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Big P's complaint

You've been on Misplaced Pages for about 48 hours; maybe you should propose actually meaningful edits to Kiwi Alejandro Camara and learn a thing or two about how Misplaced Pages is run instead of blowing off at long-time administrators like RasputinAXP. Cool your jets. -- ßίζ·קּ‼ (talk | contribs) 03:01, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

1. I have been editing the wikipedia for more than a year.

2. I wrote about 20% of the Kiwi Camara article myself, which is more than you or Rasputin can say, and have made other minor improvements to the rest of the article. This is why I was annoyed when it was deleted.

If anyone blew anyone off, it was Rasputin who deleted an article that many people spent considerable time writing, and who "blew off" the views of the large majority of those polled who wished to keep the article he deleted. Why even have a poll if it is going to be ignored? Zigzogger 22:07, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Zig, can we practice civility? Yanksox 22:17, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I think I have been. What did I say that you consider uncivil? Zigzogger 22:22, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

The previous posts rubbed off that way to me, maybe I read too quickly. Yanksox 22:23, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Well no offense taken. Now if you want to see someone going to far, see http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Big.P&oldid=53795208

I don't personally object, it's his userpage, not mine. Zigzogger 22:27, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

You went too far by reversing RasputinAXP's decision. RasputinAXP is a Misplaced Pages administrator, and that alone gives his decision more weight than yours. However, if you feel his decision was a poor one, you should contact other administrators for their opinion directly through their talk pages or even request arbitration as a last resort. You should never take matters into your own hands by restoring articles that were called to be deleted.

The article has been redeleted and protected against recreation. For more details, visit Kiwi Alejandro Camara. If you have meaningful edits to the article, go to User:SpuriousQ/Kiwi Alejandra Camara and try to improve the article there.

Also, I speak on behalf of the Misplaced Pages community when I say that everyone's hard work is respected; however, if an article is deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia, then it is best that it goes. You also mention that the majority of people voted to keep the article, but if you actually read the comments, most "keepers" really wanted an article that was about the controversy, and not about Kiwi Camara. An article about the controversy has to be different from an article about the person, so a deletion would go along with those votes. When the poll is viewed in that perspective, a lot less people actually supported the article.

-- ßίζ·קּ‼ (talk | contribs) 23:57, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I read your comments on RasputinAXP about your recreation of the article. I had assumed you just copy/pasted the original and saved the page, but in fact you had indeed made slight improvements. I'm sorry I did not notice them before and made that assumption.

Nonetheless, there should be a complete overhaul before you can present a draft for article recreation. -- ßίζ·קּ‼ (talk | contribs) 03:11, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Please try to remain civil

Zig, I understand you're overheated regarding the Camara article, but that's no excuse for violating WP:NPA like this. Please keep a cool head.  RasputinAXP  c 02:05, 20 May 2006 (UTC) (first warning)

Actually, that wasn't Zig's original statement, if you go to Big P's talk page, that is some that HE said. Yanksox 02:07, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

That really doesn't matter. I never added that to a public article talk page. That's on my user talk page, at my own discretion; not to mention, I took it off too. -- ßίζ·קּ‼ (talk | contribs) 02:55, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Your talk page isn't yours, it belongs to Misplaced Pages. You need to show more discrection. Yanksox 02:56, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I took it off my talk page before Zigzogger decided to advertise it on the article's talk page. This means that he purposely wanted to defame me even as the wrong was already corrected. He has perfect motive to do so because we have conflicting opinions about the legitimacy of the article. That fits under a violation of WP:NPA. -- ßίζ·קּ‼ (talk | contribs) 03:04, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

You're both wrong. Big P, posting that in the first place wasn't very civil, nor was Zig being civil in posting it to the talk page. I think both of you need to take a large step back and away from the page.  RasputinAXP  c 14:11, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I know it was uncivil, that's precisely why I took it off of my page. I acknowledged that already by referring to it in my previous message as:

the wrong was already corrected.

So, Rasputin, you aren't stating anything that we already didn't know.

In regards staying away, I have no problem with stepping away from the deleted page as long as it stays deleted likes it's supposed to be.

-- ßίζ·קּ‼ (talk | contribs) 23:48, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Classical liberalism

Zigzogger, please respect the other editors of Classical liberalism article and revert the redirect. There was no consensus to merge these articles. The article was created at 16:08, October 12, 2001. This article is the oldest one that I have ever worked on. How many different editors do you think have worked on this article over the years? How can unilaterally redirecting the article be appropriate? FloNight 03:25, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Stop the personal attacks

Stop quoting my "biatch" comment every chance you get. The comment has been rescinded a long time ago and bringing it up over and over again, such as on User talk:Drini, does nothing to improve the encyclopedia. Fruitless comments like "Please note that Big.P has a personal stake for some strange reason" should have nothing to do with your desire to have the Camara article recreated, and as such, I interpret such negative references to me as personal attacks. Please do not make personal attacks on other people. Misplaced Pages has a policy against personal attacks. In some cases, users who engage in personal attacks may be blocked from editing by admins or banned by the arbitration committee. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Please resolve disputes appropriately. Thank you. (second warning) -- ßίζ·קּ‼ (talk | contribs) 04:20, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Zigzogger: Please do not add obscenities to Misplaced Pages, like you did in User:Zigzogger. Injecting unnecessary swear words, racially or sexually abusive comments, or provocative pictures to articles or user pages offends many people. Misplaced Pages treats such actions as vandalism and blocks people from editing for such repeated vandalism. FloNight 05:18, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Repost of Kiwi article

It's not permitted at this web site to deface pages with {{{1}}}, either in regular text or images. If you continue to violate our policies, your account will be blocked. Jachin 06:07, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Personal attacks on User_talk:Jachin

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits are considered vandalism, and if you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the hard work of others. Thank you. Jachin 06:07, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Defacement of User_talk:Jachin

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits are considered vandalism, and if you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the hard work of others. Thank you. Jachin 06:07, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Block

I have blocked you indefinitely for your vandalism, lack of civility, inability to assume good faith and unwillingness to work with others. BrokenSegue 07:06, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

excuse me, but I have NEVER commited vandalism. it appears that someone signed up using the name zigz0gger with a "0" and vandalized pages to frame me. Please review the IP addresses of whoever comitted the vandalism, and you will see that it was not me. Zigzogger 23:18, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I just had a look at the vandalized pages. Someone created a username very close to mine, and then posted similer arguments to the ones that I was making, but did so using profanity, which you will see that I never have used.

Now who might have done such a thing? I suggest looking at "Big.P's" page. I asked him to not call those who disagree with him "biatches." I cannot think of who else would have such a vandetta against me, especially because I have not used wikipedia long. Zigzogger 23:38, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Big P's attempt to frame me and get me blocked

from 04:34 to 04:54 on may 21 Big.P was editing wikipedia, including posting on my userpage

http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/Big.P

From 04:50 - 06:54 may 21 the vandalism for which i was banned was made by someone using the username "zigz0gger" Note that NO vandalism/obsenity occured using my actual username. http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/zigz0gger

If you look at my contributions page, you see that I did not use wikipedia at all after 02:19 on may 20th, until I logged in today.

see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/Zigzogger

It seems awfully clear that Big.P created a fake user name to frame me for using obsenities and vandalism, both actions he has frequently done himself.

I would really like someone who has access to the IP addresses users post from to get to the bottom of this. There is no one else here who has a motive to defame me other than Big.P, who unlike me has a history of using obsenities on wikipedia (see above).Zigzogger 00:20, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

more evidence against Big.P

Look at this strange message posted to crzrussian's talk page, posted about 12 hours after the "zigz0gger" vandalism

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Crzrussian&oldid=54387929#Camara_AfD

The message includes this attack

"If it's any indication, your demeanor also drives me crazy- if you read anything I've placed on your talk page lately, you can see that my tone is one of consensus building, or trying to solve this problem between us, while little barbs like these from you demonstrate your lack of ability to work with others, especially those who have different opinions from you. In my months of editing on Misplaced Pages, I have never a more pompous editor who has such terrible faith in others and one who will stop at nothing to let their opinions prevail"

and concludes with a threat:

"This is your last warning. If you continue to make personal attacks, you may be blocked for disruption. I'm tired of you constantly harassing me on Misplaced Pages, directly and indirectly. I told you if you left me alone, I'd leave you alone. Please consider those words wisely."

Note that this came about because Big.P was criticized (correctly) for sockpupptry, exactly what I am accusing him of doing right now. Zigzogger 00:34, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Big.P's other vendetta against a Kiwi Camara editor who took my position

Here are some of the other obsene and/or bizzare things Big.P posted on crzrussian's page

"I am offended that you assume telling you to go to hell is something bad. My religion believes hell is a good place. Please do not make personal attacks on other people. Misplaced Pages has a policy against personal attacks. In some cases, users who engage in personal attacks may be blocked from editing by admins or banned by the arbitration committee. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Please resolve disputes appropriately. Thank you. -- "

"You seem to have a big problem with me. First, you strike down the CSD on Kiwi Alejandro Camara without even so much as contesting it on the talk page first, as if you had the authority and your opinion was the end of it. I find it highly elitist and offensive that you didn't even talk to me about the CSD and just struck it down. Then, after people without accounts made legitimate votes on the AfD, you exploit the fact that I can't afford a static IP by accusing me of sockpuppetry. Only pure malice or dirty agenda could explain shenanigans like these."

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As the description of his edits on the Camara page, Big.P wrote "crzrussian needs to know his damn place" for one edit and "this guy is full of absolute crap" for another.

(scroll to May 4 2006 in the link)]

he also wrote on crzrussian's talk page: "You keep threatening me and rubbing WP:NPA in my face, but you should realize that I'm pissed off at you because you're being incredibly stubborn about the AfD votes"

and finally he posted the following text on crzrussian's talk page on May 4th "This 'Spinning Disc of Shit' Barnstar is awarded to you because you're full of shit. See, it's spinning! Enjoy!!!"]