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On July 17th, 2013, a US Federal Judge ordered that all of the of seven lawsuit counterclaims by AAFM and Mentz could go forward to court against the former trainers: Brett King, Geoff Baring and the IABFM. The US Court order stated that AAFM and Mr. George Mentz could sue Mr. Brett King, Mr. Geoffrey Baring and IABFM individually for numerous lawsuit counts in federal court including: (1) theft (2) defamation, (3) breach of contract, (4) intentional interference with contractual relationships,(5) conspiracy, (6) copyright infringement, and (7) fraud violations of the Consumer Protection Act. <ref name=colorado>{{Citation | url = http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/colorado/codce/1:2012cv00463/131596/48 | title = Colorado Federal Court Order Lawsuit against IABFM Brett King and Geoffrey Baring| publisher = Colorado United States District Court}}.</ref> After this key decision, the case was settled. On July 17th, 2013, a US Federal Judge ordered that all of the of seven lawsuit counterclaims by AAFM and Mentz could go forward to court against the former trainers: Brett King, Geoff Baring and the IABFM. The US Court order stated that AAFM and Mr. George Mentz could sue Mr. Brett King, Mr. Geoffrey Baring and IABFM individually for numerous lawsuit counts in federal court including: (1) theft (2) defamation, (3) breach of contract, (4) intentional interference with contractual relationships,(5) conspiracy, (6) copyright infringement, and (7) fraud violations of the Consumer Protection Act. <ref name=colorado>{{Citation | url = http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/colorado/codce/1:2012cv00463/131596/48 | title = Colorado Federal Court Order Lawsuit against IABFM Brett King and Geoffrey Baring| publisher = Colorado United States District Court}}.</ref> After this key decision, the case was settled.
: A hint as to what this is related to, why I'm involved, and what steps are required from me specifically would be nice <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 09:09, 10 June 2014 (UTC) : A hint as to what this is related to, why I'm involved, and what steps are required from me specifically would be nice <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 09:09, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

== Please Help Repair the American Academy of Finanical Management Page ==

For over 5 years, the AAFM article has been consistantly destroyed by COI and NPOV spammers who are intent on destroying the AAFM global standards and removing

references to govenrment, secondary, and university sources. So much spam has been added, that even many of the veteran editors are confused into posting false information.

The problem may lie with 2 former AAFM trainers, Mr. Brett King and Mr. Baring who began a campaign against the AAFM after they quit working on behalf of AAFM in 2009.

Many attackers used SOCKpuppet accounts/names such as Snoots, Asia Lawyer, Hilton Symes Kingbr, BrettK, DickieTR, LGFCD and RJC.

Here is what the article looked like before the spam began which always included many sources and references.
2009 http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=American_Academy_of_Financial_Management&oldid=264251240
2009 http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=American_Academy_of_Financial_Management&oldid=282294330

AAFM successfully sued (King and Baring) in US Federal Court for fraud, conspiracy, theft and various other counts, and the US federal judge approved the AAFM lawsuit to go forward against the former trainers King and Baring. http://dockets.justia.com/docket/colorado/codce/1:2012cv00463/131596/ However, even 5 years later, after the former trainers were sued and the case settled, the AAFM WIKI page is packed with NPOV junk.

The AAFM article has not been updated with a single positive reference in over 5 years since the offshore attacks begain.

To make things clear, here are dozens of reliable sources that have been repeatedly removed from the article in the last 5 years.

== Mainstream Media has positively covered the AAFM for over a decade, here are examples: ==

1.Government Recognition - Union of Arab Securities Regulators recognizes the AAFM - http://www.uasa.ae/en/newsdetails.aspx?id=99

2.eFinancialCareers News - AAFM and wealth management accreditation standards featured in media by E-Financial Careers and Dice.com NYSE Traded Company - July 2012 http://news.efinancialcareers.com/us-en/107469/thinking-of-being-a-wealth-manager-here-are-some-things-clients-want/
3.AdvisorFYI, National Underwriter News, May 2013 - AAFM accredited exam and education standards noted by the National Underwriter Summit Business Media Media. http://www.advisorfyi.com/2013/05/2940/

4.Dice.com Oct. 2, 2012 - News Article Recognizes AAFM Accredited Certification Standards http://news.efinancialcareers.com/119178/certificates-certificates-on-the-wall-which-are-most-prestigious-ones-of-all/

5.May 6, 2013 - AAFM Global Recognition from the Arab League's AABFS Arab Academy of Banking and Financial Sciences. - Diplomatic Recognition

6.National Law Journal - May 20, 2013, AAFM programs such as CWM Chartered Wealth Manager law school courses and programs featured in this article http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1202600579983&slreturn=20130509171107

7.India Government Skills Council - AAFM Certification Recognized by Financial Regulators & Counts for Investment Adivsor Recognition
http://www.nism.ac.in/index.php/announcement/316-nism-accredited-certifications-for-investment-advisers

8. Department of Labor Websites which show the AAFM education and assessment requirements http://www.careeronestop.org/educationtraining/find/certification-finder.aspx?keyword=chartered wealth manager&direct=0&certid=7915-B

== Accredited Education ==

1.AAFM sponsors an accredited law school graduate program: See: http://www.llmprogram.org/ Students who take the graduate master of laws courses can become eligible for AAFM cerification. See law school course and exam requirements http://mastersinlaw.tjsl.edu/masters-in-law/certifications/

2.AAFM recognizes over 1000 Accredited Business Schools since 2003. See Press Release Where the USA-AACSB Accreditation Agency recognizes the relationship. http://web.archive.org/web/20071217181507/http://www.aacsb.edu/publications/enewsline/Vol-2/Issue-4/assoc-aafm.asp "Some of the worlds best known business schools, including The London Business School, INSEAD, University of Pennsylvania, Harvard University, Yale University, Columbia University, EDHEC Business School, Warwick Business School, and University of Toronto are among the more than 1000 business schools in over 37 countries accredited by AACSB. Click here for a complete list of accredited institutions: Accredited Institutions http://www.aacsb.edu/accreditation/accreditedmembers.asp . Taken from http://www.aacsb.edu/media/faq.asp

3.Since 2004, AAFM has direct legal recognition of the US Department of Education recognized ACBSP Accreditation Council for Business Schools and Programs. This accredited standards agreement allows for accredited courses and exams to operate as a path to certification. http://www.acbsp.org/download.php?sid=10 ?

== Wall Street Journal - 3 AAFM WSJ References ==

Spammers continue to corrupt the AAFM page with information about the WSJ Wall Street Journal.

However, the WSJ has 3 different article references about AAFM. All 3 of them mention accredited education and assessment as a path to AAFM certification. Thus, if editors want to discuss the AAFM requirements for certifcation, they should read what the government and FINRA says.

Wall Street Journal recognizes AAFM Business Accreditation Standards with publication of certifications standards, requirements, and standards showing certain certifications as ] monitored. The Wall Street Journal specifies AAFM standards of using ACBSP and AACSB education which represents business schools such as Yale, Harvard, and other Business schools.

1) WSJ Notation and Reference to AAFM Accredited Education and Exams - http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/st_CREDIT1015_20101015.html The Wall Street Journal states that, certification eligiblity can be achieved from: "5 or more approved and related courses from an ] or ] accredited business school"

2) WSJ 2004 reference to AAFM and Wharton wealth management programs http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB109883075169856486

3) WSJ reference to "Accredited Education" The Wall Street Journal quotes AAFM by saying that, " the double accreditation "would signal that you've completed a double accredited degree from one of the top schools in the world. It helps show that an individual is engaged in a higher code of conduct." http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052748703927504575540582361440848

=== ] USA Regulatory Guide and AAFM's 8 Primary Designations and Requirements ===

FINRA regulates the stock brokers in the United States. Here are a few of the AAFM financial designations and their accredited education requirements that have been shown by FINRA on their guides for over a decade.

CWM Chartered Wealth Manager - FINRA Information:

http://www.finra.org/Investors/ToolsCalculators/ProfessionalDesignations/DesignationsListing/DesignationDetails/pc_CWM
CAM Chartered Asset Manager - FINRA Information:

http://www.finra.org/Investors/ToolsCalculators/ProfessionalDesignations/DesignationsListing/DesignationDetails/pc_CAM
CTEP Chartered Trust and Estate Planner - FINRA Information:

http://www.finra.org/Investors/ToolsCalculators/ProfessionalDesignations/DesignationsListing/DesignationDetails/pc_CTEP
RFS Registered Financial Specialist - FINRA Information:

http://www.finra.org/Investors/ToolsCalculators/ProfessionalDesignations/DesignationsListing/DesignationDetails/pc_RFS
CMA Chartered Market Analyst - FINRA Information:

http://www.finra.org/Investors/ToolsCalculators/ProfessionalDesignations/DesignationsListing/DesignationDetails/pc_CMA
FAD Financial Analyst Designate - FINRA Information:

http://www.finra.org/Investors/ToolsCalculators/ProfessionalDesignations/DesignationsListing/DesignationDetails/pc_CMA_or_FAD
CPM Chartered Portfolio Manager - FINRA Information:

http://www.finra.org/Investors/ToolsCalculators/ProfessionalDesignations/DesignationsListing/DesignationDetails/pc_CPM
MFP Master Financial Planner - FINRA Information:

http://www.finra.org/Investors/ToolsCalculators/ProfessionalDesignations/DesignationsListing/DesignationDetails/pc_MFP


If editors want to keep the == legal action == stuff, then they should add Judicial Orders and information below for NPOV purposes.

=== Legal Action by AAFM in US Federal Court ===

Federal Court Order Approving AAFM Lawsuit to go Against Brett King and Geoff Baring in US Federal Court - On July 17th, 2013, a US Federal Judge ordered that all of the of seven lawsuit counterclaims by AAFM and Mentz could go forward to court against the former trainers: Brett King, Geoff Baring and the IABFM. The US Court order stated that AAFM and Mr. George Mentz could sue Mr. Brett King, Mr. Geoffrey Baring and IABFM individually for numerous lawsuit counts in federal court including: (1) theft (2) defamation, (3) breach of contract, (4) intentional interference with contractual relationships,(5) conspiracy, (6) copyright infringement, and (7) fraud violations of the Consumer Protection Act. After this key decision against the former Australian associates, the case was settled.
http://dockets.justia.com/docket/colorado/codce/1:2012cv00463/131596/ Mr. King and Mr. Baring have agreed in writing to retract all statements about AAFM.

=== AAFM Accredited Law School Program ===

AAFM offers a certification course in conjunction with an accredited law school. See course and exam requirements http://mastersinlaw.tjsl.edu/masters-in-law/certifications/ Graduate law school students can take these courses online as a path to AAFM certification http://llmprogram.org/aafm.html


== Declined speedy == == Declined speedy ==

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I confirm that I have requested an account on the UTRS tool. the panda ₯’

Email

Hi, I tried responding to your email, but it bounced, saying "Remote host said: 550 Mailbox quota exceeded ". --Randykitty (talk) 11:34, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm. Probably because some moron e-mailed me a couple of dozen pictures yesterday in order to prove that his block was actually a requirement. I deleted it from the server (I think), not sure how long it takes to catch up the panda ₯’ 11:46, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
Its not related to the above stuff, but I've just sent you an email. I figured this would be as good of a place as any. Cheers, TLSuda (talk) 00:24, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

PC2 RfC

Jc and I have both published closing statements at Misplaced Pages:Pending changes/Request for Comment 2014/Closure‎. Is there anything you'd like to add, or have us change? - Dank (push to talk) 18:42, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

I don't like the direction it's taken whatsoever. This "if RFC in the future, there was consensus for..." is hogwash, and abdication of reading the entire discussion the panda ₯’ 21:53, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm all ears. - Dank (push to talk) 22:19, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
Don't you mean all eyes? :P—cyberpower Online 12:11, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Federal Court Order Approving AAFM Lawsuit to go Against Brett King and Geoff Baring in US Federal Court

On July 17th, 2013, a US Federal Judge ordered that all of the of seven lawsuit counterclaims by AAFM and Mentz could go forward to court against the former trainers: Brett King, Geoff Baring and the IABFM. The US Court order stated that AAFM and Mr. George Mentz could sue Mr. Brett King, Mr. Geoffrey Baring and IABFM individually for numerous lawsuit counts in federal court including: (1) theft (2) defamation, (3) breach of contract, (4) intentional interference with contractual relationships,(5) conspiracy, (6) copyright infringement, and (7) fraud violations of the Consumer Protection Act. After this key decision, the case was settled.

A hint as to what this is related to, why I'm involved, and what steps are required from me specifically would be nice the panda ₯’ 09:09, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Declined speedy

Thanks. I wasn't really sure there, but I took a stab at it. I don't usually go out on limbs like that with speedies. United States Man (talk) 00:43, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

While it's true he has no real clue, the first step is to discuss - like I started to do - and not to delete heavy-handedly :-) the panda ₯’ 09:08, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

DeadSend4...

... has been loosed upon the world again. I read your message there as suggesting you'd be okay with that, but thought I'd better let you know. Yunshui  10:33, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

I would say you read my statement properly :-) That said, looking at it now, it's somewhat convoluted - maybe intentionally. the panda ₯’ 10:46, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
Well, far be it from us to avoid not stating the opposite of a clear explanation of what we don't intend to not leave undone... Yunshui  10:50, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
It would be undoubtedly an inssue to do that which, in doing, would less-than-doubtfully end up being done the panda ɛˢˡ” 12:01, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Useitorloseit

I was replying to Useitorloseit's "It doesn't make sense" section and edit-conflicted with his newer section and you locking his page (good call!). I still posted my response, plus added a further note. If you think my comment could lead to Bad Things, feel free to delete it. I think they need some nudging in a different direction and some ideas on what next, so left something. Hoping for the best ... Ravensfire (talk) 23:04, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Very extensive comments that hit the nail on the head. They'll need to realize that in order to get a topic ban rescinded they will need to:
  1. wait a significant period of time (usually 6 months)
  2. show extensive positive edits elsewhere on the project
  3. show that they can keep their cool, and not break any of the rules that led to the topic ban
You've put them in the right direction - and I hope they listen the panda ₯’ 23:29, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

World's largest municipalities by population and the block

I just saw the BsBsBs block. I'm just wondering if this post was appropriate. It seemed like a BRD case, but I don't know what to do now. Guidance please. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:58, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

I think Zanhe's reply there to you hit the nail on the head. This appears to be one of those situations where someone tried to get their way, failed, so created a new - similar - article and tried to own it. I expect there to be little salvageable, and there are a lot of frayed nerves over there right now the panda ₯’ 11:20, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Fair enough. Cheers. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:25, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
  1. Colorado Federal Court Order Lawsuit against IABFM Brett King and Geoffrey Baring, Colorado United States District Court.
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