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Does misrepresentation of undoubtedly reliable sources fall under WP:FAKE?

So I'm probably in way over my head here, but I feel like I really have nothing to lose.

The short version of the background is that I am trying to make helpful contributions to an ongoing Arbcom case, and as part of that I've taken a more detailed look at one of the related articles. I think I can make a convincing case that in several places, statements are made and then cited with a source that would generally be considered very reliable, but the source does not actually evidence the statement. I further think I can show that the lede of the article in question further distorts those statements in summarizing them, in order to push a biased POV. (Once that's established, then I guess I have to go through diffs and actually blame people properly in the Evidence section.)

Questions:

1. Is WP:FAKE the appropriate policy to cite here? Or exactly what should I be referencing?

2. Offering the necessary analysis is thoroughly impossible within the normal space limitations for an evidence statement - part of the problem is that long articles are used to support short claims, and there is a lot of nuance and subtle distinction in what is being said. I'm likely going to need a paragraph each on perhaps dozens of citations (not sure yet, but it's a long article) and I don't imagine that I can just select a couple and expect to be taken at my word that they're representative.

So. Do I email Arbcom with all of this? Would they read it? Anything else I can do? Absolutely any helpful suggestion would be appreciated.

76.64.35.209 (talk) 08:44, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Mathematic equations

Question from User:Cyrusrobati who had problems posting on this page:

i do have new equations in mathematics as well as some 'corrections' to be made in wikipedia pages with regard to mathematics and physics. how can i do it? User:Cyrusrobati talk 03:25, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

~ Anastasia (talk) 03:25, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Cyrusrobati. Please read Help:Displaying a formula, which I hope will be useful to you. If by "new equations" and "corrections", you mean equations and other things that you have discovered, please be aware that Misplaced Pages does not publish original research, but instead only summarizes what has already been published in independent, reliable sources. Please also feel free to ask follow-up questions, as this can be a complex area of editing. Cullen Let's discuss it 05:00, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

help writing an entry for my late father

Hi! I tried to create an entry for my late father and someone has since removed most or much of it for "horrendous BLP violations".

The entry is at https://en.wikipedia.org/Carl_Esser and it looks like Hullaballo Wolfowitz made the major edit on August 2, 2014 https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Carl_Esser&direction=next&oldid=607937000

I'm wondering if you would provide some guidance here, or if I should try to contact Hullabaloo directly. Thanks so much and let me know if you have any questions.

Sky Esser (talk) 02:20, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

I agree completely with Hullaballoo Wolfowitz in this matter. The article does not say that your father is dead, so our strict policy on biographies of living people applies. Even if you offer evidence of your father's death, it is highly unlikely that this content is appropriate for an encyclopedia. You state that your father was a pornographer, a drug addict and a convicted criminal. Only if several reliable independent sources gave significant coverage to his involvement in these activities would this content be appropriate. To simplify, he would need to be a famous pornographer like Harry Reems, a famous drug addict like William Burroughs, or a famous criminal like Charles Manson to be discussed in an encyclopedia this way. Please rethink your approach. Cullen Let's discuss it 03:24, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi Sky Esser. In addition to advice Cullen328 posted above, I recommend that you read through both the "Misplaced Pages plain and simple conflict of interest guide" and "Advice for editors who may have a conflict of interest". Since you've stated above that Carl Esser is your father, you have what is called a conflict of interest (COI). Although COI editing is not expressly forbidden on Misplaced Pages, it can be pretty tricky to do and there specific policies that you should familiarize yourself with. I also suggest you read through Misplaced Pages's rules regarding biographies of living people as well as "reliable sources" and "verifiability" . A lot of what was removed by Hullaballoo Wolfowitz may be true, but on Misplaced Pages verifiability takes priority over truth. Almost all of the sources cited as references in your father's article are not considered to be reliable sources in Misplaced Pages's eyes per WP:BLP#Reliable sources so, even without the material that was deleted, the article still has some serious problems that are going to be really hard to overcome unless some better sources are found to establish your father's notability for inclusion in Misplaced Pages. Finally, you mentioned in your question that your father has passed away. Perhaps you are trying to honor him by improving his Misplaced Pages article? While that is entirely understandable, please be advised that Misplaced Pages articles are not intended to be memorial pages for friends or family members, etc. and that relevant Misplaced Pages policies still need to be satisfied regardless. - Marchjuly (talk) 05:07, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Looking at the deleted content, this seems more to be a case of WP:ANTIMEMORIAL (red link intended). Cullen Let's discuss it 05:20, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

@Cullen328: Perhaps you're right. Maybe I assumed too much good faith and should have added that Misplaced Pages articles are also not intended to be attack pages. - Marchjuly (talk) 05:57, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Can I request an unblock for another user?

A user was blocked (including having his talk page access revoked). I have reason to believe he was not notified as required by discretionary sanctions for the ban upon which he was blocked. Can I request an unblock on his behalf with the {{unblock}} template? --Obsidi (talk) 02:11, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to Teahouse Obsidi! Generally, you could start a discussion with the blocking admin. However if the user has his or her talk page access revoked then it is best for the user to utilize the Unblock Ticket Request System to request an unblock, the system involves admins who would review a unblock request similar to the {{unblock}} template. In this case you list ban, for bans a user may request a ban to be overturned/appealed by using the Ban Appeals Subcommittee, this is where the banned user will email an appeal on the ban/restriction to the committee, it will then by reviewed by the members and either approve or decline the appeal. ///EuroCarGT 02:19, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

I know the user can appeal himself through the Unblock Ticket Request System. And I know I can talk to the admin himself and see if I can get him to reverse his own block/ban. In this case it was a topic ban combined with a block so the Ban Appeals Subcommittee does not work (they only handle site bans). My question isn't so much to do with what the user can do (I know he can use the WP:UTRS), my question is about my own actions. Is the {{unblock}} template exclusively for the user to appeal their own ban or can it be used by others (or is that against some rule somewhere)? --Obsidi (talk) 02:24, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Now things are getting more clearer. Firstly, the blocked user should be the one requesting the unblock either via email, UTRS or the unblock template. Secondly remember a topic ban is set either by community consensus or by proposal of the Arbitration Committee. If the user wants the topic ban lifted should a discussion be initiated gathering community consensus for the ban to be dropped. ///EuroCarGT 02:34, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Page Time Out?

I am in the process of creating an article and twice it looked like the session timed out. I try to save my page but some of the info is lost. Sometimes I am researching my written material that I am going to enter and not typing. Is there a timeout period? Nancyprancy12 (talk) 00:03, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi @Nancyprancy12: Welcome to the Teahouse, and sorry to hear about the troubles! I've never had any problems with time outs, but if it's a recurring problem for you, I can think of a few solutions. You may wish to do your editing in another text editor (Google Drive, Microsoft Word, OpenOffice, WordPad, etc.) and save your work locally as you go until you're ready to save an edit. I also recommend Lazarus, which is a great browser extension I use that backs up form data as I enter it - perfect for when you accidentally lose or navigate away from an online form you're filling out. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 00:09, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Nancyprancy12. Sometimes, I can recover "lost" work by backing up to the previous page. If I am working on something complex, I will often use a sandbox page, saving frequently, and then copy and paste it when finished. This is acceptable if just one editor works on the sandbox content. Cullen Let's discuss it 00:29, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Handling the gargantuan amount of stub types

Hello Teahouse! Is there any simpler way to find a good stub type for an article other than manually searching for the most appropriate one in this gigantic list of stub types (and sub-pages)? Does a script for simplifying stub sorting exist? Cheers! ► LowLevel 00:01, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

@LowLevel73: I've always found it easiest to look at similarly situated topics both to find the appropriate categories and the correct stub tags, by looking at the categories found. If I know a similarly situated topic I just go there and see what categories it's in, and if I don't, I simply do a Google search. For example, were I writing an article on, say, a British saxophonist, I might Google just that with a limiter: <"british saxophonist" site:en.wikipedia.org> (which returns 77 pages). Then open a few in tabs to see the categories looking for the best narrow fit and look at that category → open a few articles at random in new tabs, and I almost always find the correct stub tag (and if there are no stubs, then → to a few page history, and look at the earliest revisions). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:42, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

How do I create a robot?

I saw someone who had made a robot account and wish to make one as well. Please tell me how to do it! Thanks! HTMLoveit (talk) 23:00, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi there. You should find the page WP:BOT useful as it links to all the relevant pages about bots on Misplaced Pages. In short, you need a good reason to need a bot to do something, then you need to gain approval for the running of your bot. It's quite a big topic - the page I linked explains the process better than I can :) Sam Walton (talk) 23:04, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse, HTMLoveit. Please begin by reading our overview page on bots. There, you will find links to bot policy, the approval procedure for bots, and so on. All bots operating on Misplaced Pages must meet certain standards, must be approved, and must be doing useful work to improve the encyclopedia. Good luck! Cullen Let's discuss it 23:10, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

A question about Oldtown Folks

I've been doing some work at this article. I successfully had it moved from an incorrectly stylized title ("Old Town Folks") to the current correct title. I also cleaned up some tags. Recently, another new editor has come along and added a VERY long plot summary, that seems quite outsized for the overall size of the article. I tried removing it to discuss it at the talkpage, but (s)he just readded it without discussing it at talk. Could someone have a look at the history of the page, the current state of the article, and the short discussion I opened at the talkpage, and advise me on how to proceed? It appears the user is working in good faith, but they haven't responded, even after I left a message at THEIR talkpage, so I'm at a bit of a loss. Hallward's Ghost 21:31, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Hallward's Ghost. Please read How to write a plot summary, and encourage the other editor to do so as well. In brief, a plot summary should be concise, and should not overwhelm the other referenced content about the novel (or other fictional work). Cullen Let's discuss it 23:18, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

I've been to this page before--I just thought maybe another editor's input with that person who's placing the long plot summary might be more useful than just me trying to get him/her to respond. Hallward's Ghost 00:39, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Theirry Henry

In the article it shows that he scored one goal in four appearances for Arsenal while on loan with them, but this goal was in a cup match and it says goals for the domestic league only so should this be changed or not? Zafiraman (talk) 20:37, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

I would recommend that you continue the discussion you started on the talk page Information on WP is based on reliable sources. If you have a good source for the information you speak of then go ahead and make the correction and cite the source. Or continue the discussion on the article's talk page whichever you prefer. Cheers!-- — Keithbob • Talk • 21:59, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

REALLY HELP

I am (user:Halias 23), on another account, I could not recover my password, I really need help to to regain my old account, thanks (user:ELreydeEspana) 12:27 1 November (UTC)

Hello Halias 23. I am afraid that the account Halias 23 did not register an email address. As far as I know, that means that there is no way to recover that account if the password is lost. I'm afraid you'll just have to abandon it and use your new account. There's nothing to stop you editing the user page User:Halias 23 to tell people that the new account is you. --ColinFine (talk) 18:36, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

@ColinFine: Iam fucked, thanks for your help, try sending an email to wikipedia, could you tell me how to change my username, thanks (user:ELreydeEspana) 12:51 1 November (UTC)

Hi Halias, if you want to change your new username you can do that at Misplaced Pages:Changing username, but first read my answer at my talk page, where you are asking the same thing simultaneously. w.carter-Talk 19:01, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Science and engineering entries

Hi, I am new to editing Misplaced Pages. I am a scientist and engineer who has been working about 30 years in various areas, and I would like some advice on how to create new wikipedia articles on new emerging topics in my areas of expertise. My approach is more from the angle of the scientist doing the research in the context of the overall field, rather than reporting the work of others from the outside. I have about 60 peer-reviewed publications and about 20 issued US patents, have had academic positions at U-Michigan, MIT, Harvard, and am currently a tenured professor at UNC Chapel Hill, so I am generally accepted in mainstream academic and commercial/industrial circles for my work. Some of the topics I want to contribute to Misplaced Pages are new inventions or discoveries, but unfortunately peer-reviewed papers tend to lag behind by several years, and patents lag by an average of 5 years or more. Open-access and traditional academic publication, though important, have their limitations and I think much of the information I wish to share would best be reported on Misplaced Pages. Mainly this is because people can benefit from having access to it now rather than having to wait several years to then have to sift through the academic papers, with their rigid formats, to find what they need. Also, Misplaced Pages articles though brief can incorporate many individual contributions in a way that peer-reviewed publications can not. Finally, Misplaced Pages is self-correcting, something that archival academic publications are woefully inadequate at doing. I want to avoid contributing anything that sounds like an advertisement, but I also want to be able to state the facts as they are, backed up by real data from verifiable sources. And I welcome criticism and input from others, as I know I am not the only person working in these areas. So my question is: can you point me to specific guidance for making contributions to Misplaced Pages along the lines described above that would help me to contribute the maximum value? Do you know of any template contributions from people in similar positions, basically people with verifiable credentials who wish to contribute in the capacity as an "expert"? I do not wish to downplay the importance of crowd-sourced wisdom, but I also know the value of the insights of a person who has professionally focused on a topic for decades. I'd rather hear the opinion of Hillary Clinton on political matters, though she may not have a reference list to support her assertions, rather than listen to my neighbor drone on about the same topics, even though he is certainly entitled to his opinion. I guess my general question is: Does Misplaced Pages have any specific mechanism to consider expert opinions when weighing the value and relevance of a contribution, assessing appropriate content, etc? thanks. Bobslab (talk) 18:01, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Bobslab. Thank you for wanting to contribute your expertise to Misplaced Pages. I am not sure, but I fear that what you want to do is not a good fit for Misplaced Pages. Every Misplaced Pages should be entirely based upon material already published in reliable sources - and most of it on secondary sources, which comment on, or analyse, or synthesise from, primary material. Original research, including synthesis of published information, is explicitly and always forbidden in Misplaced Pages articles, and material from primary sources (such as most academic papers) is limited in how it may be used. Once there are several secondary materials (eg textbooks) in a field, then an article could be written, summarising what they say. Please see the links in this paragraph for more information. --ColinFine (talk) 18:25, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse, Bobslab. We welcome your expertise, but please be aware that Misplaced Pages has a specific policy against publishing original research of any kind. As an encyclopedia, our only role is to summarize what the full range of independent, reliable sources say about a topic. In the case of scientific and technical topics, these will be articles in peer-reviewed journals, especially review articles that analyze and summarize primary research. I encourage you to develop expertise as well in how Misplaced Pages works behind the scenes. Start by reading our Five Pillars, the basic principles of Misplaced Pages, and read and study the relevant links there. Feel free to return to the Teahouse at any time. Cullen Let's discuss it 18:32, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! Your responses, in addition to being very helpful also pointed me to the NOR noticeboard, which was also helpful. So that clarifies for me the matter of contributing (as yet) unpublished work: verboten. Fair enough, and I can see the value in and need for that. Fortunately this leaves the majority of what I would still like to contribute, which involves contributing concise summaries of what is already published, by myself and others, on topics not yet treated on Misplaced Pages. Are there any guidelines that may relate specifically to contributing material where the contributor is also the author of some of the verifiable references? Bobslab (talk) 18:44, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Please read our guideline on citing your own published work, Bobslab. Though not forbidden, it should be done with caution. Open disclosure is recommended. To give a simplified example, let's say you are one of five recognized experts worldwide on a given topic. If you cite yourself 20% of the time, not a problem. If you cite yourself 90% of the time, other editors may conclude that highlighting your own work is more important to you than summarizing what the full range of reliable sources say. That's not a good perception to create. Read also about the concept of due weight. I hope this helps. Cullen Let's discuss it 20:19, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Adding an entry for a famous Taiwanese calligrapher.

I'm currently working on translating a biography about Taiwanese calligrapher Hsu Yung Chin (徐永進) and would like to add an entry for him on wikipedia. Should I just read the guidelines and add the entry or will this just be promptly removed?

Thanks in advance

61.70.60.162 (talk) 15:46, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello, anonymous user. I suggest you create an account (not essential, but advisable if you want to create a new article), and use the article wizard, which will guide you through creating the article in the Draft space. There, it will not get removed unless it has serious problems like copyright infringement. --ColinFine (talk) 18:17, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Page name

Hi , Im very in new to this and any type of computer related work if im being honest.

I set up a page for local amateur football team i run.

Ive added a fair bit of info to the page , but the page is titled "User-Mendip UTD FC" I cant work out how to get rid of the "User" before the club name ? Basic I'm sure ?? 82.132.237.119 (talk) 14:03, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello. I assume you are User:Mendip Utd FC, but were not logged in when you posted this question?

I'm afraid there are some fundamental things about Misplaced Pages that you haven't realised, so what you are trying to do is probably not possible (I'm speaking about policy, not technical matters).

• First, Misplaced Pages is not a social media site: it is an encyclopaedia. It does not contain "pages for" organisations, but articles about them. These articles are required to be entirely based upon what reliable sources, unconnected with the subject, have written about them. So if there have been articles about Mendip Utd in major newspapers, or it has been mentioned in books from reliable publishers, then there may be an article about it. If it hasn't been so mentioned, then it is impossible to write a satisfactory Misplaced Pages article about it (because there is no acceptable source for any information about it) and the subject is not notable, and no article is permitted.
• What you have inadvertently created is a user called "Mendip Utd FC", and that user's User page. A User page is intended for a user to share information about him or herself as a Misplaced Pages editor: there is more latitude allowed than for articles, but it should not contain a lot of information unconnected with Misplaced Pages, and it should certainly not contain something that purports to be an article.
• Thirdly, if there were to be an article about Mendip Utd, you are discouraged from working directly on it because your conflict of interest is likely to make it difficult for you to write sufficiently neutrally.
• Finally, the user name contravenes our rules, because Misplaced Pages user accounts are required to be individual (i.e. used by one person only), and may not have names that suggest that they belong to organisations. That account is likely to be blocked very soon.

My suggestion to you is that if you wish to edit other Misplaced Pages articles, you create a new account personal to you (I use my real name for my account, but you don't have to do that: but it must not suggest that you are editing on behalf of an organisation), and read WP:42. But unless you can find some reliable independent sources for Mendip Utd, you should give up the idea of writing about it in Misplaced Pages. --ColinFine (talk) 18:15, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) There are a number of problems here regarding User:Mendip Utd FC. You seem to be confusing a user page, which is a description of an individual Misplaced Pages editor, with an encyclopedia article. You have created an account in the name of a group, and that is against our policies. We only allow individual accounts, so please change the name of your account promptly.

A more serious problem is the question of whether or not this sports club is notable, and thereby eligible for an encyclopedia article. While fully professional leagues and teams are clearly notable, I think that it is fair to say that few non-collegiate amateur sports clubs are notable. There would need to be significant coverage of the club in independent, reliable sources that goes way beyond routine sports coverage in local newspapers. The current draft is unreferenced.

Another problem is that the draft article is written in a breezy personal style, using "we" and double exclamation points. Instead, our encyclopedia articles need to be written in a strictly factual, neutral style.

If your sports club is not truly notable, then please don't feel bad. It is difficult for a new editor to write a new article properly. I encourage you to pick another topic, and work to improve an existing article to start. Good luck to you. Cullen Let's discuss it 18:17, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

One Of the User:Anna Frodesiak Moved my Page to Drafts For Deletion

I live In Rampur, Which is located just 180 km far from the Capital Of India That's Delhi. During the 18th century there were many of the Famous Indian Wrestlers , Who Contributed a lot for Their nation's Pride, and My Great Grand Father Ustad Sohrab Khan was one of them.... and In our CIty , Their is a landmark called AKHARA SOHRAB KHAN, and each and every person living in our City Knows about that Landmark And The Person After whom The name of The Landmark was given By the Nawab OF Rampur SIR, RAZA ALI KHAN , Because of My Great GrandFather's success in Indian Wrestling And I'm Asuure you that you can Searh About The Nawab Of Rampur and many of The Interviews taken By Media Persons of Our AKHARA SOHRAB KHAN, How you Can Say that whatever I've written onto my Page Is all Hoax,,,Thats NOT good view from a good user:Anna Frodesiak, If It Was an HOAX , I would Have been scared of you that you reported my Fake HOAX page TO wkipedia Drafts ... But I'm telling the Truth... Because I was planning to Give many of the other reference related to my Topic From google books,BLOGS,Websites,My Youtube Videos Of Wrestling In our AKHARA SOHRAB KHAN and Pictures of the Books in which the whole Incidents are Quoted... Have You Ever Heard about RAZA LIBRARY , IT's Asia's Second Biggest Library please do search Google About This Library Because many of The Books are Their in RAZA LIBRARY that were written on My Great Grand Father and His Wrestling Platform AKHARA SOHRAB KHAN...]] Now What To Do, Dear Tea House? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Siddiquekhan1978 (talk • contribs) 09:39, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Anna Frodesiak replied to your post on her talk page saying that the draft can be undeleted but you need to deal with certain issues first mostly that a lot of the content seemed to be pasted from other articles like The Great Gama and from a Facebook page. I suggest that you read that response and act on what she asks you to do and the nask her to restore the draft article. Nthep (talk) 12:00, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Courtesy ping User:Anna Frodesiak. (If you mention another user in a post here you should wikilink their username so that they are properly notified of the discussion.) Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 22:03, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the ping. I would be happy to provide a copy of your draft, except for the parts which appear to be a copyright violation. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:24, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

I just submitted my first article for review

Hi Guys. It's very nice to know that I can rely on wiki experts to guide me through becoming one in the future - so good work on being there for us.

I created an article and worked on it for quite sometime to ensure all sources I cited are verifiable and submitted it for review this morning (it's now on my draft space). The article is Ed DeCosta a personal development and executive coach. I believe him to pass the notability standards as he is a published authors who received multiple recognition and reviews from sources independent from him such as an interview on WBNW (AM) Money Matters Radio Network Program, his publication review by Kirkus, interview with Stacey Alcorn of The Huffington Post and he also co-authored a book with Jack Canfield. He was also recognized by John C. Maxwell on his website. Everything is cited accordingly.

I think my opportunity now is the style of writing. I created it as neutral as I possibly can but I think I need to work more on it. I would very much appreciate it if you can give me feedback on it if you have time.

Thanks in advance. Pmanz2014 (talk) 04:07, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Pmanz2014. You can learn to write more neutrally, and need to work on developing what is often called an "encyclopedic style", or what we call the neutral point of view. Are you familiar with the old TV show Dragnet where the detective played by Jack Webb says in a deadpan voice, "Just the facts, ma'am, just the facts", when interviewing a witness? That's the style we are looking for: neutral, informative, and consistent, whether the subject is Abraham Lincoln or Adolph Hitler.

When reading your draft, we enter a world where every notable writer is a "best selling author" and everyone mentioned must be promoted, as if we were at a self-help networking session, where extra points are given for praising people you have just met. Start by stripping every single gushing superlative from your draft. Do not put quotations in italics, as quotation marks are sufficient. When you mention other people, just mention them, with a neutral description of a few words, rather than lavishing praise. This is a biography of one person, not a mega-biography of all of his friends and associates. I hope that my criticisms are not too harsh, as they are intended to be helpful, and you must learn this lesson if you are to be a productive editor here. Cullen Let's discuss it 05:18, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi Cullen,

Your feedback is very much appreciated. I really did need this kind of feedback to improve the article. Thank you so much!

Is there anything else that you think I need to work on so it'll pass the wiki standards for approval? Pmanz2014 (talk) 05:25, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Please use the technique described at WP:REFNAME to define a reference once, and reuse it several times. This will clean up clutter in the reference list. Give the full name of your references. For example, the actual title of the review, not "Kirkus Book Review". Eliminate all external links from the body of the article. Those links should be limited to internal Wikilinks. You can create an "External links" section at the end, for a handful of directly relevant external links. Links judged overtly promotional will be treated harshly. These are technical issues, while my initial comments were about a more fundamental issue. Cullen Let's discuss it 05:38, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Alright, got it - Thank you so much for the time. I really appreciate it. Pmanz2014 (talk) 05:53, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Why an article is deleted without a discussion?

Hi. I have been writing a few articles in Misplaced Pages, and I follow all the steps necessary to have appropriate articles that are relevant, and well documented. Last night I finished with a new article after hours of investigation. The page name before it was deleted was ´World Cultural Council 28th Award Ceremony´ , and I wrote similar articles for the 29th award ceremony, the 30th, and the 31st. I plan to write pages for all the award ceremonies in English and Spanish. When I visited the page that I wrote this morning, I found shocking to see a message stating that the page was deleted because of ´A7: Article about an organized event (tour, function, meeting, party, etc.), which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject)´.

Now, in my perspective, I feel just deleting pages without a clear reason is not an educational experience for a new editor like me. Before I try to negotiate with an administrator that has the power of deleting pages with a press of a button without reasons, I´d like to explore the Teahouse and perhaps someone can let me know why the article that was written is not up to Misplaced Pages standards. I think a discussion before deleting a page may be enlightening, not only for me, but for others that can try to write similar pages. In my perspective again, the page is relevant and significant for the fields of science, arts and education.

Fortunately, I still have my sandbox with the page I was writing last night. Can someone please provide some orientation on the right way of fixing the article?

The sandbox: User:Healing_Mandala/sandbox

Thanks in advance.

Healing Mandala (talk) 20:11, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Healing Mandala, I think the problem is what is the notability of the award ceremony itself? There's no doubt that the World Cultural Council is notable and the awards given out at the ceremonies are notable, but why are the ceremonies themselves notable? By creating the article that is what you are claiming - that the event has a notability that is independent of the organisation arranging it and the awards given at it. From the content of the article on the 31st ceremony I'm not sure the notability threshold is met for the ceremonies. Nthep (talk) 21:26, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Nthep for your response. I appreciate you are providing me some light on the matter. Let us reflect more on the notability of the award ceremonies themselves, if that's ok, so that I get a better picture. I'll make a comparison of award ceremonies. For example, why the Latin Grammy Awards of 2002, 2010 Palanca Awards, 2012 Nobel Peace Prize, 2012 Dally M Awards or any other notable in comparison to the one I wrote? Shall I change the titles so that the focus is not on the ceremony, but rather on the awards for a specific year? (i.e. Change 'World Cultural Council 28th Award Ceremony' to '2011 World Cultural Council Awards'? I prefer to understand the picture completely instead of continue writing articles that can be deleted all together. I thank you once more for your patience. Your responses will help me to become a better contributor. Healing Mandala (talk) 22:08, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

It just occurred to me that changing the title to '2011 World Cultural Council Awards', the article can shift to add more information to enrich the yearly data by providing how/when the laureates where selected, how the venue for the award ceremony was selected, establish all events prior to the award ceremony, and the award ceremony itself. Therefore, the 'World Cultural Council 28th Award Ceremony' becomes a section of the '2011 World Cultural Council Awards'. What do you think about this change of paradigm? Healing Mandala (talk) 23:15, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Healing Mandala: what title you use for the article is not the point. The question is, have several reliable sources, independent of the council, the winners, Tartu University etc written at length about this particular ceremony? This seems unlikely, (unless for example there was some major controversy that arose there). Looking at your sandbox, I'm dubious that any of the seven references meets this criterion. The first is not independent, the second and third are brief articles, and the other four are links to speeches delivered at the ceremony. These together establish that the event took place, and the named people were given awards: it does not establish that the ceremony is notable in Misplaced Pages's sense.

As for the other awards you cite: apart from the 2012 Nobel Peace Prize, all the articles are of dubious notability, and all are now tagged as such. Misplaced Pages has four million articles, and many are substandard; but this is not a reason to accept further substandard articles: see the essay wp:other stuff exists. --ColinFine (talk) 23:58, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you ColinFine for the clear explanation. I was not intending to disqualify the random examples that I cited in the discussion! Sorry to read I may have put into trouble those articles. In the same way, I was intending to do my best to make a case for the articles I wrote regarding the ceremonies. I think I now have a better understanding of what notability means for an event. Meaning that having notable people, united by notable institutions, and receiving notable awards, does not make the event notable. As I understood, in order to have a notable event, at least a reputable third party source should provide a lengthy document that describes it. Are the ceremonies that I wrote about better suited for Wikinews then? Thanks again. Healing Mandala (talk) 03:56, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Don't worry about those other articles, Healing Mandala: I have tagged them as lacking references, but not actually proposed them for deletion (out of laziness as much as anything else). Either somebody will improve them, or somebody will propose they be deleted, or they will sit there with the tags drawing readers' attention to the fact that they are poor articles. Your pointing to them has allowed me to improve Misplaced Pages, so don't be upset.

As you say, it is whether people have written about the subject that matters, not who was involved. The ceremony could be briefly mentioned (perhaps in a table with the other years) in the World Cultural Council article. I don't know Wikinews well enough to know whether it belongs in there. --~@ColinFine (talk)

Proposed article might be deleted

My article on film company Walsh Bros myth be deleted as it has most the same information as that of the founder of Walsh Bros namely John Walsh (filmmaker). Should I start again from scratch or can this be allowed as much of the information is relevant to both articles? Thank you. RichardRichardLyons74 (talk) 19:43, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, RichardLyons74. The debate about the deletion of your article is taking place at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Walsh Bros, and that is where discussion of that specific article should take place.

In general, if two very closely related topics can be dealt with in a single article, then that is preferable. So, if one person is the dominant figure in relatively small company, then there is no reason to have articles about both the person and the company. Only when the single article becomes excessively long would a split into two articles become justified. That does not seem to be applicable in this case. Cullen Let's discuss it 05:54, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Submitting 2nd Article

A total newbie question, but probably an easy answer. I working on my first new article. I wrote it in my sandbox and then pushed the button to submit it, and am now in the period where I'm waiting for the article to be accepted. In the intervening time I may want to write another new article, but haven't figured out how to do so.

I tried to move my sandbox, but didn't have permission since I'm new. Do I have options for multiple sandboxes or am I doing things the hard way and I should be submitting them a different way.

Thanks! Rudy Geek (talk) 17:33, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Rudy Geek. You can create additional sandbox pages. Open your current sandbox, and place a slash "/" at the end of the URL, followed by a nickname for your draft. It could be ""Article2" or any brief reminder. Hit "enter" and you will get a message that the page doesn't exist, with a choice to create the page. Create it, and you will see a blank edit screen ready to go. Cullen Let's discuss it 17:50, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

I took a look at your first submission, Rudy Geek, and have some suggestions. Your references currently consist of bare URLs. Please read Referencing for beginners, and fill out those references. The second reference is to a Misplaced Pages article listing members of the National Academy of Engineering. We never use one Misplaced Pages article as reference for another Misplaced Pages article. We don't use user-edited websites as references. Instead, find his listing on the academy's website and use that as a reference. Best to spend some time on the current draft. Cullen Let's discuss it 18:06, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Place names

Please help: this concerns an article on Kotwa. The one that comes up is Kotwa, India and when you open the 'disambiguation' then you see that there is Kotwa, Zimbabwe. How can I make sure that Kotwa, Zimbabwe comes up straight away as well? I do not mind change the article to read straight away as Kotwa - Zimbabwe. This problem really affects Facebook users because if you put your hometown as Kotwa it will take people to Kotwa India when it is supposed to be Kotwa Zimbabwe Mubrang (talk) 17:01, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Mubrang. The issue you raise is discussed in a subsection of our guideline about disambiguation at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. In this case, we have two small towns or cities. According to our article, the town in India has over 12,000 people. Population is not given in our article, but a Google search tells me the town in Zimbabwe has a population just over 4,000 people. On the other hand, it is a governmental and commercial center. It would take some careful study, but one solution is for searches for "Kotwa" to lead to the disambiguation page rather than either of the town articles.

As for the Facebook problem, that is something we have no control over. We do not structure the encyclopedia to favor Facebook users, either in India or Zimbabwe. Cullen Let's discuss it 17:42, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Mubrang. As Cullen pointed out, we have two articles for Kotwa – "Kotwa, Zimbabwe" and "Kotwa, India". So we have to choose which article to display when someone types only "Kotwa". Currently we display the article about India, but we also try to make it easy to find the other article. That is the reason for the hatnote at the top of the India article.

Anyway, about your question, to make sure that people from Facebook go immediately to our article on "Kotwa, Zimbabwe", the best way is to write "Kotwa, Zimbabwe" on Facebook. If they type that, they will go immediately to the right article.

For people who type simply "Kotwa", I edited the hatnote in "Kotwa, India" so that now readers can display the "Kotwa, Zimbabwe" article with 1 click, without having to look at the disambiguation page. This should be at least a little more convenient. – Margin1522 (talk) 06:00, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

How to create a Multiple Header Sandbox

Hi there! My question is: How to create a Multiple Header Sandbox? I want to create a multiple header Sandbox at My Bengali Wikipeida User Page:

Would you please, let me to know how? Or just create at my Bengali Misplaced Pages User page and oblige thereby. --- Sufidisciple (talk) 11:26, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi Sufidisciple. What do you mean by a Multiple Header Sandbox? PrimeHunter (talk) 12:00, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

PrimeHunter, Thanks for your response. Actually I have one Multiple header Sandbox in my English Wiki User likewise this: ] - - - Sufidisciple (talk) 14:02, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

@Sufidisciple: User:Sufidisciple/sandbox transcludes User:Technical 13/SandBox/DraftHeader. If you want all the current functionality then you would have to copy and adapt several pages to the Bengali Misplaced Pages. The part creating links to your subpages is {{:Special:PrefixIndex/User:{{{1|{{#titleparts:{{BASEPAGENAMEE}}|1}}}}}}}. Is that enough? PrimeHunter (talk) 23:16, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

PrimeHunter Obliged for your kind reply and for the given syntax but there is difference. After applying the syntax using --- BASEPAGENAMEE}}|1 / BASEPAGENAMEE}}|2 / BASEPAGENAMEE}}|3 --- it is showing 3 links of my sandbox. All those 3 are going to same page. I need 3 different links of sandbox 1, sandbox 2, sandbox3. Those should go to 3 different sandbox of an individual user. It will help me to develop 3 articles simultenusly in three different different sandbox as of my own. Sample: My Eng.Misplaced Pages sendbox is the sample and I need same at My Bengali Misplaced Pages User Sandbox Is this your email ID or please, provide me your email, I would like to send you a sample snapshot. Please, try to provide me and oblige thereby. --- Sufidisciple (talk) 08:11, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Page deletion

My page was deleted on the basis of copyright infringement, however, I am the administrator of the website where I got the content from. I was just creating a page for my organization. Kindly assist [[User:Mark Muiruri|Mark Muiruri]] (talk) 08:38, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Hello Mark Muiruri. Unfortunately, Wiikipedia can't accept text that is copied from organizations' websites. All text that is added to the encyclopedia is immediately licensed for anyone in the world to use, change and even sell. The text on your website was written by someone, and is the property of that person, or the organization if they hold the license to it. It's possible for the copyright holder to legally donate the text to Misplaced Pages (see Misplaced Pages:Donating copyrighted materials), but it's not usually worthwhile, since the text is often designed to promote the organization, which is not what encyclopedia articles are about. It's quicker to write a short, proper encyclopedia article, including citations to independent news reports, magazine articles, etc, about the organization to show that it is notable and to verify the information. —Anne Delong (talk) 12:59, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

But please read, and follow, our guidance on conflict of interest before trying to recreate a page about a subject where you are the administrator of the website. - Arjayay (talk) 18:34, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Where to submit a link/article suggestion for a specific page

https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Awards_and_prizes

This page links from https://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_awards_and_nominations_received_by_Carniv%C3%A0le Carnivale received awards from The Women's Image Network http://thewinawards.com.

https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Awards_and_prizes has "Featured article, list and/or topic candidates" and "Featured article candidate" and "Featured list candidate" spaces where I could suggest this awards show, http://thewinawards.com. It's been around 16 years.

But this may not be an appropriate place, I'm overwhelmed by the Wiki rules. https://en.wikipedia.org/Category:Awards this could be another appropriate place, but I think it's only existing pages. Sedaray (talk) 08:30, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Can I post an article on a band that had a top 5 hit record in Perth WA in 1969?

In 1969 I was in a band in Perth Western Australia that had a record of an original song that reached #4 in the local Top 40 charts. It was given massive radio airplay at the time, and the record is still played in Perth on ABC radio and on a number of community radio stations. I have copies of the many newspaper and magazine articles that were published about the band and the record at the time to use as source references. An article on this subject would be of interest to people who remember the song from that era, and also to younger people who hear it played now. Can I post an article on this subject, or must it be posted by someone not connected with the band? 101.173.85.70 (talk) 05:17, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Internet User 101.173.85.70. I highly recommend that you create a Misplaced Pages account if you plan to work on this article. That will facilitate communication and collaboration with other editors. Please begin by reading WP:NMUSIC which is our notability guideline covering musical topics, such as songs and bands. If you truly believe that either the song or the band meet that guideline, then please proceed.

Your final sentence indicates that you are aware of a possible conflict of interest. Yes, this is a potential problem, but if you are careful, you can avoid this. You should not try to write an article in our main encyclopedia space. Instead, I recommend that you write your article through our Articles for Creation process. More experienced editors will review your draft article for compliance with our policies and guidelines, and if it is approved through that process, no one will raise the conflict of interest issue. Please be aware that this is a slow process with a long backlog.

The copies of newspaper and magazine articles you have are potentially excellent sources. Especially useful would be any articles published in Eastern Australia or in other countries, as they would help show broader than local notability. Those from highly reputable publications are better. Those that provide in-depth coverage are better than passing mentions. If any are available online, that is good but not necessary. Sometimes Googling a distinctive sentence from the source unearths an archived copy online.

As you develop your draft, please feel free to return to the Teahouse with additional questions. We will be happy to assist. Cullen Let's discuss it 06:29, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Just to add, User:Cullen328 unfortunately mentions something here called "Eastern Australia", when of course no such thing exists. Instead, I believe he means that any press coverage from regions outside Western Australia, for example press coverage in Queensland, New South Wales or Victoria, would be much more valuable in proving notability than more coverage in Western Australia. I'm sure that press coverage in the Northern Territory would be just as good. And of course, press coverage overseas would be even better. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 01:40, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

My deepest apologies to all Australians, and to you, Demiurge1000, for using a sloppy Americanism. I should have written "from other states of Australia", but at least I didn't mention "provinces". Cullen Let's discuss it 23:33, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Teahouse people. I will do as you suggest. 101.173.255.239 (talk) 04:54, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Doing a rollback

Hello Teahouse! Long story short:

1. A few weeks ago, an editor with a COI tried to add big chunks of promotional contents to an article (original research, lots of references to the subject to promote, etc.). Their edits were reverted and the editor was blocked.
2. After a few days, a new editor popped up and tried again to add almost the same stuff.
3. Today, after editing the article to clean it up, I realized that it would be simpler to do a rollback to a previous, clean version and build from there.

My question is: can someone who has rollback privileges do a rollback? The article is Street marketing and the clean version that existed before all the COI edits is this one. Cheers! ► LowLevel 12:55, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi LowLevel. I haven't examined the content of the edits but anyone can revert to an earlier version in the page history. See Help:Reverting#Manual reverting. Rollback is a fast way to revert the last user's consecutive edits to the page. Rollback wouldn't work here when different editors have edited after the version you want to revert to. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:11, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Hello PrimeHunter, thanks for the clarification. I was erroneously under the impression that reverting to any earlier version required a special user permission. Thanks! ► LowLevel 14:39, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Can I upload the image or not

I am making an article of 2015 European Youth Olympic Winter Festival. I need the logo for the infobox and found it available for download in the official website. I know that it is copyrighted, but I am unsure that I can upload it to Misplaced Pages with non free logo tag. Can anyone tell me whether it is okay to upload it or not? Please explain it because it maybe useful for me in future uploading. Thanks. Griff88 (talk) 06:25, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to Teahouse Griff88! You are correct. You can upload the logo to Misplaced Pages under a non-free image, however the use of the image must be in line with the criteria's listed at Misplaced Pages:Non-free content criteria. When uploading the image it must include a rationale to each article the image is used on. Remember the image uploaded must be sized in the low area as stated at WP:IMAGERES. ///EuroCarGT 06:32, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Another problem is the resolution of the logo is quite big (789x831), does it mean that I should upload with the original file, then size it to a smaller size to use with the infobox of the page? Griff88 (talk) 08:14, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes (Oh my...I misread that) No. On Average the non free image should be about 400px and no larger. However be sure the rationale is complete and nothing is "NA" or left blank. A link to the article the images is being used is also required with the rationale.--Mark Miller (talk) 08:31, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Hello Griff88. If I'm interpreting correctly the guideline at WP:IMAGERES, you should not upload on the Misplaced Pages servers the image at its full original size (789x831) and then showing a smaller version in the infobox but, instead, you should upload an already resized version of the image. If you upload a too big non-free image, it will be automatically resized by a bot within 24 hours, but I suggest to you to upload directly a resized version. Cheers! ► LowLevel 09:53, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Alright then. Thanks for the help Griff88 (talk) 12:21, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Upload a smaller image you have reduced first using an external program like GIMP (its a free program many editors use for this purpose).--Mark Miller (talk) 21:15, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Technical: Could not figure out how to edit references

There are (two) broken links in the references in the Misplaced Pages article on the Washington Consensus. Links 19 and 21 both reference an article by Dani Rodrik (which is required reading for anyone wishing to learn about the Washington Consensus). In fact both are references to an unpublished draft which should be replaced by references to the published article. Google Scholar provides the correct reference as well as a link to a downloadable copy Rodrik, Dani. "Goodbye Washington consensus, hello Washington confusion? A review of the World Bank's economic growth in the 1990s: learning from a decade of reform." Journal of Economic literature 44.4 (2006): 973-987. http://faculty.washington.edu/swhiting/pols502/Rodrik_Washington_Confusion.pdf HOWEVER, I could not figure out how to edit the references to update the reference and the link. Clicking on the right after the references leads to a blank -- presumably I could add a new reference but thats not what i wanted to do. Asaduzaman (talk) 01:42, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Asaduzaman. I fixed the problem for you. The Wikicode that creates the "References" section of an article does not contain the actual content of the references. Instead, it includes a reference template, a bit of computer code which scans the Wikicode of the body of the article, looking for properly formatted and tagged inline references. So, the actual content of a given reference (author, title, publication, date, page number, and so on) is in the code for the body of the article, in the exact location where the reference is intended to appear. So, I searched them out, removed the old URL and replaced each occurrance with the URL you provided. Things look OK to me now, but please check my work. Cullen Let's discuss it 04:46, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

can registered user review new articles ? How ?

can a registered user of wikipedia review a newly submitted article(s), if it was not created by the user ?

where is information about how to do so ?

thank you Publico2020 (talk) 00:48, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi Publico2020, welcome to the Teahouse and yes you can review newly created article if you are a registered user. You can use Misplaced Pages:Page Curation to do so. Also you can access the log of newly created articles here. When reviewing new pages you must strictly adhere to Misplaced Pages policy WP:CSD. Cheers!--Chamith (talk) 10:19, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Image Public Domain Question

I would like to know if the public domain status for this image is definite. File:WestBroadway_DorchesterSt.jpg A few weeks ago I inquired and was told that it did not have a date or author so public domain was questionable. Now I see that it is in public domain because it is a copy of a work of art. Would you please explain? Thanks. Kerry 50.187.42.92 (talk) 22:33, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Kerry, the WikiMedia Foundation (WMF) takes the line that a photograph of an old, public domain, two-dimensional work of art does not gain it's own copyright. This is based on a 1999 US court decision, Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp. where it was decided that copyright did not subsist as they were simply slavish copies of the works of art represented. However for this to apply the work of art copied/photographed has to be a public domain item in the first place. As File:WestBroadway_DorchesterSt.jpg doesn't contain any information that helps establish it's public domain status - for example - when it was painted? when it was first exhibited/published? who is the author? then the use of the {{PD-Art}} is incorrect. Nthep (talk) 22:53, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

The editor who uploaded the image hasn't edited in nine years, so we are unlikely to get any more information from them. I agree with Nthep that we lack the information to be confident of the public domain status. Cullen Let's discuss it 05:05, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

To make things worse I can't find anything about this image online other than a few other wiki type sites where the same upload features. Reluctantly then I am forced to tag it for deletion if no other info about it is forthcoming. Nthep (talk) 11:51, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Hello user 50.187.42.92. I'm sorry for the difficulties about that image. I have not been successful in finding information about it but, in the process, I've found other historical images and photos related to those same streets in Boston. I'm leaving here the link to them, in case you are interested: City of Boston Archives. Cheers! ► LowLevel 14:33, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Get back a deleted Draft page to resubmit

Hello all!

During the summer I was creating a page and submitted. I didn't check on its status for a while (for some reason I assumed that I would get an email if something changed). It was flagged for a copyright issue and then deleted. I realized that I made a silly mistake and didn't have an offline copy of it all. Is there a way that I can undelete or at least assess the text of it, so that I can correct the problems and try to submit it again? Or should I contact the user that deleted it?

Thanks!

Mfbergmann (talk) 21:19, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Mfbergmann. In this case, I suggest that you contact the deleting administrator. The copyrighted material can't be restored, but if there is any substantial content that you wrote yourself, perhaps that person can restore those portions as a draft. Cullen Let's discuss it 22:17, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll try to contact them.

Mfbergmann (talk) 21:44, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Tone of an article

Hi teahouse, I recently contributed to wikipedia by posting an article called "Biodegradability of Athletic Footwear," and a post came up stating that I need to use a better tone. I was wondering if you could explain to me where in my article I could better it and use a better "tone."Knixon4 (talk) 17:11, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi Knixon4. The reason for that tag being added is probably because the article reads a little like an essay. Examples of essay-like sentences include "This article discusses...", "According to Katarzyna,...", and that the article has a Conclusion section. The link in the tag should be helpful to you, as would looking at other wikipedia articles, in particular those marked as Good Articles. Hope that helps, Sam Walton (talk) 18:43, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

I'm not at all sure that "According to Katarzyna,..." is an inappropriately essay-like tone. It's a bit of a grey area though. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:06, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

That's true. But with no context as to who Katarzyna is it's not a very useful thing to write, and is something more commonly seen in essays/papers. Sam Walton (talk) 19:09, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I am doing this as a class project for an environmental chemistry course, so I am very new to this. Thank you for the help! Knixon4 (talk) 05:48, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Knixon4. It did read a little bit like a journal article or essay (a good one, if I might add). The main difference is that a magazine article will often lead in by describing the background or interesting facts, whereas at Misplaced Pages we jump right in to the topic, e.g. "Biodegradable shoes are shoes that are biodegradable." It's very blunt. That's what this article is about. So I took the liberty of adding a new lead, which is just a short summary of the main points of each section. That took care of the tone, so I removed the tone tag. Another point is that the key paragraph about "initiatives to produce environmentally friendly athletic footwear" didn't have a source. Could you find a source for that, perhaps from one of the papers cited? Also, my lead assumes that such shoes already exist, which may not be true. Please fix that if necessary. In any case, we want the article to be about one topic. After reading this, I'm interested in when such biodegradable materials might become widely used, so maybe you could cover that. Anyway it's quite a good article, thanks for the contribution. – Margin1522 (talk) 09:07, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Move Paola del Medico

Move that someone to "Paola Del Medico", or probably better "Paola Felix", the name used by her for decades - for both see her official website. "Di", "Da" and "Del" are always capitalized in Italian names, unlike Spanish ones, eg.. The WP:IT entry suffers from the same problem. 115.69.63.229 (talk) 16:22, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Hello User:115.69.63.229 and thank you for visiting the Teahouse. We appreciate your visit but I am having trouble understanding your message. Are you sure you have left your message in the right place?

  Bfpage |leave a message  18:54, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

I didn't know this, but the IP is saying "Del" is capitalized in Italian, and therefore Paola del Medico needs to be moved to Paola Del Medico. I can take care of suggesting that.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:04, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Done. It may have been non-controversial, but the target article is not a red link and an administrator may have to perform the move anyway.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:18, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

 Done. I've moved it to Paola Del Medico for now; there may be a case for Felix, but it depends on which name is more commonly used. I, JethroBT 06:33, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Accuracy versus consensus

Anyone interested in making Wikpedia a source for reliable info even if that goes against consensus at times? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:02, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

If you wish to propose a change to Misplaced Pages's policies or procedures, the Village pump is the place to go. But your presentation of Accuracy versus consensus appears mischievous to me: the question was argued at great length, presumably by people just as concerned with accuracy as you, and your imputation that consensus was somehow at the expense of accuracy looks like a failure to WP:assume good faith. --ColinFine (talk) 00:07, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

What I would like discussed is the following fact: the woman's name was Helwig, not Hedwig, and the artcle is incorrectly named because of WP policy which in this case violates WP:Common sense. If that's mischievous to you, so be it. Let's see if it's even possible to discuss very unfortunate WP idiocyncracies of this kind, or if it's taboo. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 07:29, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

(incomprehensible question)

The Idea the this to I — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.136.78.49 (talk) 12:38, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

??? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 22:02, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

How to enter my old account, i really need help

I am (user:Halias 23), on another account, I lost my password and no longer remember, I not could be recover, And I have some outstanding pages to create, HELP!!!!!, thanks (user:ELreydeEspana) 12:20 1/12/14 — Preceding unsigned comment added by ELreydeEspana (talk • contribs) 18:21, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Addition of a new person to wikipedia

Hello, I just saw an amazing art installation at Tracy Williams Gallery in NYC by the artist Darcy Miro and i'm wondering why she isn't in Misplaced Pages? There is quite a bit about her online but seems like a cohesive wikipedia page would be of value as well. Who do I ask to compile this page? Thanks! Emma — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.208.72.237 (talk) 01:32, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

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