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This account has been blocked indefinitely as a sock puppet of Jazzerino (talk · contribs · global contribs · page moves · user creation · block log) that was created to violate Misplaced Pages policy. Note that multiple accounts are allowed, but using them for illegitimate reasons is not, and that all edits made while evading a block or ban may be reverted or deleted. If this account is not a sock puppet, and you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text {{unblock|Your reason here ~~~~}} below. However, you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Mike V • Talk 22:36, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm not interested in an unblock request. This is the last thing I needed to show me that this place is terribly dysfunctional and not really worth the effort. The encyclopedia that anyone can edit, unless anyone takes a disliking to you then you are treated as a criminal. Good luck and goodbye! Rationalobserver (talk) 22:41, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

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Reviewing administrator: Mike V • Talk 21:52, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Request reason:

After the blocking administrator has left a comment, do one of the following:

If you decline the unblock request, replace this template with the following, substituting {{subst:Decline reason here}} with any specific rationale. If you do not edit the text after "decline=", a default reason why the request was declined will be inserted.

{{unblock reviewed|1=I changed my mind, since a couple of others weighed-in at the SPI, including Sergecross73, Lightbreather, and Chillum, and they think that a mistake has been made. I am not socking and I've never been blocked before, so I don't know what else to say except that I think another pair of eyes should double-check Mike V's decision. Also, if his thinking is that I am only here to bother Dan56, I would happily agree to an interaction ban between us. Rationalobserver (talk) 16:08, 18 December 2014 (UTC)|decline={{subst:Decline reason here}} ~~~~}}

If you accept the unblock request, replace this template with the following, substituting Accept reason here with your rationale:

{{unblock reviewed|1=I changed my mind, since a couple of others weighed-in at the SPI, including Sergecross73, Lightbreather, and Chillum, and they think that a mistake has been made. I am not socking and I've never been blocked before, so I don't know what else to say except that I think another pair of eyes should double-check Mike V's decision. Also, if his thinking is that I am only here to bother Dan56, I would happily agree to an interaction ban between us. Rationalobserver (talk) 16:08, 18 December 2014 (UTC)|accept=Accept reason here ~~~~}}

I've been involved in these discussions, so I shouldn't be making any administrative decisions personally, but for what its worth, I believe its worth a second look. I thought the evidence was rather weak, as did several other editors, such as Lightbreather and Chillum. If SPI worked off of consensus, the block would not have happened. That's my 2 cents. Sergecross73 msg me 18:28, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

While I remain of the opinion that the evidence was not conclusive and this is not a block I would have done myself, I also concede that User:Mike V is far more experienced in sock puppetry cases than myself. Chillum 18:39, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Chillum, I asked Lightbreather below if this block can be reviewed at AN/I, or if this unblock request is my only recourse. What advice can you give me? Rationalobserver (talk) 19:33, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

@Mike V:- looking at and they're in the same time zone, but their proportions of article edits, and edit summary usage are very different. Are you entirely confident about this? PhilKnight (talk) 20:03, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Mike, I'm also concerned about this block. I've looked at Rationalobserver's edits and the sockpuppeteer's, and nothing jumps out. If there's an issue between her and Dan56, an IBAN would solve things. SlimVirgin 20:35, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, SlimVirgin. I guess what makes this so frustrating is that everything else here is based on consensus, which I respect, but if it only takes one admin to permanently ban you from Misplaced Pages, then this is a loosely organized anarchy, which I don't respect. Can this block be reviewed at AN/I, or is the unblock request my only option? Rationalobserver (talk) 21:13, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi, yes, it can be reviewed at AN/I, but Mike may agree to lift it without that, given that several people are expressing concern. SlimVirgin 21:36, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Generally an unblock request is taken before the community when the reviewing admin wishes to unblock but cannot find agreement with the blocking admin. I would do just that however I commented in the SPI case and as such am involved.

That being said I don't think it is an unreasonable request to have a more open viewing on this matter. Chillum 21:38, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi all, I just got back from the grocery store and only noticed this request recently. I'm currently in the process of composing an email to PhilKnight to discuss a few things regarding the block. Best, Mike V • Talk 21:52, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your response, Mike V. While I assume this is a minor procedural point, am I correct to assume that you are now both the blocking and reviewing admin, or have I misunderstood something? Rationalobserver (talk) 21:56, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

I assume Mike put it on hold so as to give further thought to the block. I have no doubt that he will not decline his own unblock request, if anything he will unblock you are return the request to an open state. Chillum 22:06, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks, Chillum. Rationalobserver (talk) 22:08, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes that's correct. I changed the unblock template to the default hold setting, which seems to have auto-filled my name. It was just so that others could see at a glance that the request is being reviewed. Mike V • Talk 22:33, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

That's what I figured. Thanks for being willing to discuss this. Rationalobserver (talk) 22:52, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

I thought you were very level-headed and rational. I liked what you were trying to accomplish re Misplaced Pages's civility problem, and I'll miss you.

Lightbreather (talk) 01:25, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words, Lightbreather; it's much appreciated! Is an unblock request my only recourse here, or can I request that this block be reviewed at AN/I? Rationalobserver (talk) 16:48, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

GoodDay

GoodDay, I think it's cruel and unnecessary that you feel the need to tell everyone I am a sock when the jury is still out, but I'm not sure why you felt the need to ping me when I cannot respond. That seems like mean-spirited and uncivil behavior to me. Rationalobserver (talk) 23:30, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

I retracted that 'update', as I wasn't aware that your 'case' is being reviewed. I'm very sensative (maybe, too sensative) when socking is in the air. If you're innocent? you've my apologies. GoodDay (talk) 23:32, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Of course I'm innocent, but I made the mistake of learning too fast and applying what I learned after several years of on-and-off editing as an IP (I also edited for several weeks under a previous account that I retired for privacy reasons). This place is too quick to assume the worst in people, when they are supposed to AGF. Rationalobserver (talk) 23:37, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm not perfect. I too, can make mistakes. GoodDay (talk) 23:49, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for that. FWIW, I forgive you, and I sincerely apologize for snapping at you. This has been a disheartening experience all around, but you had always been nice to me, so I shouldn't have taken that tone. Rationalobserver (talk) 23:51, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

'Tis alright :) GoodDay (talk) 23:57, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

• Unblock on hold