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Lingeron

I see some interatction with this user by you... See this ANI entry... I have warned this user as well. Do you know how to ask for a checkuser? I've never done that before. ++Lar: t/c 11:59, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Go to WP:RFCU and follow the instructions, if you think that's the way to go. However, CheckUser requests us to handle obvious socks without bothering them. This is an obvious sock, though I don't have a chance to list the coincidences right now--connection failing...failing.... Bishonen | talk 17:35, 29 July 2006 (UTC).

A precis to update you... Geogre looked into it, and based on the evidence in contribs and style, blocked as an obvious sock. Deckiller protested, unblocked, discussion on AN/I ensued, Essjay popped in, ran the checkuser without being formally asked, and officially confirmed sockhood and I reblocked. This time for good hopefully. Amazing how much time of the community this user wastes. Now I can get back to pimping for comments on Phaedriel's RfA so she can break 200... :) ++Lar: t/c 11:41, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, being the unoficial scold of AN/I, I have to say that I agree with the questions, the checkuser, and the reinstatement. It's all cool, and folks should get cookies for being thorough. Still, it was a rather obvious reincarnation. <shrug> This head of the hydra has been lopped off, a new one to appear soon, no doubt. Geogre 12:22, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

As I told Deckiller, that's part of the process and good. I was however somewhat annoyed with User:GT, who I guess just took Lingeron's word that Thewolfstar was a Democrat! Actually, Lingeron didn't even say *that*, just that Thewolfstar mostly edited Democratic politic party articles, and GT picked up the implication and ran with it. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:35, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks guys. (I'm a little baffled by the way the people don't seem to have taken on board my own ANI post, but whatever.) Lar, since your block is the operative one, did you tick the "disable account creation" box when you blocked? If not, I'd advise you to unblock and then re-block doing that. (Don't tick the other box.) The CheckUser result rather suggests, to my mind, that Lingeron was editing from the wolfster's very own unique IP--we know she has one of those--rather than from an open proxy, and in that case this would be a great opportunity to disable account creation from the expansive sockfarm of this pest. Bishonen | talk 21:54, 30 July 2006 (UTC).

I *think* I've read that the two new checkboxes don't do *anything* if it's a username being blocked and not an IP, actually. (And I'll certainly help out with that other thing too. Or just laugh. It's hard to say.) —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:02, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

I believe I did tick "disable account creation" as I usually do, but can't be 100% sure. The block log should be enhanced to record and display that maybe?? ++Lar: t/c 22:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Enjoy your wikibreak!

Have a relaxing wikibreak, Bish - you deserve it! :) Phaedriel ♥ The Wiki Soundtrack!♪ - 13:25, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

wikibreak

Have fun "chillin'" during your break wherever you're at right now. You seriously needs to just chillax 'cause you work wayyyy too hard on this. I'm actually on break too even though no one on here seems to give :(. But yeah anyway I'll see ya around. Take it ez P.S. Holla bak @ me when you get back okay?? I gotta ask you something. I know you're prolly real disappointed in me right now. --Bonafide.hustla 07:40, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Boney, nope, I didn't check out the argument you were having, so I'm not disappointed yet! :-) Just behave yourself, is all. See you later. --Bishonen | talk 22:01, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

MSTCrow

I think that you have good cause for an arbitration request against MSTCrow, however it is also clear that the NPR request will not be accepted, largely due to the fact that dispute is seen as content-related and premature. I know you had asked that the case be accepted to look into MSTCrow's conduct, and I hate causing more work for the sake of process, but in this case I do think it would be worth the time to file a new request specifically for MSTCrow, and give more rationale specifically for that case. That would be more articlate and will probably be accepted. Thanks. Note: Copied to Calton. Dmcdevit·t 06:14, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Reply to Dmcdevit:

While I (obviously) agree with you that there's enough troublesome behavior to warrant ArbCom action, a quick look at the ArbCom page tells me that you folks are already up to your eyeballs in work, so practically it may not be a good idea -- especially if, as seems likely to me, MSTCrow is on his way down the slippery slope to a community ban. Under the theory of "give 'em enough rope and they'll hang themselves", it won't take much more edit-warring, insults, pointless wikilawyering -- note his defense of Lingeron (talk · contribs) -- and occasional outright lies for him to alienate a critical mass of editors/admins, which would render ArbCom action moot.

Besides, if he's true to form, any ArbCom case involving him would be wikilawyered up the wazoo, all intended to prove that it's everyone else's fault. His blocks certainly haven't taught him a damned thing (I've been blocked twice, not five times, and both times the blocks were vindictive and not based on fact..., as he claimed on his talk page) and I kind of doubt ArbCom sanctions would do more than provide him a martyrdom issue, either.

We'll see, I guess. So far, no other ArbCom members have weighed in, and depending on how they feel, this may be moot. Note: Copied to Bishonen. --Calton | Talk 07:48, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Calton and Rattboy are better placed than me for drawing up a case against the user: I'd have to research it bigtime, as the only thing I've seen of him comes from noticing those dumbass templates on Calton's page, and the following unreasonableness and aggression. I'm pretty centrally involved in two RFAr cases right now, plus I'm on vacation dammit, there's no way I'm going to instigate another one. I'll weigh in if you guys request arbitration, though. Calton, you might be interested in my latest comment on Bunchofgrapes' page: I see certain reasons to suspect MSTCrow of being yet another maggie sock. The coincidences aren't enough to be certain at all, but there's the unreasoning Bishonen hatred (see how there's no resentment of El C, the actual blocker, all the venom reserved for me? And BoG mentioned, too: both of us are old adversaries of the wolfster, especially me.) And on the sensible principle, enunciated by Lar, I think it was, that anybody who thinks maggie is a good editor has to be maggie (or be insane), this should be maggie. Anyway, you might want to keep it in mind as a possibility. There's something about the tone that strikes me as not the same, though. Equally objectionable, but not exactly in the same way. Bishonen | talk 13:48, 2 August 2006 (UTC).

Maggie's nothing like the wikilawyer that this critter is. Further, this critter keeps trying to stay just inside the letters of what he perceives as the law, where Maggie would gleefully run about with a flame thrower and a can of gasoline. I really don't think they're the same person, even though I think this Mystery Science Theater fan may well be a reincarnated troll. Geogre 14:45, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

LMK if you need an outside view. ++Lar: t/c 22:36, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Ultimately I'd say he's just a disgruntled wikipedian who fell in with Lingeron because they were both "abused" by Bishonen. Lingeron expressed sympathy for one of MSTCrow's earlier blocks because she too felt Bishonen was unfair, and MSTCrow later started rabble-rousing about Lingeron's block because he had an axe to grind against Bishonen. Think horses, not zebras. That said, I'd still say MSTCrow is probably going to flame out spectacularly and earn himself a block all by his lonesome if he keeps up the inflammatory rhetoric accusing Bishonen of corruption.--Rosicrucian 22:58, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Winslow Hall

Why are you never here when I need you? Who has deleted this important page, can you find out where it has gone - i don't just write these things for my own amusement - I know I wrote it, im my early days (under the first name) but where has it gone? Giano | talk 21:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Taken care of. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:01, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

(edit conflict) It got deleted, but you don't need me--Bunch has restored it. Now thank him nicely. Did you see this and this from Fred? I've just posted my disagreement with the first one. :-) Bishonen | talk 22:07, 2 August 2006 (UTC).

• I have thanked him nicely, but I am, still less than thrilld by his edit here . I note he has now changed his mind - rather like Fred really Giano | talk 22:31, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

H.E.'s arbcom case

Just letting you know that I plan on staying on top of him and Usher once the case is completed. I figure you'll need the assistance. :) And hey, I'm a glutton for punishment, I admit it. --Woohookitty 11:45, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Woohoo. Considering the evidence I've posted in this case, I think it would be a rare situation where it became appropriate for me to block or unblock anybody involved in it in the future, so... congratulations, it's all yours! Bishonen | talk 17:20, 5 August 2006 (UTC).

Welcome back

You're early, even if you meant August 6th UTC.

Welcome back. Let's get in touch soon, eh? Geogre 17:03, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

I deleted that...? Sorry! I was messing with my page, trying to produce a version with both the new wikiquote and the ... never mind, doesn't matter, suffice that it was an accident. I never got an edit conflict either. Why aren't you on Skype?? Bishonen | talk 19:48, 5 August 2006 (UTC).

• Back already, what was the matter? Hotel no good? Well if you will stay in these cut price establishments what do you expect - its a false economy to be so miserly. Well you have not missed much (I am still here) and shortly to be become an arbitrator! - seize the moment and the bull by the horn has always been my motto - so I'm organizing coup d'état of the arb-com, it's all BoG's idea - I could never have thought of it on my own - isn't he clever - we storm tomorrow. BoG is painting his face with cork and putting folliage (from Paul August's Hall tree) in his hair as we speak Giano | talk 20:04, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean hotel? I was in the middle of the North Sea with a modem between my teeth. Are you sure you want to be an arbitrator? You do realize Bishzilla keeps them in her pocket? Bishonen | talk 20:12, 5 August 2006 (UTC).

You're about to become an arbitrator??? ORLY? ++Lar: t/c 20:39, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

You sound surprised Lar - any particular reason? Giano | talk 21:45, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Um, every female arbitrator is going to show bias and vote however you vote? ++Lar: t/c 10:55, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Despite scientists' expectations, the population of modem-chewing elephants in the North Sea has tripled over the last six months. (Hi Bish! Great to have you officially back on board.) —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:42, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. I actually managed two edits from the North-Sea bound train, principally this. It took rage and some filial tech support, but I did it. Ho hum , have you edited from a train? Trainzilla | talk 23:09, 5 August 2006 (UTC).

In the U.S., the internet is just series of tubes, so we can't edit from trains here... the last tube would rip right off. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 23:19, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Lmfao, the comment above was hilarious. Anyway, welcome back Bish, good to see ya.--Bonafide.hustla 01:51, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Johnny Canuck

I wouldn't object to some progressive blocks. I'm wondering what Johnny's connection to Vaughnwatch is? User:Zoe|(talk) 22:56, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Are User:JohnnyCanuck and User:Johnny Canuck related? The latter seems to be doin OK work on Carl Lewis, a page I watch. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:59, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

They look like different guys to me, even though both are into sports. Congratulations, you get to do something about the username melée. Bishonen | talk 23:03, 5 August 2006 (UTC).

Oh boy! Let the fun begin! Well, I started the process. Soon comes the inevitable "I don't wanna! I'm blocking you! Waaaah!" stage, right? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 23:19, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

My pessimism was unwarranted; a successful name change took place. Yay! —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:54, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

• Have you guys looked into the other half of this edit/flame war. In my opinion, user:pm_shef isn't the innocent victim here. ED209 01:40, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
  • That's possible. It's not the point here, the point is that pm_shef's action was not vandalism. Do you realize that I've been telling JC that he must stop referring to non-vandalism edits as vandalism for several months now, and he just keeps going? Oh, you do. Good. Do you also realize that Zoe and I are in agreement that it's time for a block, and, indeed, progressively longer blocks, if he keeps going? JohnnyCanuck needs to get his head round the WP:Vandalism page, especially the section "What vandalism is not". His behavior hurts the wiki. I quote from WP:Vandalism: "If a user treats situations which are not clear vandalism as vandalism, then he or she is actually damaging the encyclopedia". Bishonen | talk 19:00, 6 August 2006 (UTC).
    • JC only does that because Pm_shef removes warnings from his page and calls it "vandalism". As well as removing other critical commentary. ED203
      • Why the sock, ED209/203?--Rosicrucian 20:04, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
        • EDwhatever, you seem to be missing several salient points here. Pm_shef is well entitled to remove baseless warnings from his page. Posting and re-posting frivolous warnings IS vandalism. Bishonen | talk 20:18, 6 August 2006 (UTC).

User:Cute 1 4 u

This user has two sockpuppets confirmed by CheckUser. After the kerfuffle over her Raven Symone sock, I'm presently debating putting the sockpuppeteer template on her userpage. However, I suspect she'd probably just delete it and cause Wikidrama. Your thoughts?--Rosicrucian 02:59, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

My basic feelings about the user are still represented by my ANI listing back in June. This is a kid and a newbie. She thinks wiki is Myspace and makes up imaginary friends when she has trouble getting enough action... shrug... OK, we can't have that, wikipedia is an encyclopedia, but I wish somebody would just take her in hand and explain stuff, rather than the blocks and the templates. That wish isn't directed at you, I know it's a lot to ask, and I'm not willing to do it myself either. (Children have enough nightmares about Bishzilla as it is.) It looks to me like there are two options: either put on the puppeteer template and adminprotect the page, or post an appeal for a volunteer nanny on ANI. Bishonen | talk 10:01, 6 August 2006 (UTC).

It's worrisome I'll agree. At first I was inclined to say she knew too much HTML to really be eleven years old, but when I saw her add the warning tag to her userpage today and break about every div tag on the page, I realized she's just probably copy/pasting what she likes from other userpages. So while I grit my teeth at her claim that she created the Perry Mason article (which she's never even edited on) I do wonder if there's anything we can (or even should) do. Certainly she doesn't seem to understand warnings and other input from admins, and will often just delete them. In other users this certainly wouldn't be tolerated, but I can understand your concern about taking a harsh approach with her.--Rosicrucian 14:10, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

On the subject of the naive, I agree with Rosicrucian, but I also note that Bishonen is more asking for a patient parent-figure to help the child than that the child's misdeeds be ignored. I like to be a New Critic about this stuff and say that, if a person is doing harm and no good, then it's just a case where "You must be this tall to ride the Misplaced Pages" -- that we still have to correct and prevent damage, even at the same time that we shower the user with the grace of Wikilove (it's Sunday, and I'm missing church, so expect religious metaphors all day). Geogre 14:38, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

While I do understand what Bish is getting at, it'd be with some trepidation that I'd ask someone, indeed anyone to open this can of worms, which is largely why I haven't slapped a puppeteer template on the kid. I remain doubtful the user would take any outside criticism or advice the right way, as she seems to just get confused when people try to nudge her in the right direction. Certainly given the tone some editors and admins have taken with her, she probably doesn't know who to listen to and who to ignore.--Rosicrucian 14:50, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

My userpage protection

Bishonen, it's been almost a year. Can you unprotect my user and talk pages now? I promise, I will behave 99% of the time. Due to current circumstances, I need to contribute anonymously, and would like the avenue for debate open. 67.18.109.218 03:55, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

It's not my protect on it now, the page has been unprotected and protected several times since I did it. But sure, I'll assume good faith and unprotect. The warnings are all very old, you shouldn't have to keep them up there any more, so I've blanked the page. I hope you won't incur any new ones (those would have to stay). Good luck with your editing. Bishonen | talk 09:02, 6 August 2006 (UTC).

Feedback

Bishonen, I know you may not be happy with me as you may feel I am defending Timothy. As I said in the evidence part, Timothy sometimes makes quick judgments. Anyways, Do you have any feedback here? we are trying to write a mannual of style for Islam related article. Your comments are most welcome. --Aminz 04:06, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Your experience of TU is quite different from mine, and I don't object at all to your expressing your perspective on him, how could I? I've no feedback to give on your manual of style, sorry. It sounds like a worthwhile project, but I'm far too ignorant of the subject to be involved in it even peripherally. Bishonen | talk 09:12, 6 August 2006 (UTC).

Message from JohnnyCanuck

Please explain your message on my talk page that I removed because I can not make sense out of it.--JohnnyCanuck 18:08, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I really cannot put it any more clearly. Please see my new message on your page. You have been blocked. Bishonen | talk 18:47, 6 August 2006 (UTC).

User:JohnnyCanuck

• Hey Bishonen, you may want to check JohnnyCancuks' talk page. He deleted your warning as "nonsense" in the edit summary, and put that baseless vandalism warning back on my page. If you could remove it from my page, it'd be much appreciated :) -- pm_shef 18:10, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

• Relax, I am sure he is aware. Read the above message from Johnny himself. Mind your own business and assume good faith. ED209 18:20, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

 ?? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:13, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Near as I can tell, ED209 has created ED203 solely for the purpose of continuing this dispute. It's bewildering, because his old account isn't banned. At the very least, the new account has no other real edits.--Rosicrucian 20:20, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

• Please do a checkuser. This was fairly predicatable. Somebody has created an account to impersonate me. It could be user:pm_shef. Don't make comments such as "near as I can tell." What is this based on? You say yourself, my account is not banned. ED209 20:49, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Why would user:pm_shef accuse himself of vandalism, sockpuppetry, and other banworthy offenses?--Rosicrucian 21:00, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

• Whatever the case, its not me. ED203 and myself have posted at identical times and on his talk page, we are in the process of having a discussion. This is not my style. I have no need to create more accounts, and if you look at my edits, they are fair. On the talk pages, I am very aggressive because I am tired of user:pm_shef and his political agenda. ED209 21:03, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

• For goodness sakes, this is just another example of User:ED209 accusing me of various offences without ever providing any proof at all. All he does is accuse me of vandalism, sockpuppetry, not assuming good faith, POV pushing and God knows what else, and yet through all this he has yet to provide even a single morsel of evidence to back up his claims, all the while dragging my name through the mud. Bishonen, sorry for continuing this on your talk page. -- pm_shef 21:41, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

• I said "it could be." I don't know what to think about it. I find it weird that somebody has created this account. ED209 21:42, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Pm, that's ok. But actually, ED209, unless you think ED203 is me, I'd appreciate it if you took your discussion with various users off my page and on to your own. Lord knows I have to archive often enough. Bishonen | talk 21:54, 6 August 2006 (UTC).

Welcome back

Welcome back Bish. Martial Law 18:35, 6 August 2006 (UTC):)

Thank you. Bishonen | talk 19:01, 6 August 2006 (UTC).

Your talents are needed

Bishonen, you are one of the most respected editors on Misplaced Pages. I would be eternally grateful if you would edit the "Alternative Treatments" and "Controversy" and "Parental Roles" sections of the ADHD to give them a more neutral viewpoint. I would do this, but having ADHD myself, I find myself unable to handle it with a neutral point of view.

Sincerely, --*Kat* 03:15, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Flattery will get you everywhere! Sure, I'll take a shot at NPOVing those sections, fully expecting to be laughed to scorn on the talk page for my ignorance. Bishonen | talk 09:02, 7 August 2006 (UTC).

If you have any questions about ADHD or anything related to ADHD, feel free to ask. --*Kat* 05:59, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Just realized that you had already gone over the Parental Roles section. Thank you! --*Kat* 06:08, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Sock of Jipanzee

Thank you for indef blocking User:Jipanzee, he seems however to to have created a sockpuppet to evade his block a grand total of two minutes (at 15:41) after the block. the sockpuppet is User:Sowpon, his sole edit seems fairly self explanatory. If you're interested, as I told User:JamesTeterenko, I believe these latest sockpuppets are in fact seperate from VaughanWatch/JohnnyCanuck (assuming JC is a sock). Their edit patterns seem sufficiently different (VW focused on PoV pushing in mainspace, the new ones, included ED, focused more on personal attacks and disrupting wiki) to lead me to believe that rather than all being spawn of VW, we're dealing with two seperate groups, with the second cooperating with the first simply out of convienience. Anyways, thanks for keeping an eye out - wish we had a more effective way of dealing with them. --pm_shef 00:20, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

• Note Sowponn (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). Very original eh? -- pm_shef 00:33, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

• Please see Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/ED209. Feel free to comment if you wish. -- pm_shef 01:01, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

FYI

I am surprised you are an admin here. For Your Information From Etiquette "Actively erasing non-harassing personal messages without replying (if a reply would be appropriate or polite) will probably be interpreted as hostile. In the past, this kind of behavior has been viewed as uncivil, and this can become an issue in arbitration or other formal proceedings. Redirecting your user talk page to another page (whether meant as a joke or intended to be offensive or to send a "go away" message), except in the case of redirecting from one account to another when both are yours, can also be considered a hostile act. However, reverting such removals or redirects is not proper and may result in a block for edit warring. If someone removes your comments without answering, consider moving on or dispute resolution. This is especially true for vandalism warnings".Bharatveer 11:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

So am I sometimes, but life is full of surprises. The etiquette guideline you quote refers to erasing non-harassing personal messages. See, that doesn't happen very often. It's inherently unlikely that people will want to erase civil messages, and it's not what dab was doing. Dab has not contacted me, his page merely happens to be on my watchlist, so I'm not especially well informed about the conflict between you; but then I don't have to be to see that your messages on his page are rude, threatening and abusive, in other words harassing. I would like to endorse the advice you quote from the etiquette page: "If someone removes your comments without answering, consider moving on". Bishonen | talk 12:08, 8 August 2006 (UTC).

well, Bish, since you are looking into this already, I do think Bhatveer has a block coming, for blatant trolling if nothing else. I'm not upset or anything, but I would prefer to edit Misplaced Pages without this kind of background noise, so if you can be bothered, you might check if you would agree. dab (ᛏ) 12:42, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

ah, I just noted that you warned him already; that's certainly good enough for me, provided he'll shut up now :) dab (ᛏ) 12:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

From your comments on my talk page. "...but then I don't have to be to see that your messages on his page are rude, threatening and abusive"

Can you pls show where I have threatened and abused him.It would help me to correct myself in the future.Bharatveer 13:11, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Here is a threatening quote made by you, Bharatveer: "I will make sure that your famous quote will surely "haunt" you for the rest of your wiki life." Here is an abusive quote made by you, Bharatveer: "I personally dont care whether you use your Mouth or your arse to shit or of understanding fecal connections." Both quotes can be found on http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Dbachmann

(Edit conflict) This edit is a good example. It's full of inapproriate personal remarks. You speak of dab himself: his character, his prospects — "You see this is what you really are. I dont think anyone can help you regarding this". You speculate inappropriately and intrusively about his character, prejudices, and capacity for change (all of them hopeless, according to you). Don't do this. Don't discuss other editors' motivations or personal qualities at all. That's the secret of civility and the essence of WP:NPA, a policy that I see you recommend to others. See the first line of that policy page? "Comment on content, not on the contributor." Here's one that assumes bad faith in refusing to believe dbachmann's (perfectly credible) explanation of what he meant, and uses bad language and a threatening tone. These are all bad things. Avoid them. Bishonen | talk 14:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC).

Your reversion of my edit to wigger

It was not vandalism, please see my message to Bonafide.hustla .

--Yunipo 12:41, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for helping me out bish, I appreciate it. Btw go to to wish Jimbo happy b-day.--Bonafide.hustla 07:08, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

3rr

You have blocked Bharatveer for WP:3RR. I noticed that another user did the same offence in the article, and have noted the other offence also at WP:AN/3RR for fairness reasons. Maybe you didn't see this in the article history. However, in blocking for WP:3RR, care should be taken that all parties are treated equally, otherwise it is unfair. (WP says: In the cases where multiple parties violate the rule, administrators should treat all sides equally.) Cheers --Rayfield 17:06, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I guess you missed my post in response to yours on Bharatveer's page. Bishonen | talk 17:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC).

Que!

Bishonen dear you are sure to know the answer, what is this page all about Category:Administrators open to recall, I found it while looking for something else, there are so many of them why would anyone not be able to recall one - I'm lost - please inform. Giano | talk 20:40, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry I've just sussed it - Amazing! Serve them right if someone did - humbleness mixed with cockyness is always nauseating Giano | talk 20:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, charming--I just spent half an hour looking out the links and writing it up for you in words of one syllable, and now you don't care any more? Bugger that, you're getting it, because someone did (=me). Here it comes:
Some 30 admins have listed themselves on that page. Open to recall means they're willing to surrender their adminship and go through a new RFA if six users in good standing ask them to. You know, users such as you and me. Or you, anyway. Admin User:Crzrussian, who is listed on the page, has just done some dumb stuff with his admin powers, and Dmcdevit and I have asked him, per the "open to recall" page, to surrender his adminship. It's the first time the page has been invoked. Dmcdevit's post here gives a good picture of what the problems were. It's being discussed on User talk:Crzrussian and in this ANI thread. This is me: . Two or three other users have chimed in, everybody else thinks we're being mean and petty and "casting the first stone" (that's the choice wording of Crzrussian himself) and oh, no, how cruel to expect him to de-sysop himself. (So in fact there aren't at present six users requesting it.) I've a good mind to propose the "open to recall" page for deletion--apparently it's merely for show and showing off. (Bunch and Lar have listed themselves on it.) What do you care, are you grooming yourself for adminship again? Bishonen | talk 21:17, 8 August 2006 (UTC).

We're bad, bad people. I'm uniquely bad -- being both in the nasty category and also being among those asking for a re-RfA for Crzrussian. This is such awful behavior on my part that it is a shame it hasn't caught on among his supporters in this affair to go over to my page and ask for my own recall. Does this one case adequately demonstrate that the idea doesn't work? I'm not sure. Do we demonstrate "humbleness mixed with cockiness"? Hmm, I'm afraid I might with or without the category. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 21:31, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, you always have to be worst. I'm the most rouge, because the only reason I'm not listed is I'd be too scared. I'd have nightmares about, say, MCCrow (in excellent standing, here since 2004), EE (also lots of edits), chummy Bharatveer above (seen his talkpage?), and an elastic number of sleeper Maggie socks homing in on me within minutes. Bishonen | talk 22:10, 8 August 2006 (UTC).

What you are forgetting though is what great fun a re-RfA might be. Remember your RfC? Aren't your cupboards running a little low on cookies and brownies again? I bet you could smash that wet-behind-the ears Phaedrial's record without even trying hard. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:16, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

• The humbleness is insinuating one is subject to one's peers, while the cockiness is knowing it is near impossible to obtain 6 people agreeing completely on anything in wikipedia - No, I am not grooming myself for adminship - I seem to do very well without it, thank you very much. Now back to work, all of you - pick up your mops I'm sure there are dirty floors somewhere that need your attention - I'm of for a glass of wine in the VIP suite (poor man needs some advice, a huge bore but one must help where one can) remember to mop right into the corners! Giano | talk 22:08, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Uh-huh...I'm grooming "myself" for adminship..just joking. But anyway listen y'all, what's the point of listing yourself on that open to recall page if you simply ignore it? Btw, the admin Crzyrussian just made the decision to ignore a few users (myself included) who are tryna recall him by calling me a stalker. --Bonafide.hustla 22:44, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I think there are some misconceptions in this thread. I see this process working out pretty well so far, and to characterise it as cocky is a bit of a misstatement. Before you get ready to propose it for deletion, let this process work through and see what happens. RfAr exists as a check, if Crzrussian acts unreasonably, it will go much harder for him at ArbComm... Also please remember that by definition it's Crzrussian's (or in Bishie's case, hers) perogative who is certified. He chose, presumably after reviewing B.h's contributions, attitude, and other factors, not to certify him as a user in good standing with him. His perogative. I'm clerking so won't express any opinion on the merits of the case but there are 4 people already certified so to say that you can't get 6 is a bit of a stretch I feel. ++Lar: t/c 23:13, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

N.b. for readers of this, there is significant dissent on my talk page. I won't try to introduce an argumentative tone here, but I disagree with much of what has been said about this case. Geogre 23:27, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Your opinions requested

Hey Bish, as a resident featured article writing superstar, I was hoping you'd take the time out to give your input on Misplaced Pages:Featured article advice, my guide that I moved out to Misplaced Pages space to hopefully encourage greater use. I was thinking of re-ordering the points to prioritize them, so I'd be interested in your priority order. Thank ya - Taxman 22:00, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Haha, I suppose you saw me saying above that flattery will get you everywhere? I actually meant subtle flattery, there's a difference! Bishonen | talk 22:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC).

Oh, well perhaps you were too subtle about that, I've been known to be oblivious to subtlety at times. More important question, did the flattery work? :) - Taxman 22:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

You didn't see the edit summary? That was my subtlety. Bishonen | talk 22:56, 8 August 2006 (UTC).

Duly missed. :) - Taxman 23:48, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Sanskrit 3rr blocks

Hi there Bishonen. Sorry if it is my mathematical pedantry kicking in (see my user page), but I changed the length of Crculver's block to a total of 30 hours, as it seems as though he did 5 reverts. I have made a comment on Bharatveer's talk page, and I feel the blocks are above board. Thanks, Blnguyen | rant-line 01:17, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Good to see you on my page again -- but I'm sorry that the autoblocks are back in force. The programming "fix" doesn't seem to have lasted long. I appreciate your attention but am calling it a night. Best wishes. WBardwin 10:11, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

my number two block of the evening just hit me again. I knew I should have gone to bed! Best...........WBardwin 10:32, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

My Recall

Hello. Your response here will be appreciated. Thanks. - CrazyRussian talk/email 16:32, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Crapola

Dealing with a LOVELY lady named PennyGWoods. Check out my post on WP:AN and WP:AN/I about it. She's now using open proxies on a daily basis. Got so bad that I had to semi Halle Berry and the talk page because she just won't leave it alone. And the IPs are all over the map. Just fun. All of this because she's mad about how Halle played Storm in the X Men movies. So silly. --Woohookitty 09:17, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

This contains alot of the joy that is PennyGWoods. :) --Woohookitty 09:18, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, hey, we have something in common: I've been called the queen of bloody England too! I've been signing as "Liz" and using the royal "We" ever since. My user is now in arbitration; perhaps yours will end up there too. Bishonen | talk 09:36, 10 August 2006 (UTC).

I thought Kevin Costner protected Halle Berry. No, that was Whitney Huston. Ok, then what about Mike Tyson? No, that was Robin...Robin Givens. Nightcrawler protects Halle Berry and Billy Bob Thornton! (I'm always up on celebrity news.) Geogre 11:37, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

You're high up on something, methinks... that was amazing stream-of-popular-cultureness. KillerChihuahua 16:53, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I can never keep my celebrities straight. Tom Curse is married to someone and has apparently produced a "baby bump," but Kevin Federline is a hip hop star and won't drop the baby or something.... Geogre 17:04, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

ANI post on blocks

Thank you for that comment you made today on ANI regarding how it feels to be blocked. I think it was very intelligent and well-phrased. Haukur 12:07, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

SOW, I tried to call & got a message that you are either not online or "have recently blocked me." Oh, the humanity! Geogre 12:21, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Haukur, you did sterling work yourself. ;-) Sorry Geogre, I had to reboot and I guess I didn't turn Skype back on. The MacBook seems a little tired. Not as tired as me. How about I call you back when it's cooler, say 10 aka 4? Bishonen | talk 14:53, 10 August 2006 (UTC).

Sure, you bet. I haven't ever heard my phone ring before. Geogre 16:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

artistic endevor

My dear, it was simply an artistic statemnt that Misplaced Pages is indeed serious business and EVERYONE should be aware.

Pet

Can you place a copy of "Bishzilla" on my Userpage ? I do apologise if I'm in error. Just looking for a good Wiki-pet. Martial Law 04:18, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

User:DanielCD has one called "Compie". I do not mean to be offensive at all. Just looking for a good Wiki-pet. Martial Law 05:51, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Bishzilla is not a pet. Martial Law, quit posting on my page and talking about me. How many hints do you need? Go away. Bishonen | talk 12:33, 11 August 2006 (UTC).

Did not mean to offend you. Will comply. Martial Law 16:39, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Round of applause

"Agree wholeheartedly with Mark. I believe all recently blocked users should be cut some slack regarding what they do in the frustration of reacting to the block. For instance, don't scrutinize their posts for personal attacks, don't expect model behavior, don't take it so personally if they tell you how abusive you are. A block is a shock. All admins are more powerful than all regular users; but admins are so much more powerful than a blocked user that it should give them pause. It's not the right moment to express your irritation with how much trouble the user is being by slapping on an indefinite. Assume even more good faith than usual. This all goes double if the first block can be seen as dubious or unfair. I support unblocking now. Oh, and btw, I'm assuming good faith on Deckiller's comment that we "might be able to get an indefinite for this": I'm sure he didn't mean it as crassly as it sounded."

That was a very good comment. Am I allowed to post here, by the way? Everyking 08:14, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Until further notice you're very welcome here, James. Thank you for asking, and thanks for the compliment. I feel strongly about what I see as harsh blocks, especially for "personal attacks"--there's too many of those, with too loose definitions of both PAs and of "disruption"--and especially about any hint of vicious-circle progressive blocking, whereby users get slammed with longer blocks simply for chafing under the first one. The quote of the week at the top of this page is from a rather lengthy shitstorm I've been in for acting on these convictions. The statement's supposed to be withering, but I display it with pride. Some solutions need unsolving. :-) That's not to say I think you and I are any too likely to see eye to eye in blocking matters in general. And if this is really about the two-week block I see you've just come off, I don't have any opinion about it, I haven't been following it. Callous as it may sound, there are a lot of less high-profile cases around that *nobody*'s following or protesting, and that don't require reading a few mind-numbing novels' worth of background first, so... Sorry about that. (And if it was about the Extraoradinary Machine brouhaha, I'm afraid I'd probably support the block.) Bishonen | talk 10:33, 11 August 2006 (UTC).

Um. How about the recent block of Uzerbaaji (talk · contribs)? -- ALoan (Talk) 11:01, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, no. You're the guy with the wikilove, remember? Not me. I demand adminns please. I want ad,in. how i get admidn? give admin. What are you waiting for, nominate me! My tutor brevesky cane me now for fail. What have you got to say for yourself, eh? Tutor brevosky might legeal acction with wikpedia for my fail . why i fail essay with wikipoedia helping? Yes, you may well shuffle your feet, ALoan! I demand explanation please. give explanation. Bishonen | talk 11:34, 11 August 2006 (UTC).

I just waved the big stick about a bit (and then felt guilty). User:Alex Bakharev fired the shotgun. -- ALoan (Talk) 12:33, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Admin abuse. You should have written that essay for him! Bishonen | talk 12:41, 11 August 2006 (UTC).

Fire!

Neal Stephenson's Quicksilver has a gatefold interior of a 17th c. painting of the fire. The back cover says, "painting of Great Fire of London on stepback copyright Museum of London." The novel is part of a new web-friendly project called P.S., and they refer one to www.baroquecycle.com for whatever that may be worth. Geogre 19:36, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. WTF is "stepback"? Bishonen | talk 19:48, 11 August 2006 (UTC).

No clue, but I'm thinking it's one of those cute London neighborhoods that should have a majiscule. The painting is very obviously from the other side of the river. Southwark neighborhoods are numberless as the stars of the sky, and as fancifully named. Geogre 19:51, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

A stepback is a type of book cover — specifically, it's a cover that's of a slightly shorter width than the pages, showing a "stripe" of either a design or a larger piece of artwork underneath. Te painting Geogre mentions is on the book's stepback. (Don't you love all the random Wikipedians who have "The Salon" watchlisted?) --keepsleeping slack off! 22:27, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Fantastic answer. I never learned that term in my Bibliography class, but I was pretty angry about having to take the class and thoroughly set against learning anything. That's a great help. Geogre 01:56, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank ye both. Geogre, perhaps you were thinking of Stepney? Bishonen | talk 23:41, 11 August 2006 (UTC).

Well, the painting is on the "stepback," so Keepsleeping must be right. This leaves us no nearer to knowing if the painting has a name other than "Painting of Great Fire of London." We know it's at the Museum of London, and we know that the copyright doesn't actually apply, as the Bridgeman Case would argue, but no telling whether anyone has been brave enough to scan a reproduction and loosed it on the web. Geogre 01:56, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

The image on the stepback looks like old St Paul's in flames, and seems to be a detail from this image on the Museum's website. SlimVirgin 02:49, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

The great and powerful Bishzilla remains one step ahead of the teeming masses. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 02:58, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, faithful herold. Teem on, teem on, my pretties. Bishonen | talk 03:22, 12 August 2006 (UTC).

Won't display for me. I have a feeling the copyright sniffers may be holding their noses. One needs a reminder of the Bridgeman Case fairly often, I gather. Geogre 03:38, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Semi-protected

I semi protected your userpage to keep the trolls at bay...feel free to override my protection of course. Best wishes!--MONGO 21:27, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll keep it for a while. That was amorrow, you may have recognized the type of preoccupation. He has discovered that the boyish-sounding "bishonen" is really a ... you know. One of *them*. Bishonen | talk 21:35, 11 August 2006 (UTC).