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Barnstar for you!

		The Template Barnstar
		I've looked at your tireless contribution to templates. So i believe this barnstar should suit you. Ibrahim ebi (talk) 15:59, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

		The Template Barnstar
		Thanks for your help to improve the Adopt-a-typo template. Much appreciated! Jason Quinn (talk) 16:50, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

		The Template Barnstar
		For getting better performance and adding options to the chess diagram template. Bubba73 02:36, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Let me just second this (since you've got three on this page already). Thank you for all those well-framed edit requests you made to the convert sub-templates. ~Adjwilley (talk) 20:05, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for editing Sandhani page. Dr. Kabir Hossain (talk) 18:41, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

	The Technical Barnstar
	Module:testcase table is great! Thanks for making it! —hike395 (talk) 03:58, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

		The SpongeBob SquarePants Bubble Award
		Hey Frietjes! Thanks for your wonderful and helpful contributions in SpongeBob related areas. I really appreciate it. Keep it up! Thanks and happy editing! :) Mediran (t • c) 03:12, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		Thank you for being observant to other's (i.e. me) ham-fisted hacking and repairing damaged templates without fuss. You rock! FruitMonkey (talk) 21:11, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

	The Original Barnstar
	For your work correcting the "year" field in 1000s of uses of {{Infobox Australian place}}. Much appreciated. Mattinbgn (talk) 19:53, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Wow. That was a quick work here! Happy editing! --    L o g  X   17:34, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

	The Technical Barnstar
	Thanks for you work on tables and templates! -- Wywin (talk | contribs) 18:35, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

		The Template Barnstar
		Thanks for all your work replacing instances of {{convert/spell}} with the new Lua compliant {{convert|...|spell=in}} AdmrBoltz 20:54, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		Frietjes, I would like to thank you for taking care and fixing the oil field infobox even without asking. It was really kind of you. Beagel (talk) 17:59, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

A kitten for you! Thanks for all the updating of the population data you are doing on Queensland places! Great work! Kerry (talk) 00:32, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

		The Golden Doubloon of Anatomy
		You have been awarded the prestigious Golden Doubloon for your services to the WP:ANATOMY WikiProject. Thanks!

	The Technical Barnstar
	Thank you for adding team colors for college basketball players. Temple of the Mousy (talk) 19:53, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

tireless template help Thank you for quality help in all kinds of template questions, even creating a template that should not be needed rather than "some hack of div tags and html tables", finding solutions with sense and offering them with kindness, - you are an awesome Wikipedian! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:01, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

		The Template Barnstar
		Thank you so much for your fix at Template:Infobox winery. You've just fixed something that had been a small annoyance to me and probably others for a long time. SchreiberBike talk 00:46, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

On a number of occasions now I've noticed you've made a whole series of benificial but tedious improvements to various currency articles. These are mostly the type of improvements that are behind the scene's (formatting, wikifying, etc.) and thus might go unrecognized, so I wanted to take a moment to thank you and let you know it's appreciated. Gecko G (talk) 20:49, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

	Nice work!
	Thanks so much for the work on the Nanjing districts template! Your input on the template itself and placement within articles is extremely helpful! I had posted two questions about how to format it and you resolved both issues! It's very much appreciated and looks really nice now. CaroleHenson (talk) 15:16, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Nice work on {{Taxation}}! You do a lot of work in neglected areas, and it's always a big improvement. bobrayner (talk) 12:46, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for patrolling unused templates and nominating them for deletion. The cleanup is very useful. Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:17, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

	The Original Barnstar
	Thanks for the article changes :) Viktor O. Ledenyov (talk) 14:07, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

		The College football Barnstar
		Frietjes, thank you for your excellent work streamlining the color coding used in navboxes for college football and other college sports subjects. Jweiss11 (talk) 06:26, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

	The Working Woman's Barnstar
	For your unceasing work on the many WP Templates, I hereby award you this Barnstar YSSYguy (talk) 23:25, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		A big thanks for your help with putting in grid-numbers in info-boxes: it works like dream! With best wishes, Huldra (talk) 22:02, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	For your endeavor in template cleanup, where I sometimes feel overwhelmed, and wish I were more like you. -- ] {{talk}} 19:55, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

tireless template help
Thank you for quality help in all kinds of template questions, even creating a template that should not be needed rather than "some hack of div tags and html tables", finding solutions with sense and offering them with kindness, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:01, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for correcting my sourcing mistake on Defense of the Reich. Much appreciated. GeneralizationsAreBad (talk) 19:58, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	for the amazing work you do everyday and the help you provide to the CHECKWIKI project. Magioladitis (talk) 11:41, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Thank you, thank you, thank you for fixing this! —  dainomite   15:11, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	For you hard work at cleaning up templates. Just checked my watch list and it BLEW UP with all the changes you made. Keep up the awesome work! Zackmann08 (/What I been doing) 04:05, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

hi, thank u for editing in my page user :) SURDUSVII 17:51, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Location map Kingdom of Hungary

From my talk page back in september.

Bugger bugger bugger, I saw a map in the transport museum in budapest we went the other week and it had the lat and long but in pretty much a mercator projection. My missus was more interested with the toy trains so I didn't get a chance to take the measures off it. If it's wrong (as it is) it should be deleted but I am still trying to get the measures right. The thing is it's specifically Kingdom of Hungary, but the more atlases (atli? :) I look at the more different lats and longs I get. And anything one does on Hungarian articles is rather contentious, so it is probably really better deleted. Because people whose great grandfathers were part of the Kingdom of Hungary will say no that's Croatia or Slovakia or Slovenia or Yugoslavia or Jugoslavia or The People's Republic of East Kebab. Since Hungarian politics is very contentious and goes on racist grounds in far more than would be allowed in where I come from, this is better off deleted. (Hint: say Treaty of Trianon to a Hungarian and await results.) Si Trew (talk) 09:36, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

I never did get round to this. I took the coords off of file at right, which is very high quality but seems to have an odd idea of where 0 longitude is (it suggests it is east of Paris, but that didn't seem to work). As you suggested, I tried to take well-known points at the edges of the map: Fiume, for example, at south-west. I took very good readings after printing out this map at A0 size and using ruler and compass, my trig is quite good, but I could never get it to fit. Si Trew (talk) 06:02, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

.Oh, Template:Location_map_Kingdom_of_Hungary/test might help you. You see, Fiume's in the right place but Budapest is a bit too far left and the rest are well out. Si Trew (talk) 06:09, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Infobox NFL coach merge/wrapper

Hey, Frietjes. Was this sandbox ready for review, or were you still chewing on it? Please let me know. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:42, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Dirtlawyer1, I believe that was a proof-of-concept to show that one format could be converted to another format. I'm not sure which format is preferred at the moment. Frietjes (talk) 14:52, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

parameters marked as "missing" in the sandbox are parameters which are in the coach infobox, but do not exist in the player/biography infobox. the extra stats links are probably not needed, but additional fields to differentiate between a playing career and a coaching career seem useful. Frietjes (talk) 15:01, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Frietjes, nice to have you back, and I hope you enjoyed your time away. Thanks for your previous work on the concept. As far as the NFL and college football players are concerned, the existing plainlist coding for team tenures and honors is strongly preferred, not least because it is already in use on 15,000+ NFL and CFB player articles. There is also the matter of consistent formatting with the teams and honors being followed by the tenures/years in parentheticals -- the format was a conscious choice of the template designers and makes a great deal more semantic sense than the revers employed elsewhere. So, yes, I think we want to preserve that choice as we replace the last 300 coach infoboxes. Please let me know what you can do. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:19, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

I just saw your added comment above after being edit-conflicted. I will take a look at the "missing" parameters noted above, and get back to you. I agree we do not need to add any more stats fields to the merged box; stats are one of the most problematic and misused parameters out there. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:19, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Infobox NFL coach

Can you please modify Template:Infobox NFL coach so that the parameter names match Template:Infobox NFL player? Or vice-versa. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:42, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Infobox school

Can you please take a look at {{Infobox school}}? It turns it supports |url=, |website= and {{homepage}} at the same time one not overwriting the other? The standard name is |website= in most infoboxes and multiple external links should be avoided. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:55, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

I think we were looking to combine the three into just one parameter. A tracking category would be fine. Magioladitis and I started cleaning out Category:Deprecated parameters when there was just 60 something subcategories. Now that "evil" Jonesey95 keeps adding more, now 84 and counting, what's one more new one. That Jonesey will pay.

Category:Pages using infobox school with deprecated image parameters has been cleaned out. If you are messing with infobox, you can remove the deprecated parameters from appearing, but keep the checks in place. Same goes for Category:Unusual parameters of Infobox locomotive template and Category:Christian leader infoboxes with deprecated parameters. Bgwhite (talk) 06:42, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

I deleted {{Infobox Fußballspieler}}. Not sure why you re-created it for a blocked user on dewiki to stage the stuff that he was blocked there for. Bgwhite (talk) 09:17, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Guilty as charged. In fairness, most of the categories I am adding are empty. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:43, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

see Category:Pages using infobox school with multiple external links Frietjes (talk) 14:37, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Template that produces wikipedia external link

Many pages about Misplaced Pages projects have an external link to the Misplaced Pages project. Would be possible that we create a template that takes as parameter the prefix and then generates the external link? I.e. {{template's name|en}} should give https://en.wikipedia.org. This will distinguish these pages from these pages having wikilinks written as external links. What do you think? -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:36, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Magioladitis, there is {{fullurl:somepage}} for generating an external link to a page, and {{SERVERNAME}} which returns en.wikipedia.org. I am probably misunderstanding what you want here, so can you link to an example where this external/internal linking is happening? Frietjes (talk) 14:32, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

The next time I'll encounter something like this I ll let you now. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:47, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Magioladitis, your url breakage can be fixed like this (saw the message on your talk page from the reference bot, and seems to be related to this thread). Frietjes (talk) 01:31, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

You are great. Thanks! -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:36, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

{{Infobox broadcast}}

On the doc page of {{Infobox broadcast}}, it lists |former_cities= and |former_locations= parameters. However, in the code, these two parameters are missing. Articles with these parameters are showing up in Category:Broadcast infoboxes with deprecated parameters and there appears to be only ~10 of them. Not sure if they should be added to the code or removed from the doc page. Bgwhite (talk) 09:24, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Bgwhite, if you check the doc page history, you will see that |former_locations= was added to the doc page here and |former_cities= was added to the doc page here. neither of these additions corresponded to any additions to the actual template (very few edits to the actual template in 2009). I don't see any particular problem with adding those parameters to the template, but there should be a proposal first on the template talk page. FYI, I found this statement offensive and a mischaracterization of the situation. Frietjes (talk) 14:50, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

it's after November 15th, and still no template. have you extended my punishment? Frietjes (talk) 19:26, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Requested comment

Frietjes, would you be willing to comment here? I figured you'd be contacted at some point! Corkythehornetfan 00:57, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Virginia Tech Project Invite

Go Hokies (talk) 04:17, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Brace

Hi. I checked Category:Misplaced Pages character-substitution templates and I found nothing for a single pair of braces. Can you please add it? This will help in some weird math cases. Check for {{math|{1, 2, ... , ''n''<nowiki>}}}</nowiki> at Laplace expansion for instance. -- Magioladitis (talk) 05:47, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Magioladitis, for sets, you can use {{mset}}. Frietjes (talk) 14:27, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I have forgotten about it. Can you please fix Multiset too? -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:34, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

sure. Frietjes (talk) 15:53, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

You are great. I really tried to fix some more of Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Check Misplaced Pages/Error 043 whitelist but I getting confused with all these double braces. When you have please... -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:05, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

For helping me today!

Magioladitis (talk) 16:06, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Template:ArchbishopsofATL

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Problem with {{Philippine Census}}

There's a problem between{{Philippine Census}} and {{historical populations}} – causes doubled column of population. Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Sat 18:45, wikitime= 10:45, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Can you link to an article that demonstrates this problem? I don't see a problem at Luzon#Demographics or Camarines_Sur#Demographics or Quezon_City#Demographics, to pick three articles at random. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:34, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Jonesey95, already fixed it (see template talk:historical populations), just forgot to respond here as well. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 14:35, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

I was thrown off by the lack of history changes in the template, because it invokes a Lua module. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:39, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

MBTA station signs

By longstanding consensus, the infobox headers for a number of transit systems are formatted to replicate station signs as accurately as possible. While not all systems have this (largely because the formatting is tricky to set up initially, though easy once it's been done), it's been done for a number of system including NYCS, LIRR, NJT, MNRR, Shore Line East, LACMTA, and VRE - and the MBTA. Station signs at MBTA stations do indeed use large caps; using small caps does not reflect their real look. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 17:27, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Pi.1415926535, in my browser, {{sc}} renders in small caps, with a uniform font height, but at a font-size that is slightly smaller than the SHOUTING ALL CAPS. is this not the case for you? Frietjes (talk) 17:29, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

In my browser (Chrome 46.0), the small caps render rather smaller - the occupy less than half of the vertical height of the color box, while forward slashes still occupy more of the height. The MBTA graphics manual - see section V, page C6.0 - states that letters should occupy two-thirds of the vertical space of the color bar. The template before your changes reflected this; please do not change it without consensus. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 17:37, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Pi.1415926535, okay, I just added text-transform:uppercase to the base style, so you can now write in standard case and it will be transformed to upper case by your browser. Frietjes (talk) 17:39, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Ah, okay. I'm not familiar with the intricacies of actually creating the style templates so I wrongly assumed you were trying to change things. Great work cleaning up duplicate arguments by the way - I assume that's how you happened across these originally? Pi.1415926535 (talk) 17:42, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Pi.1415926535, yes, that's why I was there originally. Frietjes (talk) 17:43, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Help

Hello. Sorry to bother, but I don't have a clue when it comes to some of this technical stuff! I believe you helped me with Template:President of Emporia State University graphical timeline when it was in my sandbox, and now I'm trying to get it to collapse so that I can put it in an article. It looks sort of like a navbox with the navbar at the top (which I don't want it to be a navbox, but I want the "v*t*e" on there so I don't have to search for the template every time.) I've done everything that I know of to try and get it to have the collapsible option, but it just won't work. Sorry again, but your help would be appreciated! 🎄 Corkythehornetfan 🎄 04:01, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Corkythehornetfan, I think I fixed it for you. If not, undo my change. Nice template. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:17, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Jonesey95! Another question: how do I make it show in one article? I have a couple of articles I want it in -- one that shows the table (the main article), and the other collapsed. I appreciate your help! 🎄 Corkythehornetfan 🎄 18:31, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Corkythehornetfan, I set the default state to expanded. you can change it to collapsed in an article by setting |state=collapsed. note that, because you are using the navbox class, your timeline won't show on mobile devices, or in print, which ignore navigation boxes. if that's a problem, we can fix it by switching to {{hidden begin}}/{{hidden end}}. Frietjes (talk) 18:56, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! I don't see it a problem now, but I'll keep that in mind. Thanks again the both of you! 🎄 Corkythehornetfan 🎄 19:23, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Football players infoboxes

Hey Fietjes, thanks for cleaning up football player info boxes. I just would like to let you know that there is sometimes an intended deviation in the arrangement of box elements. For instance, it's pretty common to arrange caps and goals before the club, just because it's far tidier on the edit layout and doesn't play a role in the actual layout. Kind regards, DrunkenGerman (talk) 18:04, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

DrunkenGerman, you should change the documentation in Template:Infobox football biography if it's a better format. Frietjes (talk) 18:09, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. But I guess it's far too much work to start discussions about changing the template. Also a lot people would disapprove just because then the ordering of the edit layout and actual layout wouldn't match anymore - what is actually not a big deal, but when I think of some Wikipedians... DrunkenGerman (talk) 18:13, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

DrunkenGerman, "too much work to start a discussion" and "not a big deal" is contradictory to leaving a message on my talk page about it. let me know if you decide otherwise. Frietjes (talk) 18:18, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Well, also (and maybe even especially) Misplaced Pages is not a perfect place and I had hoped that you would have had the will to follow a practicable approach. DrunkenGerman (talk) 18:23, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

DrunkenGerman, I'm not the one complaining about something that is "not a big deal". Frietjes (talk) 18:50, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

your edits of TOCs of list-articles sectioned by U.S. states

On my watchlist and in your contribution history I see numerous edits by you to list-articles organized by U.S. state sections that use {{TOC US states}}, in favor of using {{Horizontal TOC}} which seem to have damaged the articles. Perhaps in your browser or in some other way, the edits may appear to be improvements to you? From what I see, they replace a compact, good TOC by a horribly long vertically-oriented two-line per state TOC. Perhaps the problem is also in your recent edits to the TOC US states template itself.

For example, this edit by you on List of Presbyterian churches in the United States.

Could you please explain what is going on, and possibly please self-revert yourself on these? I'll watch for reply here at least briefly, and otherwise will expect to revert you on all of them, to restore the articles' TOCs into reasonable form. I expect you were trying to make some improvement, but it didn't work. --doncram 21:15, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Doncram, does {{Horizontal TOC}} not work for you in articles? if not, which browser/OS are you using? Frietjes (talk) 21:22, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

The Horizontal TOC template displays wrong on Chrome for Windows (current version), even the example template on the template's page. It may be related to the recent change that displays empty bullets in bulleted lists.

When I load the Horizontal TOC template, I see this:

1. Usage

•

2. See also

I assume that is not the intent of the template. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:36, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Jonesey95, thank you. now we are getting somewhere. I tried Firefox and Internet Explorer and both look fine, so it seems to be an issue with Chrome. I will see if anyone has any ideas at WP:VPT. Frietjes (talk) 21:44, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

I am looking at it using Chrome. What appears is roughly:

Alabama
.
Arizona
. 
Arkansas
.
etc.

Whatever the Chrome-related problem is, it does not apply to use of the US states TOC template.

-- doncram 22:00, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Also, by your edit at my Talk page, are you trying to file a complaint, to criticize me, for posting here? And/or for not instantly replying to your reply?? I said I would watch here and I would have gotten back to it, but as you noticed I was editing elsewhere, which I am allowed to do.

And, yes, I checked at TFD and was commenting there at your nomination for deletion of a similar states template, for the Ukraine, based on reasonable concern raised by your edits to the U.S. states template and your multiple replacements of the U.S. states template use. I hope you will please reply to my questions there about the Ukraine template. -- doncram 22:00, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

User:Doncram, please comment at Problem with Horizontal TOC on Chrome. given that the Horizontal TOC template has over 500 transclusions, fixing that template on Chrome seems to be the best path forward. No, I was not filing any complaints, I was just concerned that your browser wasn't working and that you did not get ping notifications. again, the Ukraine TOC template has not had any transclusions in recent history. I did not orphan it. Frietjes (talk) 22:05, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Okay, thank you for explaining. By the way, another element contributing to my having some concern was that your multiple edits did not a meaningful edit summary. Not complaining, just explaining that the lack of edit summary itself caused concern, in conjunction with my not currently being familiar with you as an editor (probably we have had interactions in the past and/or I have otherwise been aware of you, but I was not remembering). I don't have anything to add to the VPT thread though, as the problem has been confirmed there.

I remain a tad concerned that some functionality from extra parameters set in the TOC US states template are being lost, but maybe those are in fact kludges to make that template work, which may add no value relative to simple usage of the horizontal TOC, i am not sure. It should be obvious to see about that, if the browser problem is fixed. thanks, --doncram 22:26, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

A deletion discussion you may be interested in

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Geological templates

Thanks for your edit re the <noinclude>.

I've done what I hope is the same at {{Geologic Ages Inline}} (which wasn't protected), so could you please check that I've done it correctly? --David Biddulph (talk) 18:26, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Template:Infobox help needed coordinates making box too wide

Hi, Frietjes. I'm having trouble with infobox sizing over at shooting of Jeremy Mardis. I would like to widen the upper infobox (infobox news event) to match the lower infobox (infobox settlement). Or, shrink the lower one. I tried conjoining some of the alleged shooters names together with non-breaking spaces but then the upper box got too wide. So then I tried appending non-breaking spaces in groups to the end of the longest name (Norris Greenhouse Jr.) but ganging spaces did not have any effect on the width. I also tried turning off the display of the coordinates of the lower box and turning the coordinates on in the upper box but they won't turn off in the lower box even if the values are rem'd out or the word "no" is used as a variable. I also tried using {{stack}} but that did nothing. I like the way everything looks now ... except the non-matching box widths. I even tried using the (infobox restaurant) but then it makes a subheading of "restaurant information" by default even if all values are left empty. Can you help me figure this out? Ping me back. Thank you. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 06:02, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Checkingfax, I moved the location map to the infobox. using {{infobox settlement}} screws up the microformats since this isn't a city/town. Frietjes (talk) 14:20, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Frietjes, Very subtle. Is there any way to center the map within the box? I know. Picky Cheers! PS: Sorry for pinging you on your own Talk page in the last message. My bad. {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 20:59, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Checkingfax, yes, my mistake, I should have centered it before. feel free to play around with the width. 250 looks good to me, but 265 might look better. Frietjes (talk) 21:07, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Frietjes, I tried 265 but the image is a tiny bit off center and 265 calls more attention to that so I left it at 250. At 250 it tromper l'oeil Also, prior to contacting you about the centering issue I had a few minutes to play with it but all my centering strategies failed. Thank you so much. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 00:49, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Template:Culture of Canada sidebar

perhaps this is just me but this edit makes the template take up more the half the page from my POV. At Culture of Canada only 3 words are on one line. -- Moxy (talk) 17:21, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Moxy, it should be 22em wide, which is the default for sidebars. can you provide more information, like browser and/or screenshot so I can try to reproduce the problem? Frietjes (talk) 18:29, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Ok I think its just me having a problem ...when I look at other ones I have the same problem. Since I am not seeing this right can I get you to make all the others like it the same ??.....Template:History of Canada sidebar - Template:Military history of Canada - Template:Indigenous Peoples of Canada. -- Moxy (talk) 18:45, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Moxy, sure, I can do that. can you tell me which browser/os you are using? I may be able to help you fix your problem. Frietjes (talk) 18:47, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Chrome....I think its because my wife changed the font size...going to read how to fix back to default. -- Moxy (talk) 18:49, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Moxy, oh, that may do it. the sidebar width is a function of the font width. Frietjes (talk) 18:50, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject template question

Greetings Frietjes, someone mentioned that you did some kind of programming logic change to the WikiProject banner templates that will autogenerate a list of articles in a WikiProject with invalid parameters. Does this mean that projects that have their own logic should be updated to remove the excess code? Thanks. Catnip the Elder (talk) 00:10, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Catnip the Elder, unsupported parameters passed to a template doesn't cause any serious harm. but, it usually indicates a misunderstanding of how the template works, or a misspelling of parameters. as far as I know, I did not personally add any logic to any banner templates to track unsupported parameters. what I did do was write a module which facilitates the tracking of unsupported parameters. I am assuming this is with regard to Category:Africa articles with invalid parameters? but, I don't see any templates using this? where is this used? Frietjes (talk) 14:36, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the quick reply. Yes the question is about that category for starters but it affects quite a few projects. I know that WikiProject United States has built in logic that could benefit from your module code and so could WikiProject Military history (people add the importance parameter a lot) and so could WikiProject Biography among others. If you could show me an example of how it works I could probably implement it in some of these other projects. Catnip the Elder (talk) 16:33, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Catnip the Elder, the module is module:check for unknown parameters. you need to have a list of all supported parameters, and the module does something if there is a parameter which is not on the list. would you like me to add it for the WikiProject Africa template? Frietjes (talk) 16:36, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, that would be great if you could do that. Catnip the Elder (talk) 19:03, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Catnip the Elder, done. it has already found some wrappers passing unknown parameters. the next step is to either (a) remove the parameter, or (b) have the tracking code ignore problem. I am having it ignore |auto= for now, which is not in the WP Africa banner template, but is being used by {{WikiProject Libya}}. Frietjes (talk) 21:53, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I think in the case of that, the Lybia template is wrong. The way it looks, its passing parameters for no reason by default. I think it would be better to convert it to a wrapper template like I did to Gambia and Niger and a bunch of others. I do agree we should leave |auto= parameter in place though, but I recommend updating the Africa template to include that. What do you think? I also attempted to duplicate what you did on WikiProject United States here. Would you mind taking a look to see if I did it right? Thank you again for the help. Catnip the Elder (talk) 22:51, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Catnip the Elder, I have a script that generates the list of all the parameters in a template, so I replaced your list with the auto generated one. if there are any which are in the template, but are deprecated, then you should definitely not include those. the other minor thing is make sure there are no newlines between the end of the template and the start of the tracking, and no newlines between the end of the tracking and the noinclude, or you can get spurious spaces around the banner. Frietjes (talk) 22:59, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Ok thanks, I see a bunch of the ones at the end for sure aren't supported by that template (such as PA, AK and NY) and there are some template parameters not showing in the list (presumably there aren't any articles with them). I see what it did, it pulled in those parameters because they were identified in the logic at the bottom of the template, but this logic says they are invalid parameters so I removed them. Catnip the Elder (talk) 23:04, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Catnip the Elder, yes, you are correct. I forgot to exclude the existing tracking before generating the list of parameters. the script orders them by first appearance in the template, so the false ones should be all at the end of the list I created. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 23:10, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much for creating the module and for the help. This is a big improvement over guessing at what shouldn't be there. Catnip the Elder (talk) 23:17, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Needs help

I like charts, mostly pie but also bar, and I really like shades of grey best - for normal purposes physically printing is just black‑and‑white (and shades of grey). But this really allow only ten shades of grey. I would like just a few options to make up to 15-ish. I think to extend to texture would do the trick. And I see that these days CSS background‑image can be specified. These are lots of different things can be made, but for use here I would just what two textures, and just left top to right bottom or the other way, and narrow chevron or wider.

So Frietjes, I won't if you could help. I want to enhance module:chart (bar and pie). The module have been written by the user-with-a-Hebrew-name, (name is קיפודנחש), s/he doesn't seem to be online very often. It seems easy enough, but the module code is a closed book as far as I can see. Do you be able to help?

Just all one or two colours, with direction 'left' or 'right', and 'thin' or 'thick'. I know this OK with IE, I don't know any browser.

– Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Mon 08:02, wikitime= 00:02, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

User:Unbuttered Parsnip, yes, the author is probably kipod (see history and talk for module:chessboard). we have interacted before, extremely nice and helpful editor. I can take a look, but probably not for a week due to backlog. Frietjes (talk) 00:07, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Frietjes (talk) I'll be going on holiday for three weeks, so I won't look into it until new year. I don't think anything difficult, just background‑image:repeating-linear-gradient by CSS. I just need it into module:Chart – Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Wed 05:09, wikitime= 21:09, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Teamwork Barnstar
	Thanks for monitoring the talk page for Module:College color/data and adding the support for references proactively. —Bagumba (talk) 02:46, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Want to add a parameter to Template:Subject bar but cannot find the right subpage

Hi, Frietjes. I want to add parameter d= to the template {{Subject bar}}

I cannot find the subpage to test edits on.

I want to add the Wikidata record to this page: Barack Obama. I already added d=Q76 to the External links section. Just need to enable d= from the template end. Since Q76 it's a Wikidata Q record I don't think we need a d-search= parameter too.

I know about the sandbox but the main template page has a piped page (|main) and I don't know how to get to |main to play with it. Ping me back. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 05:47, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Checkingfax, please start a thread at Template talk:Subject bar and ping me there. you should read this tfd, where the opinion that explicit linking to wikidata within the article is pointless, since there is already a wikidata link in the tools section on the left side of the page. Frietjes (talk) 14:47, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

also, the links are generated by Module:Subject bar, which was initially authored by Mr. Stradivarius, so you should probably ping him too. Frietjes (talk) 14:49, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!

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Masspurge

Hi! Is masspurge tool working? I tested it with Abdelhadi Habassa, but he is still appearing in IAAF ID not in Wikidata, which I'm trying to clean-up (with purging). And the "purge" button also hasn't changed to "Done", as it is with other mass editting tools. Windows 7 and Firefox (one of the latest) --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 13:44, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

User:Edgars2007, there was some API update that broke it about a month ago. I will try to fix it. it was based on another mass edit tool which is also broken (as far as I can tell). do you know of any mass scripts which are working? Frietjes (talk) 15:04, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

At lvwiki I'm using adapted (just some translating; no big difference in code) massdelete and massedit scripts, which are working perfectly fine. I think masspurge tool wasn't working also in August (Special:Diff/677925139). --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 15:14, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

User:Edgars2007, I made the same change that was made to the massedit in August. it looks like it works now. Frietjes (talk) 15:20, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it's working. Thanks. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 15:30, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

105

Maybe you can help with Misplaced Pages:CHECKWIKI/105 dump too? Mainly broken headers. Example. In some cases is a header that expands in multiple lines. Example. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:25, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Magioladitis, possibly, but I am leaving for a week-long vacation in about an hour, so probably not for awhile. it seems like it's pretty simple to fix, so I am sure you can handle it :) Frietjes (talk) 14:31, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

OK. Have a nice time on vacation! I am starting mine in two weeks! -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:34, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

thanks. I wish mine was in 2 weeks instead. I have way too much work to do before Christmas ... Frietjes (talk) 14:39, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Levantino Spanish talk

Please we need with a possibly unbiased appreciation that you could help, to have a consensus or better yet, the better name seeing the two tesis or three of the name, or create a new one, we need you in the Talk:Levantino Spanish. thanks.--Vvven (talk) 02:11, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject_Oklahoma

Hey, I'm an experienced editor but am not an expert on templates. I notice you were the last editor to touch the WikiProject Oklahoma template here earlier this week. Either your edit or the prior edits by User:Swpb have definitely broken something, the template doesn't display properly at all now. Good example, take a look at Talk:Oklahoma_State_Highway_30. Could you take a look at the template and figure out what's wrong? I couldn't make any sense of it. Thanks! --Krelnik (talk) 22:30, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

UPDATE: Someone else noticed the problem when I called it to Swpb's attention, and fixed it already. Cheers. --Krelnik (talk) 03:04, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

BLM

Did you remove the colors on the Black Lives Matter navbar?Mangokeylime (talk) 23:08, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings

	Seasons Greetings
	Christmas! Christmas, everywhere, on every talk page, I do dispair Seasons being greeted and Wikibreaks told, but still time for a little more editing, for being WP:BOLD! So go on, go forth and enjoy beyond concern Your Wiki will be waiting for when you return. Buster Seven Talk 19:42, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

This card was designed by User:Samtar

Season's Greetings

To You and Yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 14:05, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Infobox graphic novel

Can you please tweak {{Infobox graphic novel}} so that it does not transclude ISBNT but instead use a trick similar to {{Infobox book}}? -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:15, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

And please make it that pages with ISBN error to be reported at Category:CS1 errors: ISBN. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:32, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Magioladitis, what should we do when the input isn't an ISBN or even potentially an ISBN? the old behaviour for template:Infobox book was to just return the input with no processing. however, we could add these to a tracking category for cleanup? typically, extra stuff appended to the isbn (including additional ISBNs) can be moved to |ISBN note=, so in theory, they should all be fixable. Frietjes (talk) 18:49, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Exactly. We should expect plain ISBN numbers in |isbn= the same way we do in citation templates. All extra info should be moved or stripped. We need a tracking category to fix all these. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:51, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Magioladitis, Category:Pages using infobox book with an invalid isbn, what should we do with |isbn=NA? Frietjes (talk) 19:00, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

I think we should remove it the same way we remove it from citations. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:04, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

sounds good. you can probably start changing 'isbn = ISBN 0-1-...-X' to 'isbn = 0-1-...-X' now, which will probably fix about half of them. if there is anything after the ISBN, we will want to move that to |ISBN_note=. Frietjes (talk) 19:13, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Bot is running. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:19, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

It turns we opened a huge can of worms. -- 19:26, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Magioladitis, to avoid make two-passes, can you handle the ISBN notes as well? Frietjes (talk) 19:29, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

My method adds empty isbn_note. I have to think of the approach. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:43, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Magioladitis, try something like this, replace

((?:ISBN|isbn)*=*)(?:ISBN*|)(+X)() with $1$2|isbn_note = $3 first, and then replace ((?:ISBN|isbn)*=*)ISBN*(+X)*(?(?:\||\}\})) with $1$2$3

Frietjes (talk) 19:48, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Not working.... -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:56, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

I keep finding minor problems. (Example) or cases where both ISBN versions are given and only the one is needed. I think it's better that we do the remaining pages semi-manually. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:05, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Sporkbot is fixing the obvious cases and I removed all NA cases. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:37, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Less than 100 left to be fixed. I won't be much online for the next 2 weeks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:53, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

I hope this helps: Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Check Misplaced Pages/ISBN errors. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:10, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:01, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Infobox NFL player

I can clean all the unsupported parameters using AWB. Just tell me what to do. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:05, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Magioladitis, thanks. let me check that there is no chance of them being re-introduced, and I will let you know. some of the unsupported parameters may be added, so we won't want to remove those. Frietjes (talk) 18:08, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Technical Barnstar
	For improving ISBN checks! Magioladitis (talk) 18:58, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Merry Christmas, Frietjes!

And may all your days be merry and bright . . . Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:18, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

WP:Deviations and colors for templates

Hi, Frietjes!

I notice that several blue and pink colors I had placed in some gender-oriented templates had been removed. I was not certain why this was, but I found some edits which stated:

• 1. Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Accessibility#Styles and markup options - I am not certain why it was linked. Do you feel the colors are difficult to see/view?
• 2. https://gsa.uk.com/

I am not sure why this was linked. I checked the website and it doesn't seem to give any information that would explain why the colors should be removed.

Thank you, WhisperToMe (talk) 11:15, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

WhisperToMe, the use of pink for girls and blue for boys is sexist. notice that even https://gsa.uk.com/ uses blue. the first line of WP:DEVIATIONS is "In general, styles for tables and other block-level elements should be set using CSS classes, not with inline style attributes." in other words, use the default provided by the stylesheet. Frietjes (talk) 12:46, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

1. Who says it is sexist? gsa.uk.com may use blue, but it doesn't say why. Anyway, I could easily point to Detroit International Academy for Young Women which extensively features pink and names its mascot "The Pink Panthers" ... is that sexist? Is the school wrong for doing that?

2. Plenty of U.S. college and university templates use colors instead of the default. If the issue is a lack of a stylesheet, then a pink one should be written for woman-related topics and so on.

WhisperToMe (talk) 13:02, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

WhisperToMe, we don't need to perpetuate sexist stereotypes. anyone who is actually reading WP will be able to read that it says "girl" or "boy". you might find this article interesting on the origin and harm of the sexist colour classification. Frietjes (talk) 13:07, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

From that link it says that the use of pink can backfire in some cases, but it's not always negative.

* "Even the association of pink with femininity today can backfire if it’s not used in the right way. Pink is often used for breast cancer campaigns, but researchers at Erasmus University Rotterdam found that when women were shown adverts dominated by the colour pink, they were in fact less likely to think they’d contract breast cancer themselves or to donate money to a cancer charity. The authors don’t believe this was because they hated the colour pink, but because when they were reminded of their gender so overtly, the adverts felt so personally threatening that it set off denial mechanisms.

* But there is one way at least in which pink can be useful for both women and men. Back in 2002 researchers in Switzerland who were keen to increase the response rate to surveys, found that printing questionnaires on coloured paper made no difference, unless the paper was pink, in which case 12% more people filled it in."

The use of pink can be beneficial to topics about women if it can attract more people to the topic, as long as it doesn't set of the denial mechanisms.

I never said that it was biological or inherent and the usage in the templates doesn't say that either. It is an artificial cultural idea. The idea of girls being represented by pink and boys being represented by blue started in France around maybe the late 1800s (I don't remember what date), but even in the 1920s the colors in the U.S. were reversed (blue was for girls, not boys). However it's 2015, not 1920. The idea that pink is used to represent women/femininity has been adopted by the entire industrialized world: Latin America, China, United States, Japan, etc. In my view Misplaced Pages's job is to follow what average readers associate with gender, not to tell readers that it's wrong.

I would like to have a further discussion about this on a certain forum: perhaps the WikiProject Women page?

WhisperToMe (talk) 13:20, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

WhisperToMe, sure feel free to have a wider discussion. this is usually a good idea before changing all navigation boxes from the default. Frietjes (talk) 13:21, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

In one case (I think a feminism box or something) I had changed that one to pink. But it didn't seem like a controversial move because other navboxes do use colors (U.S. college and university templates, which use the school colors) and have done so for quite some time. In other cases the colors were externally applied (the "... in..." series), and in other cases I had established the templates myself with the intention of covering a topic by gender "women's prisons" or "girls' schools". WhisperToMe (talk) 13:31, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

WhisperToMe, for colleges and universities there are citations for the exact RGB values. see threads at Module talk:College color, for example. Frietjes (talk) 13:44, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

That would make a lot of sense, since there's one institution that controls what the official color is and it is very paricular on what shade. AFAIK there is no one institution that controls the societal idea of which color is associated with which gender. In regards to whether that needs a citation, it might even be in the "Paris is the capital of France" family of common sense ideas which don't need citations. WhisperToMe (talk) 13:47, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

I started a discussion here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women#Use_of_pink_in_templates_about_women.27s_topics.2C_feminism.2C_etc.3F - Please take a look WhisperToMe (talk) 13:55, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

London Borough templates: tube and rail stations discussion open

Hello and a Happy Christmas. Thanks for your recent contributions, improving London's coverage. I would like to invite you to: Category talk:London borough templates.- Adam37 Talk 15:35, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Color module for Tennessee Volunteers

Hi, Frietjes. Small problem here. The Tennessee Volunteers team colors are orange and white. Bold white text reversed out of Tennessee orange looks fine to my naked 20/40 eyes and my 20/20 corrected vision, but only renders a color-contrast ratio of something like 2.5 to 1 (not even AA-compliant). Most, if not all, of the team navbox templates are defaulted to white text on orange background, and no one complains, but there have been several edit wars regarding the contrast per WP:COLOR over rivalry series tables, with Tennessee alumni and fans inevitably preferring white text over black. Is there any way we could add a black or gray outline to the white text to achieve the AAA color contrast, while preserving the white text? No rush. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:07, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Dirtlawyer1 Tennessee? Who cares :) I thought you were one of those evil Floriduh nuts. Go Dawgs! Bgwhite (talk) 05:04, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

@Bgwhite: After the Gators have won three national championships, 8 SEC titles, and 20 of the last 26 games over Tennessee in the past 25 years, I think we can afford to show a little noblesse oblige, my canine friend. Besides, getting their school colors right is a very small thing at the end of the day. Go Dawgs, indeed. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 07:14, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Small historical note, Tennessee wore black every year before 1922, e. g. 1913 team (first season with jersey numbers too). I've been having trouble making the Oglethorpe Stormy Petrels' colors both legible and show up in the navbox and infoboxes. I had a similar problem with Centre College's black and yellow scheme and somebody other than me fixed it somehow. Cake (talk) 12:19, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

The Petrels navboxes and tables should be easy, Cake: black background, white text, gold highlights. No better contrast than white text on a black background. If this is still a problem, please ping me on my user page. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:22, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Dirtlawyer1, above is an example using my limited CSS skills. note that all this extra stuff would be merged into the main module, so don't use this directly. someone like User:Redrose64 or User:Edokter could certainly come up with a better way to add a text outline. Frietjes (talk) 17:30, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Not really... Text-shadow is pretty much the staple for outlining. There is -webkit-text-stroke, but has no wide support. -- ] {{talk}} 18:29, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Made a little CSS3 template, {{text-outline}}, simulating the never-implemented text-outline property. -- ] {{talk}} 18:52, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Frietjes and Edoktor. That's a pretty darn good start. As a general rule, we normally use white text reversed out of the darker of the two team colors for the college sports navboxes, and use the lighter team color for the highlight 2-point tool-line that surrounds the navbox exterior (Frietjes is familiar, since she has done most of the coding for the college color module, as well as the varsity stripe graphic that was developed for Infobox college football player.) We also have a related, but different problem regarding the lighter color in the varsity stripe graphic and also in the navbox highlight tool-line when the lighter color is either a pale yellow or gold, or an off-white color like cream or ivory. Would it be possible to add a black or gray "shadow" to these highlight colors, so that we can use them as part of the varsity stripe graphic and navbox borders? The example that comes readily to mind are the team colors for the Oklahoma Sooners, which are crimson and cream. A 2 or 3-point cream highlight disappears in the surrounding white background without some kind of dividing line. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:18, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

BTW, the series record table of the Florida–Tennessee football rivalry article provides an example of the color contrast problem in the original context mentioned above. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:47, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

@Edokter, Frietjes, and Redrose64: What do we need to do to implement this as a generalized solution for Module:College color? Please advise. We have several teams whose primary colors are orange and white, and a few others whose primaries are white and light to medium blue, which are not AAA color contrast compliant. If we could highlight the white text with a black or navy blue highlight/silhouette, we could preserve the correct team colors. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 05:12, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

I would personally avoid the coloured background because of the huge potential for WP:CONTRAST problems, and concentrate on a method which involves areas that are clear of text and other links. This might be the top and bottom borders, as seen at David Sheppard#External links - here, the "England Test cricket captains" infobox violates WP:CONTRAST, not because of the contrast between text and background, but because the links are not clearly identifiable as links. The "Bishops of ..." infoboxes are much better, because the links are the "natural" blue colour, and the contrast between that and white is excellent. Alternatively, you could put the colour at the sides, as seen at London Paddington station#External links - if you open up the "Links to related articles" box, you will see these coloured areas, also how they cause the "v-t-e" and "show" links to misalign. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:59, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Biographies of filmmakers

Hello! Just a reminder, the Film project does not cover biography articles. Therefore, the {{WikiProject Film}} banner should not be added to articles about actors, directors and filmmakers. Those articles are covered by adding |filmbio-work-group=yes to {{WikiProject Biography}} instead. Thanks! Fortdj33 (talk) 19:00, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Template:Listen plain=yes

Hi, Frietjes, why are plain=yes instances in Template:Listen called out in a hidden category? Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 23:35, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Checkingfax, I believe we were investigating the difference between |plain=yes and |embed=yes, since both may be used in infoboxes, but the embed version should work better for embedding in infoboxes, as far as I can tell. Frietjes (talk) 13:03, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Frietjes. Sorry not to have left you a page that I noticed it on: Michael Laucke. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 13:20, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Frietjes!

(Charles R. Knight, 1922)

Frietjes, I wish you and those dear to you golden days of love and joy in a Happy New Year 2016! Best regards, Me-123567-Me (talk) 23:40, 1 January 2016 (UTC) Pass on!Send this greeting by adding {{subst:User:Sam Sailor/Templates/HappyNewYear}} to user talk pages. Automatic level-2 heading and auto-signing included.

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Template:WikiProject Australia

How can we track duplicated parameters in Template:WikiProject Australia? I am mainly interested if some pages contain |v8= and |V8= simultaneously. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:36, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)

{{#if:{{{V8|}}}|{{#if:{{{v8|}}}|(tracking cat goes here)}} }}

--Redrose64 (talk) 23:42, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

In general I would like to know if there are any duplicated parameters that do not use the same name. I think we should get rid of the alternative names... -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:21, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) That template has a long history of parameter name aliases and pseudo-aliases. Some of the parameter name tests are nested, and some are adjacent. I don't know if that is intentional. Here's a list of all of the aliases that I found in the template's code:

{{{acotf|}}}{{{ACOTF|}}}{{{collaboration-candidate|}}}
{{{AFL-importance|{{{afl-importance|}}}}}}
{{{afl|{{{AFL|}}}}}}
{{{aleague|{{{football|}}}}}}
{{{Antarctic-importance|{{{antarctic-importance|{{{AAT-importance|{{{aat-importance|}}}}}}}}}}}}
{{{Antarctic|{{{antarctic|{{{AAT|{{{aat|}}}}}}}}}}}}
{{{biota-importance|{{{fauna-importance|}}}}}}
{{{biota|{{{fauna|}}}}}}
{{{Canberra-importance|{{{ACT-importance|{{{act-importance|}}}}}}}}}
{{{Canberra|{{{ACT|{{{act|}}}}}}}}}
{{{cinema-importance|{{{film-importance|}}}}}}
{{{cinema|{{{film|}}}}}}
{{{education-importance|{{{edu-importance|}}}}}}
{{{education|{{{edu|}}}}}}
{{{football|{{{aleague|}}}}}}
{{{Law-importance|{{{law-importance|}}}}}}
{{{law|{{{Law|}}}}}}
{{{motorsport-importance|{{{V8-importance|{{{v8-importance|}}}}}}}}}
{{{motorsport|{{{v8|{{{V8|}}}}}}}}}
{{{motorsport|}}}{{{V8|}}}{{{v8|}}}
{{{nbl-importance|{{{NBL-importance|{{{basketball-importance|}}}}}}}}}
{{{nbl|{{{NBL|{{{basketball|}}}}}}}}}
{{{nbl|}}}{{{NBL|}}}{{{basketball|}}}
{{{NSW-importance|{{{nsw-importance|}}}}}}
{{{NSW|{{{nsw|}}}}}}
{{{NT-importance|{{{nt-importance|}}}}}}
{{{NT|{{{nt|}}}}}}
{{{nys-importance|{{{nys-importance|}}}}}}
{{{NYS|}}}{{{nys|}}}
{{{past-ACOTF|}}}{{{past-collaboration|}}}
{{{places-importance|{{{place-importance|}}}}}}
{{{places|{{{place|}}}}}}
{{{QLD-importance|{{{qld-importance|{{{Queensland-importance|}}}}}}}}}
{{{QLD|{{{qld|{{{Queensland|}}}}}}}}}
{{{Riverina-importance|{{{riverina-importance|}}}}}}
{{{riverina|{{{Riverina|}}}}}}
{{{Riverina|}}}{{{riverina|}}}
{{{SA-importance|{{{sa-importance|}}}}}}
{{{SA|{{{sa|}}}}}}
{{{tas|{{{TAS|{{{Tasmania|}}}}}}}}}
{{{Tasmania-importance|{{{TAS-importance|{{{tas-importance|}}}}}}}}}
{{{Tasmania|}}}{{{TAS|}}}{{{tas|}}}
{{{television-importance|{{{tv-importance|}}}}}}
{{{television|{{{tv|}}}}}}
{{{vic|{{{VIC|{{{Victoria|}}}}}}}}}
{{{Victoria-importance|{{{vic-importance|{{{VIC-importance|}}}}}}}}}
{{{Victoria|}}}{{{vic|}}}{{{VIC|}}}
{{{WA-importance|{{{wa-importance|{{{Perth-importance|}}}}}}}}}
{{{WA|{{{wa|{{{Perth|}}}}}}}}}

I don't know of an easy way to test for all of those. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:59, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

You can track them by copying these edits to the main template, and then if a page has |v8= as well as |V8= - whatever their values - the page will be put in Category:WikiProject Australia banners with redundant parameters. Do something similar for the other aliased params. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:55, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

IPA0

Hello Frietjes, thank you for your work cleaning up after deleted templates. Now I'm just curious what was going on with Template:IPA0(edit talk links history). The diff shows that I was experimenting with it just last November, but that's strange, since the template appears to have been deleted over seven years ago, as the deletion log says:

• 20:33, May 4, 2008 Kwamikagami (talk | contribs | block) deleted page Template:IPA0 (not used.) (view/restore)

Do you know when this template was (last) deleted? It's not worth spending more than 5 minutes on, but it would be nice if I could understand this riddle. — Sebastian 07:40, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

fullurl

Please review my edit. It is not 100% correct. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:58, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

fullurl only works for pages within English Misplaced Pages. You're trying to link the Croatian Misplaced Pages - but see WP:CIRCULAR. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:17, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Fixed. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 12:20, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. --- Magioladitis (talk) 08:07, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Error with infobox oil field

Hi, Frietjes. User:Kilon22 raised an issue that {{infobox oil field}} converts tonnes to barrels incorrectly (see the notice here. There should be some kind of error in the infobox code but I am not able to find it myself. Can you help with this or to you know any other editor who s able to fix it? User:Jimp maybe? Thank you in advance. Beagel (talk) 17:26, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

For |est_oil_t=5.7 the display is

Estimated oil in place 5.7 million tonnes
(~ 2.3×10^ m or 14 MMbbl)

So it's in the calculation {{#expr:(5.7*33.4+131.5)/22.4966605}} --Redrose64 (talk) 17:39, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Beagel and User:Redrose64, thank you, looks like the parenthesis was misplaced per API gravity. after the fix, we now match the reverse conversion from {{bbl to t|42|mlt=M}}. Frietjes (talk) 21:19, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing it. Beagel (talk) 21:32, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Why do I have a red thing on my starting site? I tried to help and now I get something like a penalty?! Kilon22 (talk) 17:38, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Density in convert template

I noticed you changed the density of timber in List of Indian timber trees to convert template, but the units of kg/m3 got changed into km/m3. I corrected the error there, but e.g. if you used some kind of script, please check if it could have made more errors like this elsewhere... Prot D (talk) 11:32, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Prot D, thanks for finding the error. for that one, I used simple 'search/replace' typed in by hand, which explains why I screwed it up. we could have {{convert}} add a tracking category for unusual conversions, but (if I recall) there are some valid cases for converting from length/area (or length/volume). Frietjes (talk) 15:15, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

OK. Yes, I checked the data definition used by {{convert}} and there's "volume per unit length" in "m3/km", so I guess there could be its inverse as well. Prot D (talk) 16:03, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Your Double Standards

Why you are removing colors from Template:Pakistan Super League? You are the same user who added this style on Template:Indian Premier League than why double standards? Anjana Larka 05:55, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

problem solved. Frietjes (talk) 14:15, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Technical issue

Hi Frietjas. I'm encountering an issue with Template:American Experience episodes. I've made edits to the template, but they are not appearing in other articles with the template added them.

Examples include American Experience (season 28) - the number 28 does not appear as the most current season. Nor does content about season 28 appear beneath it. See American Experience (season 27) to contrast difference between the two articles.

Second example, American Experience (season 12) - I made an edit to correct "John Brown John Brown's Holy War" to "John Brown's Holy War" on 06:34, 15 January 2016, but it still appears.

I've been seeing these issues for at least a few weeks. Originally, they appeared to be short delays in edit changes, but now appear to be an indefinite delay. What do I do? Thanks. Mitchumch (talk) 15:00, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Mitchumch, try asking at WP:VPT. it could be a server caching issue. Frietjes (talk) 15:14, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Mitchumch, you can always try to force a recaching of the page by (1) opening the page in edit mode (2) make no changes and (3) press save. Frietjes (talk) 15:15, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I performed both suggestions. The forced recaching worked, but that edit should not have been necessary. Any explanation for what happened? Thanks again. Mitchumch (talk) 15:29, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

you aren't the only one, see here for example. Frietjes (talk) 18:21, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Infobox styles

Hi Frietjes. Good day to you. If you don't mind, could you explain to me what are the parameter(s) used to change the infobox style? For example, the designs of Infobox power station and Infobox settlement are totally different, but they both seems to use {{Infobox}}. How is this done? Sorry for the silly question, I just cant seem to find it... Rehman 09:24, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Another example of a different design: Columbia River. Rehman 09:26, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

User:Rehman, the key here is that settlement and geobox are both using |bodyclass=geography or something that includes that class. the style associated with the geography class can be found in MediaWiki:Common.css. note that you can get something similar for non-geography infoboxes by using |bodyclass=bordered, but that adds borders between all cells. however, you can override that part of the style. to remove the border between particular rows, you need to set the rowclass to either 'mergedrow', 'mergedtoprow' or 'mergedbottomrow'. the logic gets very complicated, so it may be easier to just use |bodystyle=border-collapse:collapse and add the borders at the top of the headers. I am posting some examples above/right. Frietjes (talk) 15:07, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the detailed reply, Frietjes. It is very helpful. Best regards, Rehman 07:14, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Trying to get rid of the table

400-series highways. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:39, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Please check Waseem Bhatti too. It contains a trick to add two urls in one place. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:36, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Histidine (data page) uses headers as parameters. i.e. Equal sign confusions Is anything we can do about it? -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:15, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

fixed Frietjes (talk) 13:53, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Me and Bgwhite created list of pages that have citation templates with |id= that contains an ISBN number while the the template contains a |isbn= too. There are 2,000 pages. Would you be interested to check it? It's in User:Magioladitis/sandbox. In most cases two types of the same isbn. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:52, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Bgwhite isn't interested in communicating with me and generally doesn't understand why making me go through a lengthy DRV to overturn a G6 is a problem. I am still waiting for an apology that I will probably never get. life is too short to waste it working with people who don't appreciate what I am doing. Frietjes (talk) 15:00, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

I am working with both of you and I really enjoy it. I am pretty sure that there is some misunderstanding and it will resolve soon. If there is any way I can help I would like to do it. Btw, It was my idea to contact you about this list and I did not have any prior discussion about it with Bgwhite. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:29, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

good luck. Frietjes (talk) 16:31, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

I never said I didn't want to talk to you. I said the discussion was over. I've contacted you a couple times on your talk page since then with questions that you never answered. I appreciate what you are doing. I've said thank you multiple times. I've told Magioladitis that you are a computer, because of how fast and relentless you are at fixing errors. I've called you the Borg, because resistance is futile for any error. I understood your position on the template, which is why I said I would restore it after the user's block was over on dewiki. I would have restored it before the DRV would have gotten over. As I told you repeatedly, it was not personal, don't take it personally and it was about the block evader. BTW, The user has been blocked multiple times since then, which included articles that he worked on enwiki with the template. If you want to punish me by never answering my questions again, that is your prerogative. If you think I'm solely at fault, that is your prerogative. If you want to think I was out to get you and not the block evader, that is your prerogative. But, don't take it out on Magioladitis. Refusing to help him to punish me is not cool. Don't take it out on the errors. Not wanting to help on Magioladitis' error fixes serves no purpose. I cleaned out over 20 deprecated category lists and you refused my questions and did not want to help fix the infoboxes. I asked Plastikspork about the infoboxes. He said he was mostly inactive and to ask you. So, infoboxes stand uncorrected and I stopped fixing those categories. Bgwhite (talk) 22:09, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Bgwhite, I would like evidence for "I've contacted you a couple times on your talk page since then with questions that you never answered." searching the history of my talk page for contributions from you I find which is where you informed me that you had deleted a template that I "re-created it for a blocked user on dewiki to stage the stuff that he was blocked there for" (which is false), and the next message from you is here which I immediately answered here. after that there is this thread, so where are the other times you contacted me on my talk page since then? were they deleted from the talk page history? let's review the sequence of events (1) you deleted a template that I created as WP:CSD#G6. from the linked page, G6 is for uncontroversial maintenance. (2) I asked you to undelete the template, which by definition means that it is not "uncontroversial". (3) you told me that I had to wait for XaviYuahanda (talk · contribs) to be unblocked on the German Misplaced Pages before you would undelete it. (4) I told you that I didn't create it for XaviYuahanda (talk · contribs) (5) you refused to believe this because XaviYuahanda (talk · contribs) told you otherwise. (6) at that point we had reached an impasse. you refused to take my word over XaviYuahanda. the confounding part about all of this is that even if I did create it for XaviYuahanda, which I didn't, G6 still doesn't apply. you decided to have all the power in this transaction. you decided that I must wait for XaviYuahanda to be unblocked to have a template I created undeleted. (7) so, I decided to get a second opinion by going through DRV, and finally I was able to have the template I created undeleted. now that the template is undeleted we can see how useful it is when left "unsubstituted". it throws an error message telling the user to substitute it, returning no actual content. you say "I understood your position on the template", but clearly you didn't. my position was that I was using it and that it should be immediately undeleted, since G6 didn't apply. Frietjes (talk) 14:45, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

We can go over this all you want. Time after time I've said this is because of the blocked user, but you won't believe me and I'm scum. I didn't want to recreate the template because that is what they wanted. He even thanked you when it was restored. I compromised and said I would recreate the template after the person's block was over. You refused and went to DRV. A template that hasn't been there for years suddenly needed to be recreated and not wait a week. The template would have been restored before the DRV procedure was over, but you still went to DRV. He transferred articles created here and was blocked again. On this page, you said, "...have you extended my punishment?" about not restoring the template. I was never punishing you. I didn't extended anything because you refused my offer and went to DRV. I said on my talk page, "I never said and I don't think you are collaborating with a blocked user. You didn't know they were blocked. I DID NOT REFUSE. I said after the 15th. You still haven't said why this can't wait 6 days and you MUST have it now." I don't know how many times I can say this, but this had nothing to do with you. I wasn't punishing you. I said before in November and again now, it has nothing to do with you. You think I'm lying, only did this to go after you and nothing I can say or do will change your mind.

I asked questions here and brought it up 5 times here.

No matter how many times I say I wasn't after you, you think I'm lying. No matter how many times I say how wonderful you are for what you are doing around here, you won't listen. There is nothing I can say or do because I'm scum, to be hated and to be punished. Fine, but this is still not a reason to turn your back on Magioladitis and punish him. It's still not a reason to fix things because I had a hand in it. Nothing I say or do will change your mind, but don't extend that to other people and bugs. As you think I'm a pile of shit, wanted "... to have all the power in this transaction and won't deal with me ever again, I won't respond here anymore and let you go onto more important things. I won't bug you ever again. You are always welcome on my talk page or to ask me things. Bgwhite (talk) 07:38, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Help

Thanks for rescuing me again in moving a template, Template:Rivers and streams of Portland, Oregon. However, I'm still flummoxed. I want the name "Rivers and streams of Portland, Oregon" to appear at the top of the navbox. My attempts to make that happen seem to have created a new mess. See Fanno Creek, for example. Can you take another look and perhaps fix the problem? I would be grateful. Finetooth (talk) 19:21, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

In a navbox, the displayed name in the top stripe is set by the |title= parameter and is independent of the template's name. The |name= parameter is used to set the v-t-e links top left, and should normally be exactly the same as the template's name, omitting the "Template:" part. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:29, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. All is well again. Finetooth (talk) 21:14, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Cookies makes me happy. I hope hey make you too :) Magioladitis (talk) 22:43, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Record label navboxes

Hello, there are a load of record label navboxes with current rosters, etc at Category:Record label templates, which to my mind are not suitable for inclusion. What's your take on that? I see you made this nomination a while back. --Rob Sinden (talk) 16:57, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Rob Sinden, my opinion is that, in general, the current roster of artists should be deleted. if that completely empties the navbox, then the navbox should be deleted as well. the most recent precedent is this discussion. Frietjes (talk) 17:23, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Exactly what I was looking for. --Rob Sinden (talk) 09:00, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Guanín (bronze)

An article that you have been involved in editing—Guanín (bronze) —has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Anomalocaris (talk) 20:28, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Disruptive edits on the Electoral Systems Template

Hello Frietjes,

User:BalCoder is vandalizing the Electoral Systems Template again. Sometimes this user edits while logged out in order to avoid getting blocked due to edit-warring. Please help me police this article. Ontario Teacher BFA BEd (talk) 18:10, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Animal killing

Hi Frietjes. Why is Animal killing in this category: Category:CS1 maintenance ? Ping me back. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 06:43, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

UPDATE: Category:CS1 maint: Extra text Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 06:54, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

@Checkingfax:  Fixed. It had unneeded text in one of the refs. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 09:02, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Infobox pipeline

Hi, Frietjes. There seems to be some kind of expression error problem with the {{Infobox pipeline}}. Could you please look at it? Also, maybe you could add the 'status' field to this infobox like we have for {{Infobox power station}}? Thank you in advance. Beagel (talk) 19:14, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

@Beagel: if articles are fine, then you don't have to worry about those red warnings in templates. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 19:46, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

although, we can certainly fix the display in the documentation as well. Frietjes (talk) 21:00, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your replies. Beagel (talk) 21:04, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Beagel, will add a status parameter in a moment. Frietjes (talk) 21:06, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Hello

Hello @Frietjes: How you give tagged in Here Please Explain me thank Arifys (talk) 04:52, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Rob Jones (footballer, born 1979)

Hi, just wondering why you moved the references into the Reference section with this edit? It makes it more time-consuming to find the reference when in edit mode, and I'm also mindful of WP:BROKE. Thanks, Mattythewhite (talk) 17:26, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Mattythewhite, easier to read the prose. move them back if you don't like it. Frietjes (talk) 17:27, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Frietjes, I don't know, how you do that, but you maybe will be interested in this tool. OK, now it gives error 500, but it really helps out in these cases. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 18:19, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

The right link :D --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 12:11, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Please add "years.*" to User:Frietjes/findargdups/status

Please add "years.*" to User:Frietjes/findargdups/status. A list for "year" mixed with "years.*" would be confusing to work through, but if we knock out the "years.*" list first, then I would love to work on "year". Thanks.

I don't have the time or patience to do 100+ per day like you are doing, but I can pick off five or ten at a time. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:33, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Jonesey95, will add that shortly. I am pretty sure the list already includes years, but I usually fix them all before posting the scan results. Frietjes (talk) 23:36, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

In the list of Most common args, I'm seeing "years" and "years_active". A list of "years.*" would include those and shouldn't be too long. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:41, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

No Land's Song

Would you please take a look at the critical reception section. These are all lifts from the reviews. The formatting is off, as they are not in quotes. More importantly, have we transgressed fair use? I think the article has potential as a DYK, but I expect problems. Thanks. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:58, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

User:7&6=thirteen, yes, I agree that they could be cut down and merged together as prose with proper quotation syntax. I don't really have time to do it at the moment. Frietjes (talk) 15:01, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Understood. Thanks for the second set of eyes. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:03, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Other editors' sandboxes

You seem to me making a lot of edits to other peoples' sandboxes; while this isn't expressly forbidden, it's generally bad practice as a lot of the "errors" you're fixing are probably people testing out templates in userspace (and it's generally also bad manners to edit other peoples' userspace without discussion). You should probably limit whatever script you're using to mainspace only, and if it's a bot get approval for it at WP:BRFA. ‑ Iridescent 16:35, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

the script finds the duplicate parameters, but doesn't edit the pages. the edits are manual, nothing that a bot could do. Frietjes (talk) 17:47, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Reference errors on 13 February

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Template bg color

Hi Frietjes. Sorry to bother you with something so simple. What is the bg color for the templates at the top of this talk page? Talk:Al-Shaykh Al-Mufid. It looks like FFF something but I cannot narrow it down. Ping me back. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 08:19, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

@Checkingfax: those Wikipeoject templates?   #f8eaba --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 10:48, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes Frietjes, Edgars2007. or any other (talk page stalker). The WikiProject template boxes. The color worked great. Thank you. Now, what is the width of the boxes? ≈900px looks good on my screen but does not look good on other editor's screens especially if they run their screen at 110% or 150% magnification. Also, there is a white border just inside the black border. Is there a way to lose that? Trying to make the GOCE template blend in nicely, while being hatted. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 04:04, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Well, all those talk page templates (in generally) have the same rules for how they look. These templates are 80% of page width. But GOCE template is in {{collapse top}}, which is 564px width. About white border - maybe, but I'm not sure. I would say, that collapse top/bottom templates aren't needed there. But OK, that's my viewpoint. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 04:32, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Checkingfax: The GOCE template at Talk:Al-Shaykh Al-Mufid is {{GOCE}}, which is a redirect to {{WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors}}. This template, like most WikiProject banners, is built around {{WPBannerMeta}} so already has the appropriate colours and dimensions, and is suitable for enclosure within {{WikiProject banner shell}} or similar if collapsing is desired. By "hatted", do you mean enclosed in {{hat}}/{{hab}}? None of the WikiProject banner templates are intended for enclosure in either that, or in {{collapse top}}/{{collapse bottom}}; all of them will behave strangely if so treated. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:35, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Redirect categorization

Hi Frietjes! You've been interested in redirect categorization and the This is a redirect template in the past, so I wanted to let you know that there is a discussion at Template talk:This is a redirect#One parameter that might interest you.  Good faith! Paine  20:49, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Barnstar for you

		The Template Barnstar
		Thanks a lot for merging {{Infobox Jain temple}} with {{Infobox religious building}}. You deserve this. -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 19:02, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Infobox:Mosque

Can you please have a look at {{Infobox mosque}} ? It was proposed to be merged long age. -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 05:35, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Capankajsmilyo, seems fairly easy to do; just need to add a couple parameters. will do it later today. Frietjes (talk) 14:35, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Edit request

Hi Frietjes. This Module is not protected. Can you edit it to add a border parameter? Module:Image arrayModule:Multiple image. It serves Template:Image arrayTemplate:Multiple image. Ping me back. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 10:26, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Checkingfax, assuming you meant standard image borders, use |borderX=1. if you meant a border around the outside of the entire array, try the embedding feature mentioned in the documentation. Frietjes (talk) 14:33, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Frietjes. OK. I am dense. How to implement |borderX=1, say here? I tried adding it within the template but it did not render. Can you please show me where to place the parameter? Want image border, not array border.

{{multiple image
 | width1 = 200
 | width2 = 157
 | footer =
 | image1 = TWH with Stacks.jpg
 | alt1 = A horse's hoof, held onto a thick stack of pads with a band running over the top of the hoof.
 | caption1 = Built up pads, called "stacks", held on by a band over the top of the hoof, are used in performance divisions
 | image2 = Xray-USDA.gif
 | alt2 = An X-ray of a horse's hoof, attached to a thick set of pads filled with nails to possibly cause pressure soring
 | caption2 = X-ray shows nails within the pad that are included for possible ]
 }}

Thank you for your efforts. Ping me back. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 23:53, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Checkingfax, that's template:multiple image not template:image array, the images in template:multiple image already have borders. Frietjes (talk) 23:57, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Frietjes. Whoops. I have refactored my thread. Got confused when posting here. I was trying that other template but it has a bug so I went back to multiple image. I want to increase the image border size with multiple image like you can do with image array. But, I do not see a parameter or way to do that in multiple image.

The bug in the {{image array}} template is that the array does not have any vertical whitespace between the images and the body text: The array is vertically right against the text. Normally there is about a 2em vertical gap between images and text, but with image array the vertical gap is 0em. As an aside, the image array template also lacks a footer= parameter, a feature I would have liked to use there. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 00:14, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Checkingfax, borders around the entire image/caption unit change the size of the div, requiring adjustments to the container width calculation. so, I don't really want to add something that invasive without discussion on the module/template talk page. however, you can hack in a border around the captions with |caption_align=left; border:1px #aaa solid the issues with spacing around {{image array}} are handled by either (a) using the embedding method mentioned in the documentation, or (b) using something like |class=infobox. as far as footers go, that again can be addressed by embedding the array in an image frame. the purpose of {{image array}} is not to be a replacement for {{multiple image}}, but an alternative to {{photo montage}}. in other words, {{multiple image}} is designed to sit outside of infoboxes, while {{image array}} is designed to sit inside of infoboxes/sidebars or other containers. Frietjes (talk) 00:30, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Frietjes. Got it. Off-topic question: with class="wikitable"; border="1" is there a way to make the border render as a solid border instead of as a gapped border? Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 00:48, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Checkingfax, class="wikitable"; border="1" is broken syntax for a couple reasons (1) there should be no semicolon in that statement, and the semicolon is actually disabling the class="wikitable" (2) when done properly, border="1" is redundant when class="wikitable". to see what I mean, try (a) removing the class="wikitable"; entirely or (b) putting a space before the semicolon or (c) removing the semicolon. another clue is that the table background is missing when you push the semicolon next to the class statement. Frietjes (talk) 01:03, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Frietjes. Broken syntax indeed. Got it. Is there a way to create a wider border around a table and the table cells so that it is a wider but solid border? Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 01:49, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

The attribute (n.b. not "statement") border="1" is effectively redundant when a browser is fully capable of processing the attribute class="wikitable" including all relevant style sheets. However, if the style sheets are missing, broken or otherwise incomplete, or the browser cannot process class="wikitable" (which many can't if you put a semicolon after it), the border="1" serves as a fallback, and default borders are drawn - it works with almost all browsers released after about 1997. It also has a semantic meaning: see the HTML5 spec, section 4.9.1.

You can set different border styles using a style= attribute, placing suitable CSS declarations within that. The downside to this is that it needs to be done on each element individually. For example, applying the attribute style="border: 3px red dashed;" to the table gives:

applying the same attribute to the first row gives:

and applying it to the first cell gives:

This of course means that to get all the borders styled, you need to style all the cells:

For legal values of the border: property, see the border-width: property, the border-color: property, and the border-style: property. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:05, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

if someone is still using a pre-1997 browser, the border around the table is going to be minor compared to other rendering issues. there is so much in the style sheets now, and almost all of the old attributes are being removed or updated for "HTML5 compliance". Frietjes (talk) 13:42, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Please observe my comment "if the style sheets are missing, broken or otherwise incomplete" - it often happens that the Wikimedia servers fail to return all the style sheets that they should. Several times a day I go to a page only to find that (for example) the font is Times New Roman throughout, instead of Arial; or that the tabs at the top are missing, instead there is a bulleted list of links at the bottom of the page. These are giveaways for incomplete styling.

Although the general border= attribute is obsolete in HTML5, the specific value border="1" (when used on a table) is not, see paragraph after the note "Use CSS instead." --Redrose64 (talk) 22:07, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

so you want either (a) someone to add border=1 after every class="wikitable" or (b) use inline css just in case the style sheet doesn't load? good luck. Frietjes (talk) 22:13, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

{{PH wikidata}}

Your latest change didn't work properly. I had to <!-- --> 194.75.238.182 (talk) 16:19, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

fixed. Frietjes (talk) 19:55, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Copyedit needed

Women's surfing in Australia. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:59, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

I added the {{copyedit}} tag, which will put it in the queue for the very active Guild of Copy Editors. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:28, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Jonesey95 thanks!!! -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:05, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

I am mainly concerned about the wikicode in Women's_surfing_in_Australia#Constraints_for_Women_in_Surfing to be honest. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:05, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Magioladitis, is that better? Frietjes (talk) 13:38, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes! Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 14:30, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you

I didn't know about the merging of the two infoboxes. Sorry for reverting you. Regards, George Custer's Sabre (talk) 13:29, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

GorgeCustersSabre, no problem, my edit summary was not very descriptive. Frietjes (talk) 13:38, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Should it be merged

Hello, should {{Infobox Jain ascetic}} be merged into {{Infobox religious biography}} ? -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 18:00, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Capankajsmilyo, basically merged. will work on updating the articles later today. Frietjes (talk) 18:58, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Can you please substitue background with automatic color switching based on religion? -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 19:23, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Capankajsmilyo, sure, that should be possible, but that will impact more than the Jainism articles, more work will be needed. I work on that in phase two. Frietjes (talk) 19:25, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 19:26, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

The merged template is not showing rank. Can you please check once. Also Acharya is a rank to which a monk gets promoted. So is it possible to have date, place, promoter for the same? -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 19:37, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Capankajsmilyo, the rank is in the |honorific-prefix=, similar to titles used in other religions. you can also put it in |title=. as far as dates associated with the title or rank, that will require more thought on how to best implement. Frietjes (talk) 19:40, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Please see how can date and place be added for promotion. How about a similar thing as initiation? Also, can we use br separated entries for father and mother in parents. I mean allow |father= |mother= |parents= but show Parents? -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 20:15, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Capankajsmilyo, looks like you were able to add |father= and |mother=. for promotion, we should try to make it generic if possible, so it applies to other religions. also, it looks like there is some consensus to only include the most senior posting, or we are going to end up with {{infobox officeholder}}. probably best to discuss this at template talk:Infobox religious biography? Frietjes (talk) 22:07, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

findargdups success

Hi Frietjes. I successfully used findargdups tonight. What a nifty tool.

Question: There were two soft reference errors called out in the Preview. It seemed that findargdups only brings them up one at a time? Then another Preview is required? Or, am I doing something wrong? With two Previews I was able to quickly find and fix two sets of parameter dupes. The page I tried it on had 123 refs and lots of long quotes within the refs and I was not looking forward to finding those two by eye so I rolled out your script. Thank you. PS: I forgot to look carefully at the edit summary findargdups generated. Ping me back. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 09:32, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Checkingfax, it shows each duplicated, one at a time, in a pop-up alert box. it doesn't edit the article. it just assists you with finding the duplicates. if you want an additional results box, you can add findargdupsresultsbox = 'yes'; before the importScript line (see the top two lines of User:Frietjes/common.js for an example). you can also change the default edit summary (see User:Frietjes/findargdups for examples). Frietjes (talk) 14:11, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Frietjes. Let me clarify the workflow I encountered: I opened the edit source window → clicked on the Preview button without making any edits → reviewed the soft error notices‍—‌there were two of them‍—‌identical → I clicked on the Find dups link → a box popped up → I found and fixed the reported error from the pop up box → I clicked on Find dups again → same box popped up (with same error report) → so I clicked on Preview button again → fixed the 2nd error (the only remaining one) → clicked on Preview button again and all errors were cleared out → glanced a the edit summary, but did not look at it completely → saved my edits. Happy day. Could I have shortened that workflow? Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 14:32, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Checkingfax, (1) open in edit mode (2) press find dups, (3) read the alert boxes and fix the errors, (4) press find dups to verify there are no more errors. if you add the line that I suggested, you will have a results box for viewing after the alert boxes have been closed. I can add a feature to disable the pop up alert boxes entirely, and instead just have the results box, if this is useful. Frietjes (talk) 14:37, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Frietjes. I am still half asleep . What is the upside of of disabling the pop up alert boxes? PS: Have you ever tried to ping 7&6=thirteen using a ping type template? PPS: I installed the code you posted above. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 14:59, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Checkingfax, the upside of disabling the alert box is that you still get a list in the results box, but fewer popups to click. {{ping}} requires {{ping|1=username}} if the username includes an = sign. I don't use {{ping}} or related templates, so I haven't encountered that problem. Frietjes (talk) 15:04, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Frietjes. OK, I'll check it out the next time I use findargdups. I told 7&6= to try and put four curly braces around the =equal= sign and that worked, but they did not really seem to care. I wonder why the system allows usernames with equal signs? Must miss a lot of pings and mass mailings because I think the majority use templates for pinging. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 15:30, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

The problem is not specific to {{ping}}, nor to that user. It is a feature of all templates that accept unnamed parameters that if you wish to pass a value that contains an equals sign, you need to explicitly number the parameter. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:21, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

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Infobox assistance

Thanks again for your help with Category:Pages using deprecated image syntax. Can you take a look at {{Infobox television Survivor}}? So far Survivor: Kaôh Rōng and Survivor: Pearl Islands seem to have come up as false positives, unless I'm missing something. Thanks.— TAnthony 04:17, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

TAnthony, should be fixed now. Frietjes (talk) 14:23, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you!— TAnthony 15:42, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Your edit of my sandbox

Hi Frietjes. You changed my sandbox today. How did you know to change it? How did you know what to change? As you could probably see, I am drafting a page about a man walking across America with his goat. To start my draft, I used the Misplaced Pages source of another person (I forget whom) then made modifications. Is there a preferable method for creating a page about a living person?

I look forward to your feedback. Dogscatsbirds (talk) 16:19, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Dogscatsbirds: I would imagine that Frietjes was working through Category:Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls. The specific problem was that in the {{Infobox writer}} template, the parameter |occupation= was given twice: named parameters may be used only once per template.

If you WP:PREVIEW a page when editing it, the MediaWiki software checks for duplicate parameters, and might display a message at the top like this:

Warning: User:Dogscatsbirds/sandbox is calling Template:Infobox writer with more than one value for the "occupation" parameter. Only the last value provided will be used.

you can then fix it before saving. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:23, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Operation Spanner + Jobber (merchandising)

Operation Spanner has an ifeq. Can you please get rid of it? -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:55, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

will look later ...

Jobber (merchandising) has a li tag. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:56, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

fixed Frietjes (talk) 17:23, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

I was so close in finding the solution by myself :) Thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:26, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

160 unclosed tags

Survivor 10: Camarines. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:30, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

USA pushpin for Bodie, California pops into the Pacific Ocean

Hi Frietjes. Why does the pushpin jump into the Pacific Ocean when the USA map is selected in the Bodie, California article? When the California map is selected the pushpin is in the proper location in California. Ping me back. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 08:50, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Checkingfax because it's a ghost town :) Fixed. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 08:53, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

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Easy fix

Hi Frietjes (or any (talk page stalker)). This should be an easy fix for you. They're mixing asterisks and pound signs to get a bullet point list and a numbered list. They started out doing numbers then switched to bullet points. I switched it back to numbers but as you can see with my two tests it does not number correctly. Phraros built the routine. Numbers in sequence would be better.

See my test edits here:
Misplaced Pages:Meetup/San Francisco/ArtandFeminism 2016

Here is the sign in button template and its subtemplate:
Template:Meetupsig
Template:Meetupsig/sign

Ping me back. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 20:53, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Checkingfax: Don't leave blank lines. A blank line terminates a list and starts a new one, so numbering restarts at 1. This is what WP:LISTGAP is about (and incidentally the closely-related WP:INDENTGAP is why I habitually remove blank lines from inside indented portions of talk page threads). --Redrose64 (talk) 22:31, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi Redrose64. Can you fix the template so it does not introduce the new line? Thanks. Thanks too for the reminder about new lines on Talk pages. I know it messes with screen readers as well. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 23:34, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

I don't think that I can, since Template:Meetupsig/sign doesn't contain any newlines other than at the end, so it's not the template but the way that it's being used. Looking in Template:Meetupsig I see an <inputbox>...</inputbox> structure - it may be possible to configure that to avoid adding the blank line above the new list item, but how inputbox works (or is used) is something I know very little about. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:45, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

It's pretty late at my place and I don't want to put extra effort in thinking, but it looks like the same issue I had here. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 00:03, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Vorotan Cascade

Hi, Frietjes. I just merged several articles into the Vorotan Cascade article and I tried to include the data of several power stations etc into the single infobox. I think that the result is ok, but maybe you could make it even better. One thing is that maybe it would be better to have the child infoboxes embedded but it resulted with lose of the individual power stations names and the separation between different power stations. Maybe you have some idea what could be done? Beagel (talk) 21:04, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Beagel, I tried something. could probably tweak the separators a bit to make it clear that the subsections are for different dams. Frietjes (talk) 15:42, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you very much. It is definitely better. Beagel (talk) 16:57, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

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Book list

Can you please add |isbn_note= in Template:Book list the same way it works for {{Infobox book}}? -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:52, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Magioladitis, added. Frietjes (talk) 19:20, 9 March 2016 (UTC)