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	Pistol grips on rifles date back to 1840 at least, so how could the stg-44 have introduced them? Not to mention that it wasn't the first to share any particular set of features either, particularly in light of it's own history not as some sort of fresh, new design, but, rather, as the culmination of a design competition of several different rifles all with the same features, all derivative of, among other things, earlier german machine carbines.] (]) 21:08, 7 August 2016 (UTC)		Pistol grips on rifles date back to 1840 at least, so how could the stg-44 have introduced them? Not to mention that it wasn't the first to share any particular set of features either, particularly in light of it's own history not as some sort of fresh, new design, but, rather, as the culmination of a design competition of several different rifles all with the same features, all derivative of, among other things, earlier german machine carbines.] (]) 21:08, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

			== Again, looking at the source, it just talks about the stock and over the barrel gas system and is that wrong? ==

			The AVS-36 seems to share those characteristics and it predates the stg-44, again.] (]) 22:56, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

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re-scoping of History section

I think the History section rather than describing the history of each individual weapons should describe the history of comparisons between the two. It ought to answer questions like: When was the first comparison made? How did evaluation results change over time? For the history of each weapon, this article should refer to the main articles of each. AadaamS (talk) 08:52, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

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Why does the manufacturing section of M16 includes cost of M4 ?

"As of 2012, the United States military buys M4 Carbines for $673 (USD) per unit"

PS the reference is no longer accessible.

DGerman (talk) 22:12, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

The M4 is the current issue M16 version. Also, I have updated the info and reference. The current cost is $647 per unit.--RAF910 (talk) 23:24, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

AVS-36 with over the barrel gas system predates StG-44 so how can the StG-44 have "introduced" the over the barrel gas system?

"The Russians had a Simonov in 1936 called the AVS-36 which was both semiautomatic and full automatic. It was gas operated, with the piston and gas cylinder on top of the barrel."TeeTylerToe (talk) 01:24, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Wrong again...please read the sentence before deleting referenced information.

"Unlike previous rifle designs, it introduced an over-the-barrel gas system, straight stock and pistol grip to reduce recoil and improve handling characteristics"

The AVS-36 may have an over-the-barrel gas system, but it does not have straight stock and a pistol grip. The STG-44 was the first to combine this three things.--RAF910 (talk) 21:07, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Pistol grips on rifles date back to 1840 at least

Pistol grips on rifles date back to 1840 at least, so how could the stg-44 have introduced them? Not to mention that it wasn't the first to share any particular set of features either, particularly in light of it's own history not as some sort of fresh, new design, but, rather, as the culmination of a design competition of several different rifles all with the same features, all derivative of, among other things, earlier german machine carbines.TeeTylerToe (talk) 21:08, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Again, looking at the source, it just talks about the stock and over the barrel gas system and is that wrong?

The AVS-36 seems to share those characteristics and it predates the stg-44, again.TeeTylerToe (talk) 22:56, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Hatcher, Julian. Hatcher's Notebook.

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