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Ehtimilat, Dabiq size

Ehtimilat is near 2x bigger then Dabiq, but someone will show Ehtimilat as a small village. Beshogur (talk) 13:40, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

The sizes are definitely wrong. The 2004 census lists Fan Shamali as having a population of ,1,877 while Sawran, Aleppo Governorate stood at 6,998, yet both have the same size on the map. Ihtaimalat also stood at 6,764. NightShadeAEB (talk) 08:50, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

 Done according to 2004 census and Module:Syrian Civil War detailed map/doc#Dot size guide for cities & towns. Tradedia 21:03, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

More links to be disambiguated

These links in the map (probably recently added) need to be disambiguated so that they lead to the correct articles:

• Alamdar
• Iskan
• Haymar
• Qara Tepe
• Kora
• Al Qahirah
• Selo
• Berava

Please {{ping}} me if you need to ask anything. Thanks. — Gorthian (talk) 05:17, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

@Gorthian:  Done Tradedia 21:03, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! I may come by occasionally with a bunch, as they pop up on the lists of dabs. — Gorthian (talk) 22:48, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Maarat al-Nu'man and Kafr Nabl

I brought this up before, but haven't received any convincing discussions yet and was archieved. As far as I know, both towns are exclusively controlled by the al-Nusra Front, the former after Nusra sacked the 13th Division's headquarters in March 2016, and the latter after they drove out the SRF at the end of 2014.

So the two towns aren't in shared control between the FSA and al-Nusra. Yes, there have been regular protests against Nusra in both of them, but the protesters don't really has any authority over the towns. Some FSA members also participated in the protests but they don't exert any authority either since their depots were overran and their weapons seized by al-Nusra. Editor abcdef (talk) 05:25, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Part of the reason why Ma'arat al-Numan is marked as under mixed control is that although Nusra has a police and administrative presence there, there are daily pro-FSA protests in the street, which often remain unchallenged by Nusra. While I agree that FSA proper and other rebels don't have any real power in the town, I can't be positive Nusra controls the entire town exclusively.

Kafr Nubl is similar: the town is overwhelmingly pro-FSA. There is this group of people who regularly post pro-FSA messages from the street. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 00:41, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Sometimes authorities just tolerate protests, even against them, this is the case for many countries throughout the world. However, this doesn't mean that the protesters have any real authority and for this case "tolerating" might not be the right word since Nusra have actively threatened to open fire on the protesters, arrested many of them, organized counter-protests, sometimes violent ones, and even at one time blew up a car bomb in Maarat during a protest. Editor abcdef (talk) 02:06, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

It's not about the protests. Maarat al Nuuman has Ahrar al Sham, Suqur al Sham, and Faylaq al Sham, and probably other FSA groups within the Free Idlib Army. It is not under exclusive Nusra control in any way. We clearly see this now, Nusra's ally Jund al Aqsa just got kicked out by Ahrar and its allies. NightShadeAEB (talk) 13:40, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Vandalizm by Ahmedo Semsurî

Ahmedo Semsurî said: Don't use opposition sources for opposition gains.

Which sources should I use? Please give me answer.

Admin, please ban this user from this template. The village Aziziya was captured by FSA and confirmed by official accounts of FSA groups. He reverted the edit without source. Beshogur (talk) 20:03, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Use official accounts of FSA groups for FSA is it as use SANA for SAA or Amaq for ISIS. We have so many other sources for edit so I do not see problem in this for all us. And vandalism is it a very serious charge. Mehmedsons (talk) 08:28, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

user Ahmedo Semsurî has never done any vandalism. On contrary, it is openly Pan-Turkish natiolist user Beshogur that does nothing else than make anti-Armenian, anti-Kurdish, anti-Cyprus, anti-Greek edits on wikipedia without providing any reliable source or only problematic Turkish media sources. I really don't understand that he didn't get blocked by now, ignoring that many warnings from so many users while always handling with the same patern of hardline Turkish nationalist views targetting all ethnicities that came in conflict with Turkey.--Niele~enwiki (talk) 22:14, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Yazebagh and Maarin

Yazebagh and Maarin is under FSA controll according official FSA accounts. For example. Here too. As I know, SDF never launched assault in March to FSA. and here is a map from Levant front, here is Yazebagh, Maarin and Qastal under FSA control (however the Manbij front is unaccurate) Here's a other map Beshogur (talk) 10:57, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Yazibagh is it a probably rebels controlled the refuge camp.linklink Mehmedsons (talk) 12:15, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Look also on the map of Al-Hamza Division. Here. Beshogur (talk) 19:41, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

1) You can't use maps to change the module. 2) You can't use opposition sources for pro-opposition changes. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 16:51, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Please revert your edit or I will report you, you're changing a village without source. Wikimapia isn't a source. I added Twitter links and dozens of maps, please revert. Man, so poor arguments. Is there a rule "You can't use opposition sources for pro-opposition changes." No, so revert your edit, or I will report. Beshogur (talk) 16:58, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

You changed the village from SDF to opposition held. You are the one who should give a reliable source. Not me. And its against the rules to use maps (as its clearly says so at the beginning of this page). I used Wikimapia, to show you that its a village not an IDP camp. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 17:04, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

• • Only lauphable unreliable Turkish nationalist maps are presenting Yazebax an Maarin wrongly under their own control. Both Kurdish villages are under control of pro-kurdish forces since the beginning of the civil war.

YPG has mayor underground defences build in the flankes of Barsaya mountain assurting control on these 2 villages on the mountainside of Barsaya mountain. Maarin and Qestele (inhabited by Ezidi Kurds) are linked dubble-villages with their builup areas linked to each other. If at any moment anti-Kurdish militants would had taken Maarin without anyone in this reporting/noticing it, there would be constant fighting at the place where both villages are linked to each other. It would be very easy for ypg to control Maarin because it is situated on a steep hillside of wich they control the heigh ground and pro-Turkish militants are on the flat plain. It is openly Pan-Turkish natiolist user Beshogur that does nothing else than make anti-Armenian, anti-Kurdish, anti-Cyprus, anti-Greek edits on wikipedia that incorrectly tries to change the status of the village without providing any reliable source.--Niele~enwiki (talk) 22:07, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

• • Merîn/Ma'arin: The SDF-build checkpoint just south of Merîn/Ma'arin (on road toward Azaz) is permanently guarded by SDF-forces. Tha mayor defensive wall (where SDF fences of major attacks runs trough Merîn/Ma'arin village. Therefore the village is under full SDF-control.
  • Judaydat Ma'arin hamlet: The SDF-build checkpoint just south of Judaydat Ma'arin hamlet is non-permanently guarded by SDF-forces. But SDF would attack every Turkish backed militant that would try to enter the hamlet not accepting any non-SDF precense there. The mayor defensive wall (where SDF fences of major attacks runs just north-west of Judaydat Ma'arin hamlet placing the hamlet in SDF's shooting range from this major defensive line. Therefor the hamlet is under 'Loose SDF-control'. --Niele~enwiki (talk) 00:00, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 October 2016 Arima Status

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Considering that no one in the SDF reported losing Arima town back to isis after conquering it last week, and that a recent article from the washingtoninstitute says that they hold it I think it should be changed to yellow on the map to indicate the SDF control over it. 188.251.37.85 (talk) 19:20, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Change it, if you can find a reliable source. Once again, maps are not to be used. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 19:24, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

References

1. http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/who-will-take-al-bab?utm_term=Read+this+item+on+our+website.&utm_campaign=Who+Will+Take+al-Bab+(Balanche+%7C+PolicyWatch+2700)&utm_content=email&utm_source=Act-On+Software&utm_medium=email&cm_mmc=Act-On+Software-_-email-_-Who+Will+Take+al-Bab+(Balanche+%7C+PolicyWatch+2700)-_-Read+this+item+on+our+website.#.V_XMNnH8Zzd.twitter

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Arima in Northern Aleppo is captured by SDF.

Sources: https://twitter.com/CivilWarMap/status/782672988374233088/ http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/who-will-take-al-bab

SultanMazlum (talk) 20:19, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Wow, so local(!) sources. Beshogur (talk) 15:43, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Green colour

If JAA was expelled from areas as Saraqib, Maarrat al-Nu'man etc, does it mean JFS was expelled too? 128.70.13.14 (talk) 16:49, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Nope. The JFS is entirely neutral in the conflict between AaS and JaA, so taking over JaA positions in Saraqib and Maarat doesn't mean that JFS was also expelled. So Saraqib should be changed back to shared control between green and grey. Editor abcdef (talk) 22:05, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Idlibstan civil war

There are fights between greens and greens, not between greys and greens. Grey Nusra is trying to bring them together. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.108.80.51 (talk) 16:52, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

The grey colour is for all al-Qaeda affiliated groups, whether Nusra, Jund al-Aqsa, the Turkistan Islamic Party, the Caucasus Emirate, Ansar al-Islam, Jabhat Ansar al-Din, or Junud al-Sham. Putting Jund al-Aqsa as green is disregarding the whole purpose of the colour grey which is to separate foreign Salafist jihadist groups from other rebel groups, and JaA is described as even more extreme than al-Nusra. If anything they should be labelled as dark grey, the same colour for ISIL. Editor abcdef (talk) 22:09, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Again unsourced frontline-change-edits by Beshogur

(Like always) openly pan-turkish nationalist user Beshogur changed the Kurdish YPG-SDF held village of Yazebax located in Afrin canton and district to opposition without a correct source. The village is in ypg/SDF hands since the beginning of the civil war, and there are completly none indication of sources it is taken by Turkish backed militants. The taking of Afrin canton/district Yazebax by Turkish backed militants from SDF would be a mayor event, and widely reported.

While he changed the original yellow colour to green, he say's people that revert his edit need a source for that while offcourse the rules thate that he needs to have a reliable source for a controversion edit, not the people that revert his edits because he hasn't a reliable source.

There are no, not any indications of Turkish militants presence on Barsaya mountain or crossing Barsaya mountain to the other side to capture Yazebax. SDF has major underground defences build on the mountain (see pictures: http://wikimapia.org/29209114/SDF-fortifications) that would give major clashes when they would try and would be massively reported if happen. Likewise an ground attack from Turkish border toward Yazebax to take the village would be seen and reported as an Turkish invasion of Afrin canton and would also be massivly reported.

Beshogur unsourced edits are a becoming a constant, his talk page is already full of warnings and all his edits on wikipedia are hardline Turkish nationalist inspired edits against Armenian, Kurdish, Greek, Cypriotic minorities, culture, language, history,...--Niele~enwiki (talk) 12:32, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Well, I added more then 6 sources but you added your self-edited Wikimapia sources. Please get some sources about Yazibagh, and stop crying with the same sentences. Beshogur (talk) 12:43, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

You wrote: stop crying please don't try to insult other users with that kind of language

1. No you added 2 links to robust, badly and incorrect drawn maps from Turkish nationalist twitter accounts.
2. A not working link to a non-existing facebook post
3. A text that does NOT mention yazebex village or surrounding areas

These are nowhere near a viable sources. It is you that made a 'faulty' and controversial frontline change, without providing any reliable source. And everyone can revert this without needing to provide anything.

Yazebax village is under control of YPG since the beginning of syrian civil war.

1. On 8 nov. 2013: Daesh unsuccesfully tried to attack the YPG held village of Yazebax. This is during the period that Azaz was under Daesh control. | Source: twitter.com/ver_scholl_en/status/398601225051975680

There are NO sources that Daesh managed to take Yazebex from YPG

1. 12-13 february 2016: The Kurdish held village was shelled by Turkish artillery from the Turkish border. | Source: twitter.com/H1Santiago/status/698613882374463488

There are no sources or any indications of any ground attack or incursion by wich Yazebex would be conquered by Turkish backed militant from SDF since than. --Niele~enwiki (talk) 13:46, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Turkish nationalist twitter accounts? Since when became the FSA accounts and Pro-Gov Hassan Ridha as "Turkish nationalists"? 2: Yazibagh is a Turkmen villages, you can see it from the name. You can't change the orginal name into Kurdish and Kurdificate the villages in Afrin region. You don't have any proof that these villages are Arabized or Turkified because those villages are actually Turkmen and Arab. Beshogur (talk) 14:46, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

1. Hassan Ridha posted these maps originally made from pro-turkish twitter account. He did not post this because he claimes them to be correct in the Basaya mountain region. These maps are so inaccurate that their frontlines even cross the highly visible Barsaya mountain fortifications-line (Concrete walls between concrete watchtowers and underground bunker halls) higly visible on all recent satelite imagery. But this does not matter, nobody is allowed to use map sources and you know this! There are way more maps out there that show Yazebax as YPG controlled. (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuBD344W8AA9PEU.jpg, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct22_hYXYAATATm.png, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuVTYAoWgAAgor4.jpg, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CthX-NRWgAAOB9D.jpg
2. 84% of the civil populution of Yazebax village is from the Kurdish Reswan/Reshi tribe and 16% is Turkmen. It is located within the Syrian Kurdish district of Azaz and inside Afrin Canton.
3. If you look at older captions of the wikipedia map you see that this area/village was from the beginning of the civil war under YPG control. You changed it to opposition without providing ANY written source or even any indication that it was captured or there where fights here. You can not do this, this is against the rules, you know that and it should be reverted!--Niele~enwiki (talk) 15:39, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Satellite imagery-source evidence explanation for the Fortified defensive SDF-base at Turkish border.

Satellite imagery-source evidence explanation for the important Fortified defensive at Turkish border. It marks the beginning of Afrin canton-part of the Turkish border and has therefor major strategic importance.

Geolinks

• Coordinates: 36°38'23"N 37°4'5"E - lat=36.640841; lon=37.068300
• Wikimapia: http://wikimapia.org/35804674/Fortified-defensive-base
• Geonames: http://www.geonames.org/11270077/fortified-defensive-base.html
• https://www.terraserver.com/view?utf8=%E2%9C%93&search_text=36%C2%B0+38%27+23%22+N%2C+37%C2%B0+4%27+5%22+E&searchLat=&searchLng=

Road connections/entrance access

1. The entrance of the base is only connected to the SDF/YPG-held Yazebax security checkpoint 950 meter higher on the Barsaya mountain slope with a frequently used road with protection walls on both sides of the road, making the base only accessible and accessed from SDF-territory.
2. The base has no roads, paths or vehicle tracks connecting it with Turkish border/territory.
3. The base has no roads, paths or vehicle tracks connecting it with Turkish backed militants occupied Salameh village/territories.

--> If this base would be under by Turkish backed militants there would be vehicle tracks established toward Salameh village or to Turkish border while in contrary the underground of the (only) road to Afrin canton and the Yazebax security checkpoint higher on Barsaya mountain shows frequent use.

Construction timeline of fortifications

1. (2013) - The south/Salameh facing defensive wall was constructed in 2013 by YPG to protect the base from attacks from then Daesh occupied Azaz area.
2. (2015) - The north facing defensive wall was build by SDF/YPG between 19 July 2015 and 20 March 2016 by YPG/SDF to protect the base from possible shooting coming the newly erected Turkish border wall and post located 250 meters north of the base.
3. (July 2016) - The south facing entrance extension wall was build by SDF/YPG between

9 July 2016 and 13 July 2016 to protect the access road from possible RPG/shooting coming Turkish backed militants in or near Salameh village.

1. (Aug 2016) - The north facing entrance extension wall was build by SDF/YPG between 19 August 2016 and 18 September 2016 to protect the access road from possible shooting coming Turkish border wall/post 350 meter to the North.
2. Outposts - The base has 2 outpost facing Salameh village and Salameh border crossing. The defensive walls next to the access tracks toward the Salamah facing outpost was build in 2013 and provides protection from the east (for shooting coming from Salameh-Turkish border road)

The defensive walls build next to the access tracks toward the smallsmall outpost facing Salameh border cossing where build in 2016 and provide protection from shooting from both the Turkish border, the boarder crossing and Salameh village, with mayor wall protecting the outpost from the border crossing east of the outpost. --> If this base would be under by Turkish backed militants all newly build defensive walls would be constructed facing YPG/SDF held Barsaya mountain (west)'; and not facing the Turkish border-wall/posts (north/north-east) and Turkish backed militants in Salameh (south-east) like all defensive walls and recent constructed walls do. The outpost and it defensive walls would offcours not face Salameh and the bordercrossing with Turkey, but toward ypg held Barsaya mountain. The access roads of the outpost would be not be left unshielded by missing defensive wall in the direction of ypg barsaya mountain, and there would not be build defensive walls next to the outpost acces-roads shielding it from Turkish border, the border crossing and Salameh village.'

Use/occupation/activity

1. Changing locations of several trucks and vehicles in the base between the different satellite images in august and september 2016 indicate that the base is currently in use.
2. Constant changing of locations of vehicles from 27 different satellite images during 2016 indicate permanent use of the base in 2016.
3. The changing locations of vehicles from satelite images from 2015 and 2013 indicate permanent use of the base between 2013-2016.
4. All new and left vehicles could only access/reach/leave the base via the access road though YPG/SDF held Yazebax security checkpoint on higher/on top on the Barsaya mountain slope. (no other roads/vehicle tracks, and now gates in concrete Turkish border wall.
5. Several new small hangars/sheds where erected between 2015 and 2016 inside the base.

--> In 2013 this whole area was under YPG-control and Daesh frontlines touched each other in this area. The base showes permanent stable occupation by the same force (YPG) since then. There is only active vehicle use on the road between the base and Afrin canton during from 2013 till now. Vehicle accessing the base from direction of now Turkish backed militants occupied Salameh village would leave new tracks visible on satellite imagery. --Niele~enwiki (talk) 21:51, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Restoring unsourced places

Re:. Yes, Lists129, I do intentionally remove places close to the frontline if I can't find any source for it. You see, Misplaced Pages have a policy on sourcing. It's here. It says: "Readers must be able to check that any of the information within Misplaced Pages articles is not just made up. This means all material must be attributable to reliable, published sources. Additionally, quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be supported by inline citations." You restored the material, so where is your source? Erlbaeko (talk) 13:26, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

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