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:{{tps}} I do chuckle whenever a highly experienced and knowledgeable editor is told to read "the guide to writing your first article". ] ] ] 21:27, 15 March 2017 (UTC) :{{tps}} I do chuckle whenever a highly experienced and knowledgeable editor is told to read "the guide to writing your first article". ] ] ] 21:27, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

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: (watching, alerted) I often recreate deleted articles, so would like to know for my safety: where would I have seen in this case or others that it was deleted per this WP:BLPDELETE. I believe that if it is not documented in the deletion log or the deletion discussion, users can not be held responsible for not knowing about it. --] (]) 12:45, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|WJBscribe}} If you think I'm in breach of such sanctions, take it to Arbcom. Otherwise, ]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); ]; ]</span> 13:04, 16 March 2017 (UTC)


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Wishing you a Charlie Russell Christmas,
Pigsonthewing!
"Here's hoping that the worst end of your trail is behind you
That Dad Time be your friend from here to the end
And sickness nor sorrow don't find you."
—C.M. Russell, Christmas greeting 1926.
Montanabw 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Discussion Invitation WikiProject Worcestershire WP:WORCS Barnstar.

Dear Andy Mabbett, Please have a look at WikiProject Misplaced Pages Awards talk page https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Wikipedia_Awards, and if you will see WORCS Barnstar representation, as a good one, explain in couple of phrases — why and give your support. A criticism is welcome as well. Thank you. Regards, Chris Oxford.Chris Oxford (talk) 22:47, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Cheers!

A beer on me!
For getting Leekfrith torcs onto the main space so quickly and clearly spending most of the 28th February tweaking it. Great to see the article here in a good state already. Cheers! Zakhx150 (talk) 08:21, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 10

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This month, we discuss the new CollaborationKit extension. Here's an image as a teaser:

23:59, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Manual Interwiki links

Hey! I had this discussion with Montanabw concerning an edit I've made which added a manual Interwiki link to another Wiki (in this case, linked Airs above the ground to the section concerning that topic in the Hungarian Misplaced Pages). She reverted and said I should talk to you about why manual links have proven to be difficult and are not really appreciated anymore. Whilst not being informed about technichal issues, I still believe that for user-friendliness, it is actually quite nice to link to all other articles, although other Wikis may have different syntax. Still, it would be a shame to have thousands of unlinked articles just because they do not have an exact counter-part in any other Wiki... Anyways, I can also see the difficulties (Wikidata being easy to overwatch and make changes to), manual links probably being very hard on maintanance... Still would be very grateful for an explanation from your side. Meanwhile, all the best to you, --Fallen Sheep (talk) 10:25, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

I was pinged in that discussion. The matter now seems resolved. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:43, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #250

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Tech News: 2017-10

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The Wikimaps User Group has now been officially recognized!

Let's start discussing the goals for our activities on the user group page. See you there! Cheers, Susannaanas (talk) 10:23, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Transfer of 3 scholarly translations of Quran and Hadiths from Tufts University host, bot?

Hi Andy, @RexxS and I would appreciate your input or guidance on this, because it would be a valuable resource to host as wikisource or wherever appropriate. The University of Southern California used to host the translations, "Template:cite quran" pointed there, but USC archive is dead since January 2017. Tufts hosts all three under Creative Commons license, and it would be a loss if they someday go the USC way for whatever reason. Thanks, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:10, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

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Michael Cole

POTW, I also think Mohammed al-Fayed's former spokesman Michael Cole is notable enough for an article, but Cole has written about his travails over the former Misplaced Pages article for a certain newspaper/website which is developing a fixation on this project. I make it four M--- articles in the last ten days. By the way, Cole in that non-reliable source, appears unaware the article has been revived. And his commissioning editor too. Philip Cross (talk)

You created Michael Cole (public relations) yet a "Michael Cole" in the Daily Mail blasts Misplaced Pages about an article on him but it seems to be unrelated:

--Penbat (talk) 13:48, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

I'm not POTW, but it is the same person. Checking the web, and possible variants (see the school's article), I found Cole's article is the main source indicating he went to Preston Manor County Grammar School; a common problem with people whose highest profile pre-dates the web is finding good sources. But note the point I make above. Philip Cross (talk) 14:12, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
The school is not mentioned in the article I wrote. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:25, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
Don't believe everything you read in the Daily Mail. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:24, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
Andy, have you read the deletion discussion for the earlier version of the Michael Cole article, including his letter to OTRS? Despite the dare I say typical exaggeration in the Daily Mail article, he comes across as quite reasonable and (being unable to read the deleted article) I found the deletion arguments reasonable. With the exception of the unfortunate "gnat's belly" phrasing, of course. Are you sure this is going to be worth the predictable emotion, and that it's not largely inherited notability? I'm surprised to see his company website still up, since he says in the letter that he wound it up and took the BBC position. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:52, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
I have not read, nor can I, any such OTRS correspondence. The deletion arguments to which you refer are not about the article I wrote. Cole clearly meets our notability requirements, and passes the minimum by quite a good margin. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Michael Cole (public relations): OTRS correspondence evidently reproduced with permission. Julia\ 10:32, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
Note: The above comment has been modified, after I replied to it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:50, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
Yes, I received an e-mail saying my comment had been partially oversighted, and waited for them to decide whether to oversight what's at the deletion discussion. There's a lengthy statement by the article subject reproduced there by permission in which he sounds reasonable, but which conflicts with what's on-line elsewhere and what you put in your replacement article. Hence my asking wether you'd read the deletion discussion. Yngvadottir (talk) 14:38, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

I have deleted the article per WP:G4. While your article was newly written, not a copy of the previous one, it changed nothing about the reason the previous one was deleted and didn't indicate sufficient additional notability or changed circumstancse to have the article now. Feel free to take this to WP:DRV instead to get the previous AfD overturned, but until then please don't recreate such articles. Fram (talk) 14:58, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

@Fram: Well, now please promptly undelete it. As I noted on the talk page, G4 explicitly excludes articles that "are not substantially identical to the deleted version". Your "please don't recreate such articles" is entirely outwith policy, and therefore rejected. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:05, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
An article deleted for BLP reasons, at the request of the article subject, should not be recreated without additional reasons to do so (the subject having gained further notability since the deletion). No such reasons were present here, so the article should not have been recreated. Fram (talk) 15:11, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
@Fram: Your claims are still outwith policy, but in any case are irrelevant, since I did have "additional reasons". Now please restore it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:14, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
Oh, and FWIW, I have policy on my side: WP:BLPDELETE says "After the deletion, any administrator may choose to protect it against re-creation. Even if the page is not protected against re-creation, it should not be re-created unless a consensus is demonstrated in support of re-creation." (bolding mine).
G4 explicitly excludes articles that "are not substantially identical to the deleted version" (bolding mine). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:15, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
Then replace G4 with G6 or IAR: the BLP policy trumps speedy deletion reasons. Anyway, like I said, feel free to take this to DRV to argue your case, the chance of you convincing me here that I should undelete this, contrary to BLPDELETE, is minimal. Fram (talk) 15:18, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Michael Cole (public relations)

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A tag has been placed on Michael Cole (public relations), requesting that it be speedily deleted from Misplaced Pages. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion debate, such as at articles for deletion. Under the specified criteria, where a page has substantially identical content to that of a page deleted after debate, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

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(talk page stalker) I do chuckle whenever a highly experienced and knowledgeable editor is told to read "the guide to writing your first article". Ritchie333 21:27, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

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I'm making sure that you're aware that discretionary sanctions are applicable in this area, because you recreated the article Michael Cole (public relations) without first establishing a consensus for its recreation per WP:BLPDELETE. In my view that action was needlessly disruptive given the likely controversy that would result from recreating (without prior consensus) an article deleted at AfD following a request from the subject of that article. Sanctions may be imposed if you breach WP:BLPDELETE again. WJBscribe (talk) 12:03, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

(watching, alerted) I often recreate deleted articles, so would like to know for my safety: where would I have seen in this case or others that it was deleted per this WP:BLPDELETE. I believe that if it is not documented in the deletion log or the deletion discussion, users can not be held responsible for not knowing about it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:45, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
@WJBscribe: If you think I'm in breach of such sanctions, take it to Arbcom. Otherwise, keep your patronising advice to yourself. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:04, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-11

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15:25, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #251

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Development
    • Converted undo/restore interface to use OOUI. You can test it here (phab:T134643).
    • Fixed an other rounding issue on geo coordinates (phab:T158772).
    • Added thumbnail images to the Wikimedia Commons suggester (phab:T160319).
    • Continued working on introducing Lexeme entity type.
    • Finishing federation prototype.
    • We are going to change all snak, reference, and qualifier hashes with the planned DataModel 7.0 release. If you are a tool developer, make sure you do not persist hashes, and never use them to request edits to entities. Statement IDs are safe (phab:T157965).
    • Removed unnecessary CSS on ooui special pages (phabricator:T159702)
    • Allowed example queries to be searched for SPARQL commands (phabricator:T154768)
    • Converted Wikibase interface for undoing/restoring a revision to OOUI (phabricator:T134643)
    • Converted image header user script to gadget (phabricator:T159929)
    • Started writing spec for technical data model for Wiktionary support (phabricator:T150785)
    • Worked on providing API for constraint check (phabricator:T102757)

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weirdness

Thought this sort of edit went out with the start of wikidata, .... um.... really weird. JarrahTree 14:23, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

synthesizer on "Summer 68"

Hi. In your book "Pink Floyd - The music and the mystery" (Omnibus Press, 2010) p.101, you assert the brass in Pink Floyd's "Summer 68" is played on a synthesizer. Surely this is a mistake? Ritchie333 21:26, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

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