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The majority of British Sri Lankans are Tamils. We currently have articles on British Sri Lankans, British Sri Lankan Tamils and ], with significant overlaps in content. ] (]) 19:08, 14 August 2017 (UTC) The majority of British Sri Lankans are Tamils. We currently have articles on British Sri Lankans, British Sri Lankan Tamils and ], with significant overlaps in content. ] (]) 19:08, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

: Oppose. @Cordess Larry has a history of advancing racist viewpoints while defending left-wing and pro-muslim viewpoints. I'd also point out that this situation requires Sri Lankan Tamils to be associated with: British Sri Lankan, British Tamil, and British Indian. A large number of SLT refuse to identify as Sri Lankan, and conversely a large number of SLT identify as Indian including Sinhalese. If anything, the divide between Muslims and Hindus is far more substantial and requires its own article.

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Merge

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The result was do not merge. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:51, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

I do not think merging British Tamils with British Indian or British Sri Lankans, because Tamils are ethnic group based on their linguistic origin, British Sikhs often identified themselves as Sikhs rather than Indian or Pakistani or Afghani, similiarly Tamils always identified themselves as British Tamils. Also Tamils include Tamils from India, Sri Lanka, Singapore, Fiji and other countries too.. so in order to merging the article with other articles, is going to disappear the presence of this article and hasn't got any NPOV. So I am opposong strongly for this kind of act.--Jai Kumara Yesappa (talk) 16:16, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Migration to the United Kingdom should not be based on ethnic group but on nationality and the British Tamil article is the only one based on ethnicity in the Asia section. The information in the British Tamil article is already in both the Sri Lankans in the United Kingdom and British Indian articles of where Tamil People come from therefore the British Tamil article is not needed.--Blackknight12 (talk) 03:01, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

This is a tricky one. The material at British Tamils is not very informative and the statistics references there are actually about Sri Lankans, not just Tamils (and not Tamils from India). Then again, there are plenty of sources that suggest that there is a "British Tamil" community:
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I guess my view at the moment is that British Tamil should be made a disambiguation page stating that Tamils in the UK may originate from India or Sri Lanka, but not to rule out the possibility of developing it as a proper, sourced article should someone wish to do so in future. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:08, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

British Tamil is very distinct from British Sri Lankan. Not all Tamils are of Sri Lankan descent - up to one third of British Tamils are actually of Indian descent. Of the Tamils who are of Sri Lankan descent, many were born in Britain and have therefore never had Sri Lankan nationality. Of those who were born in Sri Lanka many have become British nationals. And of those who remain officially Sri Lankan nationals, most would not consider themselves as Sri Lankan. Nationality is changeable, ethnicity isn't. There are a number of ethnicity based diaspora articles such as British Jews, British Arabs, British Kurds, Māori in the United Kingdom, Assyrians in the United Kingdom, Pashtun British. British Tamil society is distinct from other British Sri Lankan (i.e. Sinhalese) society. There is very little interaction between the two groups and they have little in common. Their language, religion, culture are all different. The majority of British Tamils have migrated Britain in the past 25 years as refugees from the civil war but the majority of British Sinhalese are economic migrants who come to Britain steadily over the last 50 years. The term "British Tamil" is widely used in Britain, including in the media. The British Tamil article does need to be beefed up but it shouldn't be merged.--obi2canibe 15:49, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

British Tamil is formed as one ethnic group though they come from Sri Lanka or India becuase of their share same culture language and religion. Likewise Chinese communities whom may hailed from China or Taiwan consider as Chinese diaspora, so British Tamil is needed. Dont spread your ethnic hegemonicsm in Misplaced Pages.--Jai Kumara Yesappa (talk) 05:02, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

British Tamil should be seen as same article merging them with British Sri Lankan or British Indian is step by some people to absorb the article and it is a move to prevent the word TAMIL. Tamils from Sri Lanka or India they formed a society as British Tamils. So it should be there as British Tamil rather than merging with other articles.--Jai Kumara Yesappa (talk) 05:07, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Most of the Tamils from Sri Lanka don not consider them as Sri Lankans but stick with term TAMIL because of the various political reasons. Merging the British Tamil article with British Sri Lankans going to be a sensitve issue. --Jai Kumara Yesappa (talk) 05:07, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm happy to help with improving the British Tamil article. The statistics there about Sri Lankans need to go since they don't only apply to Sri Lankan Tamils, but as I indicated above there is space for a British Tamils article if people are willing to put the effort it, which it seems they might be. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:37, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
The British Tamil article can stand on its own and has rnough Notability and Reliable resources to one day be better than what it is today. Taprobanus (talk) 20:23, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
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Seperation of Nationality, Ethno-Linguistic Group, Culture, and Race?

I think this is a prime example of somewhere where everything needs to be seperated.

Sri Lanka is a political entity, and therefore Sri Lankan is a nationality.

Tamil is an ethno-lingustic group, peoples connected by a native language. Tamils are an ethnolinguistic group who are 'home' to Southern India, Sri Lanka, Malaysia, and Singapore.

Dravidian is a culture, but is found throughout Southern India, Sri Lanka, and South East Asia.

I think the race is different too.

In the same way a black rapper would be racially "black" but nationally "british", I think a "British Sri Lankan Tamil" would be:

Race: Indian/South Indian ??? (I believe it's a Caucasian, Asian, Austroloid mix)

Ethno-Linguistic Group: Tamil

Citizenship: British

Native Sub-Culture: Hindu/Dravidian

While I'm against stereotyping cultures onto races, one has to admit that 'British Sri Lankan Tamil' is more cultural/political and racial.

TimothyBaker2 (talk) 07:48, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi TimothyBaker2. One of the features of the official classification of ethnicity in the United Kingdom is that it mixes race, ethnicity and nationality (e.g. "Black British", "British Indian"), which is perhaps what has inspired this article (even though "British Sri Lankan" is not one of the census categories). Cordless Larry (talk) 07:54, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
Alternatively, perhaps by "British Sri Lankan", what the article really means is "Sri Lankan migration to the United Kingdom". Cordless Larry (talk) 07:55, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

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Proposed merge with British Sri Lankan Tamil

The majority of British Sri Lankans are Tamils. We currently have articles on British Sri Lankans, British Sri Lankan Tamils and British Tamils, with significant overlaps in content. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:08, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Oppose. @Cordess Larry has a history of advancing racist viewpoints while defending left-wing and pro-muslim viewpoints. I'd also point out that this situation requires Sri Lankan Tamils to be associated with: British Sri Lankan, British Tamil, and British Indian. A large number of SLT refuse to identify as Sri Lankan, and conversely a large number of SLT identify as Indian including Sinhalese. If anything, the divide between Muslims and Hindus is far more substantial and requires its own article.
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