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POV against Italy

I find the article partially POV against Italy. There it is no reference at all to the massacre of Italian military & civilians done by rebels from 1911 to 1915, that created the revenge (against moslem fanatics mainly in Cyrenaica) from Italian authorities after WWI. To have an idea read this:Sciara sciat.

Ho visto in una sola moschea diciassette italiani crocefissi con i corpi ridotti allo stato di cenci sanguinolenti e informi; ma i cui volti serbano ancora le tracce di un'infernale agonia. Si è passata per il collo di questi disgraziati una lunga canna e le braccia riposano su questa canna. Sono stati poi inchiodati al muro e morirono a fuoco lento fra sofferenze inenarrabili. Dipingervi il quadro orrendo di queste carni decomposte che pendono pietosamente sulla muraglia insanguinata, è impossibile. In un angolo un altro corpo è crocefisso ma siccome era quello di un ufficiale si sono raffinate le sue sofferenze. Gli si cucirono gli occhi. Tutti i cadaveri ben inteso erano mutilati evirati in modo indescrivibile e i corpi apparivano gonfie come informe carogne. Ma non è tutto! Nel cimitero di Chui che serviva di rifugio ai turchi e donde tiravano da lontano potemmo vedere un altro spettacolo. Sotto la porta stessa di fronte alle trincee italiane cinque soldati erano stati sepolti fino alle spalle; le teste emergevano dalla sabbia nera del loro sangue: teste orribili a vedersi; vi si leggevano tutte le torture della fame e della sete(Gaston Leroud and the correspondent of Matin -Journal)

There it is even no reference to the fact that in 1918 happened the flu-epidemy called "Hispaniola", that was the main cause of deaths between civilian arabs in coastal Libya until 1922 (and greatly depopulated Cyrenaica). John T.

The devastating damages caused by the Pacification of Libya upon the Arab Libyan population are recognized by many scholarly sources and the Italian government itself. As Prime Minister of Italy, Silvio Berlusconi announced Italy's recognition of war crimes committed by Italy against the Libyan people when Libya was a colony in a 2008 agreement between Italy and Libya. At the signing Prime Minister Berlusconi stated the following quotation: "In this historic document, Italy apologizes for its killing, destruction and repression of the Libyan people during the period of colonial rule." (http://books.google.ca/books?id=cfhcjje8dFYC&pg=PA17&dq=berlusconi+libya&hl=en&sa=X&ei=7VMLT_ydNsPs0gHdoLm2Ag&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=berlusconi%20libya&f=false).Events prior to 1922 about deaths caused by the Spanish Flu have nothing to do with this, this is about an event from 1928 to 1932.--R-41 (talk) 21:06, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

TRANSLATION FOR R-41 (WHO IS A BANNED USER FROM WIKIPEDIA): I saw in one mosque seventeen Italian crucifixed with their bodies reduced to the status of bloody rags and bones, but whose faces still retain traces of hellish agony. It has passed through the neck of these wretched a long barrel and arms resting on this rod. They were then nailed to the wall and died for a slow fire between untold suffering. It is impossible for us to paint the picture of these hideous rotted meat hanging pitifully on the bloody wall. In a corner another body is crucified but as an officer he was to have refined his sufferings. The eyes are stitched. All the bodies were mutilated and castrated; so indescribable was the scene and the bodies appeared swollen as shapeless carrion. But that's not all! In the cemetery of Chui which served as a refuge from the Turks and whence pulled from afar we could see another show. Under the same door in front of the Italian trenches five soldiers had been buried up to his shoulders, their heads emerged from the black sand stained of their blood: heads horrible to behold, and there you could read all the tortures of hunger and thirst (Gaston Leroud and the correspondent of Matin-Journal) Why R-41 does not mention anything cruel done against the Italians by the moslem arabs? There it is a huge documentation about it! And don't forget that the spanish flu (and its consequences) continued to kill until 1930.John T.

Hello, I am the former user R-41, and I am leaving this message here to apologize to you, John T., whom I will now refer to under the user account you have opened named OldSettler. I apologize to you OldSettler for my previous pigheaded behaviour on this article, I have been seeking a WP:FRESHSTART after I requested a self-ban from an administrator because my behaviour was unhealthy to myself and others. I have medical conditions that from time to time can affect my cognition and make me aggressive and stubborn. I apologize for that behaviour. I am not going to do any editing until I start a new account, which I am going to request to be under probation by an administrator. I will take breaks whenever I feel in frustrated shape, and please tell me if you see me becoming frustrated, I will have a break. If I fail to engage in healthy dialogue and return to previous inappropriate behaviour, I will support you or anyone reporting this to an administrator and mentioning that I myself recognize that I at times can succumb to frustration and become combative. When this is done, I'd like to attempt to start afresh with a more co-operative approach with you focused on seeking out reliable sources to review and record all claims made by Italian and Senussi forces. You have made valuable contributions including adding information. It is very important to include material on claims of war crimes by both Italian and Senussi forces that you have added. Another valuable contribution you have made is the describing the role of indigenous colonial forces serving in the Italian military, including the Libyan indigenous colonial soldier who captured Omar Muhktar. I still have some disagreements about some of the wording and would like to see some more sources though for some sentences you have added. Again, I sincerely apologize for my previous conduct.--70.53.113.91 (talk) 12:18, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
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