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Why is it not 10,191?

I don't get why you are reverting this, when it states clearly in the film that it is the year 10,191?

The only reason I can fathom is that you are assuming that it is not the Gregorian calendar? But why would you assume that? We should take things as stated - the film (or rather Irulan) says:

The beginning is a very delicate time. Know then, that it is the year ten-thousand one ninety-one. The known universe is ruled by the Padishah Emperor Shaddam the fourth - my father.

In fact, even if it is not the Gregorian calendar, but some esoteric new date format - the year is still stated as being 10,191. So we should report this.

There is precedent - other films that use a date report it:

• Back to the Future Part II - October 21st 2015
• Blade Runner - 2019
• Doom (film) - 2046
• Logan's Run (film) - 2274
• The Time Machine (1960 film) - 802,701
• Total Recall (1990 film) - 2084

In fact, a quick glance at List of films set in the future shows many entries - including Dune. None of the other films specifically state that they are using the Gregorian calendar. (Although I grant that in The Time Ships a significant section is given over to a tirade by The Traveller over the archaic and clumsy method for describing the Gregorian passage of time - hours, days, years etc.) Chaheel Riens (talk) 12:18, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Sorry I have been somewhat vague, I'm fully familiar with the film and assumed you'd understand what I was talking about. Here's the thing. We know from the source novel that the date is 10,191 AG, or "After Guild". From a storyline perspective, the creation of the Spacing Guild takes place a couple of decades after the Butlerian Jihad, which is like 11,000 from our current time. So for the film's time period, we are talking about a Gregorian 23,000 AD give or take. This has been discussed in the past and there was actually an elaborate footnote somewhere that explained what I have explained, but I believe the specific date was removed from here and/or the novel article basically as an in-universe factoid that actually misrepresents the time period to the casual reader. Dune (franchise)#Plot arc covers the date spans with citations to the novels without relying on in-universe dates. I also understand that the film is an adaptation, with accepted differences, and if it doesn't designate AD or AG then perhaps it doesn't matter exactly how many millennia from now it's supposed to take place or what readers/viewing audiences understand of it. So we can certainly discuss this, but hopefully you now see the potential confusion.— TAnthony 14:42, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

I don't think it's particularly important to list the specific year in any event. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 15:01, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

(e/c) Right, yes I do see your point, and it may be valid for the book - but not the film. I still maintain that by leaving out the date we're creating more confusion for the casual reader - the date (in the film) is not specified to be AD/AG/Tibetan I accept that (but neither is it in any of the other examples listed, with the Time Ships excepted) - but the film is unambiguously identified as taking place in 10,191 - in the very first sentence of the film. There is nothing in the film to suggest that it is not the 10,191 we expect.

As you say - there are many differences between novel and film (let's not consider the rainstorm at the end of the film - Yikes,) - the film simplifies many aspects of the book - so I don't think it's appropriate to use the novel as a source for the film.

I also disagree with NRP - when a specific date is shown in a film, it should be used. Chaheel Riens (talk) 15:05, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Obviously I don't entirely disagree with you, I'm hoping we can attract more editors to the discussion.— TAnthony 15:33, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

The film was shit - why do you even care? We should all forget about this cinematic abortion. 5.66.46.25 (talk) 21:28, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

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