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I know this is messy and everything, but please respond Sir. I know you will have to react to clean up your pageKamlesh4rmBhopal (talk) 10:02, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello Sir, My Sockpuppet allegations at Battle of Hydaspes page

I am not "a person whose actions are controlled by another." or "a brainless sock puppet who only knows what to say because his handlers feed him his lines" or "a false online identity, typically created by a person or group in order to promote their own opinions or views."

My name is Benedict Assange, I am a Half Syrian Christian half Italian guy (you can check out my page). I am not even a Hindu (You called him a Hindu nationalist I think as I read in your edit war).

I have openly admitted to have been in direct contact with Aseem Purushottam, (who editted the original pages), who was my hostel room-mate. We shared the same phone once of my buddy and the laptop available in our room. If you notice the edits on battle of hydaspes, I have not forwarded any of his "agendas" or anything of the "Biased" sort. I have given elaboration from the same sources on the same pre-existing sentences, sir.

I had warned him earlier to tone down his harsh replies and style of dealing with other users and now he is banned for unknown time. Thankfully our shared IP was spared. I learnt much on how to use Misplaced Pages from him and I have decided to use my speed reading skills for good use. I only add elaborations, do grammar tweakings and language fixing for now.

Therefore it is better not to associate myself with him. I have not lived in Mumbai for the past 3 weeks. I will return in a few days to my hostel as diwali vacations finish. Kamlesh4rmBhopal (talk) 17:06, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

SPA account returned

There is a recent activity by a new account that creates lots of ultranationlist pov-forks ]. Most probably a returning editor (geo-location makes that clear too).Alexikoua (talk) 16:29, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Don't bother. Just blocked. Too bad they can't understand how disruptive they act to their own national interests.Alexikoua (talk) 16:13, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Do not again revert the edits for Battle of Hydaspes by this IP address. No sources have been given there, ridiculous over the top white supremacist claims have been made, hence genuine demands for direct sources have been made. Either give sources yourself or let the edits remain. Else action shall be taken against this vandalizing profile. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.97.48.11 (talk) 15:58, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Battle of Hydaspes

You mentioned a concern, "not sure about Majumdar 1952 though. Can you elaborate? --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:28, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Yes, question is, does it meet WP:RS? One it's a bit dated, and two it's published by Motilal Banarsidass, which to my knowledge has published some pretty crufty stuff about ancient India . Khirurg (talk) 22:00, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

R. C. Majumdar appears to check out as an academic historian, where as for being dated, I believe I see

• Diodorus Siculus (90-30 BC). Bibliotheca Historica.
• Quintus Curtius Rufus (60-70 AD). Historiae Alexandri Magni.
• Plutarch (75 AD). The Life of Alexander the Great, Parallel Lives.
• Arrian (early 2nd century AD).

...which are dated, but I know their usage on Misplaced Pages is prevalent. The Majumdar source does not reference any outlandish claims(Porus' capture), though he does give an intriguing perspective of Alexander on page 101. Also, Motilal Banarsidass publishing appears to check out, though I always try to find out who the author/editor is.

In contrast, Kaushik Roy's area of expertise appears to be modern warfare. Interesting.

Anyway, I was just curious. Thanks for answering my question. --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:12, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

I defer to you. If you think Majumdar checks out, that's fine by me. Khirurg (talk) 01:40, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Please tolerate a certain degree of patronizing language tone in the page towards the Indian side for now. A new serial centered on Porus will soon be released in India, unleashing a massive wave of nationalistic Indians who may ravage the page if such tone as in the original edits is to be found. It's for the good of the page else we may end up locking it up and that won't be good for such a incoherent developing article. Lord Aseem (talk) 05:10, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Hello sir, I examined your Edit wars with Aseem on battle of hydaspes page. I saw that you had removed the personal duel between Alexander and Porus as there was no historian relaying it. Incidentally I found Majumdar himelf doing so, therefore should I restore it?Kamlesh4rmBhopal (talk) 09:21, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Also Sir, I have found lots of sources for covering up the cn tags and adding as vivid information as possible which I will add as soon as I return to my hostel. The page will be finished soon and the issues tag will be soon obsolete. Thank you. Kamlesh4rmBhopal (talk) 09:25, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Recent disruption

Congrats by dealing with yet another case (Ilirpedia). However, there is no doubt that all this kind of SPAs (unlogged/logged accounts etc) are recruited off-wiki by one editor who's obsessed to promote his personal POV.Alexikoua (talk) 11:22, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Illyrians

Hi, I stated what was on one source not multiple and just presented what was said on it. Can you please tell me how I did those violations?--Kelmendi123

Hi there, I looked over the paper and it doesn't mention the Illyrians anywhere. They did some testing on remains found at an archeological site in Croatia, but that doesn't mean they belong to an Illyrian. Therefore it is WP:OR to say that those remains belong to an Illyrian. Khirurg (talk) 00:33, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Turkey#RfC--lead

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Turkey#RfC--lead. Winged Blades of Godric 11:52, 19 October 2017 (UTC)Template:Z48

White Genocide

Can you self-revert on Armenian Genocide, I don't want to violate some undisclosed editing restriction. Did you look at the article before you reverted? Seraphim System 01:21, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

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Source

Might I suggest using this for your discussion on Anatolia. --Kansas Bear (talk) 01:42, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Excellent source, thank you very much. If I were dealing with good faith editors, it would help. Unfortunately the issue is not sourcing, it's trolling and personal issues (at least as far as one of the editors involved). Khirurg (talk) 01:49, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Ancient Pontus

I'm asking you this because I expect you to know more about this ] than me, but I had thought that Pontic Greek history was indeed ancient and wiki also dates it back to 800 BC with a whole section on this. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding.

Also, on the map stuff, could you give me a bit to get back to that? Tagging Resnjari so he sees this too but Resnjari please don't reply here. I've already made all the changes except for the three towns in Vurg (ignoring Moscopole rn, it's a headache). But my time is limited due to having a life, and my time on wiki may soon be spent more on cleaning up some ongoing problems on 2017-18 Iranian protests, a pressing issue as it is current. Thanks for your understanding, --Calthinus (talk) 15:28, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Well regarding the Pontians, Greeks indeed did settle around 800 BC, but they were mainly Ionian Greeks, same as all the other Ionian Greeks. A distinct Pontian identity didn't emerge until the Seljuk conquests, when they became cut off from the remaining Greeks. So yes, there were Greeks living in Pontus since antiquity, but they were not "Pontian" in the sense of a distinct identity. Khirurg (talk) 06:38, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Ok fair enough, thanks for clarifying.--Calthinus (talk) 16:51, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

OR & SYNTH map

I've placed some additional objections about the map based on Calthinus's research in his talkpage.Alexikoua (talk) 08:09, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Don't remove sourced material because it does not fit your POV

This kind of summary is not an argument. If you continue with such behaviour, it will not end well for you. After repeated attacks on me, directly or indirectly (writing little failed investigations and giving them to your fellow editor to post them), I might decide to do what I probably should have done long ago. This is a warning Khirurg, if you can not edit articles of the Balkans topic in a civil way, make a favor to yourself and find an interest in other topics or take a break from Misplaced Pages. Otherwise you risk too much. Ktrimi991 (talk) 13:30, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Large scale canvassing activity

Take in mind that the only Albanian editors that didn't vote in the AfD are those without enabled wiki-mail. I assume they are unable to be reached off-wiki.Alexikoua (talk) 12:31, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Greek speaking

what is the quote for greek speaking? You keep restoring it and I don't see it in the source. Seraphim System 23:04, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Please see WP:CLOP. And WP:TEND while you're at it. Khirurg (talk) 23:11, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

It's not close paraphrasing - the source does not say and you can't assume that Hellenized means Greek-speaking. I am giving you an opportunity to provide a quote to justify the content before changing it back. Randomly citing policies without justification are personal attacks. I suggest you simply justify the content or stop reverting this.Seraphim System 23:14, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

If you can't understand that Hellenized and Greek-speaking are the same thing, I can't help you. There is no need to stick to the exact wording used a by a source. In fact, that's what WP:CLOP is all about. You would do well to familiarize yourself with it. Khirurg (talk) 23:16, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

They are not, Hellenization was literary - they wrote in Greek, if the source does not say what they spoke, you can't assume it. You can't use WP:CLOP as a justification to fundamentally misrepresent .Seraphim System 23:19, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Stop making stuff up. I am not interested in your creative re-definition of "Hellenization". Now stop badgering me. Khirurg (talk) 23:24, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

• "The Ottoman Empire, 1700-1922, Donald Quataert, page 16;

"But inexorably, in the long run, Byzantine Christian, predominantly Greek-speaking, Anatolia was profoundly translformed and over time became Turkish speaking and Muslim"

• "The Formation of Turkey: The Seljukid Sultanate of Rum: Eleventh to Fourteenth, Claude Cahen, page ix;
• "There is a special problem regarding place names as a result of the gradual transformation of Greek-speaking Byzantine Anatolia into Turkish-speaking Seljukid Rum."

This is just two of many I found with little effort.--Kansas Bear (talk) 06:32, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

• Once again, it is not in the source that is cited. Please actually add the correct source for these things, it is necessary for editors to know which sources you are using to have a discussion. The extent of Hellenization throughout Anatolia is also disputed by numerous sources - "the majority in Armenia itself proved consistently resistent to cultural and linguistic imperialism" "when the treachery of the Armenians was in some part responsible for the annihilation of the Byzantine army by the Seljuk Turks" - writing the article so it sounds like the Armenians were all part of one monolithic Greek-speaking Anatolian population is a major distortion of well-attested to historical facts.Seraphim System 08:12, 9 February 2018 (UTC)