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*'''Support''' Sources call it pseudoscience, so Misplaced Pages should call it pseudoscience. That it is based on ] supports its classification as pseudoscience. ] (]) 20:21, 3 March 2018 (UTC) | *'''Support''' Sources call it pseudoscience, so Misplaced Pages should call it pseudoscience. That it is based on ] supports its classification as pseudoscience. ] (]) 20:21, 3 March 2018 (UTC) | ||
*'''Oppose''' per ] in the ]: "There is a significant academic study of faith healing, and that academic study is almost entirely uninterested in pseudoscience." ]] (]) 09:43, 4 March 2018 (UTC) | *'''Oppose''' per ] in the ]: "There is a significant academic study of faith healing, and that academic study is almost entirely uninterested in pseudoscience." ]] (]) 09:43, 4 March 2018 (UTC) | ||
:: No, Misplaced Pages cannot pass exception to personal opinion of editor on this subject. We will have to report what ] state. Find some sources that prove Faith healing is not a pseudoscience. ] (]) 10:52, 4 March 2018 (UTC) | |||
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that Children's Healthcare is a Legal Duty has a page, FWIW. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:24, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
I full-protected for 24 hours so everyone could take a breath and look at this other page maybe and have a think about how to proceed. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:25, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
Video Testimonials
Anyone have any thoughts about adding some links to this article for videos of people testifying about miraculous healings they have received? Doctor (talk) 01:32, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
- Nevermind, the ones I was thinking of are all primary sources. Doctor (talk) 21:34, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
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RfC about inserting content and category about pseudoscience
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Should we include content and category describing Faith healing as a pseudoscience? Raymond3023 (talk) 18:25, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
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- Support - I had added it years ago but my edits were quickly removed. But the fact remains that when much older and sophisticated medical systems like Ayurveda, Traditional Chinese medicine, etc. are categorized and described in their articles as pseudoscience, then Faith healing is clearly not an exception. There are enough reliable sources that describe Faith healing as pseudoscience, more often than those who call Ayurveda, Traditional Chinese medicine a pseudoscience. Raymond3023 (talk) 18:25, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
- Support We have many sources that describe faith healing as a pseudoscience because it makes claims (many that cite specific diseases, such as cancer) to be medically effective. Note that mere faith in God isn't pseudoscience. But faith healing goes beyond that — and makes claims that following certain systems, practitioners, or procedures will produce scientific results. - LuckyLouie (talk) 18:57, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
- Yes. The right question is, why does RS say? From a quick look it seems many sources say this is pseudoscience e.g.. So, Misplaced Pages should mirror RS. Alexbrn (talk) 18:39, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
- Support Sources call it pseudoscience, so Misplaced Pages should call it pseudoscience. That it is based on magical thinking supports its classification as pseudoscience. Dimadick (talk) 20:21, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose per User:WhatamIdoing in the last RfC: "There is a significant academic study of faith healing, and that academic study is almost entirely uninterested in pseudoscience." StAnselm (talk) 09:43, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
- No, Misplaced Pages cannot pass exception to personal opinion of editor on this subject. We will have to report what WP:RS state. Find some sources that prove Faith healing is not a pseudoscience. Raymond3023 (talk) 10:52, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
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- Do they claim it is science or just faith?Slatersteven (talk) 18:31, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
- Almost all claim empirically verifiable outcomes. That is a scientific claim. jps (talk) 03:51, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
- The question about the claim of faith healers is significant. From following the linked notations in this survey (thanks for the ease of access and clarity of your message), many do view it as pseudoscience. To strengthen the article, I believe it could serve well if the claims of empirically verifiable outcomes were as clearly notated. Thanks to all and happy editing.Horst59 (talk) 05:32, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
- Almost all claim empirically verifiable outcomes. That is a scientific claim. jps (talk) 03:51, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
- Comment: This is a rather dubious RfC - it really ought to have mentioned right at the start that this very question was discussed in an RfC a couple of years ago: Talk:Faith healing/Archive 3#RfC: Is faith healing a form of pseudoscience and should it be labeled as such either in the article or by assignment of category pseudoscience? It was a long discussion with a close that was reviewed and endorsed. The consensus was against Faith healing being labled as pseudoscience or being placed in the pseudoscience category. Although consensus can change, it would need a thorough-going consensus here to overturn the previous one. Also, all participants of the previous discussion should be notified. StAnselm (talk) 09:36, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
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