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Slovenia:

Due to exorbitant costs of vignettes aimed at people going to vacation to Croatia and Montenegro and others only passing through Slovenia, the highways are avoided by a large percentage of travellers.

Exorbitant? Large? Any source (beside forums and blogs)?--AndrejJ (talk) 05:53, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't think words such as 'exorbitant' should be used in Misplaced Pages except where exactly attributed to a specific OPINION.

As for the matter at hand, I just returned again from Slovenia and there is a case in the court now asking that Slovenia introduce a 10 day vignette which would be cheaper. As it is now - a visitor from the north driving thru Slovenia from Jesenice (Austrian border) to eg Koper in the south would have paid about 20 Euro return via old toll system and now pay 35 for a 6 month pass. They may save the 15 in gas and time - as the waits for tolls were often terrible at rush times :-). In any case 35 instead of 20 cannot really be called exorbitant - especially if you should use the pass for more than a one-time visit. Going on local roads is an alternative but not a sensible one if time is of any essence. They are more than pleasant if you do want to catch some flavor of Slovenia though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robfwoods (talk • contribs) 10:22, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

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It should be noted that the above has a reference reference to http://www.wieninternational.at/en/node/8938.

This URL has a statement that the 35€ 6 month pass is 23 times the previous toll of 1.50€ for 22 km. This is completely erroneous as the motorway in Slovenia runs for probably 200+ km from Austria to southern Slovenia (as well as east to Maribor) and the round trip toll would have been some 20€ on the old system for a one-time round trip.

Most non-Slovenes using Slovenian highways (not counting trucks, the situation didn't change for them) drive during the summer to the Croatian and Montenegrin coast and back (passing through Slovenia 2 times). This is why Slovenian government is able to profit from the vignettes, while the regular Slovenian highway users pay several times less. The most impacted routes are Trieste-Istria, Trieste-Rijeka and Spielfeld-Macelj. When going north to e.g. Paris it is also better and way faster to use the old road to Dravograd than the Bregana-Ljubljana-Karawanken highway which is not only awful to drive and built in many unconnected stretches, but also takes a sharp curve through Ljubljana. The long parts of Slovenian highways are built for Slovenes only, because they are too impractical to be used by drivers in transit. Admiral Norton 17:05, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Bregana-Ljubljana-Karawanken highway which is not only awful to drive and built in many unconnected stretches.

There are (July 2008) exactly two (2) unconnected pieces: Novo mesto-Trebnje (cca 15km) and part Vrba-Podtabor (cca 20km). Awful to drive??

Paris through Dravograd? You must be joking?

For example, take a common route Zagreb-Munich, ViaMichelin says:

Quickest 104€ / 5h48m / 555km (500km motorways)

Shortest 111€ / 7h34m / 549 km (312km motorways)

Economical 100€ / 11h7m / 716 km (240km motorways)

See also interesting voting: http://www.hak.hr/rezultati-ankete.aspx.

--AndrejJ (talk) 17:02, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Slovenian highways are indeed awful to drive. You know, bumping into a big pothole at 160 km/h is no pleasant experience. The road through Dravograd has better pavement and you don't have to pay €35 for a trip you would usually pay €0.75 in each direction. Admiral Norton 09:40, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Had the dubious pleasure of encountering Slovenian bandits last Friday (04/09/08), checked by a posse of five "Scrambled Egg" uniforms, none of whom mentioned vignettes, didn't see a sign asking for one either. Stayed on the minor road to well past Maribor and took the 5km road to the Austrian frontier (no mention of vignettes), the only interest at the frontier was to shout "criminals", just like the old Commies did. Cost? 35€ for the vignette,150€ "fine" for breaking the law.

Nobody minds the EU helping your economy, just remember that when you help yourselves this way you remind us all about the other defects in the EU. When you do this to friendly innocents you lose friends just like they lose their innocence.

Bad luck to Slovenia and sour grapes in your harvest --Damorbel (talk) 14:34, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Deleted paragraph with rumors only. This is encyclopedia and must be given only validate information, not blogs... Be professional. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.212.187.207 (talk) 14:12, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

I updated the "Slovenia" section to reflect current facts.Somebody might check my grammar. I don't see anything disputable in it, so can the flag be removed ? --Xerces8 (talk) 09:44, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

merge into Toll roads in Europe?

Is there any real reason for this article not to be merged into Toll roads in Europe? Unless anyone's using the stickers outside of Europe, I see no point in having two different lists, we just get duplication or partial information in each article. --Joy (talk) 22:26, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Adding it to Toll roads in Europe would likely make that article too large. There is enough said about a vignette to warrant its own article, it seems. Guffydrawers (talk) 17:48, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Ton or tonne

It is self evident that the unit referred to in this article (vehicle mass) is the (metric) tonne rather than the imperial long or short ton. RashersTierney (talk) 09:18, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Long standing issue, but a new IP seems to be under the impression that ton and tonne are WP:ENGVAR variants of the same mass value. They are not. Rather than engage in edit warring I have asked for outside views. It should be noted that this article has been a target of determined sock puppets in the past. RashersTierney (talk) 23:37, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

I hate it too when everything isn't specified to the letter, so I have added the word "metric" to refer to the correct definition of metric ton (1000 kilograms). I hope this will put your struggle that has lasted over the past 3 years finally to rest. 190.213.15.141 (talk) 15:27, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Hardly a three year struggle, but it does appear to address the issue per the usage outlined at the article Tonne. RashersTierney (talk) 19:35, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Removal of images

Why has this article been butchered with many images being removed without explanation? JG Murphy (talk) 22:27, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

vignettes / car tax

The vignettes described in the France section have nothing to do with toll stickers. It was just the way to prove that you paid your car tax. As a tourist you never had to pay a vignette. France always used toll booths on their motorways. I think the same is true for the vignettes in Montenegro. --93.130.151.77 (talk) 22:59, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, 93.130.151.77. I think you're absolutely right that in France many autoroutes have had a péage (toll) for some decades, and that a vignette to a French speaker is merely proof that the car owner has paid their road tax (see Vignette automobile in French WP). Guffydrawers (talk) 18:24, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

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IP's added claim "Only offering a CHF 40 yearly option, Switzerland's vignette is the most expensive in Europe for transiting passenger car drivers" is WP:POV and not sourced by the given source (PW:VER failed). -- ZH8000 (talk) 02:36, 22 May 2018 (UTC)