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November 29

London Bridge attack

• Nominated by Kingsif (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Terror attack in London without warning (i.e. intelligence) and resulted in shootings (for reiteration: the police in the UK do not regularly carry tasers, let alone guns, let alone use them) Kingsif (talk) 19:31, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose relatively small potatoes in the big scheme of "terror" attacks. Sure, it made a few waves, but the Met Police were on the scene in minutes, unarmed members of the British public ran towards the danger to help, and that was that. Tomorrow, London will be the same, stoic and resilient as it has been for decades. RIP the two innocent citizens. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 19:41, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

• The police being omnipresent is kind of a hallmark of the UK, and London doesn't often see terror attacks, though. Kingsif (talk) 19:48, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

• Well we have a lot of police on the streets of London, but then more than 10 million people live there so I guess you'd expect that. And London has had more than its fair share of terror attacks over the past fifty years. It didn't just start after 9/11. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 19:52, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose Nowhere near the scale of what would be a significant attack (like the bridge attack a few years back). --Masem (t) 19:59, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose a routine occurrence in the UK which will continue until meaningful knife control laws are implemented --LaserLegs (talk) 20:01, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

  I'm not sure what "knife control laws" means here. It's illegal to carry a knife in the UK, just like it's legal to carry a gun in the US. If this guy had a gun, he'd have killed dozens. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 20:03, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

  Hey, LaserLegs, perhaps you could make comments about knife control in the Netherlands next? The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 20:11, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

  Gotta nominate it first. It's just as unlawful to commit gun murder in the USA as it is to commit knife and vehicle murder in the UK but until something is done to control these lethal implements psychotic mass killings with knives and vans (or "lorrys") will continue unabated. It's sad, maybe, but so routine as to not warrant posting on the main page. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:55, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

• Say what? Since when are terrorist attacks a routine occurrence in the UK? 49 TL 20:08, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

• Have you heard of the IRA? The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 20:11, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose Regardless of LaserLegs' impressively dimwitted oppose above (UK knife deaths 2018 = 285, US kinfe deaths 2018 = 1,515 ... but US gun deaths 2018 = 39,773), this is probably not rising to the level of ITN. Black Kite (talk) 21:53, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Burning Sun scandal

• Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Bonnielou2013 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Top news. Article well referenced. Sherenk1 (talk) 12:02, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support This definitely an unique case. Article is very good, and sourced.BabbaQ (talk) 15:55, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
• Weak support. Celebrity sex scandals are usually not suitable for ITN, but this does seem to be an unusual case, ties into a wider social issue in South Korea, and has an extremely well-developed article. The article quality tips me over into supporting this. Modest Genius 17:42, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
• Weak support per Modest Genius. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:45, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose with respect to those above, the blurb gives no-one any indication of what makes this in any way more notable than any other "celebrity" being sent to prison for any kind of crime. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 19:25, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

RD: Yasuhiro Nakasone

• Nominated by Ad Orientem (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Oldest (formerly) living ex-Prime Minister of Japan at 101, and one of the last high ranking pols who was a veteran of the world war. Referencing needs some work but not in dreadful shape. Ad Orientem (talk) 04:32, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

• Comment Some ref problems: CN's and I've encountered (and fixed) a few dead links on spot check. Doable.130.233.2.197 (talk) 08:29, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
• Weakest oppose just a bare minimum of citations needed now for the BLP, what's there is mainly fine. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 10:55, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support Missing citations added 46.7.236.180 (talk) 20:59, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

November 28

2019 Uruguayan general election

• Nominated by MSN12102001 (talk · give credit)

 MSN12102001 (talk) 23:16, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

• Comment: Needs a prose update in the results. Spencer 02:30, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
• Weak support everything there seems satis, but per Spencer, it's a pity there's not a single scrap of prose describing the results, reactions to the results etc. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 19:32, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

November 27

(Posted) RD: Ciputra

• Updated and nominated by Zanhe (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Indonesian billionaire and philanthropist. Zanhe (talk) 10:18, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support - Everything is in order. STSC (talk) 17:22, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
• Comment looks like it might need a copyvio check. Kingsif (talk) 17:58, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

  That is a serious charge to be cast about willy nilly. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 19:10, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

@Kingsif: I take your comment to imply that the article has reached a professional-level quality, so thanks for your complement. And thank you Coffeeandcrumbs for conducting a copyvio check. Cheers, -Zanhe (talk) 21:49, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I was reading on mobile and felt that the career section read more professional than the rest, then noticed it was entirely cited to one source - unable to do a check myself, I suggested it, as a comment rather than an oppose because of pure questioning. Take this as support.Kingsif (talk) 00:40, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation, sounds like a reasonable concern. Cheers, -Zanhe (talk) 01:21, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support – I have done a copyvio check and see no issues of plagiarism. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 19:15, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support – seems good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 00:25, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
• Posted. Spencer 02:31, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

RD: William Ruckelshaus

• Nominated by Davey2116 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: American attorney, U.S. deputy attorney general who quit in the Saturday Night Massacre, dies at age 87. Article has significant sourcing gaps. Davey2116 (talk) 21:00, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

• Needs more sources. The Saturday Night Massacre section is unsourced. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:06, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose whole sections without a single ref. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 10:14, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose - There're some unsourced contents. STSC (talk) 17:18, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
• 'Oppose - ping me if the issues are solved.BabbaQ (talk) 17:49, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

RD: Jonathan Miller

• Nominated by Black Kite (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Important writer and theatre director. Article needs quite a bit of work. Black Kite (talk) 15:42, 27 November 2019 (UTC))

• Weak Support that is conditional on more citations being added. Taewangkorea (talk) 18:53, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose whole sections and paragraphs without reference. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 10:15, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Clive James

• Nominated by The Rambling Man (talk · give credit)
• Updated by JennyOz (talk · give credit)

 The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 16:27, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose. With regret, too much unsourced. He certainly deserves to be posted. Very notable personality in UK. A lot of good work there by User:Johndavies837. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:30, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose - Very undersourced. It'd be like moving a mountain to source all of that in due time. ~mike_gigs _contribs 16:52, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

• I dunno, he's a very well known figure in the UK and the death was only announced today, so could be considered under Nov 27. Once the obituaries come out there will be plenty of sources available.-- P-K3 (talk) 16:58, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

• Note: Died 24 Nov, announced 27 Nov, so moved to today. Black Kite (talk) 19:40, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
• Strong support - additional Australian ref - Clive James — writer, TV broadcaster and critic — dies aged 80 - one of our most famous expats Bahudhara (talk) 02:16, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose – We have ignored even more notable people because the article lacks proper sourcing. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 12:20, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

• Sourcing is now much improved, but Bibliography still needs a lot. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:23, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose - The proliferation of {{fact}} tags in the article is worse than Margarita Pracatan's aural assault on "Helooooooooo". Sorry. Ritchie333 17:08, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose...for the time being. I liked him, but don't have time to help clearing the CNs. STSC (talk) 17:45, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose as it appears not many people are able to clean up the CNs. Taewangkorea (talk) 18:20, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

• I'd suggest that very many are able, but very few seem to be ready or willing. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:39, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support. Sourcing now looks ok. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:47, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 01:44, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) 2019 Albania earthquake

• Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Johndavies837 (talk · give credit) and Mikenorton (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Article is well referenced and enough for ITN Sherenk1 (talk) 07:13, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support Short but well composed article, death toll somewhat larger than expected for that part of the world. Updated blurb with casualty numbers from the article.130.233.2.197 (talk) 07:33, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support A well referenced article about a notable event. --Λeternus 08:33, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support This was one of the strongest and deadliest tremors in the region for years. Media still focus their attention on the aftermath and international aid sent.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:40, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
• Posting. --Tone 10:01, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Godfrey Gao

• Updated and nominated by Morgan695 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Sunuraju (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Taiwanese-Canadian model and actor. Article is well-sourced. Morgan695 (talk) 05:15, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support - Career section could be expanded, but Filmography section is well cited, so looks good enough ~mike_gigs _contribs 12:27, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
  • I've fleshed out the biographical information in the article some more. Morgan695 (talk) 16:04, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support I don't see any major problems. Taewangkorea (talk) 18:54, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support Article is well developed. -Zanhe (talk) 20:36, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:34, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Yeshi Dhonden

• Nominated by Miraclepine (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Rédacteur Tibet (talk · give credit) and Csgir (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The Tibetan doctor. All the paragraphs end with a cite but please attach them to some sentences if possible. ミラP 01:28, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

• Weak Support - Article is cited very well but it is close to a stub ~mike_gigs _contribs 12:25, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Article is short, but concised. --Rédacteur Tibet (talk) 15:29, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
• Weak Support No major problems but the article can certainly be expanded. Taewangkorea (talk) 18:56, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:04, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

November 26

(Posted) RD: Sudhir Dar

• Updated and nominated by Nizil Shah (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The article requires minor copyediting. Nizil (talk) 08:02, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

• Weak support some additional references in the Books section would be helpful, the rest is satis. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 10:16, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support Just did a whole-article CE. There is one statement commented out, which I couldn't find a source for, but I think this is good enough.130.233.2.197 (talk) 08:18, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:17, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Gary Rhodes

• Updated and nominated by Black Kite (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Cowlibob (talk · give credit) and Martinevans123 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: UK celebrity chef. I've tidied it up and cited what I can at the moment but it still needs a bit of work. Black Kite (talk) 10:38, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

• Note I think this is pretty much cited now. Black Kite (talk) 15:00, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support Looks good.-- P-K3 (talk) 15:10, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support now that some citations have been added. Thanks Black Kite! ~mike_gigs _contribs 15:33, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support Well sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:49, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:58, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Georgian protests

• Nominated by Banedon (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 31.146.198.77 (talk · give credit) and ArsenalAtletico2017 (talk · give credit)

 Banedon (talk) 22:13, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose I have read the article twice and have no idea what is going on. Also I have no sense that these are massive demonstrations of the sort we may cover as opposed to the relatively run of the mill, which we do not. The article is confusing and I am not even certain that anything of significance is still going on. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:28, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose This cannot possibly go to Ongoing, because the protests have ended. The article is terrible, and does not portray events chronologically. It's discussing things from June under Reactions to protests which ended two weeks ago. The format of the article suggests that it was, or might have been, an election article that got COATRACKED into it's current form. Additionally, I check Russian language media outside of Russia and found nothing about this.130.233.2.197 (talk) 08:08, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose both per above and because the article barely mentions protests that are currently happening (i.e. in the news) ~mike_gigs _contribs 12:23, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support - It's quite OK to me. STSC (talk) 18:26, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose before making a judgment on if it's ITN-worthy, the article would need significant improvements. The first being that the list of 'lead figures' in the infobox is longer than the list of refs. Kingsif (talk) 18:57, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per the myriad concerns. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 10:17, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) Hong Kong protests

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

• Nominated by Banedon (talk · give credit)

• Reason for renomination? It was likely removed because of the similar election article.  Nixinova  T C   22:47, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

They're different articles. Related because they're different aspects of the same story, but still separate. Banedon (talk) 22:51, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose for now. I think having the blurb about the election is enough. Once that is about to get bumped off of ITN, I think the protests should be readded to Ongoing and a conversation opened up about whether it should be taken down. --PlasmaTwa2 00:45, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose - Having the blurb is sufficient.--WaltCip (talk) 00:47, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
• Comment The blurb should be modified so that the protest article is included in it, for context. ― Hebsen_{(previously Heb the best)} (talk) 01:19, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
• Updated election blurb to include link to protests. Spencer 01:35, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support restoring to ongoing once the blurb, which is now second from the bottom, rolls off. Davey2116 (talk) 03:11, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose the article had not been "continuously updated" as stipulated by WP:ITN for some time, instead getting sporadic, non-specific one sentence updates like "On 2 November, a mostly peaceful but unapproved election gathering at Victoria Park saw police quickly responding by employing tear gas". The election is a good to transition this off the main page. If you want to nominate a different article then fine but this one is a no-go for me.--LaserLegs (talk) 03:21, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
• Wait until the current blurb falls off the main page. Then reassess and renominate if it looks justified. My guess is that we have not heard the last of this. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:30, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose The problem that LaserLegs mentions is very real. While this event is indeed in the news, the updates are very poor and serve more to keep the article in Ongoing than to inform the reader. Nearly all of the updates can be called "crime blotter" or "routine protest events". Crime in Chicago likely impacts the lives of English Misplaced Pages readers more, generates more deaths and political frustration than this event, and yet we don't update the article with meticulous details and perma-post it to the Main Page. Because ITN is not a news ticker, and we apply some editorial discretion about "what is encyclopedic" when posting. Additionally, the article is plagued by UNDUE and BIAS, and my own efforts to get clear BLP violations fixed revealed an recalcitrant and entrenched editor clique. The best thing that ITN can do for this event is to blurb genuinely notable developments.130.233.2.197 (talk) 07:58, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Although I am opposed to putting this item back on the ongoing ticker, the above rationale is utter nonsense. The Hong Kong protests and shootings in Chicago are nowhere near on the same level of international importance.--WaltCip (talk) 15:53, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Crime in Chicago is much more than shooting. Name a nationality or ethnicity, it likely has a gang (often several) making millions through bookmaking, extortion, prostitution, robbery, drug dealing, smuggling and tax evasion, much of which depends on foreign events, dossiers, hookers, tourists, drugs, animals and banks. A lot of that money goes a lot of places, including Hong Kong. You ever hear of Al Capone? So has everyone. His outfit's still very ongoing, too, and will be when Jimmy Sham's game is over and maybe remembered in a few online documentaries. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:11, November 28, 2019 (UTC)

If you want to see Crime in Chicago in the box then nominate it. This is about Hong Kong, and while the Chicago comparison may be debatable, everything else the IP said is spot on. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:23, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose - It was removed for a reason, just leave it that way. STSC (talk) 18:20, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose clearly inappropriate for ongoing. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 10:17, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

November 25

(Posted) RD: Frank Biondi

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by BriefEdits (talk · give credit) and KidAd (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:05, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support Looks good to me. – Ammarpad (talk) 09:50, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Small article but is cited well ~mike_gigs _contribs 12:26, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
• Comment I only looked briefly at this, a couple of unsourced items. It might be better to expand it first and cite it, rather than promote it and let it get expanded with unsourced material. Feel very not strongly about it and barely looked at the article, just a note. Kees08 (Talk) 16:12, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support I see no problems. Taewangkorea (talk) 17:43, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:09, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) Dresden heist

• Nominated by Brandmeister (talk · give credit)
• Created by HAL333 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Leaky.Solar (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: While the €1 billion total value is currently unconfirmed, this is reported to be the largest diamond heist since WWII at least. Brandmeister 23:25, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support Interesting, has expansive coverage, and the article is in pretty good shape. Teemu08 (talk) 02:51, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support shocking heist, widely reported. -Zanhe (talk) 05:02, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support Clearly related to the latest Rick & Morty episode. (j/c - noteworthy theft, article up to par). --Masem (t) 05:53, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support I am not typically a big fan of crime related nominations, but this is highly unusual on multiple levels. The article looks to be in decent shape. -Ad Orientem (talk) 06:09, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support This is an interesting story and thefts of such valuable items don't occur very often.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:47, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support although in my variant of English, we'd just say "... from Dresden Castle ..." rather than "... from the Dresden Castle ..." The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 08:26, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
•  Posted. Tweaked the blurb a bit, to resolve RM's concern above and also to link Dresden Castle. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:53, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

  I think we should also mention/link Grünes Gewölbe or "Green Vault Museum" — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:56, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) 107th Grey Cup

• Nominated by Plasma Twa 2 (talk · give credit)

 PlasmaTwa2 20:02, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support - Well cited and nice to see a solid prose summary of the game ~mike_gigs _contribs 20:38, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support. A well developed article with a good update. Seems fine to me. Modest Genius 20:49, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Article details a North American sports championship game, which is in line with other similar featured articles. Includes strong details and summaries. Cmm3 (talk) 21:33, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support - ITN/R, quality is good. -Zanhe (talk) 05:03, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Andrew Harris being named the game MVP should be sourced and in prose. (Incidentally, he also was named the Most Outstanding Canadian, the first to win both)—Bagumba (talk) 05:17, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

  Done. --PlasmaTwa2 06:16, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

  Support—Bagumba (talk) 07:24, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

• Posted, waiting for image protection before changing the image. Someone else is welcome to add it once it is protected; it may be an hour or so before I can. 331dot (talk) 07:37, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Image now changed. 331dot (talk) 07:52, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

RD: George Clements

• Nominated by GreatCaesarsGhost (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Dommiraubi (talk · give credit)

 GreatCaesarsGhost 19:23, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

*Weak Support The article is a bit promotional and sounds like a resume. Also, some parts are unsourced. However, I think that they are relatively minor fixes. Taewangkorea (talk) 05:33, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Change to Weak Oppose until the issues are fixed. Taewangkorea (talk) 17:42, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose CN's need fixing before posting. The many short sections might better be rolled into one large section titled Church initiatives or similar. The lede contains information which is not explained by prose in the article: "He is also well known for his involvement in civil rights activities during a period that extended from the late 1960s to present".130.233.2.197 (talk) 06:28, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose too much of it is unreferenced. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 08:28, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

November 24

(Posted) RD: Colin Mawby

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Sad. Was a DYK article in 2012 but I found many sources gone and had to replace them. Lovely person whom I met. Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:27, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support. Looks well sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:01, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Seconding Martinevans123's sentiments ~mike_gigs _contribs 12:29, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support – Marked ready. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 13:00, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Kees08 (Talk) 16:00, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) 2019 Romanian presidential election

• Nominated by 2601:602:9200:1310:255D:8BC0:E8A0:2C21 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Wekahash (talk · give credit) and Alexandru M. (talk · give credit)

 2601:602:9200:1310:255D:8BC0:E8A0:2C21 (talk) 03:34, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support Very good election article. Cursory looksee of refs looks fine. ITNR.130.233.2.197 (talk) 07:31, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
• Weak support - Article looks well referenced, but I think there could be more prose in the Results section. I've also added an Altblurb as the original seemed a bit bland ~mike_gigs _contribs 13:34, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support Imperfect, but nothing worth keeping it off the MP. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:34, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support both blurbs. No red flags. Taewangkorea (talk) 18:09, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:12, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
• 'After failing to receive a majority of votes in the first round' seems an unnecessary detail and an overly negative way of introducing the blurb. The entire clause could be deleted, as could 'in a runoff election'. Modest Genius 20:28, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

  If the original blurb is considered better, we can switch to that? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:45, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

  MSGJ, I think that might be best. A run-off election 2 weeks after the first round is not very notable. It seems like the usual course of how elections progress in Romania, looking at the previous years. There has been a second round in every election since 1992. It is nowhere close to what is happening in Israel. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 21:15, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

  But keep the party as in altblurb2. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 21:19, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

  Seems like User:Stephen has already done it, whether by reading this or unilaterally — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:41, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

  Unilaterally. I didn't spot the discussion here. Stephen 02:48, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

  I originally posted it to WP:ERRORS, where it would be seen more quickly, but for some reason User:MSGJ moved it here. Modest Genius 14:24, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: John Simon

• Nominated by GreatCaesarsGhost (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Dommiraubi (talk · give credit)

 GreatCaesarsGhost 15:47, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support condition on the 3 citation needed templates being fixed. Taewangkorea (talk) 18:11, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
  • I spy one more citation needed template (updating in case anyone was looking to promote) Kees08 (Talk) 07:23, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Found a citation for it. Kees08 (Talk) 07:41, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support, providing his awards are sourced. Not the most popular fellow in the theater circle. Jip Orlando (talk) 18:17, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Looks like this has been addressed. Kees08 (Talk) 07:23, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Ref formatting could use some work Kees08 (Talk) 07:41, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) 2019 Hong Kong local elections

• Nominated by Davey2116 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: These are nominally 'local' elections, which we don't usually post. However, the district councils are the only wholly and directly elected part of the Hong Kong government. And, the huge turnout and the pro-democracy camp's large victory here has important political ramifications for the protest movement going forwards. These elections are already getting international coverage. Davey2116 (talk) 00:38, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support Unprecedented turn out with ousting of Pro-Beijing candidates. District Councils: Pre election: 124 seats were held by Pro-democracy members 331 by Pro-Beijing ; After election 389 seats were Pro-democracy 89 Pro-Beijing. "The pro-democrats delivered the biggest landslide in Hong Kong history, seizing control of 17 of the 18 District Councils, tripling their seats from about 124 to 389, and would be able to capture the 117 seats in the Election Committee District Council subsectors which was responsible for electing the Chief Executive." Geographyinitiative (talk) 00:41, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support as before we don't usually post local elections, but this one is unique in both coverage and significance. The only question is whether to remove the Hong Kong protests from Ongoing with this as a blurb. I think not: they are separate events. Banedon (talk) 01:26, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose have we posted HK elections in the past? (I know we've spit venom at other "local elections"). If this is significant because of the protests, then it's covered well enough by the ongoing item which has been sitting in the box for nearly 8 months. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:54, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose we don't post local elections. This one may be more notable than the average local election, but then on the other hand the Hong Kong protests are already covered in ongoing. If this is the defining moment in the protests, then I could see posting this, but as of right now there's no sign that this will change anything with regard to the ongoing protests. NorthernFalcon (talk) 02:43, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
• Opposeper above. We don't post local elections at ITN. Ongoing should have this covered. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:49, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support removing from 'ongoing' and replacing with ALT3 blurb and then afterwards making a determination whether it is still "ongoing". Per the linked NYT story, this was not just a local election, this election took on outsize significance, and was viewed as a referendum on the unrest that has created the city’s worst political crisis in decades. ALT3 blurb suggestion: 2019 Hong Kong local elections result in the biggest landslide in the city's history, with the pro-democracy camp winning 17 out of 18 district council seats. – Levivich 04:49, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
• Comment - Was going to nominate myself but seeing the previous oppose to local election nominations, did not do so. However we can see that this is top news worldwide and the article is well referenced with sufficient prose. We can do an exception in this case, we are not saying that local elections should be ITNR. Sherenk1 (talk) 06:13, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support Levivich's proposal. Anything which is top news on both Reuters and Agence France Presse (11/25/2019 - 06:36 story, and see the editor's choice left and centre videos) should easily qualify for a blurb. The outcome was "nothing short of a revolution", Hong Kong political analyst Willy Lam said. "It's a sound repudiation of the (Hong Kong) administration and Beijing's policy toward Hong Kong." starship.paint (talk) 06:56, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support add blurb/remove from Ongoing. ITNR is not a requirement for posting; non-ITNR items may be posted after establishing significance, and this meets that criteria. The article is in good shape. Elections are considered by all parties to be significant events, whereas the protest details are very routine and would get SNOWed if nominated alone. We can add the protests back to Ongoing if necessary.130.233.2.197 (talk) 07:28, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support. They may be local elections but, given the current situation in Hong Kong, they are clearly significant enough to feature on the front page of major international news outlets. I also think this can be compatible with keeping the protests article in the Ongoing section; the articles are related and complement each other as they each tackle different aspects of the situation. Conejero intl (talk) 11:00, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Local elections though they may be, there is an extraordinary amount of international attention being paid to them by the news media. As it's in the news, we'd be remiss not to include it.--WaltCip (talk) 12:58, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Went with the original blurb. --Jayron32 13:15, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
• PP support – Interesting that they allowed any election at all. – Sca (talk) 14:10, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
• Comment Can we modify the blurb so that the 2019 Hong Kong protests are included in the blurb, for example by appending , held during protests to it? This context is what makes these elections important. ― Hebsen_{(previously Heb the best)} (talk) 19:40, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support - I agree with the suggestions made by @Hebsen:. The election is significant, not only because of pro-democratic bloc's victory, but also because it essentially functions as a referendum to show that the public is still supporting the Hong Kong protesters. OceanHok (talk) 14:14, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

RD: Goo Hara

• Nominated by SirEdimon (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: South Korean K-pop singer was found dead in her house. Most likely suicide. --SirEdimon (talk) 16:49, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose 39 s? The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:14, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose There are too many (like 40) cn templates. Taewangkorea (talk) 23:04, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose 36 citation needed templates in case anyone wanted an update. Kees08 (Talk) 07:22, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

2019 Davis Cup

• Nominated by Conejero intl (talk · give credit)
• Created by Cristóbalrguacl (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The Davis Cup is the premier international team event in men's tennis. Known as the "World Cup" of tennis, it is one of the few tennis events in which players are part of national teams. Conejero intl (talk) 07:37, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose - Limited prose in the article, specifically about the results of the matches ~mike_gigs _contribs 13:25, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Acceptable. STSC (talk) 19:09, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose For lack of prose, throughout the article, AND in the manifold, sprawling table-laden daughter articles. Groups of articles like this are fine as far as they go: documenting the fine-details results of a long competition in tables. But they are just not suitable for ITN. 130.233.2.197 (talk) 10:13, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

November 23

(Posted) 2019 Copa Libertadores Final

• Nominated by NorthernFalcon (talk · give credit)
• Created by Neistron (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Modest Genius (talk · give credit), DagosNavy (talk · give credit) and Chanheigeorge (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: This was nominated last year and posted, and it's the most significant club soccer match outside of Europe. There's also a bit of political background to it as the match was postponed and moved due to the Chilean protests. The article however could use a little bit of updating before being posted. NorthernFalcon (talk) 11:22, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support. Article seems to have been updated after the match with the latest developments. Clearly a very notable game. MSN12102001 (talk) 13:45, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose This is not how sporting event pages need to be updated. There's no prose on the game itself. 2019 Copa Libertadores Final#Match needs prose. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:51, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose no summary of the match. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:57, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose but will support if a summary of the match itself is added Taewangkorea (talk) 23:25, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support – This is ITNR and appears ready to post. There is now a sourced match summary. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 00:36, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support. A prose summary of the match has been added and the article seems good enough to me. I've just done a copyedit. Modest Genius 14:03, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:58, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Liu Shahe

• Updated and nominated by Zanhe (talk · give credit)

 Zanhe (talk) 10:40, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support I don't see any problems. Taewangkorea (talk) 23:27, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
• Posted --valereee (talk) 02:51, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) Murder of Grace Millane

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• Nominated by MaxBrowne2 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Nixinova (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Akld guy (talk · give credit), Lcmortensen (talk · give credit) and Andykatib (talk · give credit)

• Oppose good faith nom. Even in the middle of this unusually slow period at ITN, I don't think we should be posting tabloid news. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:12, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Not considered "tabloid" in nz and the failure of the "rough sex" defence is legally significant. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 04:34, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Indeed, as per this article, "Concern grows over ‘rough sex gone wrong’ defence in courts", in The Guardian . The case - from her disappearance to the murder trial - was certainly not tabloid news in Australia either. RebeccaGreen (talk) 06:45, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

I wouldn't say it was tabloid in the UK either, and whole case is significant there because of how NZ always seen as safe for single female travelers. Kingsif (talk) 04:49, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose A murder verdict is legit major breaking news, by any court reporter's standards, but a weird time to start publicizing a story. Save updates for previous ITN-featured allegations, suspects or victims. Less jarring for the unfamiliar that way. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:02, November 23, 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment If this story was going to be featured, conviction is the correct time - ITN does not feature allegations, suspects or charges in almost all instances (in part due to WP:BLP considerations). Crimes do sometimes feature when they happen, but that's judged on individual merit at the time. Thryduulf (talk) 12:41, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose May be a high profile NZ case, but it doesn't have international ramifications. --Masem (t) 05:08, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

The victim, her parents and most everyone who'd know her to miss her were and will be dealing with this in England long after what's-his-name stops bothering New Zealanders. But yeah, the NZ news is hit harder than the UK press. Ri Chun-hee is apparently unmoved, for better or worse. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:55, November 23, 2019 (UTC)

I'd also add that the people involved here were not high profile, in contrast to the Oscar Pistorius case which I know we did post despite arguing also having no significant international importance. May be high profile in the country of interest (and this would go for any US case too, we aren't special in that regard) but its easy in such a case to judge how international media is coveraging it to know if it has recognizability beyond the country borders. --Masem (t) 15:17, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose Not of major international significance.  Nixinova  T C   05:36, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose A run-of-the-mill murder case blown out of proportion by the media. Lcmortensen (mailbox) 06:30, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose – Per Masem, et al. – Sca (talk) 15:13, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. Per above. MSN12102001 (talk) 15:14, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. Though tragic, I don't believe this belongs on the first page. Misplaced Pages is not a newspaper. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 17:09, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

William Wang (defector)

• Nominated by Geographyinitiative (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Defector making allegations about Chinese government involvement in Taiwan, Hong Kong and Australia Geographyinitiative (talk) 00:39, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose Stub article, no blurb, no sources presented. I don't speak Mandarin so why would I go to the Mandarin Misplaced Pages? Further, your nom comment suggests the story is about a defector making allegations. That doesn't mean they're true. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:09, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support on significance - it's seeing a lot of coverage in different countries. The allegations have been taken seriously as well, with Taiwan opening investigations already. However, the article is threadbare right now; it'll need more details to be posted. Banedon (talk) 01:29, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose It's hard to tell yet whether the guy is a real spy or not, but he's quite possibly a fraudster, see The Age. In any case, this does not rise to the significance of a blurb (at first glance I thought it was an RD nomination). -Zanhe (talk) 04:14, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. The article is mostly reaction to his defection, might fail WP:1E, and seems to have WP:BLP issues. There's no indication of any major significance or even if his allegations are plausible. The nomination was incomplete ('see Mandarin Misplaced Pages' is not a legitimate source) and gives no rationale either. Modest Genius 14:08, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose - Not proven allegations from someone just wanted to stay in Australia. STSC (talk) 19:06, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

(Stale) RD: Barbara Hillary

• Nominated by Wugapodes (talk · give credit)
• Created by TheThingy (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: First black woman to reach either and both global poles. Wug·a·po·des​ 18:40, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

I'm really sorry. This is a decent article but is too stale to post now. We have had a rush of good nominations lately. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:12, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

November 22

(Posted) RD: Stephen Cleobury

• Nominated by Klbrain (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit) and Martinevans123 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Death announced on 23rd. Choral conductor best known for annual Christmas broadcasts of Carols from Kings for 37 years, broadcast internationally. Klbrain (talk) 15:13, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

• Comment: Thank you for the nomination! I am still working on it, CDs need refs (will do that next). Formatting of refs is substandard, facts could be added. Sad. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:18, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
• Update: Added a few more facts from a Guardian obit. A note the addition of further referencing for the CDs by Gerda Arendt, which look good. Klbrain (talk) 18:04, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
• Update: all referenced. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:16, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support the "as conductor" section should be in chronological order, but the rest is okay, so fine for me. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:19, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support, all sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:57, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support, and thank you to User:Martinevans123 and User:Gerda Arendt for their work on this, you've really turned this around. Rob (talk) 21:41, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Kees08 (Talk) 22:36, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

RD: Arthur Marks

• Updated and nominated by DBigXray (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: C Class article, needs volunteers to help with the sourcing. Death announced on 22. DBigXrayᗙ 09:29, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose refs needed. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:20, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

RD: Michael J. Pollard

• Updated and nominated by DBigXray (talk · give credit)
• Updated by PumpkinButter (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Start Class article, needs volunteers to help with the sourcing. Death announced on 22. DBigXrayᗙ 09:15, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose most of the prose seems referenced, but the filmography isn't and that even includes works which don't have articles... The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:21, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

RD: Henry Sobel

• Nominated by SirEdimon (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The most important rabbi in Brazilian recent history. The article has some ref issues, but I hope to fix it in the next hours. --SirEdimon (talk) 01:48, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

• Comment I am not wowed by the overall quality of the article. There are orange tags which are a showstopper at ITN. And frankly the article seems to have a lot of gaps. It needs expansion and more details on his life. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:18, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose I agree with the tags: the article is 45% bio, 45% arrest/hospitalization, 10% other. Probably not balanced. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:23, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

RD: Gugu Liberato

• Nominated by SirEdimon (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: One of the greatest Brazilian TV presenter ever. Widely popular in the country. Died from a domestic acident. The article has several issues, but I'm working on it.. I believe I fixed them all. --SirEdimon (talk) 01:41, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose - orange tagged for references. Thryduulf (talk) 12:42, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose for now. Too many paragraphs are still unreferenced. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 17:06, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support. Referencing fixed. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 21:19, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
• Did he really fall from the ceiling? Or did he fall off a roof? Zagalejo^^^ 18:00, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Zagalejo According to the reports in the Brazilian press he was changing the filter in one air conditioning equipment on the ceiling when he fell and hit his head on the floor.--SirEdimon (talk) 19:31, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
• Comment Thryduulf and Lefcentreright I think I fixed all the ref issues.--SirEdimon (talk) 19:31, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support Looks better now. – Ammarpad (talk)
• Weak oppose what's there seems cited, but it's a little hagiographical for me. It's all about how great he was. And I'm not enamoured by phrases like Santos was about to undergo a delicate surgery and made a millionaire proposal to Gugu because (a) I don't understand "a delicate surgery" and (b) "a millionaire proposal" sounds proper tabloid. It's just one example of the floral and overtly positive writing. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:25, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
  • @SirEdimon: Would you be able to address TRMs weak oppose? Kees08 (Talk) 16:01, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
    • Kees08 and The Rambling Man Actually, this story that TRM calls "hagiographical" is real and widely known in Brazil. Silvio Santos (SBT's owner and Brazilian most important TV's host) was about to undergo a surgery that could have made him voiceless and convinced Gugu (who had already signed a contract with Globo) to return to SBT offering him a huge amount of money , which made him, at that time, the better paid TV host in Brazil. But to address TRM concerns I can use the exact words and values. Like "Santos was about to undergo a delicate surgery in his vocal chords, which could strongly affect his voice and made a millionaire proposal to Gugu, offering him much of the Sunday's programming schedule, a minimum wage of USD 50,000 per month and USD 300,000 in advance plus holdings in merchandising and ads, which made him the better-paid TV's host in Brazil at that time" or something like this. What do you think? If TRM has other concerns I can also try to address them. If you want to check, there's a source here. It's in Portuguese, but you can translate it and have a good idea about the story I'm telling.--SirEdimon (talk) 02:19, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
      • All I'm sayin is that it needs to be written neutral and encyclopedic in tone, which when I looked, it wasn't. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 11:12, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Colombia protests

• Nominated by Kingsif (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Could in some way tie it to the final absolute jump-off point of the new Latin American Spring. Kingsif (talk) 00:53, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support Could use a little more expansion about what led to the protests in the first place, but meets minimum standards. Spencer 17:23, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Sadly, three deaths in a protest just isnt a notable blurb in today's world. Perhaps post to ongoing, but no new additions since the 22nd.—Bagumba (talk) 07:24, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
  • It's at seven deaths (in the first 2 days), I just thought three on the first day was rather notable. Compared to only one death in HK protests all year. Kingsif (talk) 16:56, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose like Bagumba, the initial story is "meh" and yet the article seems to be suggesting this is an ongoing issue. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:26, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support blurb and ongoing later. Hundreds of thousands of people involved, dominates national news, etc. Banedon (talk) 01:31, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Globally and regionally significant news. STSC (talk) 19:15, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support per above. Davey2116 (talk) 03:26, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) Remove: Trump impeachment inquiry

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• Keep Slow week? Did you forget your winking smiley after this? Tuesday and Wednesday's testimony was the most substantial event since the whistle-blower. Also the impeachment vote is in the house; the removal vote is in the Senate. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:49, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
• Keep until he is acquitted, resigns or is removed. It's going to be front page news everywhere until them, and we serve our readers by helping them find reliable information about this topic. Jehochman 13:53, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

  Exactly the same could be said for Brexit. And actually, Trump's impeachment is nowhere near front page news in the UK, whereas Brexit and our general election (as a result of Brexit deadlock) most certainly is. We could serve our (non-American) readers well by restoring Brexit if this argument holds any water. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 16:44, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

• Keep I supported removal last time but after this week, how could we remove it? ~mike_gigs _contribs 14:02, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
• Remove per nom. If we were considering these events in isolation, they would not be posted as individual ITN items until the final vote. Spencer 15:04, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
• Remove The event is going to take months (between the current questioning, the House forming and voting on the terms of impeachment, etc.) It's major news, and there's a ton of coverage of it in US sources, but its going to be like this through the end of the Congressional term before they take their holiday break, and likely to continue into Jan and Feb. Clearly, if the House votes to pass the terms of impeachment, that's a blurb, and at the point if the Senate holds their sessions to actually determine if to convict, that might be where ongoing would be appropriate again since that would be more reasonably limited in its time frame (a month or so). --Masem (t) 15:16, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
• Keep This is what ongoing is for. The article continues to be updated, as the process is ongoing. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:22, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose – (keep) – Developments continue. Today DT sez he wants to be impeached. This is the most significant political topic in the U.S. since the days of "I am not a crook." – Sca (talk) 16:39, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
• Keep. Per above. MSN12102001 (talk) 16:50, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
• Keep Article has been updated essentially daily, and has a full paragraph of new information just about the events of yesterday. Meets all of the requirements for Ongoing items in spades. --Jayron32 16:52, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
• Keep per Muboshgu and Jayron. I have to say that "nothing major beyond a handful of witness testimonies" is quite an understatement considering how much coverage they generated.-- P-K3 (talk) 17:17, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
• Keep per above. Still in the news, still updated frequently. Davey2116 (talk) 21:07, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

UK misses an UNGA deadline to hand over Chagos Archipelago to Mauritius

• Nominated by Viva Nicolás (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: This is a significant development in the history of decolonisation, the Chagos Archipelago is the last remaining European colony in Africa and among the last in the world. Also highlights the UK's disregard for an UNGA resolution which almost unanimously decided that the occupation of the islands is illegal. Viva Nicolás (talk) 16:07, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose Article has no update, unclear the significance of missing the deadline, and seems more written for WP:RGW than ITN. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:16, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
• There are no updates in the article and it is too long. An interesting story, otherwise. Would support if the article was ok. --Tone 16:16, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Holy quotes... article is not really up to par, hasn't been updated yet, and per Muboshgu, we're not trying to WP:RGW ~mike_gigs _contribs 16:48, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. The UNGA is a largely toothless body, aside from the RGW issue. 331dot (talk) 23:34, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Must tell the world about this. STSC (talk) 19:19, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

That's what the news is for, not Misplaced Pages. 331dot (talk) 19:24, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Oh, yes. ITN would tell the world. STSC (talk) 17:46, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

We don't right great wrongs. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:50, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose on significance.-- P-K3 (talk) 17:55, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

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