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POV against Italy

I find the article partially POV against Italy. There it is no reference at all to the massacre of Italian military & civilians done by rebels from 1911 to 1915, that created the revenge (against moslem fanatics mainly in Cyrenaica) from Italian authorities after WWI. To have an idea read this:Sciara sciat.

Ho visto in una sola moschea diciassette italiani crocefissi con i corpi ridotti allo stato di cenci sanguinolenti e informi; ma i cui volti serbano ancora le tracce di un'infernale agonia. Si è passata per il collo di questi disgraziati una lunga canna e le braccia riposano su questa canna. Sono stati poi inchiodati al muro e morirono a fuoco lento fra sofferenze inenarrabili. Dipingervi il quadro orrendo di queste carni decomposte che pendono pietosamente sulla muraglia insanguinata, è impossibile. In un angolo un altro corpo è crocefisso ma siccome era quello di un ufficiale si sono raffinate le sue sofferenze. Gli si cucirono gli occhi. Tutti i cadaveri ben inteso erano mutilati evirati in modo indescrivibile e i corpi apparivano gonfie come informe carogne. Ma non è tutto! Nel cimitero di Chui che serviva di rifugio ai turchi e donde tiravano da lontano potemmo vedere un altro spettacolo. Sotto la porta stessa di fronte alle trincee italiane cinque soldati erano stati sepolti fino alle spalle; le teste emergevano dalla sabbia nera del loro sangue: teste orribili a vedersi; vi si leggevano tutte le torture della fame e della sete(Gaston Leroud and the correspondent of Matin -Journal)

TRANSLATION: I saw in one mosque seventeen Italian crucifixed with their bodies reduced to the status of bloody rags and bones, but whose faces still retain traces of hellish agony. It has passed through the neck of these wretched a long barrel and arms resting on this rod. They were then nailed to the wall and died for a slow fire between untold suffering. It is impossible for us to paint the picture of these hideous rotted meat hanging pitifully on the bloody wall. In a corner another body is crucified but as an officer he was to have refined his sufferings. The eyes are stitched. All the bodies were mutilated and castrated; so indescribable was the scene and the bodies appeared swollen as shapeless carrion. But that's not all! In the cemetery of Chui which served as a refuge from the Turks and whence pulled from afar we could see another show. Under the same door in front of the Italian trenches five soldiers had been buried up to his shoulders, their heads emerged from the black sand stained of their blood: heads horrible to behold, and there you could read all the tortures of hunger and thirst (Gaston Leroud and the correspondent of Matin-Journal)

There it is even no reference to the fact that in 1918 happened the flu-epidemy called "Hispaniola", that was the main cause of deaths between civilian arabs in coastal Libya until 1922 (and greatly depopulated Cyrenaica). Why R-41 does not mention anything cruel done against the Italians by the muslim arabs? There it is a huge documentation about it! And don't forget that the spanish flu (and its consequences) continued to kill until 1930.John T.

The devastating damages caused by the Pacification of Libya upon the Arab Libyan population are recognized by many scholarly sources and the Italian government itself. As Prime Minister of Italy, Silvio Berlusconi announced Italy's recognition of war crimes committed by Italy against the Libyan people when Libya was a colony in a 2008 agreement between Italy and Libya. At the signing Prime Minister Berlusconi stated the following quotation: "In this historic document, Italy apologizes for its killing, destruction and repression of the Libyan people during the period of colonial rule." (http://books.google.ca/books?id=cfhcjje8dFYC&pg=PA17&dq=berlusconi+libya&hl=en&sa=X&ei=7VMLT_ydNsPs0gHdoLm2Ag&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=berlusconi%20libya&f=false).Events prior to 1922 about deaths caused by the Spanish Flu have nothing to do with this, this is about an event from 1928 to 1932.--R-41 (talk) 21:06, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

There is No Such Thing as Pacification

The events that occurred in Libya is nothing but Genocide. Can you publically go out and call the Holocaust "Pacification of Germany"? "Pacification of Jews"?. You cannot because it is morally wrong. The same thing applies to the Libyan people. Just because they are not white, European or Christian it does not make them any lesser human beings than you are.

: Italian war crimes labeled as "Genocide"

Further details about Italian war crimes and genocide

Reference Arabic wiki to see how the the prominent Italian figures in North Africa are detailed as criminals who killed and slaughtered the native populace of Libya.

Fcmsaab89 (talk) 15:41, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

References

1. http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1179/007516306X142924
2. http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1354571042000254737:

The relevant issue for Misplaced Pages is, what is the common name of the events? If scholarly sources refer to them as the "Pacification of Libya", then that's what we should use as the article title and as the main name to refer to the events by. Further, the policy says to use the common English name of the events, so how they are named at the Arabic wiki isn't really useful for us. Using your analogy of the Holocaust, that is the name by which the events are commonly known; both this article and the article on the Holocaust identify each as a genocide. —C.Fred (talk) 22:44, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Comparing this to the Holocaust makes no sense. The Nazis were aiming at killing every single Jew, and would have done so had they not lost World War II. The Italians aimed at controlling Libya, killing anyone who resisted. Once the local resistance was crushed, did the Italians exterminate all the Libyans? No. How come most of the Libyan population was still alive in 1940? How come the Italians weren't massacring the Libyans in the late 1930s? --2.36.88.253 (talk) 10:40, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

They opened up camps and send people in Libya to fight wars for them. They worked with the nazis to fight wars on Libyan land in ww2. If they had the chance they would if made it like Italy. That is not a war if your in tanks fighting some horse riding people and sending them to camps. They also somehow killed a fourth of the population in Cyrenaica in a war. Cyrenaica is half the entire country. That is a geneocide. AhmedTMM (talk) 18:14, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

That is also irrelevant. Misplaced Pages is not the place to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. The only question is what English language reliable sources call it, not whether we think it reaches the level of genocide or what we think it should be called.DeCausa (talk) 18:57, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

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