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Greetings, BMK! Sorry to read above that your Christmas didn't go so well. Considering that, this might be an annoying question... but can you help guide the Jingle Bells article towards GA status? If that is not possible, I will have to just go ahead with the nomination and rely fully on the reviewer's help, which might be an inconvenience given our mutual unfamiliarity with the topic. You have 242 edits to the page, making any participation from you highly valuable.-- '']]'' 20:51, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
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:{{ping|MaranoFan}} Thanks for contacting me. Yes, I've contributed a fair amount to that article over the years, but I cannot hold myself out as any kind of expert on the subject. Considering that, and the fact that my level of participation on Misplaced Pages is very low right now -- almost random, in fact -- due to a variety of family crises, means that I'm going to have to turn down your invitation to participate in bringing the article to GA status. I do, however, wish you the best of luck with it, and I look forward to seeing the result of your efforts. Best, ] (]) 05:28, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


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== Horseshoe Theory ==
Hello Beyond My Ken, thanks for updating the licensing information for the photograph ]. You added as the source http://foter.com/photo/pierre-jules-boulanger/. I have a concern with this source. Note the similarity between the current version of the file, uploaded by you on 28 February 2012, and the photograph at Foter. They are visually the same, with exactly the same dimensions. Because of this, I am convinced that they got the photograph from Misplaced Pages and assumed that the licensing information was correct.


Hi, I edited "Horseshoe theory" just before you. The odd spacing in ''" Voilà, comme les extrêmes se rencontrent ! "'' is actually the original 19th-century typesetting, which I imitated. Is there a Misplaced Pages rule that typesetting has to be normalized to 21st-century standards?
I got the original image from http://www.designmuseum.org/design/flaminio-bertoni and my claim that it is in the public domain was based on assumptions about its publication that I now feel are not justified. The photograph may well be in the public domain, but nothing I have seen so far proves this claim.
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:Actually, I didn't upload a new version, I just cropped and cleaned up the version that you uploaded. I got the address I added from , since it indicated the image was PD. You may well be right that they got it from us, that actually makes a great deal of sense.<p>So, what I've done is to revert my changes to the file's information (except I left off "db-author" since it's not applicable once someone else has uploaded a new version). This means that the file should be deleted in a few days. Sorry for having gotten in the way. Best, ] (]) 10:34, 14 May 2014 (UTC)


I'm not intending to revert it or anything, just curious. ] (]) 20:47, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
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:I wouldn't say that there is a rule, per se, but our primary concern should be communicating with our readers, and using contemporary formatting makes things easier for them. ] (]) 17:25, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
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Hi, ], I noticed . In fact I did not ''create'' a red link. There was already a (red)link to the ] in New York. {{smiley}}. ] (]) 04:26, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
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Thank you for the advice, I detected a lot of errors on the first chunk--] (]) 04:52, 16 May 2014 (UTC).
:No problem. I think if we work on it together chunk by chunk, I'll be clearer about what you wanted to do, and (hopefully) the result will be a better article. ] (]) 04:54, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
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== On a sad day you've brought a smile to my face ==
== No Indication? ==


A childhood friend from the 80s died today, rather than sleeping I've distracted myself via wikipedia. While initialling perusing https://en.wikipedia.org/Molecular_recognition I somehow ended up down the rabbit hole of James Watson's scientific racism, where a few editors have a habit of removing any criticism even when well sourced, doing the same for other like minded bigots. Bringing me to your glorious edit https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Beyond_My_Ken&diff=next&oldid=995850740#Unhelpful_comment
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I laughed my head off, thank you for delivering joy right when I needed it most. Hope you are well.
It is improper to simply revert a edit because you don't like it. ] Did you read the title of the photo you reverted, let me help "American Snake Charmer". Are you calling me a liar? Many people use the talk page, but I know you do not like to communicate, preferring the use of rude/snide comments inserted into a editorial commentary you simply revert.


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Your "No Indication" comment could be applied, when ignoring assume good faith as you have, to every photo I have contributed, do you plan to remove them all with that same total lack of logic or reason?
*Thanks, I appreciate it. I hope joy continues to come your way whenever you most need it. Best, ] (]) 23:43, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


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I take photos and place captions upon them that describe what the photo is. It is traditional to do this so that others know what the photo is. Most people would consider it rude, and unjustified to, as you have remove a photo that is titled Snake Charmer, from the page claiming that it is not what I said it was. It is impolite to call a person a liar, as you have with your edit.


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We have had encounters before, one would think with that in mind you would be try to be more considerate, but I am well aware of how you operate. Once again I am going to walk away, your history of unpleasant run ins with me over your "minutia" has been nothing but a waste of my time. If you are going to call someone a liar, (''try to'') be a '''man''' and do it to there face, Ken, not in a edit summary . . . ]<span style="border:1px solid black;">'''&nbsp;]&nbsp;'''</span> 16:52, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
:The image shows a scantily dressed woman walking down the street with a snake. Show me where it indicates that she is performing. Where is her audience? ] (]) 20:38, 18 May 2014 (UTC)


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Hi BMK, long time. I see you commenting at various pages on my way-too-long watchlist, but one way or another, we haven't interacted for a while; I hope all is well with you. I remember something many moons ago where I came around to your way of seeing things regarding placement of maintenance templates, after starting out in opposition. I don't have much recollection anymore about the details, but the bottom line was that either I placed a maint. template on a page or someone else did, and then you removed it, saying (I think) that it didn't have consensus, or something similar. At first, I was bent out of shape, thinking anybody could place a template on their own say so, and someone else shouldn't remove it based on ]. Eventually, your reasoning won me over, and I've changed my view on this to more aligned with yours. Can you fill me in (again?) on your reasoning, and ideally, link me to some guidance? I find myself on the other side of the fence now, removing a MT placed by someone else, and it would be nice to recall what it is you said that persuaded me. Does this ring a bell at all? Thanks, and hope you are well. ] (]) 07:55, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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Hello, you are talking about a very subjective thing here. An architectural detail of a building of the upper west side or upper east side is showing the history of that area. Or fine, be a nazi and I will give up posting anything here. I think you are wrong...I'm trying to contribute. {{xsign|04:45, 23 May 2014‎ Hudson11377}}
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:No, there are aspects of this which are not at all subjective, as I've outlined on your talk page. Images on Misplaced Pages need to be informative and an aid to indentification. An image which is "artistic" '''''can''''' fulfill those requirements, but it is much less likely to than a straight-forward image. Certainly a close up of a building's detail, without identifying the building, or the architect, or the date, or the style, which is just thrown into the ] and ] article is not "showing the history" of anything. These are not acceptable uses of images in our articles. ] (]) 08:49, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::Oh god, come on...there is beautiful architectual stuff in Manhattan...that should be represented. I can add more images to the gallery pages later. Or someone else can. You are just using a judgement call...I personally think if you think of the upper west side and think of all the beautiful stuff there, that is legit stuff for any type of encyclopedia. Anyway, man...what if I just go around reverting all your contributions? {{xsign|04:52, 23 May 2014‎ Hudson11377}}
:::Some of them are judgment calls, which is why you need to get a consensus on the talk page, but some are not. Any editor here can remove, add to or change text in our articles, and the same goes for images. I'm not saying our images can't look good, I'm saying (if you read my comments on your talk page) that identification and information is their primary purpose, not artistry. ] (]) 08:57, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::::Oh, in answer to your question, if you "just went around" reverted my edits, you'd be blocked for violating ] - don't disrupt Misplaced Pages to make a point. ] (]) 08:59, 23 May 2014 (UTC)


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Many, many years ago you uploaded ] of some loft buildings on Canal Street, with some notes about their history and architecture. It came in handy for an article I was working on, so I thought I might return the favor with a fun fact about its later history. The building on the left was the subject of a very famous experimental film called '']'', which uses as one of its main visual elements the building's tall, mullioned windows. ] (]) 22:04, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Hudson11377 ] (]) 09:23, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
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:Where did I say you were "ruining Misplaced Pages?" What I said, in , my first posting to your talk page, was <blockquote>'''I appreciate your enthusiasm, but the changes to images, and the addition of images, to NYC articles are not improving them. I've not found a single one of your edits so far that did so. Please seek out help from other editors and stop bulling ahead without knowing what you're doing.'''</blockquote> That is a fair assessment of what you were doing, and I stand by it. ] (]) 09:30, 23 May 2014 (UTC)


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That's just a judgement call, isn't it? ] (]) 09:37, 23 May 2014 (UTC) (].) --] (]) 08:00, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
:Done. ] (]) 14:49, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
:I believe I explained that already, but here it is again: you replaced a color picture of the building in which the Frick Collection is housed with a black-and-white angled close-up of the main entrance. Your image was nice, but did not help the reader in identifying the Frick Collection which, as I've pointed out a number of times, is one of the primary purposes of images on Misplaced Pages. Even as a picture of the architectural detail over the entrance it was flawed, in that the "artistic" angle detracted from its informational value. ] (]) 09:39, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::That's just a judgement call on your part and I really don't agree with it. I would like other people to add info on this. Thanks ] (]) 09:48, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:::That's fine, but this is not the place to do so. It should be on ]. I'll help you out by starting the disucssion there. ] (]) 09:52, 23 May 2014 (UTC)


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Anyway, I would like to say for you to revert all my edits displays a certain level of nastiness...for surely, I am posting out of the goodness of my heart, and maybe I made a mistake or two...but not every edit. Think about it... ] (]) 09:56, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:Well, you've had you say, called me "nasty" and my actions "BS" - sorry if you're upset about it, but that's the way the cookie crumbles. ] (]) 10:00, 23 May 2014 (UTC)


I have reverted your recent changes to the James Longstreet article. I have identified the following problems:
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I want to make a complaint to the admins about harassment here...I'm getting to not like you a lot ] (]) 10:36, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:I suggest you read ] before making that claim. BMK has done nothing but explain policy to you. Also, per ], you shouldn't be reverting another user's talk page under normal circumstances. I suggest you take BMK's advice and start discussing your proposed changes on the relevant talk pages. ''''']]]''''' 10:40, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::I am searching now for "Misplaced Pages Harassment" ] (]) 10:42, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Since you guys know everything, give me the link to "wikipedia harassment" because I'm really getting pissed here...thanks! ] (]) 10:46, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Or, I will find it myself... ] (]) 10:48, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
::::Ishdarian already gave you the link, just above, but here it is again: ]. However, while you're out and about, I think it would also be useful for you to read ]. ] (]) 10:49, 23 May 2014 (UTC)


Your addition that Helen Dortch Longstreet was a journalist appears to be unsupported by either of the sources attached to that sentence.
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Removing the separate section header and subheaders for the Bibliography was completely useless. The citations and the bibliography are two separate sections and should be presented as such. Your change makes it more difficult to edit the Bibliography, is in my view also less pleasant to read, and accomplishes nothing.
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The article originally said that the election of Grover Cleveland to the presidency in 1884 “ended” Longstreet’s political career. You changed “ended” to “interrupted,” implying that Longstreet would someday resume involvement in politics. This is false. Longstreet never held public office again. I also found the language “return of a Democratic administration” to be confusing, as Cleveland had never been president before.


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You made numerous edits which interrupted source to text integrity. Basically, you broke up paragraphs and added citations to new sources (mainly the Varon book) but did not adjust the page numbers in the original citations. As a general rule, it is usually not necessary to add sources if a sentence is already reliably sourced. But if you are going to do so, and you make edits in a way that moves the original citations elsewhere, then you need to make sure that those citations stay attached to the information that they are supposed to verify.
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I will restore some copyedits that I made, and I welcome you to re-add citations to the Varon book. But do not break up paragraphs in ways that are unnecessary, especially when that disrupts the citations. I would appreciate if you would also take note of the other statements that I made. ] (]) 20:19, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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::::One can be a public figure without holding public office. Longstreet continued to try to achieve office almost continually after he stepped down as Marshall, so his political cafreer was not "ended". That is why the article already said that he went into "semi-retirement", not "retirement". ] (]) 22:01, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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I respectfully take issue with the attribution of the Designation Report criticism to 2 Horatio (building characterized on page 344 of that report).


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Citation is from pp 337 to 340 (8th Ave sect) & criticism refers to literally and I am quoting "east side of Ave" which includes 14 Horatio. Not 2. So it is extreme at best to say the criticism is about the "two buildings" (2+14 Horatio). When you look at individual descriptors of any of the five Bing & Bing buildings it does not criticize in this way. Given criticism is in 8th Ave section and literally refers to "east side of the Avenue," I believe that criticism should be removed from article.


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:OK, it took me a while to sort through things. It might not be immediately evident that the NYLPC's comments come from 3 different places in the Designation Report. You are quite right that I misconstrued two of those comments to be referring to 2 Horatio, when that was not the case, so I have removed those - but the final comment comes directly from their section on 2 Horatio. It's less "scathing" (so I removed that description), but it does criticize the bulk of both of the buildings. I left that comment in. ] (]) 19:10, 24 May 2014 (UTC)


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:::: Link me to one that is not your strange work. (you have done twice as many reverts as me btw) ] (]) 21:13, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
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==Would you mind checking==
Hello BMK. You might remember that several months ago I got caught up in a good hand/bad hand situation where I was reverting articles to a version that had already been vandalized. As I look at of the Kumioko sock {{user|Cheaptrick99}} it is reverting items added by new editor (the rest of the edits by this newb have been reverted.) Also a check of the cast list for the film does not jibe with the additions by PDC. Since it is only one edit I don't know if C99 and PDC are the same person but it is possible that the film article should be reverted back to version (with a capital "A" added to Andrea's name.) I wanted to get your assessment of the situation before proceeding. Apologies for being so long winded about this and thanks for your time. ] | ] 18:59, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
:OK, I '''''think''''' I've done what you've indicated, reverted to the previous version, and capped the "A" on "Andrea". Could you check and see that I did it correctly? Thanks, ] (]) 20:53, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
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The official name is "THE Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints" Why are you reverting something clearly correct and supported by consensus?] (]) 14:03, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
:Many, many organizations have "The" in their official name, but the normal rules of grammar are that in the context of the body of a sentence, "the" is '''''<u>not</u>''''' capitalized. If MOS LDS says otherwise, it is wrong. ] (]) 14:06, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
::You need to STOP. You are going against the consensus. At least wait to undo everything until you have a chance to get comments. If you bothered to read the page you would see you are wrong.] (]) 14:15, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
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::The LDS Church is even used as an example: see ]] (]) 14:22, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Let me be clear: If the MOS LDS says to capitalize "the" in a proper name in the middle of a sentence, when it is not being referred to as a proper name, it is '''''wrong''''', no matter what the consensus there says. Remember, the Manual of Style is a '''''guideline''''' and not a '''''policy'''''. It is '''''not mandatory''''', and the Arbitration Committee has taken a pretty dim view of people doing mass edits in support of MOS.<p>I live it New York City, and I am a strong advocate for the fact hat our northernmost borough is "The Bronx", not "Bronx" -- but when "The Bronx" appears in the body of a sentence, such as "I am going up to the Bronx to get some shoes", I know that grammar requires the word "the" ''''''not''''' to be capitalized. When the name stands in isolation, as in "The name of the northernmost borough is The Bronx", then the capitalization is used, but not otherwise. Precisely the same thing goes for the name of the LDS church. ] (]) 14:23, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
:::::Per Misplaced Pages policy ] and ] "THE" is capitalized. It's not proper what your doing.] (])
:::::::Those are '''''<u>NOT</u>''''' "policies", they are guidelines, and '''''<u>GUIDELINES ARE NOT MANDATORY</u>'''''. 14:29, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
::::::Excuse me, are you five years old or what? Stop repeating the same damn thing over and over and '''''read what I've written above'''''. If you've got nothing different to say, this "discussion" is over. ] (]) 14:27, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
::::::: I have, but your cannot seem to get past your own opinion. Per Misplaced Pages policy ] and ] "THE" is capitalized. "THE" is part of the legal name of the church and therefor it is capitalized. It doesn't matter what you think.] (]) 14:30, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
:::::::: OK, we're done here. Go away. ] (]) 14:31, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
::::::::: I note that you changed "the" to "The" in the '''''name of an image''''', making the image not display correctly. Sheesh. Collapsing. 14:34, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
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== Ears burning? ==

There is a discussion where you are extensively discussed for your actions .--] (]) 06:01, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks, I'm aware of it. MOS LDS is a ] whose "cnsensus" is bogus. ] (]) 06:04, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

== Re ]: ==

I humbly deleted a passage that is repeated not two lines further along, plus a quote that is accessible by link.

:The newspaper's first building was located at 113 Nassau Street in New York City. In 1854, it moved to 138 Nassau Street, and in 1858 it moved to a five-story building designed by Thomas R. Jackson in the Romanesque Revival style at 41 Park Row, making it the first newspaper in New York City housed in a building built specifically for its use. The original building constructed for the Times was a five-story structure in the Romanesque revival style, designed by Thomas R. Jackson, that occupied the site of the Brick Presbyterian Church.

''Must'' we mention Thomas R Jackson and Romanesque Revival twice in one paragraph? –] (]):
:There was no reason to delete the quote in the ref, and by deleting the first of the two sentences, you lost the Brick Church info. I've fixed it. You're right that the repeated info is a mistake, which I hadn't noticed when I reverted you. ] (]) 16:22, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

::Fair enough. (I also didn't realize the quote was in the notes, thanks for clarifying.) –] (])

== Identified unknown actor in Princess Tam-Tam and am asking your assistance to properly document. ==

For some time I have been studying Maurice Tillet, who was an bit actor in the 1930's, later going into professional wrestling, then moving to the United States and becoming a household name. Incredibly famous, but almost lost to this time, if it wasn't for an almost certainty that he inspired the Shrek character. I have been looking for him in French Cinema as he reported acting in this time-frame. Today a historian friend of mine spotted him in Pricess Tam Tam. All I have for proof would be in in-depth photo comparison I can provide. Maurice's head is what made him so different as it was 2 times the size of a man his size. He had acromegaly, and stated he went into film thinking his head would help in getting parts. He shows up VERY briefly in the bar scene. I really want to put Maurice back into French Cinema history properly. Can I ask your help in accomplishing this? I can provide you all the needed pictures and details if you would be willing to contact me at thefrenchangeldeathmask@gmail.com. I will introduce myself properly and give you my personal email from there, SHOULD you be willing to assist me. Respectfully, TOM. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 13:13, 1 June 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I'm not sure what you need my assistance with. I know very little about French cinema outside of the films I've seen. ] (]) 16:26, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

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== National Mall images ==

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== My comments on DoRD's talk page ==

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== 79th Street (Manhattan)‎ ==

It does not really matter that an address has been posted on a newspaper or other source. Per ] we don't publish addresses of living persons. If you disagree, please join us in the discussion at ] ] (]) 18:57, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
:The consensus at BLP/N is against your misinterpretation of policy. ] (]) 21:10, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
:: Not really. The consensus was that the house number should not be included. It is OK now, thanks for removing the house number. ] (]) 21:33, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Hey, I was just implementing the consensus I myself had articulated on the BLP/N page. Why have you treated me as if I were a common vandal by reverting my edit and not changing the default edit summary? You may note that Mr. Bloomberg's complete address is again visible in the citation. My rationale on BLP/N for removing cross avenues is twofold. First, they're not relevant -- we only need citation that the persons live on 79th street, not where. Second, giving the block/intersection is nearly as good as giving the address -- especially on the UES west of 3rd Ave because the avenue blocks are half the size. Please share your thoughts on this with me, because I thought we had already come to a satisfactory compromise. ] (]) 03:35, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
:Never mind. Continuing the discussion at BLP/N ] (]) 03:47, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

== Popcult sections ==

Thank you for the suggestion, but most of the items I remove have been tagged as unsourced for ''years'', or ]. That is not against policy. I will continue to do so. ] (]) 22:13, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
:You just restored one list of trivia that was tagged as unsourced for two years at ]. Please stop. Read the tag, which states "Unsourced material may be challenged and removed". ] (]) 22:16, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
::(ec) It's not a suggestion - the community has '''''specifically''''' rejected the mass deletion of popcult sections on a number of occasions. Any item in a popcult section which is '''''straightforward description''''' should nto be deleted. If it contains interpretation or analysis, that's fine, they need to be sourced, but the incorrect tagging of an entire section, no matter for how long, does not license you to remove the entire section. Behavior such as this has been the cause of editors such as ] being indef blocked or banned, so I suggest you take it slow and easy, don't remove sections ''en masse'', and be absolutely certain that every item you remove contains opinion, analysis or interpretation - unless you would like this brought to the attention of admins for investigation. ] (]) 22:19, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
:::Popcult items which are straightforward descriptions of media items such as films, books, etc. '''''are sourced by the media item''''', and as long as they remain straightforward description '''''only''''', they should not be removed. That someone incorrectly tagged them 2 years ago is irrelevant - remove the inapprppriate tag, don't remove the item. ] (]) 22:19, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
::::Sorry, but you are wrong. Attribution of "elective mutism" is an interpretation made by the editor who added the item. That requires a source. I could randomly select a dozen films and add them to the article because I ''interpreted'' a character to have elective mutism. Again, please stop. ] (]) 22:23, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
:::::Please read what I wrote more carefully - '''''if an item contains opinion, analysis or interpretation it can be deleted''''', but not otherwise. If I've made an error, and an entire list contains no items of straightforward description, then, of course, you are free to revert my mistake - but go '''''<u>carefully</u>''''', please. ] (]) 22:25, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
::::::Please '''''STOP''''' restoring items that "contain opinion, analysis or interpretation" without adding a source. And again, please read ]. Go '''''<u>carefully</u>''''', please. ] (]) 22:29, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
:::::::Please stop removing legitimate "citation needed" tags. That is clearly against policy. ] (]) 22:32, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
::::::::Not when the facts are obvious. You seem to be anxious for me to bring this to an admin, so that your '''''entire''''' editing history -- under all the IPs and accounts you use -- can be examined. Is that right? ] (]) 01:15, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::It was an admin who reverted ''you''. So do as you please in "bringing this to an admin." You might want to read ] first. ] (]) 22:59, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::::MFNickster is not an admin. ] (]) 23:41, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::Are you might want to read ]. ] (]) 23:05, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
{{od}}Continue with the baseless accusations. That's just more for any admin to look at. ] (]) 23:12, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
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== Citation for Blazing Saddles ==
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:If I had a source, don't you think I would add it? My argument is that the fact is obvious on its face, and that the cn tage results not from the inobviousness of the fact, but from a deficit on the part of the tagging editor. However, I don't plan to contest it any longer, since it's really not worth my time. ] (]) 23:05, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks for your reply. I didn't know whether you would add it, since you argued that it is unnecessary. My argument was that it doesn't matter if it's obvious on its face, since the policy requires that it be published previously. IMHO the best option in this case is to just remove the sentence, but a cn tag is certainly acceptable in the meantime. I don't see why it would be at all objectionable. ] (]) 04:03, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
:::I found it objectionable '''''because''''' it was so obviously true, because there are some editors who seem to believe that tagging and deleting things which are '''''factually true''''' simply because not every "t" is crossed and every "i" is dotted is in some perverse way actually '''''beneficial''''' to the encyclopedia, who put '''''no time or effort''''' into '''''improving''''' articles but relish '''''tearing them down''''', and because, as I stated before, many times a "fact" tag doesn't indicate that a fact is really in doubt, it indicates a '''''lack of knowledge''''' or insight by the tagger. I object to those things -- to '''''all''''' of those things -- because they do not help the project, they actively '''''hurt''''' it, and it makes me sick that we accept them, that we allow protocol and process to be raised above our mission to serve our readers.<p>As I said, I'm not going to contest the tag, I've got better ways to spend my time, and I'm hoping that someone - you or MarnetteD or somebody else - can run down a ref in the Blu-Ray docs, but as far as I'm concerned, that Mel Brooks did those voices is just about as obvious as the sky being blue. ] (]) 05:09, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
::::I get where you're coming from. I miss the days from 10 years ago where most of the focus here was on writing the articles rather than tracking down minutae. However, I don't think adding a citation request is in any way detrimental to the article. A citation doesn't necessarily imply that the fact is in question; it allows the reader to check out the information in the original source, which I think is helpful and an improvement. And as I pointed out, it doesn't ''matter'' whether a given statement is true - Misplaced Pages isn't a source of truth, it's a distillation of previously published material. ] (]) 17:04, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

== References, Notes, or both? ==

BMK: From a quick reading of ], a straightforward list of inline citations is normally titled Notes or References -- unless I'm missing something, why did you revert to the double heading in ]? I haven't seen other editors create "single subsections" like this. (Obviously not a big deal, just curious.) Thanks. --] (]) 13:24, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
:Please see the discussion further up on this page. ] (]) 13:42, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
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::OK BMK, thanks for the link. ("Little Syria" isn't a section heading that would've caught my eye for this question!) You make a good case that Notes is a more-appropriate heading than References. It's still unclear why it's better to use both headings for a single list, but I can respect it as a minor "first-come, first-served" preference for WP articles (like the date format). Perhaps you could grant the same leeway to articles that use a more-standard "formatting which has been there for quite a while," as you phrased it earlier. --] (]) 00:09, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

== Boy Meets Girl (1938 film) ==

Hi. Please read ]. You were bold, I reverted you, therefore please raise a discussion about this. Thanks. ''']''' <sup>]</sup> 07:28, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
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==OccultZone's referral re Karin Lesch for protocol to use a NFCC image(s) under ‘fair use’.==

Dear Beyond My Ken,

(It doesn't seem like too much ''is'', in fact, ''‘beyond your ken’'' ] ).

Thank you kindly for taking the time to write, advising me on how I might go about using an image of this nature.

I'll resize it ''properly'' to about 200 pixels, and for this article regarding ] ''use a single image only'', but with a link to the slightly larger 500 pixel original should anyone be interested. And I'll try my best to upload them both, but to English Wiki ''alone''.

'''I was more worried about breaking the law, or the rules of Misplaced Pages''', but so long as it would be seen as simply a good-faith inclusion — that ''at worst'' would only result in its being removed — I'll take the chance that no-one will find it objectionable, for it ''will'' enhance the article significantly.

Once again, I thank you for your valuable advice, and experience in the matter.

Sincerely,

Chris

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:(without the bold formatting). Good luck, just be aware that it can sometimes be a crapshoot with non-free images, but I think these steps will keep you within the boundaries of Misplaced Pages policy. ] (]) 01:33, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
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::: OK, Will do! ''And just as you've outlined''. Cheers for ''all'' your help! Much obliged. Kind regards, Chris ] ] (]) 02:27, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

:::: '''Update!'''

::::Dear Beyond My Ken,

::::I'm very happy to report it worked a treat! Now we shall have to see how long it's left up! Regardless, however, your advice was ''clear, concise, & fool-proof'' — and trust me ... I'm the ‘fool’ to prove it! ]

::::Thank you again for your step-by-step instructions, ''as well as your caveats,'' all of which I followed to the letter! You have been most kind, moreover to a stranger, and I ''truly'' appreciate it; (all the more because I'm old, and failing, and fighting cancer ... I take ''great pleasure'' in thinking that I might be able to make a very minor contribution that might prove useful to another long after I'm gone).

::::(It's an all too common ''folly of age'' to presume one has some sort of ''wisdom'' of such value that it must be imparted to the young. I'm deluding myself ''of course'', but looking back in life, ''some of my happiest times were when I was delusional'' ... reality rather does have its drawbacks ] but stiff upper and never admit to it).

::::Cheers, and '''best''' regards,
::::Chris ]
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Not going to do something like a template, but I wanted to understand what you meant by . To me that strikes me as a bit of a ]. Even if done in relation to a vandal, to me it appears inappropriate. ] <sup>]</sup> ߷ <sub>]</sub> 05:05, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
:Excuse me? The edit means that it's irrelevant whether you call something a "ban" or an "indef block where all edits are allowed to be reverted on sight", just as it's irrelevant whether you call an animal a "pig", a "hog" or a "swine".<p>Perhaps you need a refresher course in ]? ] (]) 06:31, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
::BTW, you may be an "administrator hopeful", but you're not an administrator now, so don't go around acting as if you are. Please don't '''''ever''''' remove a comment of mine again without '''''first''''' checking with me its meaning and purpose. ] (]) 06:36, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
:::As the person to whom that reply was made, I saw nothing particularly wrong with it. Yeah, I wouldn't have said it, but I don't see anything wrong with it. Solarra, this thread would have been a good thing to ask BMK ''before'' removing the post. Just because the word "swine" is something we can use negatively doesn't make it a personal attack—and I'm of the opinion that BMK's intent was to be a bit edgy, but there's nothing wrong with that. You might as well have removed my comment as a threat of violence because I talked about shooting ducks with birdshot, and we commonly use ] to refer to obvious sockpuppets. Anyway, to Ken, while it is irrelevant if you call a ban something else, or a pig something else... I would remind you that sometimes a pig is not a pig, especially if it ]. My point is that if we want to formally siteban Russavia, then let's have the discussion and get 'er over with... but if the community has said no in the past... let's not try to make it more palatable for the community by calling the proposed ban something else. —/]/<sup><small>]</small></sup>/<sub><small>]</small></sub>/ 16:59, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
::::Yes, there is that argument, but there's also the possibility of offering a bit of saving face, if Russavia ever really seriously plans to rejoin the community - the "I was never banned, only indef blocked" argument still holds. Sure, in this case it would be a distinction without much difference, but it is on such small niceties that reputations can be rebuilt. ] (]) 20:03, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
:::::Fair enough. I can see that. —/]/<sup><small>]</small></sup>/<sub><small>]</small></sub>/ 22:22, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
::::::{{yo|Mendaliv}} I've been contributing with BMK for awhile, it is quite obvious that he's a genius editor and his contributions off en.wiki(like commons) are simply amazing. During the content dispute, you may have to avoid the names and you have to comment on content, not on people. But when {{U|Solarra}} wrote the above message, it seemed like Solarra is pointing a ]. Thus whenever you are involved in any type of user conduct, you have to analyze the history of user, also that if they already know something that you are trying to tell. Solarra should have replied on ANI, not here. ] <small>(] • ] • ])</small></span> 14:56, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
{{od}} Also quite a good point. My own approach to behavioral disputes tends to be very close to an approach for content disputes, that is, to try and find the simplest way forward for all parties starting from a presumption that no past patterns of behavior matter. Obviously, it's a simplistic approach, but in all but the most complex cases, simple issues of right or wrong (e.g., whether a particular user violated a policy, such as made a personal attack) don't require examination of the past. Decisions as to sanction, on the other hand, are intensely dependent on past behavior, however.

If I understand your comment correctly, OccultZone, you mean that my analysis should have also taken account of Solarra's past, and motivations in reacting the way she did. I'm of the opinion that it's a relevant factor, though I don't see it as necessary to form a correct opinion on this situation. It might be more relevant if a claim were made that the person complaining had done so wrongfully, and sanctions were wanted against the person making the complaint... but in just evaluating the behavior of the target of the complaint, particularly where the complaining party was not involved in the behavior complained of, it's most often going to be window dressing at best.

At any rate, I do concur with you, that Solarra's response objecting to Ken's comment should have been made at ANI, rather than here. I also concur with your observation on Ken's editing history: I've seen much of the same and as such hold his opinion in high regard (which is why, in part, I took the time to come here and continue the discussion of whether sanctions against Russavia should take the form of a formal ban or something else). Anyway, that turned out to be a much longer response than I intended. If I misunderstood anything, or my post is unclear, I'd be happy to respond further. —/]/<sup><small>]</small></sup>/<sub><small>]</small></sub>/ 15:41, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
:Re: "genius editor"/"high regard" - Geez, don't encourage me. Pride goeth before the fall, and all that. ] (]) 15:58, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
::Mendalive, I just said that Solarra should have analyzed the history of BMK first. Maybe BMK knows about those guidelines more than we do? Russavia is not even a point for me, and the thread is pretty unbalanced, maybe there will be no consensus. Thanks for the diplomacy. ] <small>(] • ] • ])</small></span> 16:03, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
:::Ah, then I did get it wrong: I'd misunderstood your post as suggesting that I should look at Ken's behavioral background when considering Solarra's post. Thanks for clarifying. I think most of my post should be ignored then. —/]/<sup><small>]</small></sup>/<sub><small>]</small></sub>/ 16:30, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
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:{{reply|Beyond_My_Ken}} When I read the comment, I read it as calling Russavia a pig/swine/etc, and so I removed it believing it to be a personal attack per what I understand as policy. That being said, reading what is here I see that the comment was in line with your personality and editing style, but I still feel it was a bit close to inappropriate. I wasn't looking to act as an administrator, a power monger, or anything else of that sort, just merely trying to keep the peace, if I offended or upset you in any way I apologize :-).
:{{reply|OccultZone}} I brought the comment up here because from what I understand, a user's talk page is the appropriate place to discuss issues with other editors that involve only that editor. I did not wish the discussion of Russavia's unblock request to get sidetracked into a lengthy and off-topic discussion about Ken's comments. My intention was to discuss the comment with Ken and express why I felt that the comment was inappropriate, and I felt that discussion was best served here. When it comes to potentially inflammatory content, I try to take into account context, personality, and other factors, but I ask myself, how would the average layman read this sentence. This group may find no problem with the reference, but others may, and in this case did.
:{{reply|Mendaliv}} As I touched on above, I try to take a whole picture into account in cases such as this but analyze it from a third party perspective. I disagree that this discussion should have occurred from ANI as I believe in dispute resolution at the lowest possible level and me raising my concerns here enables me to discuss with Ken on an individual and relatively informal level that concerns I have, not to mention that it would sidetrack the topic of that discussion.
:I work very diligently to be as amiable as possible to everyone, like I mentioned above, if I in any way offended, upset, or otherwise hindered anyone in any way in my attempts to keep things civil, I apologize. I am more than happy to clarify any questions anyone may have. Mahalo to you all. ] ] ߷ ] 16:39, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
::Well, Solarra, I would posit that your removal was erroneous and based on a misreading of the comment. This is why great care needs to be taken in redacting people's comments without prior consultation. The conversation has moved on, and merely restoring it isn't going to make things as they were before. {{tlx|rpa}} might have been a better option, insofar as making it appear the comment never happened dramatically reduces the chances of a relatively uninvolved passerby like myself or OccultZone noticing the redaction and reversing it before too much time has passed. Of course, in this case, I think even that sort of redaction would have been inappropriate; as I say above, my comment to which Ken had replied, where I speak of ducks and birdshot, was no more a threat of violence against Russavia than Ken's comment served to compare Russavia to swine. —/]/<sup><small>]</small></sup>/<sub><small>]</small></sub>/ 17:13, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
:::Just to note: I would prefer at this time that the comment not be restored (I don't believe it has been already). I would have restored it myself when I first noticed its redaction if I thought it was necessary.<p>Also, folks, I'm one of the those cranky people who kind of dislike seeing the orange bar lit up at the top of the page, especially when I'm working on something else and moving back and forth from Commons to en.wiki. So... if it's at all possible, could this discussion be allowed to lapse? I believe all parties have said what they wanted to say, and it seems unlikely that more talk is going to result in more light. Thanks. ] (]) 17:23, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

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== Origin of Jonesing ==

FYI your reference 7 on Great Jones Street does mention "Great Jones Alley" as a possible origin of the name, which is what some people have called Great Jones Street I believe. While it says the origin is sketchy at best, your sentence implies the reference makes no mention of that origin. (Starts at 2:40 by the way). {{xsign|13:55, 25 June 2014‎ Kkwst2}}
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You forgot to provide a reasoning for your revert of a non-vandalism, simple change. ] <small>]</small> 19:20, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
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== Strange Relationship (Paid?) With Eric R. Braverman and Ashanda ==


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It appears that user Beyond My Ken has a biased interest, relationship, or familiarity with ], given the multitude of edits and redactions. Also look at interactions with user: Ashanda. Strangely there is no mention of:
1. Braverman's arrest: nypost.com/2014/01/30/doctor-accused-of-stealing-court-documents-in-custody-fight/ , or
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3. his political contributions (also public record) to people he touts as clients
4. his being investigated by the NY State Attorney General for fraud.
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Jingle Bells

Greetings, BMK! Sorry to read above that your Christmas didn't go so well. Considering that, this might be an annoying question... but can you help guide the Jingle Bells article towards GA status? If that is not possible, I will have to just go ahead with the nomination and rely fully on the reviewer's help, which might be an inconvenience given our mutual unfamiliarity with the topic. You have 242 edits to the page, making any participation from you highly valuable.-- NØ 20:51, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

@MaranoFan: Thanks for contacting me. Yes, I've contributed a fair amount to that article over the years, but I cannot hold myself out as any kind of expert on the subject. Considering that, and the fact that my level of participation on Misplaced Pages is very low right now -- almost random, in fact -- due to a variety of family crises, means that I'm going to have to turn down your invitation to participate in bringing the article to GA status. I do, however, wish you the best of luck with it, and I look forward to seeing the result of your efforts. Best, Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:28, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

yt-dlp

Check out yt-dlp Polygnotus (talk) 13:59, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

I read your userpage and it mentioned youtube-dl. I would recommend using yt-dlp instead. Polygnotus (talk) 11:21, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Horseshoe Theory

Hi, I edited "Horseshoe theory" just before you. The odd spacing in " Voilà, comme les extrêmes se rencontrent ! " is actually the original 19th-century typesetting, which I imitated. Is there a Misplaced Pages rule that typesetting has to be normalized to 21st-century standards?

I'm not intending to revert it or anything, just curious. ScarletPlanet (talk) 20:47, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

I wouldn't say that there is a rule, per se, but our primary concern should be communicating with our readers, and using contemporary formatting makes things easier for them. Beyond My Ken (talk) 17:25, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
The relevant policy is MOS:CONFORM. See also MOS:FOREIGNQUOTE. cagliost (talk) 21:16, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

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On a sad day you've brought a smile to my face

A childhood friend from the 80s died today, rather than sleeping I've distracted myself via wikipedia. While initialling perusing https://en.wikipedia.org/Molecular_recognition I somehow ended up down the rabbit hole of James Watson's scientific racism, where a few editors have a habit of removing any criticism even when well sourced, doing the same for other like minded bigots. Bringing me to your glorious edit https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Beyond_My_Ken&diff=next&oldid=995850740#Unhelpful_comment

I laughed my head off, thank you for delivering joy right when I needed it most. Hope you are well.

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Fixed. Beyond My Ken (talk) 20:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Remind me about this?

Hi BMK, long time. I see you commenting at various pages on my way-too-long watchlist, but one way or another, we haven't interacted for a while; I hope all is well with you. I remember something many moons ago where I came around to your way of seeing things regarding placement of maintenance templates, after starting out in opposition. I don't have much recollection anymore about the details, but the bottom line was that either I placed a maint. template on a page or someone else did, and then you removed it, saying (I think) that it didn't have consensus, or something similar. At first, I was bent out of shape, thinking anybody could place a template on their own say so, and someone else shouldn't remove it based on WP:WTRMT. Eventually, your reasoning won me over, and I've changed my view on this to more aligned with yours. Can you fill me in (again?) on your reasoning, and ideally, link me to some guidance? I find myself on the other side of the fence now, removing a MT placed by someone else, and it would be nice to recall what it is you said that persuaded me. Does this ring a bell at all? Thanks, and hope you are well. Mathglot (talk) 07:55, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

@Mathglot: Sorry to take so long to respond to this. I vaguely recall the discussion you're referring to, but not enough to recall where and when it took place. There are a few older comments on my "Thoughts" page which may trigger your memory. In particular, this discussion from 2008 may be useful.Incidentally, I haven't changed my views in the 16 years since then, although I'm less inclined to make an issue out of it, unfortunately because the Misplaced Pages community's inherent intransigence and lack of interest in change often doesn't lend itself to consideration of how the project would benefit from small evolutionary adjustments; it seems that people would rather stick to communal authoritarianism instead. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:59, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Thanks! Mathglot (talk) 05:22, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

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Eight years!

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File:300 & 302 Canal Street.jpg

Many, many years ago you uploaded an image of some loft buildings on Canal Street, with some notes about their history and architecture. It came in handy for an article I was working on, so I thought I might return the favor with a fun fact about its later history. The building on the left was the subject of a very famous experimental film called Wavelength, which uses as one of its main visual elements the building's tall, mullioned windows. hinnk (talk) 22:04, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

  • That's very interesting - I have an LP by Michael Snow in my collection, Music for Piano, Whistling, Mic & Tape Recorder, which I haven't listened to in years.Do you have a source that verifies that 300 Canal is the building used for the film? I'd like to add that information to the photo's file, but I generally like to have a source to cite. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:03, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

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Done. Beyond My Ken (talk) 14:49, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

James Longstreet

I have reverted your recent changes to the James Longstreet article. I have identified the following problems:

Your addition that Helen Dortch Longstreet was a journalist appears to be unsupported by either of the sources attached to that sentence.

Removing the separate section header and subheaders for the Bibliography was completely useless. The citations and the bibliography are two separate sections and should be presented as such. Your change makes it more difficult to edit the Bibliography, is in my view also less pleasant to read, and accomplishes nothing. 3 The article originally said that the election of Grover Cleveland to the presidency in 1884 “ended” Longstreet’s political career. You changed “ended” to “interrupted,” implying that Longstreet would someday resume involvement in politics. This is false. Longstreet never held public office again. I also found the language “return of a Democratic administration” to be confusing, as Cleveland had never been president before.

Your version of the "Later life" section contains numerous excessively short one-sentence “paragraphs.”

You made numerous edits which interrupted source to text integrity. Basically, you broke up paragraphs and added citations to new sources (mainly the Varon book) but did not adjust the page numbers in the original citations. As a general rule, it is usually not necessary to add sources if a sentence is already reliably sourced. But if you are going to do so, and you make edits in a way that moves the original citations elsewhere, then you need to make sure that those citations stay attached to the information that they are supposed to verify.

I will restore some copyedits that I made, and I welcome you to re-add citations to the Varon book. But do not break up paragraphs in ways that are unnecessary, especially when that disrupts the citations. I would appreciate if you would also take note of the other statements that I made. Display name 99 (talk) 20:19, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

I will be restoring my edits, as the information is sourced to the Varon book, which you should read before making any additional reversions. Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:51, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
The Bibliography is still totally editable in the "References: section. This style is frequently used on Misplaced Pages, and is not forbidden by the MOS. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:01, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
Please do presume to lecture me on how to edit Misplaced Pages. I've been editing for 19 years and over 60,000 edits and am well aware of how to edit. Your objections to format and style are noted and rejected as irrelevant. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:01, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
One can be a public figure without holding public office. Longstreet continued to try to achieve office almost continually after he stepped down as Marshall, so his political cafreer was not "ended". That is why the article already said that he went into "semi-retirement", not "retirement". Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:01, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
Please be cognizant of the dangers of WP:OWNERSHIP of articles. I mention this because I see indications of ownership-type behavior in your message above. You also do not want to risk being partially blocked from another page as you are from Andrew Jackson. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:06, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
Any further discussions should take place on the article's talk page and not here and should focus entirely on the subject at hand and not on your attempt to school me on how to edit Misplaced Pages. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:08, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

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“National Socialist Program”

Hi, BMK. While I was browsing Nazism/Archive_29, you came to my attention as a transparent editor who has engaged on this topic over an extended period of time. As the subject is contentious (maybe needlessly so), I'm wary of even proposing anything on the talk page.

Nonetheless: I noticed (thanks to this particular discussion) that the title of the article National Socialist Program essentially violates NPOV (or VOICE etc.) in the same way as outlined in Talk:Nazism/FAQ. AFAIK, none of the citations (which are already questionable—e.g., Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn) even support the use of this title. If there is any evidence that the Nazis themselves called their 25-point plan "the National Socialist Program", I am unaware of it. (Do you know of any?)

I was surprised not to see any discussion of this on the talk page, especially after I saw you'd been to that same page, yourself.

What do you think?

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