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31 December 2011

Gay Nigger Association of America

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More than six months have passed since the most recent deletion discussion of this article. The speedy keep close negates the possibility that consensus can change. If six months isn't long enough, then how long until the community can again discuss deletion of an explicitly racist self-referential article about a group of self-admitted trolls? Moreover, the assertion that no policy rationale was presented is incorrect: there was no refutation of the fact that the article does not improve the encyclopedia in any way and no refutation of the fact that the article harms the encyclopedia by bringing the project, editors, and Foundation officials into disrepute, risking funding and credibility. Therefore, the deletion rationale citing the WP:IAR policy was correct. Moreover, WP:DENY is an additional sufficient rationale which the extraordinarily speedy keep did not allow me to raise in reply to the assertion that the initial rationale was insufficient. That is the epitome of an out of process close. Selery (talk) 16:24, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

• Comment The correct venue for this is AFD. You need to withdraw this and follow the listing instructions at WP:AFD. Spartaz 16:28, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Gay Nigger Association of America (22nd nomination) was closed just now as a speedy keep after only 25 minutes. Selery (talk) 16:30, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

The nominator did. They presented no rationale for deletion and I speedy closed it. This DRV is in response to my close a half hour ago. Had the nominator approached me on my talk page, I would've pointed out we are in a fundring drive right now and this article has not been specifically brought up as hurting it by the foundation. Also, it brings Misplaced Pages more into disrepute to self-censor things we don't like. Nominator brought nothing new to the countless previous WP:AFD and WP:DRVs on the subject.--v/r - TP 16:32, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

On the contrary, the rationale was clear and correct at AFD. I did not think it would be productive to discuss the close because you cited WP:CCC while preventing the possibility of even learning whether consensus has changed. In fact, you censored the deletion discussion because you did not like it. I have discussed this article with Foundation officials. What do you think they will say if they are asked about it during a wide audience appearance or media interview? Selery (talk) 16:41, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Discussion has not been censored. It has been discussed.--v/r - TP 16:52, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

My questions stand: (1) How long until the community is allowed to discuss deletion of the article again? (2) What do you think Foundation officials will say about the article if asked in a public forum? Selery (talk) 16:54, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

(1) When a new point is brought up that hasn't been discussed before, (2) They already have and their answer was it better be sourced.--v/r - TP 17:23, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

If you limit discussion to only new points, then that means you prevent consensus from ever changing, even though you cited the policy to the contrary. Do you have any objections to my using your name and affiliations in a letter-writing campaign to news, professional, and academic organizations concerning this matter? Selery (talk) 19:29, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

If you intend to quote me in context, then feel free. Be sure you've read the disclaimer on my user page as well.--v/r - TP 19:32, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

I have no way to know what context you feel is sufficient. If you prepare a statement in a day's time explaining why you believe you have not disgraced yourself, the project, and the uniform of the United States Air Force then I will include it with my correspondence. I think it is disgusting that you willingly seek to preclude the very policy you cited when closing the AFD, and I will make a point of explaining why in as wide and specific fora as I believe will be most effective in helping you to see the error of your ways. Selery (talk) 19:45, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

• Comment: There have not been 22 bona fide deletion nominations. Many of the deletion nominations were created by GNAA trolls and subsequently closed per WP:DENY with some having been deleted. I selected the next number in sequence not shown on {{GNAA History}}. Selery (talk) 16:58, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
• Endorse Speedy Keep Close WP:DENY does not pertain to articles, a subject which i've brought up on the talk page of that before. In trying to use DENY on an article, you are directly and deliberately violating WP:NPOV. TO be neutral in terms of our coverage, we do not apply things like DENY to anything but editors and only very, very rarely do we apply WP:IAR. In fact, so rarely that I don't remember a single discussion where it was invoked in terms of an article deletion and was upheld. Nothing in this nomination or in the AfD nomination announced anything policy based in terms of deletion. The article has clearly shown its notability through various sources and the community already held it to a far higher standard than we should have otherwise due to the nature of the subject. The subject itself eventually passed even those high standards, so I see absolutely no reason for it to be deleted and you present no coherent deletion-based rationale for doing so. Silverseren 17:00, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Carlon Jeffery

Carlon Jeffery (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

Link for actor is currently a redirect to A.N.T. Farm. Requesting that the actor have his own entry, I worked on it in my own userspace: User:QuasyBoy/Carlon Jeffery. Actor has a regular role in the A.N.T. Farm series, which was recently renewed for a second season. Other than A.N.T. Farm, he appeared in three episodes of Heroes. I figured, I would take this to deletion review, seeing that the decision on Sierra McCormick (Jeffery's A.N.T. Farm co-star) was overturned: Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2011 December 19. QuasyBoy 04:54, 31 December 2011 (UTC)