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The result was keep. ✗plicit 10:34, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Nick Veasey

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Indications of notability, but not enough evidence, in current article or from Google search. Article has been in CAT:NN for almost 12 years; hopefully, we can now resolve it. Boleyn (talk) 07:53, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

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  • Keep Comment - This leads me to believe there is notability there....his work is in the permanent collection of the Victoria and Albert Museum. Also this show at Mass MoCA . But what it a little odd is that of all the museum collections listed on his CV, the V&A is the only one that can be verified. Netherzone (talk) 15:12, 11 September 2021 (UTC) UPDATE: I've changed my Comment to K**p, as it has been established that he meets WP:GNG per SIGCOV in multiple independent reliable sources over a period of time, and per several of his works in the collection of the Victoria & Albert Museum (as above and in the comment below). Netherzone (talk) 15:57, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. While the subject seems to be on the borderline of notability, the consensus in this discussion is that this individual is on the non-notable side of that borderline. —⁠ScottyWong⁠— 19:34, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Maggie Siner

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There are sources in the article that make it look legit, but once I scrape below the surface a bit, I cannot find any sources that are in-depth and independent.There are one or two good mentions, but no record of museum collections or significant shows outside of the private gallery circuit that might make her meet WP:NARTIST. --- Possibly ☎ 02:25, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

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It is also worth mentioning that he article is here because the person who wrote it made several trips to Venice to interview the artist. At some point they became friends and the article creator continued to edit/maintain the page. See the talk page for four new maintenance edits that are requested. I really wonder if we would have a page on her if it were not for these COI efforts, which is why I nominated it. --- Possibly ☎ 14:43, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
Thank you. That was very enlightening. Definitely decisive in my vote for deletion above then. ExRat (talk) 14:56, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
Hi there I think it is not fair on Morningbastet tu showel suspiscions of retributed contributing, I think she discovered the artist, started to write and then befriended her not the other way round. However I have found that the Thomas Balch Library has acquired one of her paintings but they have not yet put it up on their website. However the information is here. I think the subject of this article is effetively in a grey zone of notability, but still the longevity of her appearances (from 1988) is a fact. It is such a shame though that so many primary sources were used, but Morningbastet just made a newbie mistake there :/Nattes à chat (talk) 15:13, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
There is no suspicions at all here. Morningbastet confirmed that they worked in person with the artist to create the article through interviews, and then maintained the article over the years as a friend. Those are just facts that came from Morningbastet. --- Possibly ☎ 15:41, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
I have received from Morningbastet about 4 scanned articles of printed newspapers but there are no online versions. The newspapers are Loudoum Time's Mirror, Elan Magazine among (which this one cited in the references : “Bones Become Man’s Likeness”, Washington Post, April 4, 1988). I can send the articles for a check. I think this establishes the fact that she is known over a period of time. I am afraid that most of the articles can only be found in their printed form. There is also an article in the "American artist" from Betsy schein Goldman of 1993 which is centered on her an not an interview. I think it would be a mistake to delete this article just because the refs are not online. Nattes à chat (talk) 18:57, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Thank you Vexations. Where can I find versions of these two articles :
Comment On ProQuest, there is a May 1991 Washington Post article titled "Neighbors" with quotes from her, as well as a general reference to her experience teaching anatomy at Georgetown University and as a medical illustrator, a mention about how 3 years prior she assisted police, how she is currently planning an educational trip to China, that she previously taught at the Cleveland Institute of Art in France for 6 months, and she is currently showing work at a local gallery. The abstract for the American Artist feature is two lines and includes, "Maggie Siner is a prolific artist whose ease with her chosen medium and understanding of color and light make her a standout among those working in oil". Based on the Elan magazine About page, and its submission guidelines, the publication does not appear to have the type of editorial standards to be a notability-building source per the guidelines. The Loudon Times-Mirror is a weekly county newspaper, and while I would prefer to review the article, I think more would still be needed to support WP:BASIC even if it is a solid, in-depth feature. Beccaynr (talk) 20:22, 20 September 2021 (UTC) comment updated (website reference removed) to reflect additional research Beccaynr (talk) 20:42, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Keep I saw there is an exhition here going on now at the Dr. Bernard Heller Museum in New York and there is an exhibition catalog HERE where for this exhibition, which comforts me with the idea that her work is being recongnized. There were articles about her in 1988 according to the references so notability is demonstrated throughout time. For sure she is in a grey zone, but I think that given the current exhibition her notability has not disappeared and could progress in the future. Nattes à chat (talk) 09:35, 20 September 2021 (UTC) 
It may be worth noting that the Heller museum is a religious institute and not an art museum. The two sources given do not help much as they consist of a name check on the site, which lists about 50 other artists in the show, and a single sentence description of her work in the catalogue, presumably written by the artist. --- Possibly ☎ 11:06, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Being a religious museum nonetheless makes it a museum and Siner appears in the exhibition catalog. I am searching for more of these exhibition catalogs as I don't think this has been done. Nattes à chat (talk) 14:07, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
A group show in a religious museum is something, but what is needed to establish notability or artists is a set of reviews or critical texts that are independent of the artist and talk about their work in depth. Exhibition catalogues are not great as they are produced in concert with the artists to show the artist in a favourable light. Another possibility is that if the artist has been included in museum collections, these can be used to establish notability via WP:NARTIST. Neither of these seem to be true here, and several skilled editors have found only minor coverage. I'll stop commenting here. --- Possibly ☎ 14:16, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Keep There is abundant and centered press coverage for Maggie Siner from 1988 to 2020 and a centered article originally in italian by Gianfranco Munarotto on Ytaly, a 2006 centered article on Elan magazine from Sally Proutz, by independent critics and peers. Some of the press articles, for example the 1988 articles about the breakthrough identification of a murder victim through her facial reconstruction skills, are only available in paper version, that I can provide by mail, if need be. She has had many solo exhibition in Alliance française de Venise (2014) Washington Studio Gallery (2013), Alliance Française de Washington (2010), Artists Museum (1996), Bernard Heller Museum (2019-current), Loudoun Museum (1986), American University Library (1996) and others. These exhibition are not yet mentioned in the article Morningbastet (talk) 11:10, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
Comment The 2016 Ytali feature is available online: Maggie Siner: The Non-conformity of True Art, and as noted above, Elan does not appear to be a sufficiently reliable source to support notability. Beccaynr (talk) 16:03, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 17:04, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Christopher Easton

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This has been marked as needing citations since 2008. The article includes no reliable sources. I can't find any reliable sources online. Same for the alter ego Aida Libido.  SchreiberBike | ⌨  22:03, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

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The result was delete. No opinions to keep, but because of low participation (only one opinion other than nom's) this should be considered a soft deletion. The article will be undeleted on request. Deor (talk) 16:48, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Yves Hayat

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The two collections mentioned would make him meet NARTIST, if the collections were art collections. However, one is a monastery and one is a perfume museum. Apparently an autobiography as as well, which makes me doubt the neutrality of the claims. A draft of the same article was previously declined at AFC and then deleted. --- Possibly ☎ 15:10, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

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  • Comment.Possibly, I am seeing quite a lot of publications in French on art including him. Much of it is in snippet view, but I am inclined to think that quality independent RS with significant coverage does exist just browsing through the sources there. Did you look at google books?4meter4 (talk) 02:06, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
@4meter4: I read French so those entries would be no problem for me. However I still do not see anything significant. There is a French Yves Hayat who was involved in the disco scene as possibly as a music promoter. The Guardian says that "In 1977 Yves Hayat was a youthful label manager working for Barclay Records with a couple of solo LPs and a spot of production work under his wide leather belt." Here also is disco Yves performing on French TV as a robot musician. (Disco Hayat may actually be notable...) Another YH, and this might be the same one, was the co-editor and publisher of an art magazine. His name appears frequently here, but his bio does not mention anything about being a publisher. Our Yves Hayat gets mentioned a lot in something called Art Cote d'Azur, but it is usually a name check. I still cannot find SIGCOV of the artist Yves Hayat. If you have some links in mind I would be happy to look at them. --- Possibly ☎ 03:39, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
Hmm, This source may indicate he is part of a museum collection? That's just a guess on my part. In looking through, most others that are art related are about the editor of Galerie Magazine. I also wonder if the artist and editor are the same person? If they are I would say there is enough RS to pass BASIC. However, without proof it's a delete for me.4meter4 (talk) 19:19, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
@4meter4: that source is talking about the art magazine editor Hayat. I do not think it is the same person. The Musée d'Art Moderne de Paris also does not list a Hayat in their collection. --- Possibly ☎ 01:59, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Following the work by User:Possibly and others seems it's clear there is no longer a consensus to delete and a shift in those proposing deletion that the article does now achieve some degree of tenuous notability under WP:ARTIST. Seddon 22:24, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Patricio Moreno Toro

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I created this article but another user removed most of its sources. now, I'm not sure about the notability of subject. Please check it out.Mahdiar86 (talk) 20:49, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

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  • Delete I have made an effort to locate independent, reliable sources and found no significant coverage that could be used to sustain an article. Vexations (talk) 12:29, 6 September 2021 (UTC) Update: Weak keep. I still have some reservations about what we can reliably say about the subject, and an institution like the Museo de Arte Contemporáneo Ateneo de Yucatán (MACAY) is really small, and I'm not 100% sure that it's all that notable, but well done finding all that. Vexations (talk) 22:26, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Weak keep . If someone can find a reliable references his work is really being in the permanent collections of Museo Nacional de Bellas Artes, Santiago, Chile; Museum of Modern Art, Managua, Nicaragua; Museo Nacional de Arte Contemporary y Diseño, San Jose, Costa Rica; Smithsonian Institute, Washington, DC, USA; Museo Nacional de Belles Artes, Havana, Cuba as claimed he easily passed WP:ARTIST. But personally I could not find any support for those claims. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 10:19, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Keep Delete - I tried verifying the collections, and was unsuccessful. Does not pass WP:GNG nor WP:NARTIST at this time. I did however find that he was in two group shows at the Museo de Arte y Diseno Contemporaneo in San Jose, Costa Rica, but two group shows is definitely not enough to pass notability criteria. What can sometimes be problematic, is that not all museums have digitized all of the works held in their collections; some museums have not digitized their collections at all. Nevertheless, there needs to be some sort of proof that the artist's work is in notable collections to pass #4 of WP:ARTIST. If that is found I'd be willing to change my !vote. Mahdiar86, you created the article and also nominated it for deletion, is it possible for you to shed some light on where you found the information? That might help. Netherzone (talk) 14:18, 8 September 2021 (UTC) Passes WP:NARTIST, criteria 4. Changing my !vote to K**p now that three verified collections have been found. Great detective work, Possibly and others! Netherzone (talk) 19:50, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Delete for failing WP:NARTIST. There is no substantiation that proves claims of being a permanent exhibit. Ifnord (talk) 18:10, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment. I put a note in at Possibly's talk page to do a museum archive search to see if we can verify that his work is indeed included in one of those major collections which would establish notability per criteria #4 of NARTIST. Possibly is an expert at hunting down that kind of material in RS, and we should wait until he gets back to us before we close this AFD.4meter4 (talk) 18:26, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment I was pinged here and had a look around for museum collections. I got the sense that there may be coverage out there, but that it is in Spanish and it is probably under the name Patrico Toro.
  • I verified the De Young Museum collection (see here).
  • he has personal papers in the Smithsonian Archive of American Arts: link.
  • He was in four shows at the Costa Rican Museum of contemporary art and design. His CV says he is in the collection, but no proof of that found.
  • Mentioned here as part of a Museum of Finer Arts Houston show.
Artists love to inflate their CVs with claimed accomplishments. Some collections I checked did not verify. However, in this case, more often than not, a little scraping below the surface turned up some connection to the museum in question, as above. Haven't looked at the article, so no comment beyond that. It would take more time than I have tio figure this one out, but it seems like it might be heading in the direction of being kept. --- Possibly ☎ 18:59, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
Let's add the City of Berkeley to the collections list. There is also an interview at the Museum of the Yucatan. --- Possibly ☎
There is a Spanish sculptor named Jose Manuel Patricio Toro who is not the same guy. --- Possibly ☎ 19:39, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
Here is a third collection, the Museo de Arte Contemporáneo de Ciudad Acuña, which has no wiki page but looks legit. That makes two museums and a city with his work in permanent collections. The article needs work, but keep.
I'm not sure some of these are actually Patricio Moreno Toro. His name in short would be Patricio Moreno, not Patricio Toro. Especially that Yucatán source, isn't likely to be him (Spanish language sources will never mention him as Patricio Toro; I would expect an English language source to incorrectly name him Patricio Toro though, but I am not convinced it's the case here). BTW, the Smithsonian reference is out of question. --Bedivere (talk) 21:55, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
@Bedivere: I saw biographies listing San Francisco, Cancun and Chile as places of residence, so they all make sense. The De Young and Berkeley collections are him without a doubt; he lived in SF. The Smithsonian AAA collection makes sense, it is an exact match for his name in the article. Here is an article in "Diario de Yucatan" that shows him, with pictures, calling him Patricio Moreno Toro, so the Yucatan link makes sense, unless there are two Patricio Toro artists in the Yucatan. If there are other links you find dubious, let me know and I will check them. I think it is pretty routine for artists to use a nom de plume/stage name, just ask Robert Allen Zimmerman, Reginald Kenneth Dwight or Declan Patrick MacManus. --- Possibly ☎ 01:35, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
I'm conscious of the use of pen names. However, I incorrectly thought you performed the search ignoring that Moreno was his paternal surname (and so, the primary one). I have just checked the Spanish-language article and it states he also uses the "Patricio Toro" name. So, I no longer put these references in question. I still think the article is written in a promotional, non neutral way and, if kept, work should be done on it. --Bedivere (talk) 02:38, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
@Netherzone: nice work finding that. Here is the live version. That makes three collections, so it seems like a clear k*eep now. --- Possibly ☎ 19:03, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
  • comment Thanks for all participated users in discussion. After concluding, I'll move article to draft space for improving and working on it and finding more sources about subject to mention all his exhibitions.Mahdiar86 (talk) 13:59, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
There is no consensus to draftify. The subject is notable. Improvements can be made in main space.4meter4 (talk) 15:36, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
@Mahdiar86:, an administrator or uninvolved person will close the discussion, so please don't move anything. --- Possibly ☎ 04:29, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
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