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21 January 2009

Same sex marriage userboxes

User:Junglecat/marriage (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) (restore | cache | MfD) User:UBX/onemanonewoman (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) (restore | cache | MfD)

Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Discriminatory userboxes (also included a mis-named userbox in template space, which should not be restored - userboxes belong in user space)

There are any number of process problems here. For one, these userboxes were nominated along with two grossly inflammatory ones that were in no way appropriate. They should have been considered separately from the beginning. Secondly, at the point that the discussion was closed, it had run for just over a day and purely from a head-counting standpoint, keeps were outnumbering deletes. The closer substituted his own opinion for the opinions of those commenting - there is no policy reason that demands the deletion of these userboxes. It is a fact of life that for the majority of the world, marriage is between one man and one woman. Whether you agree with that or not, it is the law of the land. In the US, it's a hot button political issue, but every President, including President Obama, has opposed same sex marriage. Stating such could not reasonably be called so inflammatory as to demand speedy deletion. On the other hand, User:Tal642/my userboxes/SanerWorldNoReligion, that neither this closer nor anyone advocating the deletion seems to have a problem with, advocates either the extermination or forcible conversion of people of faith. I wouldn't be at all opposed to abolishing all user boxes that advocate a political position beyond simply stating a party or religious identity (eg, I am a Libertarian, I am a Catholic, I am Islamic), but until such time as that happens, selective enforcement of unapproved points of view is not a positive for the project and only contributes to hurt feelings. Personally, I am offended by a great deal of userpage content, but I recognize that I have no right on Misplaced Pages not to be offended. I also disagree with those who would call for a national so-called "sanctity of marriage amendment" or other such things. But this isn't about what I agree with - it's about whether or not it is appropriate to censor unpopular points of view in user space or for administrators to substitute their own preferences in place of community decision. Thank you. --B (talk) 22:27, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

• As some might know, I was amongst those that helped bring along "the new deal" - nowadays called WP:UBM in midst of the drama that was called "the userbox wars". I do not agree with the views of the people using the "one man and one woman" userbox. But I respect, and protect, their right to state their views, be it per userbox or text on their userpage (which a userbox, in essence is). Would one ask a user to delete the text "I believe marriage to be between one man and one woman" from his userpage? Would you go to MfD to enforce your request? But I digress... My three main issues with the "fast deletion" were that it looks like the closer did rather count the !votes instead of the arguments, and that he did not allow the MfD run its course. The third issue is that the neutrally worded userbox was listed with two (I persume) truly obnoxious ones, and that the result was tainted by the obnoxious userboxes. Therefore I suggest Undelete and Relist at MfD CharonX/talk 22:43, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

• Comment Requester may wish to reconsider that DRV statement. The law of which land? The tenet of which faith? Durova 22:56, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
  • According to Same-sex marriage, same-sex marriage, as I said in my statement, is not the law of the land in both the vast majority of the world as a whole and, specifically, in the vast majority of the English speaking world. If I am misinterpreting this map, please feel free to correct me. As for "tenet of which faith", I'm not sure what you are talking about. --B (talk) 23:11, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
    • Without qualifications, that nomination suggests an opinion that the practice is legal nowhere and endorsed by no religion. That's not quite true, is it? People who belong in such places and/or to such faiths might prefer to be acknowledged. No opinion on the DRV in question, just saying. Durova 23:18, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

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Samuel Purdey

Samuel Purdey (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (restore | cache | AfD))

I created the page for British rock group Samuel Purdey last week (which was then deleted). On the advice of a Misplaced Pages admin here, I recreated the article (in order to prevent further deletion while I worked on it) here at: http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Rolluprob/Samuel_Purdey

I have recently consulted admin RHaworth - who deleted the original article - and he suggested that I should post this at deletion review. I hope this is ok. The article has changed considerably since its deletion. And so, I would like for it to be reviewed where it now resides (no risk of deletion) before I attempt to recreate the page proper.

Further support for the bands notability - currently at #13 in Japan's Kiss Fm Hit Chart. http://www.kiss-fm.co.jp/pc/hit/hit_index.php
Thank you (Rolluprob (talk) 15:19, 21 January 2009 (UTC))

• Comment I don't see any new sourcing in the userspace article, indeed most of the article does not seem to be sourced to reliable sources. If you have reliable secondary sources for statements such as "These met with some favourable criticism by the British music press at the time" and "It became the 5th most played track on Tokyo radio stations during May 1999" then combined with that charting mentioned above I would probably be inclined to support recreation. Otherwise I have to say that it should be kept deleted for now as the sourcing issues from the AFD do not seem to have been resolved yet. Davewild (talk) 18:55, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Boxxy

Boxxy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (restore | cache | AfD))

Boxxy is the name given to a girl whose YouTube videos have become a viral phenomenon and internet meme, also causing great conflict on 4chan. The Boxxy phenomenon has been mentioned in The Guardian, an Australian journal, and two articles on a Dutch news site.

This looks decent and here she is described as the new lonelygirl15. All three previous versions of Boxxy were speedily deleted and the page was protected against creation so I am opening a discussion here at WP:DRV. With these reliable sources the Boxxy phenomenon clearly meets WP:V, WP:NOR and WP:BLP and so an article should be created as a notable meme and internet personality. Hospitality Flawless (talk) 13:14, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

• Suggest a userspace version of an article be created first (e.g at User:Hospitality Flawless/Boxxy) and brought here to deletion review. The previous deleted versions were all very bad (with no useful content) and I endorse all 3 deletions made (though not the rationale for the first one). As a result I think it is best that we first see a userspace version before we consider allowing recreation. Davewild (talk) 18:41, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
• I concur with Davewild above. I'd like to see an actual userspace article written before i'd vote on whether or not an article is appropriate. Umbralcorax (talk) 20:19, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

• I have created a draft article about Boxxy - please feel free to update this or amend it as you wish.--Hospitality Flawless (talk) 23:01, 21 January 2009 (UTC)