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• Syrian Civil War
  • After more than 18 months of requests, Turkey comes under heavy international pressure to secure its borders to the influx of foreign fighters, oil, and weapons crossing into Syria to fight for ISIS. ISIS fighters have been moving towards the Turkey-Syria border using armored cars looted from Iraqi military bases. (The Guardian)
  • Fighters from the Islamic State seize Al-Thawrah airbase, the last remaining stronghold of Bashar al-Assad's government in Ar-Raqqah Governorate. (BBC)
  • Peter Theo Curtis, an American citizen, is released by an al-Qaida-linked group after two years in captivity. (AP)
• 2014 Israel-Gaza conflict
  • Four Arab-Israeli taxi drivers are injured, two seriously, after they came under mortar and rocket attack at the Erez border crossing while waiting to transport critically injured Palestinians for treatment at Israeli hospitals. (Times of Israel)
  • An Israeli airstrike levels a seven story apartment building in Gaza, injuring 20 people and displacing over 40 families. Due to warnings by the IDF to evacuate the building, there were no fatalities in the strike. (Fox News)
  • The Palestinian Authority confirms earlier reports that Fatah activists were shot in the legs and arms after being placed under house arrest by Hamas. Hamas alleges the attacks were carried out by members acting on their own. (Jerusalem Post)
  • During an interview with Iranian TV, Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal, rejects resuming negotiations for a cease-fire while saying resistance is the only way of achieving demands. (Times of Israel)
• An Israeli-made drone is shot down near the Natanz nuclear enrichment facility by Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution. (Reuters) (BBC News) (Aljazeera)

• British actor, director, producer, and entrepreneur Richard Attenborough dies, aged 90. (BBC)

• Swiss drugmaker Hoffmann-La Roche agrees to acquire American drugmaker InterMune for $8.3 billion. (San Francisco Chronicle)

• A 6.0 magnitude earthquake strikes Napa, California, in the northern San Francisco Bay area of the United States. It is the largest earthquake to strike Northern California in 25 years since the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake. (Los Angeles Times) (MSN)

• The Democratic Republic of Congo confirms two deaths from Ebola in the north of the country, the first cases reported from the current outbreak. (Xinhua)

• Association footballer Albert Ebossé dies after being struck by a projectile thrown by a fan just hours after a matchup between his home team JS Kabylie and USM Alger. The match ended in a 2-1 defeat and the Cameroonian died of head injury due to the strike. He was aged 24. (The Guardian)
• In baseball, South Korea beats Illinois to win the 2014 Little League World Series. (AP via CTV News)

Mozambique Ceasefire

• Updated and nominated by GoldenRing (talk · give credit)

• Opposed only on article quality which is sorely lacking (need more on why the insurgency, get rid of the proseline). Suppose the news item on principle of a good resolution point in the story (the co-signing of the cease fire). --MASEM (t) 05:36, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

I've updated the article, cleaning up the references and expanding the background section. I don't have time to do much more right now. GoldenRing (talk) 06:10, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

I would focus on trying to de-proseline the Timeline section, though the information is updated. I'm sure more can be added but this is a good start. --MASEM (t) 15:56, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

supportwith context since it regrew some months ago, meant to create an article on the fighting recently but never got down to it. Theres an electoral context tooLihaas (talk) 08:44, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose - Ceasefires nowadays rarely last.-FutureTrillionaire (talk) 14:32, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

WP:CRYSTAL GoldenRing (talk) 02:16, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

• Support I think a better target article is RENAMO, but the proposed article works well engough. The rebels are the armed wing of a political group that can claim ca. 30% of the popular vote in the last election.128.214.53.104 (talk) 04:15, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose. Reading the articles, it seems this "insurgency" is rather limited. More people are involved and killed in gang warfare in a week in Chicago than this entire insurgency. Abductive (reasoning) 16:31, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

I think that reasoning is apples and oranges; deaths by criminal activity versus a rebel uprising against a nation. Also, consider that Mozambique is only a little over double the population of Chicago's metro area; death counts wouldn't really be that significant. - Floydian  _¢ 19:17, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Richard Attenborough

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• Nominated by The Rambling Man (talk · give credit)

• Support blurb. Clearly at or near the top of his field. RD at a minimum, but I think he merits a blurb given his honors and career. 331dot (talk) 21:12, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb, Support RD. A blurb would contain no more information than a RD entry. Lets not put celebrity obituaries in the news section. Thue (talk) 21:14, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

• Deaths can be newsworthy themselves, which is what a blurb is for. 331dot (talk) 21:15, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

• He died of old age, presumable in non-eventful circumstances. Hundreds have died in the Tabqa air base battle news item just below, which you haven't supported. I just don't see the appeal of all this focus on celebrities. Thue (talk) 21:20, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

• Margaret Thatcher and Nelson Mandela died of old age and got blurbs, because their deaths were news themselves. 331dot (talk) 21:32, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

• I doubt Attenborough hits the significance of either of those two. With Attenborough, we'll likely have plenty of "he died" articles, people will be bummed, and the news will move on soon after it. Taylor Trescott - + _{my edits} 21:35, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

• Support RD, oppose blurb. See talk page for discussion based on Williams blurb - this is similar to Lauren Bacall, in that we'll have a bunch of obits but as death by old age, not going to be a major story. Article needs some referencing help before it can be posted though (mostly in Personal Life; the sections on filmography can run as is). --MASEM (t) 21:17, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support RD only. Although I'm sure people will pick at Williams getting a blurb, it's a fairly different story in my view. They both clearly meet RD criteria, but Williams was relatively healthy and ended his life while his career was still active. Attenborough had been suffering health issues and made relatively few films in recent years compared to Williams. And if we didn't keep Bacall up, an Attenborough blurb will probably be pulled as well. Taylor Trescott - + _{my edits} 21:21, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support for RD, a major figure. Although I'd give him a maximum of five days (if I could, of course). Martinevans123 (talk) 21:26, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
• Obvious RD. Gamaliel (talk) 21:40, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support RD: Clearly notable, won several awards and well-known. 174.114.142.10 (talk) 22:13, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support RD Soni (talk) (Previously TheOriginalSoni) 22:16, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support both Miyagawa (talk) 22:38, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

We don't normally do both, so I guess this translates as "support either". Formerip (talk) 22:52, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

• Support blurb. I think the whole thing of deaths not cutting it if the person is old is a weak argument generally. On that basis, Attenborough should be posted on the basis that his career is as noteworthy as people we have posted. Arguably among the best actors of his generation, although that's just IMO. Formerip (talk) 22:52, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support either. He did die of old age, but then again he had 1585 page views a day prior to this news. Abductive (reasoning) 22:57, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
• Comment. This is making the front pages of the sites I have added above. Clearly a top story. 331dot (talk) 23:02, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
  • So was Bacall when she died. The question is whether they have the same level coverage tomorrow. --MASEM (t) 23:21, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support RD I don't think he's quite at the level of Bacall or Williams. Neljack (talk) 23:20, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support blurb, such a great artist that there's no better parody than this. μηδείς (talk) 23:41, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
• Which of the various irrelevant talk page discussions are you alluding to, User:Masem? According to the 2012 RfC establishing RD. deaths of people most highly noted in their field are still eligible for a full blurb. If you thin Attenborough is important enough it doesn't matter that he died of old age and there's no need for further discussion since the rules already allow his posting. What am I missing? μηδείς (talk) 23:55, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Not that I necessarily agree with the idea that old age deaths lead to an RD posting, but that seems to have been the consensus that developed. From the point of view of the readers, there is little difference--they can still find the article. Abductive (reasoning) 00:07, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

This discussion Misplaced Pages talk:In the news/Candidates#RD vs Blurb for deceased, which specifically came up in having a blurb for Williams (who's death was in the news for days) and Lauren Bacall (who's death covered over a day and then dropped out the news). The question is if Attenborough is that notable of a person given that death by old age is common. --MASEM (t) 00:08, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't think the opinions of a few editors in previous discussion are binding. Death at 63 is also common (in fact, much more common than at 90), and there's no real reason why age should make a death more or less worthy for ITN purposes. There's every reason it shouldn't (systematic bias). The question is how notable Attenborough was, but it should be approached in just the same way as the question of how notable Williams was. Formerip (talk) 00:42, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

It's not the age of death, it's death by old age vs death by an unnatural method (in Williams' case, suicide, which highlighted the story on how a comedian could be depressed enough, with no obvious signs of problems to the public, could take his life). --MASEM (t) 00:50, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, biologists would hold that a death by stroke at 63 is death from aging. Abductive (reasoning) 04:28, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

• Support RD only. Significant actor who died of old age. RD material.--Johnsemlak (talk) 00:22, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
• Neutral his brother yes, him, not really. Nergaal (talk) 00:35, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
• Note: Since no one mentioned it, the article needs a bit of work before we can put it on the main page in any capacity. There are entire sections which are very sporadically referenced; the entire Corporate Appointments section is particularly egregious. An article needn't be perfect, and a cn tag or two shouldn't hold one up, but this article has more problems than that. --Jayron32 02:13, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
• Recent Death notice is necessary (and up for at least a week), but no ITN blurb. WP policy for this tiny box is clear. the death has to be eventful in and of itself to get a blurb. This means that death from old age, after a persons career, no matter how illustrious (his was very much so), doesnt get a blurb. death in office, suicide, murder, or otherwise in prime of career, does get one. exception would be if the aftermath was highly newsworthy (say, if gandhi had died of old age and gotten that funeral procession) However, i did have to do a lot of searching to find the policy on this. i find it very difficult to navigate the ITN/RD pages. I also reviewed some of the past selections, to see if we were abiding by policy, and we seem to be (that was hard for me, so imagine a reader wanting to participate for the first time, trying to figure out how this works). i think a nice big bold sentence, where a reader can find it, saying what our policy is on recent deaths vs news stories, would help.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 04:11, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Wrong. The most illustrious subjects do get blurbs. Consider Margaret Thatcher and Nelson Mandela. 159.92.1.1 (talk) 19:29, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

• Posted to RD Mjroots (talk) 05:26, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
• There Seems to be a whole lot of ignorancing going on. A deceased being top of his field merits him a full blurb. This should be upgraded. The man qon and was involved in a handful of Oscar-awarded works, and more than half a dozen Baftas. What living British director outranks him? Hitchcock? Spielberg? One might think this place was run by a bunch of 24 or less year olds. μηδείς (talk) 21:00, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, someone should just ignore the discussion above and make this a blurb because Medeis thinks it should be so. This posting was handled in exactly the right way, in my opinion. --Bongwarrior (talk) 21:16, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

• Post-posting support for RD glad I don't drink or take hallucinogenic drugs while working on Misplaced Pages!!!! The Rambling Man (talk) 19:42, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Tabqa air base captured

• Nominated by Jinkinson (talk · give credit)

• Support I tended to oppose since this is not the death of a US celebrity or a sport event, but will make a one-time exception for the capture of a key point in an important war. Thue (talk) 20:11, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

• If you want to see other events posted, please nominate them. Williams was not just a "US celebrity" either, but someone with worldwide recognition and coverage in sources around the world. 331dot (talk) 20:33, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

• Support. Important development. Also, there is no Syria or Iraq ongoing item yet. Abductive (reasoning) 23:02, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

óppoaw it snot widely reporte at the top of the news unlike many other wtories we don't post wit updates...but there is also other bigger strategic events in Syria.Lihaas (talk) 08:52, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose - In the context of the Syrian Civil War, this is very insignificant. It's just one airbase. There are currently way more important battles.--FutureTrillionaire (talk) 14:34, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

2014 Napa earthquake

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• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

• Oppose No deaths reported, and 6.0 for a California earthquake is not uncommon (yes, largest in Northern CA but not statewise). Compare to the 5.5 Johannesburg quake that included 1 death but was not posted. --MASEM (t) 16:01, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose. I agree with Masem; no significant levels of casualties, not an unusual event for California as a whole. 331dot (talk) 16:02, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose. There was some property damage and injuries - but earthquakes are a relatively common occurrence in California. It's a bit morbid, but it would need to be a major catastrophe to be newsworthy. Challenger l (talk) 16:34, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose Worldwide, there are approximately three magnitude 6 quakes per week: . Given that, whether or not we post a magnitude 6 quake or not depends solely on the impact of the quake itself. This one does not appear to be having a major impact on life or property, so I don't see why we should post it. Now, that doesn't mean that every magnitude 6 earthquake is ineligible. Just that being a magnitude 6 quake is not sufficient in itself to consider it an automatically newsworthy event. This one is not. Maybe another would could be. --Jayron32 17:19, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose: per above - no deaths and rather weak earthquake in comparison to significant ones that are posted. 174.114.142.10 (talk) 22:15, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support Worldwide, 99% of the planet is uninhabited. This is major damage to a major metropolitan area, and the first place I'd come looking for objective information. I am curious if any of the opposes can tell us the name of the article without having looked? μηδείς (talk) 22:34, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Posting this and not the South African quake would be seen as blatant systemic bias. 331dot (talk) 23:14, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Exactly. Yes, it's huge in the US news, but that's because we're (the American viewing audience) obsessed with events in our own country. (Add to the fact that were a larger magnitude quake in Peru within the last hour as I write this) --MASEM (t) 00:12, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

( 7.0 to be exact, but no reported casualties.) --MASEM (t) 00:13, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

I have no interest in seeing this ITN, but I must ask, why are casualties and destruction being used to gauge importance? An event like an earthquake can have interest without deaths or damage. Of course, I'm not saying this event has interest, but when did "having a major impact on life or property" become a criteria for news? News has value beyond immediate survival concerns. Viriditas (talk) 01:06, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Casualties and destruction are specific quantifiable means available to gauge the level of a disaster. Those aren't (and shouldn't) be the only criteria, but they are considered. Death and destruction, rightly or wrongly, are also things that generate the most attention in the news, which is outside our control. 331dot (talk) 01:10, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

I disagree with your assessment of what generates the most attention. Clearly, Misplaced Pages is an educational site, not an infotainment channel. Viriditas (talk) 01:20, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes; say if there was a 9.0 quake out in the middle of the Pacific that any possible destruction is unlikely. We'd still likely report that as a 9.0 quake is extremely rare even if it didn't have any destruction. But as quakes, generally 7.0 and under happened all over the world, we really need to focus if it caused a major impact. We'd do the same for hurricanes/tropic storms/tsunamis/tornadoes/blizzards and other natural disasters. --MASEM (t) 01:15, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

The blurb is quite clear on its importance: it is the largest magnitude earthquake in Northern California since the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake. In other words, it is the strongest earthquake felt in Northern California in 25 years. Is that important enough to reach ITN? I don't know, and frankly, I don't care. But I strongly disagree with using death and destruction as a metric on a website devoted to education and knowledge. Viriditas (talk) 01:18, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

We aren't talking about the entirety of Misplaced Pages here, just this little corner of it. Each event must be weighed on its own merits as Masem states; the more common an event (lower magnitude quakes) the more important specific criteria like casualties and destruction become. An earthquake in California, with strong building codes and preparation resulting in less damage and deaths, is not as notable as an earthquake in Haiti which killed tens of thousands and leveled much of the country. There must be criteria like that, or ITN would be flooded with events. 331dot (talk) 02:31, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose while it may be the strongest since the 89 quake, it brought no loss of life, and its not the next "big one" by a long shot. its a very important local story, to be sure, but not as earthshaking as other ITN's. (yes, i did think of that word a second before realizing its literal relevance-used it anyway)Mercurywoodrose (talk) 04:17, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose minor localised issue with no long term impact. The sooner we stop being surprised by earthquakes in earthquake zones, the better. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:04, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose This nomination seems to be (as others mention above) rather 'Americentric' in nature and the earthquake itself doesn't seem terribly 'big', for want of a better word. Without significant casualties or property destruction I don't think I can support such nominations.
• Oppose Call me back when it's Arizona Bay time. Lugnuts 08:10, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

2014 Israeli drone shoot down

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• Nominated by Mhhossein (talk · give credit)

• Oppose - The loss of a drone is nothing big. I recognize this is an interesting (Worrisome in way) interaction between Israel and ISIS, but unless this leads to a larger response, seems to be expected given the front that ISIS is pushing. --MASEM (t) 00:15, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

• This is about Israel and Iran, not Israel and IS. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 01:01, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

• My bad - too many "I" groups in the news lately that I mix up on the names. That said, while this might be the start of some incident, this is not yet any indication of larger issues. The speculation that it is "important" is just that until proven out by stronger political actions. --MASEM (t) 03:11, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

How can you ignore the importance of current nuclear negotiations? Or you are denying its effect on the final result. I mean, it is not simply sending a spy drone. Mhhossein (talk) 04:48, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

It's all speculation on if this will have an impact. Yes I understand that this can have impact, but unless it causes the negotiations to break down or one side to declare war on the other, it's just that. --MASEM (t) 05:07, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

But that case is the upper limit and we should not wait for it, because as I said before, it is very far-fetched! The aim of ITN is not to include only such restricted war news. Although Politically, the incident is of a great importance because the Iran-Israel relations are in a very critical status and it is counted as crossing the war borders. The news of shoot down is already on many reliable sources such as BBC, Aljazeera, Reuters and New York Times. Then, what are we talking about? Mhhossein (talk) 06:17, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose. If the drone was armed and on a mission to launch an attack, that might be noteworthy enough, but from what I can read it was just a spy drone; countries spy on each other all the time. 331dot (talk) 00:47, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Sending an armed drone is very far-fetched. So, we should not wait for such an incident. The fact is that, this operation has a very political importance. Mhhossein (talk) 04:48, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Countries spy on each other, But the Israeli drone shoot down happened near Iranian nuclear facility, while Iran is negotiating with 5+1 on its nuclear program. So, the situation is very critical and this incident may change the current balance. Moreover, Iran–Israel relations are not simply like many other countries. Both sides have threatened each other because of the dispute over Iran nuclear program Mhhossein (talk) 02:06, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Drones are easily armed and used often in such a capacity. If the talks break down and end because of this incident, that might be noteworthy. Otherwise it is mere speculation to post this based on what might happen. 331dot (talk) 12:17, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose. It is possible that Netanyahu is trying to distract from his failure in Gaza by ramping up tensions with Iran. Abductive (reasoning) 03:04, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

But this fact never decreases the importance of this incident. Whatever the goal is, the stealth radar-evasive drone is sent by Israel and shot down by Iran. Considering the current situation of the middle east, it is not a simple operation. Mhhossein (talk) 04:30, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

I really can't agree. The Mossad has been assassinating people inside Iran and that is far more serious. I don't remember if the Bid Ganeh blast was posted to ITN, and that killed 17 people. Abductive (reasoning) 04:32, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose This is not a 'newsworthy' event of sufficient scale to go on ITN. It seems to be just another minor development in the long running tensions between Israel and Iran.

What events are of sufficient scale to go on ITN? You are ignoring some very critical elements such as: Iran-5+1 negotiations, place of incident (Near a nuclear site), Iran-Israel threatening each other over nuclear disputes. Mhhossein (talk) 06:21, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

We are generally looking for events that represent a firm transition from one state to another, so that we don't flood ITN with incremental updates towards that. The fact an Israeli drone flying over an Irani nuclear plant was shot down by the IS during negotiations with Iran on their nuclear program is not a firm transition. It an event, it might lead to something, but that's all speculation and crystal balling at this point. If (god forbid) the two sides turn to all out war over that, then that's a transition that we would capture at ITN. Or perhaps they reach a critical agreement, then we'd have that as the ITN. --MASEM (t) 06:25, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Once again, the IS has nothing to do with this. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 07:21, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

2014 Little League World Series

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• Nominated by MrWooHoo (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Tad Lincoln (talk · give credit)

• Speedy close as we don't even post youth tournaments, even tournaments that are as big as professional leagues in some countries. –HTD 12:10, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose per HTD.--Johnsemlak (talk) 13:08, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose- In the US people care about this basically on equal standing with Major League Baseball, but there is no encyclopedic reason to it. It's a youth tournament, no matter how much it gets blown out of proportion. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 01:00, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose. Same reason as the recently declined Youth Olympics--not top level competition. Rhodesisland (talk) 11:09, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

August 23

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August 23, 2014 (2014-08-23) (Saturday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks 2014 Israel-Gaza conflict Four additional Palestinians charged with collaborating with Israel are publicly executed outside of the Jabalia refugee camp by Hamas; the killings are denounced by the secretary-general of the PA, Tayeb Abdel Rahim, who compared them to ISIS. (Times of Israel) The IDF retracts claims that the mortar shell that killed an Israeli child was fired near or from a school run by UNRWA, saying that the shell was fired from a school used as a shelter run by Hamas. (The Guardian) 2014 Libyan conflict Warplanes of an unknown nationality bomb Islamist forces, killing ten fighters. (AFP via Yahoo! News) Tripoli International Airport is captured by Islamist militias following days of clashes with nationalist militias. (AFP via Yahoo! News) Iraqi insurgency (2011–present): The UN calls for action to prevent what it suspects may become a massacre in the northern Iraqi town of Amirli, which has been besieged by IS forces since June. (BBC) At least 30 people are killed in bombings in Baghdad and Kirkuk. (Sky News) Islamist insurgency in Nigeria Thirty-five Nigerian police officers are missing following an attack on a training school in Borno state. (CNN) Business and economics Goldman Sachs agrees to buy back $3.15 billion in low quality mortgage bonds that it dumped on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac preceding the financial crisis of 2007–08. (New York Times) Disasters and accidents Iceland issues a red alert warning for the Bárðarbunga volcano meaning significant emissions are likely. (BBC) A oil tanker carrying 5,000 liters of oil explodes while docking at the Lach Bang port, Thanh Hoa, Viet Nam killing two people and injuring four others. The fire is ignited either in the oil compartments or from the cooking gas cylinder. (Thanh Nien News) Politics and elections Afghan presidential election, 2014 A recount of votes begins after contenders Abdullah Abdullah and Ashraf Ghani reach a deal with the assistance of United States Secretary of State John Kerry. (BBC) Sports 2014 Pan Pacific Swimming Championships American swimmer Katie Ledecky breaks her own world record for the 400 metres freestyle. (Reuters via Yahoo! News) Picture update suggestion There's a free picture available on a newer news item. File:Cloudburst damage of Hiroshima in 2014 Yagi-3.JPG would work well for the Hiroshima landslide story. I'm quite terrible at getting the picture right (I always forget something). Can we get that picture up? --Jayron32 21:21, 23 August 2014 (UTC) Fully support. Now 12 days since the death of Robin Williams. ITN image now relates to lowest placed item? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:27, 23 August 2014 (UTC) Support as always, I'd ask User:David Levy if he has the time to make sure it's done correctly. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:31, 23 August 2014 (UTC) Done. Thanks for the ping. —David Levy 21:54, 23 August 2014 (UTC) Thanks for the quick reaction. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:11, 24 August 2014 (UTC) Bárðarbunga All calm (for the moment) so we'll park this discussion. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:51, 27 August 2014 (UTC) The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Article: Bárðarbunga (talk · history · tag) Blurb: ​ Icelandic volcano Bárðarbunga erupts and threatens to disrupt European aviation. (Post) News source(s): BBC, DailyKos Credits: Nominated by The Rambling Man (talk · give credit) Article needs updatingNominator's comments: One for the whiners, something that, if it pans out as expected, will cause billions of euros to the aviation and insurance industries. Of course, the blurb could use work, the article certainly needs some work, but if we want some reasonable turnover to start up again at ITN, this is a start.... (or at least an attempt at one...) The Rambling Man (talk) 17:29, 23 August 2014 (UTC) Wait. Current news reports indicate the eruption is contained beneath the local ice cap. If the eruption melts its way to the surface then this could have a major effect on air traffic across Europe and the North Atlantic, but we are not to that stage yet. --Allen3  18:00, 23 August 2014 (UTC) Wait per Allen3, until the eruption actually causes these problems. --MASEM (t) 18:13, 23 August 2014 (UTC) Comment agreed that waiting is conventional, but there appears to be a groundswell to start including things that aren't that notable or things that may or may not happen, etc. Since this is being widely reported, and is notable, it seems like a good candidate to get the ball rolling on such nouveau stories. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:25, 23 August 2014 (UTC) Comment. We can't know this far in advance what the impact will be. The ash butt from Eyjafjallajökull in 2010 caused billions of dollars in air travel disruption, but the larger Grímsvötn 2011 eruption only disrupted about 1% as many flights. A lot depends on the composition of the ash butt, the length and size of the eruption, and the weather patterns at the time. On average, Iceland has an eruption every 4 years or so, but they are almost never as problematic as Eyjafjallajökull was. Most of the time, the impact on air travel is local and modest. I suppose one could focus on just the eruption itself as the news item, but whether or not this will actually impact air travel outside Iceland is still a matter of crystal ball gazing at this point. Dragons flight (talk) 18:31, 23 August 2014 (UTC) Wait until actual problems occur. This may or may not be newsworthy, if and when this starts causing Eyjafjallajökull level disruption, and (much more importantly) if and when we have quality updates to the article that show the same, we should post this. --Jayron32 19:39, 23 August 2014 (UTC) Comment you don't think I know all this? The point is that we are being asked from various places and various whining types to get some actual news to the ITN section. This is making news already, impact or not. It's just a tester really to decide if we want to include news that is being widely reported but whose impact may or may not occur. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:03, 23 August 2014 (UTC) You know, pretending to "cave in" to people you call "whiners" smacks of disingenuousness; you clearly don't actually think this is a good story to post, and yet you keep pushing it in the face of opposition. This smacks of the WP:POINT behavior we've all come to expect of you: because other people appear to have differing opinions, you float a strawman attempt to concede to those different opinions, and then when your bad-faith suggestion gets shot down, you feel like you were right all along. You can stop this now; it's quite alright to allow people who think differently than you to think differently, and also if decisions get made that you wouldn't have agreed with, you can also allow them to just go along uncommented on, without acting like singular decisions somehow represent a tearing down of the entire society you've come to value, leading to the melodramatic levels of despair over the destruction of some vital part of our community you seem to think every such differing opinion represents to you. Just quit it. --Jayron32 21:26, 23 August 2014 (UTC) Wow, you need to get back to your happy pills. This is an attempt to float an idea to appease some sections of the community that believe we don't do enough to churn ITN, we're not keeping up with news etc. Your tirade is noted, and reflects nothing other than your own repressed inadequacies I'm afraid. (P.S. I clearly do think it's a good story to post as it most likely will disrupt a forthcoming trip I'm intending to make. But hey, who needs any kind of good faith when "Jayron" is tearing someone a new hole?) The Rambling Man (talk) 21:29, 23 August 2014 (UTC) Right, because it is good faith to say that people who might think differently than you are "whining". You used that word first, and said that you only nominated this to appease them. You said so, not me. I merely called you on your disingenuousness. --Jayron32 04:34, 24 August 2014 (UTC) Well where I live, the disruption already being caused (partial closure of Icelandic airspace) and the threat to European travel is all over the news. You should get out more. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:54, 24 August 2014 (UTC) Hm? --Jayron32 17:14, 24 August 2014 (UTC) Hm? Great stuff Jayron, you rock! The Rambling Man (talk) 17:22, 24 August 2014 (UTC) Comment. According to Talk:Grímsvötn, its 2011 eruption was considered significant enough to be featured. Major volcanic eruptions are interesting enough in themselves, even if they don't inconvenience any airplanes, and especially when they are happening in the somewhat unusual situation of being beneath a glacier. And besides, while it hasn't been exactly a slow news week, the headlines have been dominated by long-running stories. Relatively speaking, a volcano is a cheerful break at this stage. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 04:20, 24 August 2014 (UTC) The ITN on Grimsvotn was on May 25 2011, the eruption prior but with the call of "air traffic disruption" on May 22. So I think the same pattern makes sense here, waiting for actual air traffic to be disrupted and not just the warning it might be. As this volcano was active four years ago, this new surge I would not consider ITN, yet. But all signs trends towards a possible news story in the near future. --MASEM (t) 04:33, 24 August 2014 (UTC) Support. I don't know why this isn't posted yet. We do know magma is on the move inside a 200 Km volcano. I caught some news in the US from a friend that the warning had gone to orange. When I came here to nominate it, I find that the warning is now red with an eruption, but are these updates on the main page, nope. The story isn't even on the back page; it's on the Talk page still. We don't have to blow it out of proportion or speculate, but we can report what is in the news. Here's my source and info. Iceland: Magma is on the move inside Bárðarbunga, eruption is likely. Barðárbunga is over 200 kilometers long with large eruption every 250-600 years. One of its eruptions before settlers arrived was 21-30 cubic kilometers of lava. It is associated with massive amounts of toxic gas release that has previously caused extreme winter conditions, enough to freeze the Mississippi to New Orleans. "The Icelandic Weather OfficeVeður­stofa considers it likely that there will be an eruption in Bárðarbunga and has raised the warning stage for air traffic from yellow to orange because of this (Ed: orange is the final stage before "It's currently erupting"). This was announce today on the noon news of RÚV, but scientists are still in a meeting with with the national protective services of the state law enforcement agency. Updated 12:49: The weather office has now announced that the GPS position meters give a strong indications of magma movement inside Bárðarbunga." Alrich44 (talk) 09:41, 24 August 2014 (UTC) Support - and I agree with user Alrich44, this article should be posted soon.--BabbaQ (talk) 10:01, 24 August 2014 (UTC) Comment The update at the moment is ultra-short. This needs to be fixed first. Otherwise, support posting. --Tone 10:57, 24 August 2014 (UTC) Wait There's seismic activity indicating a possible eruption is imminent, but so far there is no confirmed eruption. At the time I write this, the Iceland Met Office has a banner notice on their page: "Presently there are no signs of ongoing volcanic activity. The aviation color code for the Bárðarbunga volcano remains red as an imminent eruption can not be excluded." Thus far, the only effects from this is the red warning for aviation, which only is in place for a small area near the volcano, and a small exclusion zone around it. The link above has some conflicting information. The most recent post (24th August 2014 06:48 (Icelandic time? UTC?)) about the volcano mentions earthquakes but also "No signs of tremor, indicative of eruption, were detected during the night." From the 23rd August 2014 20:30 message: "During three hours of aerial surveillance, there were no obvious signs of volcanic activity." However, there is also talk of the possibility of a sub-glacial eruption, but they also mention that there have been no signs of a sub-glacial eruption (radar measurements of glacier surface show no changes, no change in meltwater flow at edge of glacier). Of course, all this could change in a few hours time. If and (most likely) when it erupts, the article should be updated at least 3-4 more sentences to describe the eruption (seismic activity, melting of glacier, impact) before being featured. Also the part of the blurb "and threatens to disrupt European aviation" is sensationalizing this subject too much. While I'm well aware of what the media has been discussing, there are many factors that determine whether a volcanic eruption impacts aviation over a very large area...primarily the composition of the ash that is released, which can't be determined until the volcano erupts. Volcanoes that significantly impact aviation are the exception, not the norm. It's like tropical cyclones (hurricanes/typhoons), just because one Category 5 hurricane or Supertyphoon hits a region, doesn't mean every other such storm will have the same impact! The Eyjafjallajökull volcano is fresh in everyone's mind, but that doesn't mean that this will turn out the same. A blurb can be added when it erupts stating that "The Bárðarbunga volcano erupts in Iceland". If and only if it significantly impacts aviation, should such a remark be made in the blurb. It's important to note that the North Atlantic region is also important to transatlantic flight flights as well as flights between North American and the Middle East. If the ash remains over the ocean, then "Iceland's Bárðarbunga volcano erupts, disrupting transatlantic aviation" would be more appropriate. AHeneen (talk) 12:22, 24 August 2014 (UTC) Iceland lowers volcano warning after quakes, no sign of eruption. –HTD 15:35, 24 August 2014 (UTC) Good news, my trip may still be on! The Rambling Man (talk) 17:23, 24 August 2014 (UTC) Oppose- I've heard of posting natural disasters, but never a blurb about how there might be a natural disaster in the future. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 01:03, 25 August 2014 (UTC) Agree! AHeneen (talk) 17:05, 25 August 2014 (UTC) Oppose — Per Bzweebl. Sca (talk) 14:40, 25 August 2014 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. August 22 Portal:Current events/2014 August 22 August 22, 2014 (2014-08-22) (Friday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian Civil War The United Nations estimates that the death toll in Syria has doubled to at least 191,000 in the past year. (Bloomberg via Business Week) 2014 Israel-Gaza conflict At least 18 people are executed in public by Hamas after being accused of "collaborating" with Israel. Al Majd, a Hamas website, warns that future suspects will be dealt with "in the field" rather than the courts. (AP),(NY Times) A 4-year-old boy is killed in a mortar attack on a southern Israeli village near the Gaza border; Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu vows that military operations will "intensify" because of his death. The IDF claims the mortar was fired from a school used as a shelter by Hamas. (BBC)(Times of Israel) War in Donbass: Russian aid convoys enter eastern Ukraine without permission from the Ukrainian government, sparking condemnation from the US, the EU, and NATO, and prompting the UN to hold an emergency meeting to discuss the action. No other country sent humanitarian aid to the region. (BBC) Iraqi insurgency (2011–present): A suicide bomber and multiple gunmen, suspected to be Shia militiamen, attack a Sunni mosque in the Diyala province, killing at least 65 people. (BBC) Disasters and accidents The death toll from landslides in Japan's Hiroshima prefecture rises to 39 with 26 missing. (Boston.com) (Bloomberg) Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 The bodies and ashes of twenty Malaysian victims who died when the flight was shot down over Ukraine in July have been returned to Kuala Lumpur. (AP) 44 people are killed and 41 injured after two buses crash in the south of Egypt's Sinai Peninsula. (Al-Ahram)(RT) (BBC) Law and crime The murder conviction of David Eastman for allegedly killing former Australian Federal Police Assistant Commissioner Colin Winchester is quashed after Eastman has served a 19-year prison sentence. (Brisbane Times) RD: U. R. Ananthamurthy Article: U. R. Ananthamurthy (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): Veteran Kannada writer Anantha Murthy passes away Credits: Nominated by Rabbabodrool (talk · give credit) Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD. --Rabbabodrool (talk) 20:19, 22 August 2014 (UTC) Nominator's comment: Very notable Indian writer of Kannada language, who won many prestigious awards. Rabbabodrool (talk) 20:21, 22 August 2014 (UTC) Support- Unanimously recognized as one of the greatest, if not the greatest Kannadiga writer of all time, so meets DC2. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 21:24, 22 August 2014 (UTC) Conditional Support since he's clearly at the top of his field; the article needs work. Challenger l (talk) 22:27, 22 August 2014 (UTC) Support on notability but the article needs work. Neljack (talk) 22:44, 22 August 2014 (UTC) Support. RD has a poor track record documenting these sorts of notable individuals, as opposed to Hollywood celebrities. Gamaliel (talk) 17:56, 23 August 2014 (UTC) Note: Article needs only a small amount of work, the "Literary Works" Section needs some additional references; once that is done you can consider this my full support. However, I cannot support this until after this is done. Once it is done, there's no need to wait for me to vote again; doing it instantly changes my opinion to support. --Jayron32 19:41, 23 August 2014 (UTC) Oppose articles has several paragraphs entirely unreferenced, including ones in the Career section, Literary works section, Personal life (which is written in mixed tenses) and Controversies section. As his bibliography contains no way of verifying it (e.g. links to articles, ISBN numbers etc), I'd prefer to see some references there as well. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:08, 24 August 2014 (UTC) The references have been updated. I think it is now fit to be shown in the recent deaths section. Rabbabodrool (talk) 20:35, 25 August 2014 (UTC) It is still tagged (correctly) with a {{ref improve}} notice. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:31, 26 August 2014 (UTC) How about now? Rabbabodrool (talk) 17:47, 27 August 2014 (UTC) I'm cool with it, there are references that need to be tidied up but it's much better than it was. So I've struck my opposition. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:50, 27 August 2014 (UTC) Remove ongoing events Answers below. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:11, 23 August 2014 (UTC) The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Several of these ongoings are much less 'in the news' than they once were and I think deserve review, particularly as another major event is dominating news coverage. I'll present three of the 4 items currently which could be considered. I think the Gaza conflict should clearly remain.--Johnsemlak (talk) 15:00, 22 August 2014 (UTC) Libyan conflict Removed per consensus. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:11, 23 August 2014 (UTC) The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Support removal. Hasn't received any major headlines for a while now.--Johnsemlak (talk) 15:00, 22 August 2014 (UTC) Support removal Agree with Johnsemlak, haven't seen much in the way of new news recently. CaptRik (talk) 15:09, 22 August 2014 (UTC) Support removal. Faded completely out of the news. Abductive (reasoning) 15:14, 22 August 2014 (UTC) Support removal As others have said, this conflict hasn't been in the news for a while. Should be replaced with Northern Iraq offensive (August 2014), which is making the news almost daily...see the discussion below. AHeneen (talk) 15:45, 22 August 2014 (UTC) Removing. It makes sense to replace it with an ISIS item. --Tone 16:00, 22 August 2014 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Ebola outbreak Kept per no consensus to remove. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:11, 23 August 2014 (UTC) The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Neutral I'm leaning support for removal. There is still some ongoing events here so I'm not sure. The US coverage has been dominated by the two doctors who came back infected with the disease who are now released. I'd like to see some other opinions on this one.--Johnsemlak (talk) 15:00, 22 August 2014 (UTC) Oppose removal There is still a major outbreak going on and it's only getting worse. I still see daily stories in UK news about the countries involved, ranging from deaths to security forces imposing quarantines. CaptRik (talk) 15:09, 22 August 2014 (UTC) Oppose removal. Machine-gunning a neighborhood to enforce a quarantine is, well, rather newsworthy. Abductive (reasoning) 15:12, 22 August 2014 (UTC) Strong oppose The outbreak is continuing to get worse! This will remain an ongoing event for several more weeks (at least). AHeneen (talk) 15:45, 22 August 2014 (UTC) To add to my comment, this is from one of the BBC's website's "Other top stories" right now: "The World Health Organization has said the speed and extent of the Ebola outbreak in West Africa is 'unprecedented'...Speaking at a news conference in the Liberian capital Monrovia, Dr Fukuda said combating the disease would take 'several months of hard work'." AHeneen (talk) 00:26, 23 August 2014 (UTC) Oppose. Far from being contained or under control, the documented cases in Liberia are growing at a rate of about 4.5% / day. This isn't likely to go away anytime soon. Dragons flight (talk) 19:39, 22 August 2014 (UTC) Oppose- The biggest ongoing story in the world. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 21:22, 22 August 2014 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Ukrainian unrest Kept per no consensus to remove. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:11, 23 August 2014 (UTC) The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Neutral. The Ukrainian conflict is still a news item but has receded in significance compared with events in Gaza and Iraq and Syria.--Johnsemlak (talk) 15:00, 22 August 2014 (UTC) Oppose removal As there is new stories as of today (the Russian convoy has supposedly entered the Ukraine illegaly). I think there's more major news to come. CaptRik (talk) 15:09, 22 August 2014 (UTC) Oppose removal. Battles ongoing. Abductive (reasoning) 15:14, 22 August 2014 (UTC) Oppose removal Fighting continues and the Ukrainian forces are closing in on the final rebel strongholds. While there is less in the news, this will continue to be a news-making topic as the rebels lose ground. AHeneen (talk) 15:45, 22 August 2014 (UTC) Change blurb – "Ukrainian conflict" is a much more appropriate blurb than "Ukrainian unrest". Note that the article links to Timeline of the war in Donbass. RGloucester — ☎ 16:27, 22 August 2014 (UTC) Oppose- There are continuing major stories from this conflict. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 21:22, 22 August 2014 (UTC) Oppose removal The conflict is coming to a head right now, is rightfully all over the news. Thue (talk) 16:36, 23 August 2014 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. August 21 Portal:Current events/2014 August 21 August 21, 2014 (2014-08-21) (Thursday) edit history watch Armed conflict and attacks 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict Israeli airstrikes kill three senior military commanders of Hamas. (AP) A senior Hamas official speaking in Turkey praises the Al-Qassam Brigades for the abduction and murder of three Israeli teenagers. In response an Israeli NGO calls on the United States Attorney General to force Turkey to extradite the official as one of the teenagers was an American citizen. (Israel National News) Syrian civil war: The Syrian opposition accuses the Syrian army of launching a chemical attack on the Jobar neighborhood of Damascus, killing at least six people. (Arabnews) Disasters and accidents A Bell 206 helicopter carrying 5 Guatemalan Military officers crashes in Huehuetenango department, killing all on board. (Reuters) 36 people are killed by landslides in Hiroshima, Japan, after a night of heavy rain. (Reuters) International relations The governments of Romania and Hungary sign a framework agreement for opening 20 cross-border roads, strengthening traffic links with the entire European Union. (Nine O'Clock) Law and crime The Ministry of Justice Investigation Bureau in Taiwan is investigating former deputy minister Chang Hsien-yao of the Mainland Affairs Council on suspicions of treason for allegedly leaking classified information to China. (Taipei Times) Politics and elections Brazilian presidential election, 2014 The internationally-acclaimed environmental campaigner Marina Silva replaces Eduardo Campos, who died in a plane crash on August 13, as the presidential candidate of the Brazilian Socialist Party, with polls suggesting she could surpass Aecio Neves in the first round and current president Dilma Rousseff in the second. (BBC) Slovenian parliamentary election, 2014 The outgoing prime minister Alenka Bratušek and her alliance is barred from entering the new government due to "ethical concerns", notably her self-nomination as the country's EU commissioner, a decision currently being investigated by the Commission for the Prevention of Corruption. (Slovenia Times) 2014 Thai coup d'état The National Assembly of Thailand elects coup leader General Prayuth Chan-ocha as Prime Minister. (Sky News Australia) The Turkish Justice and Development Party chooses foreign minister Ahmet Davutoğlu as its leader meaning that he will become the new Prime Minister. (New York Times) RD: Steven R. Nagel Article: Steven R. Nagel (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): New York Daily News Credits: Nominated by Jinkinson (talk · give credit) Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Was in Air Force and later NASA, logged 13000+ hours at both institutions, was mission commander on two missions at NASA. Whether this makes him "top of his field" is less clear, though. --Jinkinson talk to me 02:21, 24 August 2014 (UTC) He had a good career (four Shuttle missions), but I'm not seeing what makes him a very important astronaut. --Bongwarrior (talk) 03:49, 24 August 2014 (UTC) Oppose, article in a very poor state and like Bongwarrior, what made him a significant astronaut? Was he the first to do achieve something significant? The Rambling Man (talk) 07:03, 24 August 2014 (UTC) Oppose. Just being an astronaut, even mission commander on two missions, in and of itself is not significant enough to be listed. Now, those who walked on the moon, them I'd support for posting. Rhodesisland (talk) 08:10, 24 August 2014 (UTC) Oppose. Do not see how he meets the RD criteria. 331dot (talk) 11:05, 24 August 2014 (UTC) Oppose. I understand the motive for posting it (I think) but he really doesn't meet the bar for RD. Challenger l (talk) 16:38, 24 August 2014 (UTC) Trees identified as a source of lethal cryptococcus Article: Cryptococcus gattii (talk · history · tag) Blurb: ​ Cryptococcus gattii, a cause of cryptococcosis in the western United States, is traced to three species of trees. (Post) Alternative blurb: ​ The environmental source of Cryptococcus gattii, a cause of deaths from opportunistic infection in AIDS, is identified by a 13-year-old girl's science project. Three species of trees in California are identified as a source of Cryptococcus gattii, a cause of deaths by opportunistic infection in AIDS. News source(s): PLOS pathogens, Eurekalert Credits: Updated and nominated by Wnt (talk · give credit) Article updatedNominator's comments: Nearly 1 million infections with cryptococcus occur annually, most but not all in AIDS patients. Most of these are not identified to the species level, so although C. gattii is known as a potential cause it is not known how many are actually due to it, but the burden is likely to be very substantial. Identifying this source gives people with HIV an immediate action they can perform today (cutting down one of three specific kinds of tree) that could improve their quality of life or prolong life. Misplaced Pages should help to get the word out. --Wnt (talk) 18:43, 22 August 2014 (UTC) Weak oppose due to the blurb. According to the source cited by cryptococcus gattii, the Eurekalert article, the girl's discovery was under the direction of two professional scientists, so without a more detailed source I'm reluctant to attribute a major scientific breakthrough to a teenager, however cool that idea may be. See this incident for a reason to tread cautiously when attributing credit for such things. Gamaliel (talk) 20:22, 22 August 2014 (UTC) Gamaliel I'm willing to withdraw the alternate if you think it's a problem, though it appears well recognized she had a role - she is listed as an author on the paper. What do you think of non-alternate blurb? Or a mixture of the two omitting the girl? Wnt (talk) 00:04, 23 August 2014 (UTC) Support' in light of your comments and the fact that she's included as an author on the scientific paper. We can quibble about the exact wording if this gets more support, but I no longer oppose mentioning her either. Gamaliel (talk) 16:05, 23 August 2014 (UTC) Oppose. Given that the fungus also occurs in Papua New Guinea, it is impossible that these three California tree species are the only reservoirs. Much more likely is that a fungus that can infect koalas and dolphins and humans can also infect many species of trees. Furthermore, consensus on ITN is to discount accomplishments of youths. I'm not trying to say that this girl didn't accomplish something cool, but that it is only cool because of her age. If she was an adult scientist her accomplishment would be completely unremarkable. Abductive (reasoning) 15:06, 23 August 2014 (UTC) @Abductive: I looked this over, and I really don't see a claim that the three species are the only source of Cryptococcus worldwide. I could rephrase it, but I don't know if you would interpret any variation (like putting "In California,..." first in the alternate) differently. And I struck out the version mentioning the girl half a day before your comment, so it shouldn't be an issue. Wnt (talk) 18:14, 23 August 2014 (UTC) If they are not the only source, and with the age of the discoverer unimportant, how is this different from the thousands of findings published daily in scientific journals? Abductive (reasoning) 19:26, 23 August 2014 (UTC) @Abductive: Infection with C. gattii is a known regional hazard of travel or residence in the western United States, even (rarely) for those who are not immunocompromised in any known way. Tracking down the source of the spores to certain kinds of trees allows people to understand the risk and at least partially to reduce it. The notion that trees can serve as a vector (epidemiology) for a pathogen that infects humans is unfamiliar and informative. My hope, quite frankly, is that if more people see this story, there will be somebody somewhere in California who looks twice at, say, a tree that is growing in a hospital courtyard, and ends up taking action that saves the lives of one or more AIDS or bone marrow transplant patients. Wnt (talk) 20:58, 23 August 2014 (UTC) I am unconvinced that this is an interesting enough scientific result for ITN. Abductive (reasoning) 22:41, 23 August 2014 (UTC) I can't believe that news with this potential to help save lives can't compete with a now twelve day old story about a comedian dying. Are you kidding me? Wnt (talk) 01:31, 24 August 2014 (UTC) Respectfully, your criticism is better directed at those responsible for reporting news. —David Levy 03:03, 24 August 2014 (UTC) @David Levy: I don't understand that statement. There's been plenty of news. ITN isn't required to mirror all the stories in the news in proportion to their appearance in any particular kind of mainstream publication, and in practice it certainly doesn't -- it just departs from the mainstream practice in the wrong direction, with even more bleeding leading than in the papers, and even less science. Wnt (talk) 03:16, 24 August 2014 (UTC) This idea of the trees being in hospital courtyards or whatever and being removed to save lives is WP:CRYSTALBALL-gazing. If anybody here likes, I can delve into the recent scientific literature and find plenty of examples of findings that will save lives. Abductive (reasoning) 03:40, 24 August 2014 (UTC) Here is a Google News search for "Cryptococcus gattii" or "C. gattii". I won't bother linking to one related to Robin Williams, as I don't assert that anything approaching parity is required for us to include something in ITN. I simply disagree that "there's been plenty of news" on this subject. —David Levy 04:12, 24 August 2014 (UTC) Weak Oppose that the discovery doesn't seem super-ground breaking as described by Abductive above. However, is there anything we can say if this is the youngest published author of a peer-reviewed paper (which is the only thing that really makes this ITN worthy?) And even with that, that's hard to push pass ITN. (Additionally, does this mean M. Night was right???) --MASEM (t) 19:37, 23 August 2014 (UTC) Emily Rosa was 9 11, and I don't think she's the absolute youngest co-author of a peer reviewed paper. Being included as an author at 13 is remarkable, but probably not ITN worthy. Dragons flight (talk) 19:48, 23 August 2014 (UTC) @Masem: I'm sorry I ever mentioned the girl. I thought it would make a cute human-interest angle, since that's how the news sources treated it. The story is important anyway, simply because you don't think of catching an infection from a tree (see above). Wnt (talk) 20:58, 23 August 2014 (UTC) Wnt: While I commend your effort to "help to get the word out", I can't support the nomination. ITN is intended to function as a gateway to Misplaced Pages articles related to topics "in the news". The Cryptococcus gattii story has received very little media coverage, and it isn't our place to intervene on that front. Have you considered contributing to Wikinews? —David Levy 03:03, 24 August 2014 (UTC) Oppose Doesn't seem to meet the criteria and isn't a significantly 'newsworthy' piece of news. (This is my first time doing one of these, I hope I did it right!) Indonesian election: Constitutional Court judgement No consensus to post. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:01, 24 August 2014 (UTC) The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Article: Indonesian presidential election, 2014 (talk · history · tag) Blurb: ​ The Constitutional Court of Indonesia rejects Prabowo Subianto's appeal against the result of July's presidential election. (Post) News source(s): BBC Credits: Updated and nominated by LukeSurl (talk · give credit) Article updatedNominator's comments: A blurb regarding the presidential election was posted on 22 July. However Indonesia is a big, important country and a confirmation of an important election result is fairly big news. --LukeSurl 20:18, 21 August 2014 (UTC) Oppose: Had the appeal gone through and the election results be overturned, then it might be a significant news story. But an unsuccessful appeal is not. 174.114.142.10 (talk) 22:39, 21 August 2014 (UTC) Oppose 174 said it all. If the results had been rejected, that would have been news, but as it is nothing's changed. Redverton (talk) 23:02, 21 August 2014 (UTC) Oppose Agreed on above points; if it was a challenge close to Gore vs Bush, where the exact count in a few selected districts decided the vote , that might be different, but this was a claim of voter fraud on a 6% margin, which to me sounds like a sore loser. --MASEM (t) 23:15, 21 August 2014 (UTC) Oppose - I have only one addendum to Masem's comment: Prabowo is a sore loser. Hell, even his running mate's distanced himself from the former general. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:52, 22 August 2014 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Bank of America settlement Article: Bank of America (talk · history · tag) Blurb: ​ Bank of America agrees to pay more than $16 billion for the sale of mortgage-backed securities before the Great Recession. (Post) Alternative blurb: ​ Bank of America agrees to pay more than $16 billion for the sale of risky mortgage-backed securities before the Great Recession. News source(s): Al Jazeera America, New York Times, USA Today, BBC Credits: Nominated by Seattle (talk · give credit) Article updatedNominator's comments: USA Today: "the settlement the largest in history between the federal government and a single company"; Al Jazeera America: "the settlement is by far the largest deal the Justice Department has reached with a bank over the 2008 mortgage meltdown"; The New York Times calls it a "landmark settlement" and "the most sweeping federal investigation into the sale of troubled mortgages by a Wall Street bank since the 2008 financial crisis" --Seattle (talk) 16:12, 21 August 2014 (UTC) Support breaking news and top headline in my world, and article is decent. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:59, 21 August 2014 (UTC) Weak support. This is getting good coverage and seems to be a large settlement, though BofA can write off most of it as tax deductible and use accounting tricks to reduce its impact to them. 331dot (talk) 20:10, 21 August 2014 (UTC) At present there isn't much more detail in the Bank of America article about this story that isn't contained in the one-sentence blurb. Support when this is expanded to at least a paragraph. --LukeSurl 20:22, 21 August 2014 (UTC) I've expanded the section on the settlement; how's that? Seattle (talk) 22:08, 21 August 2014 (UTC) Yes, that looks good. --LukeSurl 12:48, 22 August 2014 (UTC) Support with update to blurb indicating its significance (i.e. the largest settlement in history). 174.114.142.10 (talk) 22:35, 21 August 2014 (UTC) Support - major bank. Lots of money involved.--FutureTrillionaire (talk) 22:54, 21 August 2014 (UTC) Support pending article improvements. --MASEM (t) 23:15, 21 August 2014 (UTC) Support, see my slight alteration of the blurb. Abductive (reasoning) 03:19, 22 August 2014 (UTC) Support original blurb only - modified blurb is unnecessary editorialising. On a similar vein I am uncomfortable with the 2008 financial crisis being labelled "the Great Recession" based solely on past current affairs coverage. However, we seem only to have posted US fines and settlements against foreign banks in the past. That and the sheer size of this settlement make this worthy of posting. 3142 (talk) 05:37, 22 August 2014 (UTC) It's not editorializing. The way the blurb is written, it makes it seem as if "mortgage-backed securities" are illegal. Needs an adverb. I agree that mentioning the Great Recession is discomforting. Perhaps subprime mortgage crisis would be better? Abductive (reasoning) 06:49, 22 August 2014 (UTC) It is making a judgement which is editorialising. How risky is risky? If I put my cash under the mattress is that risky? If I put it in a cash account at a high street bank is that risk. Neither alternative is perfectly safe so both are risky to one extent or another. Similarly the sale of even high-risk mortgage-backed securities is not in itself illegal - if the investor finds the risk profile acceptable that is perfectly OK, so based on your interpretation both blurbs are factually incorrect and as such I've marked this attention needed. BoA have not been fined for selling anything - they have been fined for misrepresentations made selling those securities or over those sales. 3142 (talk) 16:51, 26 August 2014 (UTC) Support alternative blurb. Great, somebody noticed. -SusanLesch (talk) 14:14, 22 August 2014 (UTC) Support Altblurb - article in good shape, major financial news. Challenger l (talk) 16:45, 22 August 2014 (UTC) Posted The Rambling Man (talk) 13:37, 23 August 2014 (UTC) RD: Albert Reynolds Article: Albert Reynolds (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): BBC, Irish Independent Credits: Nominated by Belle (talk · give credit) Article needs updating Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Former Taoiseach who had a key role in advancing the Northern Ireland peace process, article needs a bit of referencing before posting --Belle (talk) 07:33, 21 August 2014 (UTC) Support, very notable politician and Irish figure. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:35, 21 August 2014 (UTC) Oppose on woeful referencing, support on notability for RD. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:46, 21 August 2014 (UTC) Support subject to referencing issues being addressed, but worth a blurb IMHO. Mjroots (talk) 09:29, 21 August 2014 (UTC) Support pivotal figure in the NI peace process. I would probably have supported a full blurb but for the fact the most notable tribute I've seen so far is from John Major. That is not to be disparaging to either individual but he not really a political heavyweight today. 3142 (talk) 05:48, 22 August 2014 (UTC) Joe Biden, Bill Clinton, Martin McGuinness, (link) David Cameron, Enda Kenny, Gerry Adams (link) John Hume, Michael D. Higgins, Liam Cosgrave, Mary McAleese, European Commissioner Máire Geoghegan-Quinn (link) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.44.251.244 (talk) 13:13, 22 August 2014 (UTC) Support RD subject to the referencing being fixed up. Didn't have have the level of global impact and stature to warrant a blurb, IMO. Neljack (talk) 05:57, 22 August 2014 (UTC) Oppose The article really needs proper citations from reliable sources - a lot of it seems completely without them. Definitely notable enough. Challenger l (talk) 16:48, 22 August 2014 (UTC) RD: Jean Redpath Article: Jean Redpath (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-28890309 Credits: Nominated by Ihcoyc (talk · give credit) Updated by Angr (talk · give credit) and Egghead06 (talk · give credit) Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Highly significant figure in Scottish folk music, known worldwide, 30+ year recording career. --Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 04:32, 24 August 2014 (UTC) Oppose almost unreferenced article with no indication of how she meets the RD criteria besides being "known" and having a "long career". The Rambling Man (talk) 07:00, 24 August 2014 (UTC) Oppose. Barely referenced, not seeing her as notable in her field at all. Challenger l (talk) 16:42, 24 August 2014 (UTC) Oppose per TRM. The article itself should give an indication how the person in question meets any of the three DC. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 07:28, 25 August 2014 (UTC) August 20 Portal:Current events/2014 August 20 August 20, 2014 (2014-08-20) (Wednesday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict In response to rocket fire six hours before the end of a cease-fire, Israeli airstrikes kill 11 Palestinians including the wife and infant son of Hamas military leader Mohammed Deif - the first deaths in a week - while Hamas launches over 130 missiles at Israel during the day. This is the 11th cease-fire broken by rocket fire from Hamas. (BBC), (AP via Fox News) (Reuters) War in Donbass Dozens of people die in heavy fighting between Ukrainian government forces and rebels in eastern Ukraine. (AFP via Arab News) Business and economy Glencore announces a share buyback program returning $1 billion to its investors, while reporting above-expectations first-half profit. (Reuters) Disasters At least 27 people have been pronounced dead after landslides in Japan's Hiroshima prefecture with another ten missing. (BBC), (CNN) International relations IAEA reports that Iran is continuing to meet its commitments under the interim accord that it reached with the P5+1. (Reuters) Science and technology A new species of tarsier is discovered in Dinagat, Philippines. (National Geographic) Sports Seventeen past and present players with the Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks National Rugby League team have been issued with doping show-cause notices after participating in a controversial supplements program in 2011. (AAP via Sports Fan) James Foley Article: James Foley (photojournalist) (talk · history · tag) Blurb: ​ Islamic State release a video showing the beheading of photojournalist James Foley (Post) News source(s): BBC Credits: Nominated by LukeSurl (talk · give credit) Nominator's comments: Top story on in all the sites I visit. The James Foley (photojournalist) article is fairly sparse, but has the central details about his death. --LukeSurl 15:43, 20 August 2014 (UTC) Oppose, or switch target to the ISIS issue as to prep that for going to ongoing. ISIS has killed a number of people already, yes, killing a foreigner press agent is definitely going to draw attention, signalling out the journalist alone is not good. But per the request to consider an ongoing, this might be a good blurb to have and then when it runs out, the ISIS can drop to ongoing. --MASEM (t) 15:53, 20 August 2014 (UTC) Oppose and consider going for the Ongoing (as Masem has suggested). Many dozens of people have been executed on video, this isn't too different. Tragic, yes, singularly notable, no. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:59, 20 August 2014 (UTC) came here to see it wasn't there, went to the article and then returned here. He is notable and in the news for his death, but bloomberg reported on his front page about an hour ago that the verification process is still ongoingLihaas (talk) 16:16, 20 August 2014 (UTC) Support - Notable, and a world news story. Definitely for ITN.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:34, 20 August 2014 (UTC) Oppose, but proceed as Masem suggests; as the person who started that article I briefly considered nominating it but I eventually came to the same position that TRM has above. 331dot (talk) 22:17, 20 August 2014 (UTC) Support. As of right now, there is no ISIS Ongoing item, and lacking that I think this event stands out in its own right well enough to warrant a blurb. Votes opposing this for the reason of an non-existent Ongoing entry should be ignored.128.214.53.104 (talk) 05:15, 21 August 2014 (UTC) Oppose is it not covered by ongoing conflict section? Legaleagle86 (talk) 09:17, 21 August 2014 (UTC) There is not Ongoing item for this on the front page, no.128.214.53.104 (talk) 09:27, 21 August 2014 (UTC) The article has been improved significantly since the nomination. While Iraq may warrant an ongoing item, this article focuses on a single incident in that conflict, that has undoubtedly been headline news. Many news stories fit into ongoing events, and if we ignore all of them we risk making ITN a very slow and out-of-date entity (case in point, the most recent blurb on ITN at the moment refers to an event that ended on 14th August). The way the blurb is constructed allows the reader to click on the bold link for an article about the specific incident, and the other link for a wider perspective on IS. At the moment, we have a decent article about a major news story that we are not presenting on the main page due to hang-ups over ITN process. --LukeSurl 11:22, 21 August 2014 (UTC) No, this is a case of media bias. Numerous others have died , but by giving weight to a western journalist, that shows our bias. The overall ISIS issue is a story, this is a tiny element of it. --MASEM (t) 14:52, 21 August 2014 (UTC) Oppose. ISIS would just love this headline. They don't deserve it. R.I.P. -SusanLesch (talk) 14:43, 21 August 2014 (UTC) Opppose per User:SusanLesch and in accordance with damnatio memoriae. μηδείς (talk) 18:12, 21 August 2014 (UTC) support its clearly all over the news. the article should probably be Death of James Foley, btw Also ITN doesn't make judgement calls about deserving of publicity it reports what is in the news not personal sympathies. (and quality of update)Lihaas (talk) 11:24, 23 August 2014 (UTC) Lihaas, you are right. I agree personal sympathies entered into my not-vote. But opposes are still overwhelming supports for all kinds of other reasons. -SusanLesch (talk) 21:46, 26 August 2014 (UTC) Oppose. per The Rambling Man. Rhodesisland (talk) 10:57, 25 August 2014 (UTC) Comment. I've edited this article, but I still don't actually understand what makes this beheading so newsworthy. I know it was the first American beheaded by "ISIL/ISIS", but as our article on that group explains, that group is simply the successor to the same folks who have been sending us thoughtful messages like this since 2003. I wish the hook could make the significance clearer. Wnt (talk) 01:00, 27 August 2014 (UTC) ISIS/Iraq/Syria - ongoing The ongoing line on the main page is currently "Ongoing: Ebola outbreak – Gaza conflict – Libyan conflict – Ukrainian unrest". The entry for Libya seems odd as I'm seeing a lot more coverage of ISIS and related developments in Iraq and Syria. Perhaps we should replace "Libyan conflict" with "Unrest in Iraq and Syria"? Andrew (talk) 11:34, 20 August 2014 (UTC) Care to suggest a target article which is being updated sufficiently to go on the Ongoing ticker? The Rambling Man (talk) 11:37, 20 August 2014 (UTC) The articles I linked to for Iraq and Syria were Iraqi insurgency (2011–present) and Syrian Civil War. Another possibility is Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant which seems involved in most of the recent coverage. Andrew (talk) 11:51, 20 August 2014 (UTC) Couldn't feature Iraqi insurgency (2011–present) as it has a maintenance tag at the top. Syrian Civil War is reasonably well updated but far too large, it needs splitting. Although not tagged, Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant is also far too large, but reasonably well updated. I wouldn't object to the latter pair being individually linked in preference to the Libya link. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:38, 20 August 2014 (UTC) Strong support for some sort of ITN entry regarding the SS-style atrocities of "IS" reported repeatedly by major media. The most logical target article would seem to be Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. (Suggest that "Islamic State" should always be in quotation marks, since it is recognized as a 'state' by no other state.) Sca (talk) 15:11, 20 August 2014 (UTC) If you feel strongly about the quotation marks, I suggest you started a move request as the article does not "quote mark" Islamic State, so neither would we, before you take it to ERRORS. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:06, 20 August 2014 (UTC) Just a suggestion. Sca (talk) 16:29, 20 August 2014 (UTC) How about 2014 American intervention in Iraq as the target, since the reason this possibly ongoing is the escalation started by the US airstrikes? --MASEM (t) 22:20, 20 August 2014 (UTC) But 'IS' is the perp. Sca (talk) 23:52, 20 August 2014 (UTC) Would like to see an RS saying that... GoldenRing (talk) 00:09, 21 August 2014 (UTC) I guess what I'm saying is that until the US got involved, what ISIS was doing was news but neither blurb or ongoing. Now that the US is involved, which has increased the ISIS insurgency, that might be a more narrower topic. --MASEM (t) 00:13, 21 August 2014 (UTC) Support The horrors going on here are definitely ITN-worthy. GoldenRing (talk) 00:09, 21 August 2014 (UTC)Stricken in favour of updated support below. Oppose and Suggestion - There is no room for every major ongoing armed conflict. Just replace the conflict items with something like "armed conflicts" and link it to List of ongoing armed conflicts.--FutureTrillionaire (talk) 00:39, 21 August 2014 (UTC) Support for Ongoing. While there are a number of armed conflicts at any time, I think we should be able to use our judgement about which are more or less news- and encyclopedic-worthy. The Libyan conflict is not over, but the ISIS conflict is getting more press from my vantage point.128.214.53.104 (talk) 05:20, 21 August 2014 (UTC) Support - This is a major armed conflict that has expanded significantly in the past month. I believe the most precise article for the conflict that is making the news is Northern Iraq offensive (August 2014). Although short, it's not a stub, & has no problem templates.AHeneen (talk) 05:30, 21 August 2014 (UTC) This is a much better target article than my suggestion. --MASEM (t) 23:17, 21 August 2014 (UTC) Actualités et événements — 19 août: le journaliste américain James Foley est décapité par l'État islamique. — French Wiki's version of ITN Sca (talk) 14:50, 21 August 2014 (UTC) LOL the French have the events in Missouri in their ITN. Same with the German version. LOLOLOL. –HTD 15:40, 21 August 2014 (UTC) Yes, extremely funny, Howard, très amusant. Glad you're enjoying this world in which we're living. Sca (talk) 16:55, 21 August 2014 (UTC) Support -- Ypnypn (talk) 16:36, 21 August 2014 (UTC) Support. --Johnsemlak (talk) 18:12, 23 August 2014 (UTC) NOTE FROM ADMIN: I'm ready to post this on the supports, but I don't have an article. What quality, well referenced, and relatively complete Misplaced Pages article are we highlighting here? --Jayron32 19:44, 23 August 2014 (UTC) Northern Iraq offensive (August 2014) is a possibility. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 02:56, 24 August 2014 (UTC) The problem is that there's no one article to describe the main conflict that's dominating the news...the offensive/expansion being carried out by ISIL in both Iraq & Syria. The ISIL article is written about the group with a timeline of events (which spans a decade). Meanwhile, there are two separate articles about ISIL's recent expansion: Northern Iraq offensive (June 2014) & 2014 Eastern Syria offensive. The fighting in Iraq has gotten the most attention, so if only one article could be used, then Northern Iraq offensive (June 2014) is it. However, I'll throw this suggestion out to discuss: how about listing more than one article as the same item (between hyphens/dashes)? ISIL expansion (Iraq/Syria) Islamic State expansion (Iraq/Syria) Islamic State offensives in Iraq & Syria ISIL offensives in Iraq & Syria Islamic State (Iraq/Syria) Islamic State insurgency (Iraq/Syria) There are several alternatives. Namely should the name be reduced to an acronym for brevity (as shown) and then what the name of the organization should be, which has been much-debated with no consensus. For purposes of ITN, it's ISIL (name of the page) vs IS (Islamic State, official name). ISIS can be ruled out as a former name. Any precedence for this suggestion or willingness to change the rules? I--personally--am not really interested in debating the merits of multiple links in one listing...others can go about doing that...I'm just throwing this possible compromise out there for discussion. AHeneen (talk) 21:00, 24 August 2014 (UTC) Support option 6 above. Comment- There's still nothing wrong with simply Northern Iraq offensive (August 2014). That is a lot better than option 6, which is just an article about one of the involved groups, or any of the other options proposed. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 07:26, 25 August 2014 (UTC) Comment — Option 6 reverts to Islamic State of Iraq and Levant, which by title seems the most logical target article. However, said article has grown to a grossly bloated 15,000 words — clearly not something to inform the ITN blurb reader concisely. Support instead a blurb linking to Northern Iraq offensive (August 2014). PS: Updates —  • UN on Aug. 25 condemns 'IS' for "mass executions of prisoners that could amount to war crimes". Sca (talk) 14:24, 25 August 2014 (UTC)  • UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay says Aug. 25 "grave, horrific human rights violations are being committed daily" by 'IS' . Sca (talk) 15:48, 25 August 2014 (UTC) Per the above rough consensus, I have linked to the Northern Iraq offensive article, and provided my best attempt at a concise title for this link as "ISIL Iraq offensive" I hope this works for everyone. --Jayron32 10:41, 26 August 2014 (UTC) At least we finally have something out there, although Northern Iraq offensive (August 2014) isn't entirely current. Sca (talk) 14:00, 26 August 2014 (UTC) By all means fix it, or suggest a more appropriate target. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:33, 26 August 2014 (UTC) Easier said.... It doesn't even mention James Foley, who reportedly was murdered in Syria, not Iraq. Sca (talk) 22:21, 26 August 2014 (UTC) More 'IS' horrors in Syria. Sca (talk) 13:26, 27 August 2014 (UTC) Rather than post this sort of thing here (which is entirely inappropriate) try updating the article. Right now it's going to be pulled as it's not actually up to date. I have no idea why it was posted in this state. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:42, 27 August 2014 (UTC) RD: B. K. S. Iyengar Article: B. K. S. Iyengar (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): Yoga guru B. K. S. Iyengar passes away Credits: Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit) Article needs updating Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Iyengar is a yoga pioneer and very notable to have a RD blurb. He created Iyengar Yoga. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:35, 20 August 2014 (UTC) --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:35, 20 August 2014 (UTC) Support article isn't too bad, individual is certainly notable and was definitely top of his field. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:40, 20 August 2014 (UTC) Support Highly notable in his field. Been described as a legend by many sources Somchai Sun (talk) 07:50, 20 August 2014 (UTC) Support. But it would be great to see the death section expanded to include reactions to his death. Rhodesisland (talk) 08:40, 20 August 2014 (UTC) Support per others above. It Is Me Here 11:09, 20 August 2014 (UTC) Support per above.--Johnsemlak (talk) 14:20, 20 August 2014 (UTC) Support World-famous. The article looks pretty good. Challenger l (talk) 17:57, 20 August 2014 (UTC) Posted The Rambling Man (talk) 19:32, 20 August 2014 (UTC) Hiroshima landslides Article: 2014 Hiroshima landslides (talk · history · tag) Blurb: ​ At least 39 people are killed in a series of landslides in Hiroshima Prefecture, Japan. (Post) News source(s): BBC Credits: Nominated by The Rambling Man (talk · give credit) Article needs updatingNominator's comments: Many still unaccounted for. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:16, 20 August 2014 (UTC) Comment. But the article is just bare bones. Once some more meat is put on, I'll support. Rhodesisland (talk) 08:42, 20 August 2014 (UTC) Yes, that's why it says that it needs to be updated in the nomination. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:48, 20 August 2014 (UTC) I've updated with the latest statistics, but I'm struggling to find stories, written in English, that I can access from work containing more detail. CaptRik (talk) 11:53, 20 August 2014 (UTC) Just reinforcing the point. Rhodesisland (talk) 10:40, 20 August 2014 (UTC) Support When was the last time anything bad happened in Hiroshima? Lugnuts 06:38, 21 August 2014 (UTC) Support due to death toll and the article looks ok to me. Brandmeister 21:34, 21 August 2014 (UTC) Posted. Article is a bit shorter than I would prefer, but we've got to post something. --Bongwarrior (talk) 04:19, 22 August 2014 (UTC) References Nominators often include links to external websites and other references in discussions on this page. It is usually best to provide such links using the inline URL syntax rather than using <ref></ref> tags, because that keeps all the relevant information in the same place as the nomination without having to jump to this section, and facilitates the archiving process. For the times when <ref></ref> tags are being used, here are their contents: