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The discussion process is used for potentially controversial moves. If any of the following apply to a desired move, treat it as potentially controversial:

There is an existing article (not just a redirect) at the target title
There has been any past debate about the best title for the page
Someone could reasonably disagree with the move.

If a desired move is uncontroversial and technical in nature (e.g. spelling and capitalization), please feel free to move the page yourself. If the page has recently been moved without discussion, you may revert the move and initiate a discussion on its talk page. In either case, if you are unable to complete/revert the move, request it below.

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Uncontroversial technical requests

Flavobacteria → Flavobacteriia (move) (discuss) – Flavobacteriia is the correct spelling, see NCBI and LPSN – 128.114.234.78 (talk) 22:24, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

New Haven–Hartford–Springfield commuter rail line → Hartford Line (move) (discuss) – The current name is a placeholder, which is no longer needed after today's announcement of the new name. (Press release) – Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:06, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Contested technical requests

Requests to revert undiscussed moves

Song of Innocence (album) → Song of Innocence (move) (discuss) – Moved without discussion by Werldwayd, warrants discussion first as there is no other article/work/topic under the name "Song of Innocence" – Dan56 (talk) 22:18, 24 October 2014 (UTC) Dan56 (talk) 22:18, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Je ne sais pas pourquoi (Kylie Minogue song) → Je ne sais pas pourquoi (move) (discuss) – There is no competing title of the same name. The only other we have is Je ne sais pas pourquoi (Georges Beauchemin song), which is a redirect to I Don't Know Why (I Just Do) – George Ho (talk) 22:29, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Requests to restore capitalization which was removed before :: best discuss this lot here

This point is also being discussed at User talk:DagosNavy#Name changes of various articles.

Comment The issue here is whether or not these titles are proper nouns. Prima facie some of them are not so they should not be upper cased. Philg88 05:11, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

One cannot tell by just looking at article names. It is the content that describes specific/unique events being involved, not events in general. Hmains (talk) 03:04, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

How would you say we should handle an article about a specific, unique event, when that event is extensively covered in reliable sources, and all or most of the authors of those reliable sources seem to be comfortable writing about that event without referring to the event using a proper name? The authors of the reliable sources did not use a proper name in their writing. Should we give it a proper name? Hugh (talk) 05:42, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

I left a note at User talk:Anthony Appleyard#Proper names at RMTR to find out what he thinks. The best discussion so far of the underlying issue is at User talk:DagosNavy#Name changes of various articles. My own impression is (a) DagosNavy ought to slow down, (b) it's hard to agree with Hmains that there are really so many proper names. Would these all be upper-cased in running text? EdJohnston (talk) 16:52, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Editor was asked to slow down & discuss on 17 October 2014 at Talk:Chicago race riot of 1919. Hugh (talk) 17:57, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

True but the discussion there is not complete as user DagoNavy chose to remove comments he did not like. Hmains (talk) 03:16, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Many of the pages listed below are about riots. If you check Category:Riots and its subcats, you will see a lot of lower case, especially the word 'riot'. I didn't check for recent moves of any of these. EdJohnston (talk) 18:37, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

The Category:Riots itself is about types of riots so such articles and their content are correctly lower case. Proper names are those of specific/particular/unique persons, places or things (including events) so they are in the riots by country, etc., subcategories. Many of these are capitalized; some have never been capitalized (not everyone knows English rules); some are not capitalized due to user DagoNavy having started on lower casing spree in August 2014. This list I provided here is only back to Oct 1; there are many, many more that user DagoNavy did his thing on. Hmains (talk) 02:58, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Guideline WP:NCCAPS seems more on point here than MOS:NAMECAPS. Hugh (talk) 18:01, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Proper name is also a reference and has other reference links Hmains (talk) 03:04, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. Informative, but it's not guideline. Hugh (talk) 03:40, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

And Guideline WP:NCCAPS links to Proper name as the go to place to determine what is a proper name. It is not up to WP editors to determine what is a proper name. It is common English. Hmains (talk) 03:49, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Agreed, "It is not up to WP editors to determine what is a proper name." Now, "common English": what is that besides what one might find in reliable sources? Hugh (talk) 14:41, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Chicago race riot of 1919 → Chicago Race Riot of 1919 (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Lower-cased w/o discussion 15 October 2014‎ by

(Cross-posting from

To EdJohnston: yes they would upper cased in the article text as they are proper names and are thus capitalized everywhere. The article texts are currently lower case because user DagoNavy changed them to be so. Hmains (talk) 02:58, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

"...they are proper names and are thus capitalized everywhere." I checked the refs for Chicago race riot of 1919 and it is not capitalized everywhere. Hugh (talk) 03:40, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Comment 1st time in this forum here. My humble read of WP:NCCAPS is we should not be giving names to things, and that the way to justify using a proper noun in WP is to find the proper noun in the preponderance of RS. Checking this would be a lot of work for all these events. I looked at RS for one, Chicago Race Riot of 1919. This one could maybe go either way, but should probably be best treated as not a proper noun. Hugh (talk) 03:03, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

The first sentences in WP:NCCAPS are the only of relevance and they say always capitalize the words in a proper name. Hmains (talk) 03:20, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Right, always capitalize proper names. Now, how do we decide what has a proper name? Do reliable sources have a role? An event can be specific and not have a proper name. Hugh (talk) 03:40, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Camp Dump strike → Camp Dump Strike (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Greek Town riot → Greek Town Riot (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Honolulu Courthouse riot → Honolulu Courthouse Riot (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Englewood race riots of 1949 → Englewood Race Riots of 1949 (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

East St. Louis riot → East St. Louis Riot (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

May Day riots of 1894 → May Day Riots of 1894 (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Illinois coal wars → Illinois Coal Wars (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Lager beer riot → Lager Beer Riot (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Typo in move request template? Should be Lager beer riot -> Lager Beer Riot. Hugh (talk) 17:20, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes, thanks for the correction. Hmains (talk) 02:58, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Corrected as requested. Hmains (talk) 19:42, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Airport Homes race riots → Airport Homes Race Riots (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Typo in move request template? Should be Airport Homes race riots -> Airport Homes Race Riots. Hugh (talk) 17:13, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes, thank you for the correction. All this is not a nice task. Hmains (talk) 02:58, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

I pointed out the typos but I did not make the corrections because I am reluctant to edit your posts. I feel consensus may line up against these move requests but in the mean time you might consider correcting the templates for clarity. Hugh (talk) 16:56, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

I am correcting this one as requested Hmains (talk) 19:29, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Springfield race riot of 1908 → Springfield Race Riot of 1908 (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Cicero race riot of 1951 → Cicero Race Riot of 1951 (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Charleston riot → Charleston Riot (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Division Street riots → Division Street Riots (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Know-Nothing riot of 1856 → Know-Nothing Riot of 1856 (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

New York City Police riot → New York City Police Riot (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Lombard Street riot → Lombard Street Riot (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Philadelphia Election riot → Philadelphia Election Riot (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Know-Nothing riot → Know-Nothing Riot (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

May Day riots of 1919 → May Day Riots of 1919 (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Hough riots → Hough Riots (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Glenville shootout → Glenville Shootout (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Sparks Middle School shooting → Sparks Middle School Shooting (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Alfortville Armenian Genocide Memorial bombings → Alfortville Armenian Genocide Memorial bombings (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Lordsburg killings → Lordsburg Killings (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Ruby murders → Ruby Murders (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Keddie murders → Keddie Murders (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Gwangju uprising → Gwangju Uprising (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Utuado uprising → Utuado Uprising (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Hemisphere project → Hemisphere Project (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Great Phenol plot → Great Phenol Plot (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Guillaume affair → Guillaume Affair (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Georgian affair → Georgian Affair (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Munsinger affair → Munsinger Affair (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

September dossier → September Dossier (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Iraq dossier → Iraq Dossier (move) (discuss) – un-discussed move made by editor who does not think a specific event should have a capitalized proper name unless he says so, based on criteria he himself created; in violation of MOS:NAMECAPS – Hmains (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)