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Statement of the dispute

Hipocrite and I are unable to resolve a disagreement regarding Hipocrite's treatment of a third editor, History21.

• Hipocrite argues that because History21 has allegedly been involved in hoax activity in the past, Hipocrite is justified in "blind reverting" all of History21's new contributions unless each statement is specifically sourced. In addition, Hipocrite has repeatedly accused History21 of hoax activity on a variety of talk pages and edit history.
• I argue that unless sanctioned by ArbCom, History21 is entitled to be treated with the same assumption of good faith as any other editor.

Description

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I don't mean this RFC as a criticism of Hipocrite -- we're just unable to resolve this disagreement, and I think some outside commentary would be helpful.

As background, Hipocrite has previously accused History21 of taking part in a series of hoaxes, primarily about the "Eire family." (See here).

As far as I can tell, no one has ever posted diffs explaining what History21 did that constitutes a hoax, and History21 denies being part of any hoax.

From the looks of the articles he created on this subject, History21 probably needs a little help with wiki policies on sourcing, but I can't see that he's engaged in any hoax. See, e.g., , .

Evidence of disputed behavior

1. Hipocrite reverts History21, citing his own hoax report as justification in the edit history.
2. Same.
3. Hipocrite admits that he has "blindly" reverted all of History21's changes, based on History21's alleged history of "mailicously and repeatedly" hoaxing wikipedia. ,
4. Hipocrite accuses History21 of a "substantial history of adding hoax information to the encyclopedia," without diffs or links.
5. Hipocrite accuses History21 of "obvious" and "clear" hoaxes in deleted pages, and adds an accusation of sockpuppetry, all without providing links or diffs for any accusation.

Applicable policies and guidelines

I'm not 100% sure which policies apply - it could be that I'm in the wrong here, but I would appeciate an outside opinion. Strong possibilities include:

1. WP:AGF - Hipocrite and Zoe have accused History21 of hoaxing. IMHO, notwithstanding that allegation, AGF requires Hipocrite (1) to treat History21's new edits just like anyone else's, and (2) not to throw around accusations like his statement that History21 "malicously and repeatedly" hoaxed wikipedia. I'm particularly troubled here, where Hipocrite can't even show me where the hoaxing occurred.
2. Misplaced Pages:vandalism - In a related issue, Rangley and Hipocrite diagree whether Hipocrite's self-described "blind reversions" constitute vandalism, if made in good faith. I
3. Misplaced Pages:harassment - I don't really think that the "blind reversions" are vandalism, since Hipocrite explains them, but I do think they're harassment.
4. WP:Bite - IMHO, Hipocrite is beating up a new editor, on awfully thin evidence of hoax activity.

Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute

History21

• History21 asked Hipocrite to stop blind reverting his changes.,

• Hipocrite refused, arguing that Zoe's "final warning" means that he "does not have to" , and that History21's alleged "history" of hoaxing means that he is on special scrutiny..

TruthCrusader

• TruthCrusader asked why Hipocrite was removing photos, and how photos could be considered hoax activity, and Hypocrite replied that he was "blindly reverting" all of History21's additions based on History21's alleged prior hoaxing.

Rangeley

• Rangeley argued that "blind reversions" constitute vandalism, but Hipocrite disagreed, arguing that his blind reversions were made in good faith, and therefore not vandalism.

TheronJ

• I raised these issues with Hipocrite..

• In response, Hipocrite said that he couldn't show me the evidence of History21's actions, because they occurred in deleted articles, but that History21's hoaxes were "obvious" and "clear." In that response, Hipocrite also accused History21 of sockpuppetry, but didn't provide a link.

• After further discussion, we eventually agreed to refer the issue to an RFC. I offered to collaborate with Hipocrite on the RFC, but he refused.

Users certifying the basis for this dispute

{Users who tried and failed to resolve the dispute}

1. TheronJ 22:13, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
2. ~Rangeley (talk) 22:30, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
3. History21 22:34, 31 July 2006 (UTC)History21

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