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What exactly are the "far-right" views of this group (none are specifically mentioned)?

As it stands, it just seems designed to slander the group (Patriot Prayer), without offering any evidence of "far-right" activities or views. It seems the only such activities are its recurring confrontations with the far-left group Antifa?151.143.51.84 (talk) 01:09, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Let's be honest, we all know why it's in the first paragraph. Don't waste your time arguing with propagandists, i mean that sincerely. LegendLength (talk) 06:25, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
Well, if this isn't the fallacy of argumentum ad populum / appeal to common belief, nothing is.

I agree. I've seen national news stories about their rallies in Portland, but this article sheds almost no light on their actual views. I get that they clash with Antifa (who are also often labeled extreme) and a lot of observers call them "far-right", but not much here to clarify what they actually stand for. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.80.236.53 (talk) 21:49, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

We report what reliable sources say. Reliable sources say that Patriot Prayer is "far-right", so we report that. We don't analyze their ideology and make an independent assessment of where it falls on the political spectrum. That is WP:Original research and is specifically prohibited. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:35, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
If "reliable sources" accuse them of being far right without evidence, it would seem they aren't very reliable History Man1812 (talk) 15:17, 12 April 2021 (UTC)History_Man1812
How does Misplaced Pages deal with bias in said reliable sources? There seems to be no evidence except what journalists allege. Certainly it's possible this is the case here, right? With these standards, it seems impossible to prove a negative if one reliable source mistakenly says it's "far-right" while others characterize it as "right-wing," "conservative," or "libertarian" without using the term "far right." Part of the reason I use Misplaced Pages for a source of information is that it tends to remove biases more than journalists do. 47.156.163.253 (talk) 04:54, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

I agree with this criticism. The page uses the term “far right“ repeatedly, but never cites facts. It just quotes other people calling this group far right. Surely there must be some evidence from the group’s own statements or actions, if this is a fair characterization.Sajita (talk) 12:38, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

There is still no support offered for their views being right-wing, far right (how exactly is that defined anyway?) or what ever. All the article contains is a lot of 'opinions', 'circumstantial stuff' and innuendo. There should be some more thorough information available or one should simply leave out the adjectives. 105.0.2.155 (talk) 20:46, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

August 29 2020 shooting

I've gone through several sources and they say the victim was "a supporter of" as well as Joey's personal friend, but just wearing a hat is like wearing a collegial apparel. I find the inclusion into this page until reliable sources show membership or attendance on behalf of the group undue. Graywalls (talk) 16:29, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

A shooting is a much bigger deal than marching, flag waving and public brawls. The sudden influx of WP:NOTHERE accounts discovering this article for the first time makes this clear. If someone were killed for wearing collegial apparel, that would also be highly due and deserve a mention on the Misplaced Pages page of the college (regardless of whether or not the victim was a member). Connor Behan (talk) 22:07, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
Sources do indeed call him a supporter and friend, what else do you want? We say what sources say. We’re not saying “he attended weekly meetings at the sooper sekrit hideout”. Volunteer Marek 23:50, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
I'm not sure it's worth including here right now, though. Getting shot is not, by any real stretch of the imagination, a "Patriot Prayer" activity; the section shouldn't just become "collection of stuff that happened involving people who are part of Patriot Prayer." All the other stuff in the section either involves a group of people acting under the Patriot Prayer name, or things done / directed by the group's leader under its name. --Aquillion (talk) 01:23, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
That's my thinking. I think it's best to keep it off unless/until a sufficiently strong connection is made. Similarly, if someone did something in a Ducks cap, or even while a UO student, it would be undue to put it on the UO article. However, if reliable reported news coverage says if a student athlete traveling for the team did something in a host town while they're there for an away game, then, that is different. Currently, the verifiable connection is that the shooter was a PP supporter wearing a PP hat (I don't know how hard they are to come by..) whose friends with Joey. No reported account that he was there representing the group or together with the group. Graywalls (talk) 03:05, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Additional coverage that may be useful

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cedar777 (talk • contribs) 00:03, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Killings of Aaron Danielson and Michael Reinoehl

Killings of Aaron Danielson and Michael Reinoehl 2003:F3:23C6:1277:4C02:8F57:AD09:6662 (talk) 23:01, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

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This article repeatedly refers to counter-protestors of Patriot Prayer as "antifa" with zero reference to where those protestors truly are self-described "anti-fascist protestors". Therefore the article shows heavy bias. Unless this can be backed up, each instance of "anti-fascist" and "antifa" should be removed entirely. They don't need to be replaced. "counter protestors" should be sufficient without being misleading. Samsepi0I (talk) 01:14, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 01:19, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Related: John Turano

Created the new stub John Turano. Improvements welcome. Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:24, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

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Re the first paragraph's sentence "The group has organized rallies in support of Donald Trump" is ambiguous. Perhaps it should be "in support of the Trump 2020 presidential campaign" or "in support of then President Donald Trump" or something else that explains why a group would support an individual, rather than a cause or a campaign. It might have made perfect sense when the sentence was first written, but it doesn't make sense now from a fresh perspective. Someone with more familiarity with the subject matter than me should be able to correctly clarify the sentence. 67.131.54.112 (talk) 05:09, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done. Added "former President". ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 07:04, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

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