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RM, 2019–2020 Hong Kong protests → 2019–20 Hong Kong protests, Moved, 1 January 2020, discussion
RM, 2019–20 Hong Kong protests → 2019–2020 Hong Kong protests, No consensus, 2 May 2020, discussion
RM, 2019–2021 Hong Kong protests → 2019–21 Hong Kong protests, Procedural close and moved back to 2019–20 Hong Kong protests, 31 December 2020, discussion
RM, 2019–20 Hong Kong protests → 2019–2021 Hong Kong protests, Moved to 2019–2020 Hong Kong protests, 4 April 2021, discussion
RM, 2019–2020 Hong Kong protests → ?, not moved, 2 July 2021, discussion
RM, 2019–2020 Hong Kong protests → Anti-Extradition Law Amendment Bill Movement, not moved, 10 August 2021, discussion
Older discussions:
RM, 2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests → 2019 Hong Kong protests, Not moved, 10 June 2019, discussion
RM, 2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests → 2019 Hong Kong crisis, Not moved, 2 September 2019, discussion
RM, 2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests → 2019 Hong Kong protests, Moved, 4 September 2019, discussion
Cheng Ching-Tse (5 October 2019). "Misplaced Pages becomes a battleground for Taiwan and China". Taiwan News. Retrieved 5 October 2019. According to UDN, the Hong Kong protest page was edited 65 times in one day, mainly on the issue of whether Hongkongers should be referred to as "rioters" or "protesters."
Manas Sharma, Simon Scarr (28 October 2019). "How Hong Kong's keyboard warriors have besieged Misplaced Pages". Reuters. Retrieved 28 October 2019. A Reuters analysis found a seven-fold surge in edits of the Hong Kong Police Force page over the 10 months to October, compared with a year earlier. Similar spikes occurred in articles about the protests and Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie Lam.
I would say 2021 Hong Kong protest or even History of Hong Kong (2020-) may be better article title to cover the post National Security Law Hong Kong. Just one thing i am pretty sure mass scale protest does not exist in Hong Kong now. You want to reflect the real world , create wiki article to cover the mass scale arrest and dissolution of political parties , citing news article should be the real thing to do. Matthew hk (talk) 18:51, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
Ok but do you have a reliable source for this? TypeKnight03 (talk) 04:51, 24 Aug 2021 (UTC)
Agree Matthew. As you suggested elsewhere too there are still some protests but they are not mass ones. Whether they are notable and whether they are related to the 2019 and the 2020 ones are another question. 203.145.95.18 (talk) 13:07, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
There are some very small scale ones. Yes they are small scale (in groups as little as four or even two) but that doesn't mean they don't exist. 124.217.189.132 (talk) 13:40, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
The problem is people keep want to revive this article to change it to 2019–present Hong Kong protests or try to RM again and again to Anti-Extradition Law Amendment Bill Movement. Yes, probably media will have mix view on it is the extension of 2019 protests or not, if there is large scale protest in 2021, but so far nothing really happened and it is November 2021 already. If large scale protest do exists (say, 1000 people and have media reporting?), just create 2022 Hong Kong protest(s). Matthew hk (talk) 05:57, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
Support split - To follow up on a previous discussion, since there is consensus to split, I suggest reducing the "Reactions", "Impact", "Local media coverage", "Police misconduct", "Online confrontations", "Background", "History" as well as the "Clashes between protesters and counter-protesters" sections to ONE paragraph each, and having the rest covered in the sub articles. Obviously, I am open to suggestions. --Jax 0677 (talk) 18:34, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Why are we having this discussion every other month... Reducing the sections to ONE paragraph is an absurd idea. For instance, the article for World War II has way more than just six paragraphs. We probably need a short overview on the changes in Hong Kong one year after the NSL was enacted, but other than, this article is completed and shouldn't be changed significantly. OceanHok (talk) 13:38, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
It is How to split need to be discuss. Or noone bold enough to throw out the details and leave the real essence to actually summarize the protest and the impact. Matthew hk (talk) 18:47, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
Strong Support:This article is far too long, and that topic actually needs and deserves an article. You have my full support on this one.! Dunutubble (talk) 22:56, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
@210.6.10.118: (i know the ping does not work for ip, i just want the layout) Dude...I don't use online forum to discuss en-wikipedia matter (i do use discord and github to discuss POE wiki matter). Or did someone impersonating me? Or did someone just quote me? I am an old guy that CD-rom at LIHKG , as i don't have email to register there. I do have hkgolden.com account Matthew hk (talk) 23:52, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
@OceanHok:, And World War 2 is a bad comparison. World War 2, is world war, it involve many battle, many countries. If you want to be more impactful for this 2019–2020 Hong Kong protests, dude........can you even do it like 400 words at least in lead? It is way too long as a summary article that people has lost interest to read it. I do read forum that this is new kind of misinfo war by bumping the article with junk or not so important info and detail so that discourage people to actually read it. This article has way many subarticles to place details. Matthew hk (talk) 01:48, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
And for people in forum . Please create account. DONT use sock. I will submit anyone to WP:SPI. Learn to cite newspaper especially wiki widely acceptable source eg. WSJ, FT, The Economist, NYT. Some western media may be bad, some pro-Beijing newspaper may be bad (e.g. HKEJ), but it is necessary evil to use them. (unless they are discussed in WP:RSN to not use them) Buy book or borrow it from public library and drop down points (or scanner? pirating the whole book is not recommended btw), even they are published by Sino United Publishing, again necessary evil. (Of course on apolitical topic as the company is the mouthpiece of Central Gov) or check the author. I read a book that literally challenged the works by 劉智鵬. You can only add the version that other author rebutting 劉智鵬, or add both versions in articles, as it is harder for wiki editors to act as a professional to judge which version of geo history is right. But some are really common sense that you can easily reject and don't need to mention in wiki article. Also, use talk page more often, please leave discussion of HK topic in WP:WPHK page. Misplaced Pages is not that accepting the reasoning of we have discussed off-site and don't show the discussion to the public. I.e. Telegram group and discord. You can gossip there but "serious" matter such as which news articles should be used should leave it on wiki article talk page. Matthew hk (talk) 02:00, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
No, I am not comparing the protests to the war itself. What I am trying to say is that I have never seen an article documenting history that has one paragraph per session. This is a stupid and absurd proposal. I agree with further trim (I have been involved with efforts to trim the article last year), but I definitely disagree with trimming the article at such a massive scale. OceanHok (talk) 11:17, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Well said. And that's precisely also what Matthew hk pointed out above on how to split. (And thank you for bringing this up in the forum.) 124.217.189.132 (talk) 13:35, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
New session about the Criticism of protesters is needed
The article only mentions police violence, but as far as I know, the protesters also engaged in violent acts such as assaulting police, vandalizing public property, abducting passers-by, and so on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nana byun (talk • contribs) 02:36, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
I've seen this page before. However, I believe it is preferable to include this column on the page in order to make the content appear balanced on both sides.Nana byun (talk) 02:59, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
The information is already adequately included in the radical group subsection/domestic response. I don't think any more elaboration is needed. OceanHok (talk) 11:05, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
October 2021: Lead
The lead was recently changed unilaterally by Dgtdddsx123 as if the article was moved, and as such it no longer conforms to MOS:FIRST. I do not see any real opposition though aside from myself and I am uninterested in a discussion between just me and them. I think the discussion regarding the title of this article should be revived, and my thoughts are as follows:
A source using the term "2019–2020 Hong Kong protests" or "2019–2021 Hong Kong protests" is not sufficient justification for its inclusion in the lead. The goal is to avoid redundancy in the lead (i.e. avoid, "The 2019–2021 Hong Kong protests are a series of demonstrations since 15 March 2019 ...")
This article is about the Anti-Extradition Law Amendment Bill Movement and the aftermath of its suppression. This article does not cover any protests or demonstrations that occurred in 2021, only the subsequent crackdown. The source provided that uses the term "2019–2021 Hong Kong protests" makes the same mistake.
It is to keep pages from contradicting each other. You can also leave comments on the pages that discuss criticism of protesters and about the protests/suppression in 2021 if necessary. All the best☺,Dgtdddsx123 (talk) 07:31, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
The title "Anti-Extradition Law Amendment Bill Movement" is kind of a common name in Cantonese, but not really in English. I think we need to accept the fact that there is no more actual act of protest in Hong Kong since July 2020. There is only resentment against the government, but little to no actions to actually defy it in 2021. OceanHok (talk) 07:35, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
While the article has a section about Police misconduct, it is missing a section about Protesters violence. The "Radical group" subsection is created only for violent tactics, and it's not a good place for adding acts of violence which are not part of a tactic.
The violence of the protesters is a reality and the topic deserves to be mentioned in the article. At this moment, Death of Luo Changqing is presented like being part of the event and the article tries to hide the fact that she was killed by a protester, while describing in detail whatever the government and police did wrong. At this moment, protester violence is presented as a somehow heroic tactics of resistance against oppression, tactics that include violence.
The protesters set on fire a construction worker, identified as Mr. Lee, who survived.
Luo Changqing, a 70-year-old cleaner, died from head injuries sustained after he was hit by a brick thrown by a Hong Kong protester
Journalist beaten in airport, Hong Kong officer mutilated in acid attack and more -
There is no need for a separate section when these events are mentioned elsewhere in the article. Nor is wanting to specifically highlight "protesters violence" a great reason for creating a separate, redundant subsection. Citobun (talk) 09:21, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
I concur with Citobun that this shouldn't be a section. Luo and the guy who was lit on fire were already discussed in the article and there is no point repeating again. We tried to avoid discussing singlular incident unless it was very important and notable. This page is not meant to be an exhaustive list of violent actions. I don't see any problem with mentioning violence against police in the radical section. OceanHok (talk) 12:30, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
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