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Judd Trump hug

User:Robynthehode, regarding your use of rollback here, on my recent addition, with the edit summary "Trivia, this is an encyclopaedia (RW 16.1)": I added this "After the match O’Sullivan wrapped his arms around Trump, sharing a tight hug for more than a minute, later revealing that he had been left "sobbing"." This has been covered by a number of WP:RS news sources. It is far from "trivia" and, as far as I know, is quite exceptional in professional snooker generally or in the history of the World Snooker Championship. In fact, it was mentioned, as "a hug which lasted more than a minute", by Sarah Montague on today's The World at One on BBC Radio 4. It was a vivid demonstration of O'Sullivan's emotional temperament and should be briefly mentioned somewhere. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:39, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, but it is plainly trivia. WP:NOTGOSSIP applies. wjemather 15:13, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
Why do you think this detail was "gossip"? Viewing figures peaked at 4.1 million Martinevans123 (talk) 15:18, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
Please read the policy: "Not every facet of a celebrity's life... is significant enough to be included in the biography of a person." To be significant, this fleeting moment (and it's significance) would need to be being discussed in several years time; right now, it's trivia. wjemather 15:33, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
This is hardly "every facet of a celebrity's life". It was a very public display of emotion at a event that had enormous personal significance. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:43, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
Agree with wjemather. It is clearly contrary to WP:NOTGOSSIP and also contrary to WP:NOTNEWS. Read the content linked to and you will see this to be the case. Ronnie O'Sullivan's notability is as a snooker player not as a professional hugger. Robynthehode (talk) 15:28, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
Trivial indeed. Just because news sources (which have long been going downhill in their journalistic quality) mention it, it doesn't automatically make it a worth inclusion in Misplaced Pages articles. Seasider53 (talk) 15:31, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
The Independent has "long been going downhill in its journalistic quality"? But there are plenty of others. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:40, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
I've read all the "the content linked to", thanks, and I think there is a degree of interpretation to be made. I wasn't actually suggesting that O'Sullivan was a "professional hugger." You might equally (and equally erroneously) argue that Boris Becker's notability is as a tennis player not as a convicted fraudster or that Paul Gascoigne's notability is as a former professional footballer and not as an unstable alcoholic. Sportsmen are not all robots, they do have personalities (with some possible exceptions, of course). Martinevans123 (talk) 15:38, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
My comment about 'professional hugger' was tongue in cheek and I was not seriously suggesting you were suggesting O'Sullivan was one. But the point still stands - the content about the hug is trivia and is supported by the interpretation of at least WP:NOTGOSSIP and maybe WP:NOTNEWS by more than one editor as shown above. So is such content that important to you? There's far too much trivia creeping into Misplaced Pages. Robynthehode (talk) 16:36, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
It's a loss to the article. I'm not responsible for "too much trivia creeping into Misplaced Pages", thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:46, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
No, it really isn't. Additionally, giving the same weight to an insignificant (in the grand scheme of things) hug as is given to each record that he broke or equalled during the championship is WP:UNDUE. wjemather 17:12, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
It might be better placed in the "Personal life section", except that "Career summary" already contains many details about his mental health and emotional problems. His breaking of records and championship wins are rightly give much more prominence. If that one single sentence is judged too much, it might easily be trimmed down. Currently there is no content whatsoever on the personal significance of the win to O'Sullivan himself? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:26, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

- seems like a pretty trivial thing, but maybe needs a brief mention. Professional snooker career of Ronnie O'Sullivan is a better place regardless, as the career summary here is supposed to be short in summary style. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski 17:54, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. A very good idea. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:23, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
Not a good idea at all and contrary to consensus at the moment Robynthehode (talk) 19:11, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
The relevant place to discuss is at Talk:Professional snooker career of Ronnie O'Sullivan, where a separate consensus can be sought. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:10, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

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  1. Latham-Coyle, Harry (3 May 2022). "'What he said blew me away': Ronnie O'Sullivan lifts lid on Judd Trump hug". The Independent.
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