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Armatura

Indef block as a standard admin action, with more info on their talk page. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 16:24, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Request concerning Armatura User who is submitting this request for enforcement MJL (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 18:00, 30 June 2022 (UTC) User against whom enforcement is requested Armatura (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log Sanction or remedy to be enforced Armenia-Azerbaijan 2 Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it 12 June 2022 Armatura makes the absurd claim that he can't be reverted and threatens to report another editor (Golden) for their previous history of disregarding Misplaced Pages policies. I am not exaggerating here. Armatura explicitly makes the claim that WP:DONTREVERT is a policy. I got asked by Golden to help figure out how to respond to Armatura here and determine where Golden might've misstepped (at least that's how I read the message). Instead, I decide to jump in and explain that (A) Armatura seems to gravely misunderstand the basic nature of Misplaced Pages's policies (WP:NOTCOMPULSORY, WP:OWNBEHAVIOR, etc.) (B) I don't like Armatura threatened to report a user over this incredibly minor content dispute (WP:BATTLEGROUND/WP:CIR). 13 June 2022 Armatura responds by saying I'm not fit to mediate conflicts in AA2 (which is an absurd claim and completely unrelated to anything I said or was trying to do) and proceeds to explain how I fall short of his criteria. Needless to say, Armatura completely misses the point. (WP:IDHT) 14 June 2022 Skipping forward a bit, after our conversation Armatura decides to vague post about me to the Teahouse where Armatura asks What does a third person do, if a mentor appears to be abusing their role and harassing a third person in order to protect their protege? (For context, I'm Golden's mentor of sorts.) (WP:HARASS/WP:BATTLEGROUND) 18-20 June 2022 Armatura comes to my talk page to complain about Golden. I explain I don't see any issues with Golden's response. Armatura offers me reading material about protegee-mentor relationships which I didn't ask for. I respond confronting Armatura with what he said about me at the Teahouse and Rosguill's talk page. Armatura denies he was talking about me (just blatantly lying at that point). (WP:CIV) 28 June 2022 A user (Abrvagl) brings forward pretty basic response to the concerns Armatura copy/pasted at WP:BLP/N and Talk:2020 Ghazanchetsots Cathedral shelling. There is so much going on with how Armatura replied in that diff. He questions how a user took only 6 months to learn Misplaced Pages's policies and improve their English. Then he responds by saying Abrvagl was being passive aggressive I-am-not-saying-anything-but-kind-of-openly-implying-things-nonetheless but says he won't respond that way (despite the fact he just did) while ignoring literally everything that user had to say to him. (WP:IDHT/WP:BATTLEGROUND) Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any 23 January 2021 A since-overturned IBAN with Solavirum (talk · contribs) If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts) Placed a {{Ds/aware}} template for the area of conflict on their own talk page. (It's not on the talk page, but WP:NOTBURO applies here folks.) Additional comments by editor filing complaint Armatura is the type of person to post about an Azeribaijani mailing list of more than 10 years ago on ruwiki and claim there are current enwiki editors still actively involved in offwiki coordination. Armatura is the type of person to out a minor onwiki by stalking their social media (). It's completely unrelated to the AA2-topic area, but Armatura's article George Klein (physician) (edit \| talk \| history \| protect \| delete \| links \| watch \| logs \| views) was a copyvio that had to be cleaned up by Diannaa. (For the record, this edit was copyvio as well and is still up.) A user of more than 15 years experience should not need WP:COPYVIO explained to them. My conclusion? Competence is required. Nothing less than a topic-ban for AA2 and a final warning about the copyvio or an indef block as an admin action would be sufficient for him here. –MJL ‐Talk‐ 18:00, 30 June 2022 (UTC) @Dennis Brown: I absolutely considered adding the template, but it would've been incredibly WP:POINTy. The point of the template is to ensure the person knows about the sanctions. What would be the point for someone who has {{ds/aware}} on their user page? –MJL ‐Talk‐ 02:23, 1 July 2022 (UTC) @Dennis Brown: To be honest, I really just think an indef as a regular admin action is the right move here. I could have requested as much on AN or AN/I, but no one likes commenting on these kinds of reports over there (well, besides the people involved of course). I mean, you'd think Armatura would be on his best behavior given this thread, but I mean look at this diff. In response to a user (Golden) asking them to provide a list of reliable sources that use his preferred term to describe a pretty sensitive topic, Armatura just says that's a logical fallacy (?), and it's on the Internet. That's just.. so far removed from how we do things here. –MJL ‐Talk‐ 05:47, 8 July 2022 (UTC) Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested Done. Discussion concerning Armatura Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks. Statement by Armatura Thanks for opening this discussion, MJL. I will go one by one through the points you have raised. Armatura claims he can't be reverted. You are referring to this. I didn't say I cannot be reverted, but I questioned why and based on what I was reverted, and I see a problem in using reverting as method of operation (I rarely use it). Armatura claims that WP:DONTREVERT is a policy. I am yet to learn the pragamtic difference between policy, guidelines, and essays on Misplaced Pages by heart, that is true. I regard them as code of exemplary conduct, and if an (non humorous) essey says do not X,Y,Z, I sincerely try not doing X,Y, or Z. I was genuinely surprised that you put such a difference in between these terms, and I expressed by bewilderment on a neutral senior user's page. I got asked by Golden, I decide to jump in. Your emotional jumping in felt to me that you had a go at me, you did not sound neutral to me, hence I asked a neutral user, who, while explaining my mistake in a peaceful manner (for which I was thankful), agreed that you did get more testy with me than would have been ideal. I did explain why I did not consider your intervention neutral, you may say these are my subjective feelings, but so are yours. You blamed me with threatening another user (I agree I could sound friendlier when I was questioning Golden's revert), but this felt like you were threatening me and putting an ultimatum in front of me (not a peaceful conflict resolution method, I hope you agree). Armatura says I'm not fit to mediate conflicts in AA2 I explained above why I did not like the tone of your explanation, I believe mentorship should never work like that. Vague post about me to the Teahouse - Armatura asks what to do if a mentor appears to be abusing their role? Not knowing what wiki mentorship is and the code of conduct of it, I asked in Teahouse those questions, and what I should do if I think boundaries are being stretched. I did not mention your name and did not report you anywhere, the question was for my own learning. Armatura comes to my talk page... Armatura offers me reading material I came to your page following the advice given in Teahouse. After seeing you failed to see a problem when there is a problem with mentee's edits, I hoped you may reflect after reading academic material on well-described negative aspects of mentor-mentee relationship. Armatura blatantly lying. Is this WP:CIV from you? My answer did not deny it was about you, I said "If you associate yourself with some of the things I asked about in TeaHouse, perhaps there has been some reflection after cooling down", meaning that I was talking about you and that I was happy you had some reflection on the points I made to you. You snapped at me again, hence I decided to leave the non-productive conversation peacefully, with a compliment in your address. Compliment was genuine, by the way, I am aware of your contributions on Scots Misplaced Pages and things you say there on your userpage that you really love helping people and that you will not be afraid to stand-up to injustice deserve admiration. But, I don't think you are ideal, and I don't welcome your taking sides in AA2 debates, despite repeatedly declaring no bias. You defend problematic editors: One is blocked for sockpupetry, one is doing questionable edits (like this) while in probation after recent block for sockpuppetry]. Another on, recently warned for edit warring came to my talk page with seemingly reserved by stil unfriendly tone, "if I assume good faith" is never a good idea for starting conversation with a stranger, on Wiki or off Wiki, and wanted him to feel what it would sound like if I was him and he was me. The number of quoted policies sounded wikilawyering to me, for the pattern of English writing - we have previously seen disruptive coordinated editing from certain users and this language difference was quite striking, so it got my attention, check his previous posts and see for yourself. claims there are current enwiki editors still actively involved in offwiki coordination This is not true. Everyone can read with their own eyes the memo on my page: A case of pro-Azerbaijani off-wiki coordination similar to WP:EEML have been revealed on Russian Misplaced Pages in 2010, with some of the current pro-Azerbaijani editors of English Misplaced Pages on the mailing list. Outing I did not know anything about wikipolicis of outing at the time, and that such concerning behaviour should have been reported to Arbcom. I never crossed that boundarie again, once it was explained, hence the IBAN was rescinded and annulled in due course. --Armatura (talk) Even though my account is 15 years old, I have not spent as much time on Misplaced Pages as much you think I do, and do not have experience you keep assuming I have - see my activity over years and that will be clear. I am grateful to all users who helped me to improve George Klein article I started, apologies for initial mistakes, I am yet to check what wiki copyvivo is and with what sauce it has to be eaten with. Best wishes, --Armatura (talk) 00:59, 1 July 2022 (UTC) Response to comments MJL and Dennis Brown, thank you for your comments. Have you looked into the behaviour of the users I mentioned I had disputes with, did you see me having problems with users who do not abuse Misplaced Pages policies? Both Golden and Solavirum intentionally abused Misplaced Pages, by edit warring, by using multiple accounts, by owning the AA articles I share an interest in, by hostile treatment towards me from the moment I re-started editing in 2020 after a long hiatus. Not knowing exactly where / how to complain, how to deal with subthreshold tendentious editing, the Misplaced Pages policies well enough to stand up against wikilawyering - these were things that made me sometimes irritated, to the point of sounding unfriendly. My 15 years is being brought repetitively as an argument against me - please have a look at the unequal spread of my activity since registration, have a look at my other interactions and you will see why I am not the the “established user who bullies others right and left”. --Armatura (talk) 06:21, 8 July 2022 (UTC) Statement by Nableezy The whole point of the aware template is to establish awareness. I think the user is clearly aware and the request for enforcement should be considered on its merits and not dismissed on the technicality that the template is on their user page and not their user talk page. I have not looked at and do not intend to look at those merits, but it shouldnt be ignored without examining the merits. nableezy - 03:22, 1 July 2022 (UTC) Statement by Szmenderowiecki First, we are not a bureaucracy. Secondly, a cursory look at AE archives reveals that a report against the user was filed in January 2021 (withdrawn). Armatura additionally commented in WP:AA2-related AE reports in November 2021 and in June 2022. According to awareness rules, a user is aware if In the last twelve months, the editor has participated in any process about the area of conflict at arbitration requests or arbitration enforcement (point 4). This clearly happened here. Please proceed with the analysis on the merits. This comment does not endorse anyone's statements, it's just to make sure that the AE complaint is not dismissed on a technicality. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 10:29, 4 July 2022 (UTC) Statement by (username) Result concerning Armatura This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above. Armatura had not been given a DS notice since Aug of 2020, so we kind of have to do that in order to consider sanctions for actions after this notice is given. That doesn't mean an admin can't sanction using standard admin authority for any general bad behavior, but we can't DS sanction if they haven't been notified in the last 12 months. They did add the notification, which is odd, but I stand by giving the template given the circumstances. I have not looked at the merits at this time. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 19:54, 30 June 2022 (UTC) I haven't looked at the merits either yet, but the user has had - since January 2021 - a notice on their userpage stating "This user is aware of the discretionary sanction topic area(s): Armenia, Azerbaijan, or related conflicts. He should not be given alerts for those areas.". If a user with that template on their userpage was brought to AE and then actually tried to claim that the filing was invalid because they hadn't received an alert, they'd be told "No, because you specifically asked not to be given one", so that should be the case in all circumstances. Black Kite (talk) 10:53, 4 July 2022 (UTC) This is looking like a WP:TE issue, broader than just AE issues. Not sure what to do here. Really, the only question is, is this a case for indef block, or is there some hope? After a lot of consideration, I'm of the mind to just assume they were aware by virtue of adding that notice to their page, and proceed, although I'm not sure we need AE authority to take action here anyway. Notification isn't a get out of jail free card. Again, is this person a net positive or net negative for the encyclopedia? I'm leaning net negative. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 19:29, 7 July 2022 (UTC) I'm not sure. If this was a new user, it would be easy to slap their wrist a bit and monitor, but the gaslighting (last example in the original report) and passive-aggressively complaining about people being passive-agressive, and other examples of behavior from an editor that has been here over a decade is hard to figure out a solution for, other than using the ban hammer. I don't see a clear line violation, but I do see a pattern of behavior that is incompatible with Misplaced Pages, or any collaborative project, so again, this may be a standard admin action thing. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 23:10, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Indef block as a standard admin action, with more info on their talk page. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 16:24, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.

Request concerning Armatura

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: MJL (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 18:00, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: Armatura (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log

Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Armenia-Azerbaijan 2

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

12 June 2022 Armatura makes the absurd claim that he can't be reverted and threatens to report another editor (Golden) for their previous history of disregarding Misplaced Pages policies. I am not exaggerating here. Armatura explicitly makes the claim that WP:DONTREVERT is a policy.
I got asked by Golden to help figure out how to respond to Armatura here and determine where Golden might've misstepped (at least that's how I read the message). Instead, I decide to jump in and explain that (A) Armatura seems to gravely misunderstand the basic nature of Misplaced Pages's policies (WP:NOTCOMPULSORY, WP:OWNBEHAVIOR, etc.) (B) I don't like Armatura threatened to report a user over this incredibly minor content dispute (WP:BATTLEGROUND/WP:CIR).
13 June 2022 Armatura responds by saying I'm not fit to mediate conflicts in AA2 (which is an absurd claim and completely unrelated to anything I said or was trying to do) and proceeds to explain how I fall short of his criteria. Needless to say, Armatura completely misses the point. (WP:IDHT)
14 June 2022 Skipping forward a bit, after our conversation Armatura decides to vague post about me to the Teahouse where Armatura asks What does a third person do, if a mentor appears to be abusing their role and harassing a third person in order to protect their protege? (For context, I'm Golden's mentor of sorts.) (WP:HARASS/WP:BATTLEGROUND)
18-20 June 2022 Armatura comes to my talk page to complain about Golden. I explain I don't see any issues with Golden's response. Armatura offers me reading material about protegee-mentor relationships which I didn't ask for. I respond confronting Armatura with what he said about me at the Teahouse and Rosguill's talk page. Armatura denies he was talking about me (just blatantly lying at that point). (WP:CIV)
28 June 2022 A user (Abrvagl) brings forward pretty basic response to the concerns Armatura copy/pasted at WP:BLP/N and Talk:2020 Ghazanchetsots Cathedral shelling. There is so much going on with how Armatura replied in that diff. He questions how a user took only 6 months to learn Misplaced Pages's policies and improve their English. Then he responds by saying Abrvagl was being passive aggressive I-am-not-saying-anything-but-kind-of-openly-implying-things-nonetheless but says he won't respond that way (despite the fact he just did) while ignoring literally everything that user had to say to him. (WP:IDHT/WP:BATTLEGROUND)

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

23 January 2021 A since-overturned IBAN with Solavirum (talk · contribs)

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

Placed a {{Ds/aware}} template for the area of conflict on their own talk page. (It's not on the talk page, but WP:NOTBURO applies here folks.)

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Armatura is the type of person to post about an Azeribaijani mailing list of more than 10 years ago on ruwiki and claim there are current enwiki editors still actively involved in offwiki coordination.
Armatura is the type of person to out a minor onwiki by stalking their social media ().

My conclusion? Competence is required. Nothing less than a topic-ban for AA2 and a final warning about the copyvio or an indef block as an admin action would be sufficient for him here. –MJL ‐Talk‐ 18:00, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

@Dennis Brown: I absolutely considered adding the template, but it would've been incredibly WP:POINTy. The point of the template is to ensure the person knows about the sanctions. What would be the point for someone who has {{ds/aware}} on their user page? –MJL ‐Talk‐ 02:23, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

@Dennis Brown: To be honest, I really just think an indef as a regular admin action is the right move here. I could have requested as much on AN or AN/I, but no one likes commenting on these kinds of reports over there (well, besides the people involved of course).
I mean, you'd think Armatura would be on his best behavior given this thread, but I mean look at this diff. In response to a user (Golden) asking them to provide a list of reliable sources that use his preferred term to describe a pretty sensitive topic, Armatura just says that's a logical fallacy (?), and it's on the Internet. That's just.. so far removed from how we do things here. –MJL ‐Talk‐ 05:47, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Done.

Discussion concerning Armatura

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Statement by Armatura

Thanks for opening this discussion, MJL. I will go one by one through the points you have raised.

Armatura claims he can't be reverted. You are referring to this. I didn't say I cannot be reverted, but I questioned why and based on what I was reverted, and I see a problem in using reverting as method of operation (I rarely use it).
Armatura claims that WP:DONTREVERT is a policy. I am yet to learn the pragamtic difference between policy, guidelines, and essays on Misplaced Pages by heart, that is true. I regard them as code of exemplary conduct, and if an (non humorous) essey says do not X,Y,Z, I sincerely try not doing X,Y, or Z. I was genuinely surprised that you put such a difference in between these terms, and I expressed by bewilderment on a neutral senior user's page.
I got asked by Golden, I decide to jump in. Your emotional jumping in felt to me that you had a go at me, you did not sound neutral to me, hence I asked a neutral user, who, while explaining my mistake in a peaceful manner (for which I was thankful), agreed that you did get more testy with me than would have been ideal. I did explain why I did not consider your intervention neutral, you may say these are my subjective feelings, but so are yours. You blamed me with threatening another user (I agree I could sound friendlier when I was questioning Golden's revert), but this felt like you were threatening me and putting an ultimatum in front of me (not a peaceful conflict resolution method, I hope you agree).
Armatura says I'm not fit to mediate conflicts in AA2 I explained above why I did not like the tone of your explanation, I believe mentorship should never work like that.
Vague post about me to the Teahouse - Armatura asks what to do if a mentor appears to be abusing their role? Not knowing what wiki mentorship is and the code of conduct of it, I asked in Teahouse those questions, and what I should do if I think boundaries are being stretched. I did not mention your name and did not report you anywhere, the question was for my own learning.
Armatura comes to my talk page... Armatura offers me reading material I came to your page following the advice given in Teahouse. After seeing you failed to see a problem when there is a problem with mentee's edits, I hoped you may reflect after reading academic material on well-described negative aspects of mentor-mentee relationship.
Armatura blatantly lying. Is this WP:CIV from you? My answer did not deny it was about you, I said "If you associate yourself with some of the things I asked about in TeaHouse, perhaps there has been some reflection after cooling down", meaning that I was talking about you and that I was happy you had some reflection on the points I made to you. You snapped at me again, hence I decided to leave the non-productive conversation peacefully, with a compliment in your address.
Compliment was genuine, by the way, I am aware of your contributions on Scots Misplaced Pages and things you say there on your userpage that you really love helping people and that you will not be afraid to stand-up to injustice deserve admiration. But, I don't think you are ideal, and I don't welcome your taking sides in AA2 debates, despite repeatedly declaring no bias. You defend problematic editors: One is blocked for sockpupetry, one is doing questionable edits (like this) while in probation after recent block for sockpuppetry]. Another on, recently warned for edit warring came to my talk page with seemingly reserved by stil unfriendly tone, "if I assume good faith" is never a good idea for starting conversation with a stranger, on Wiki or off Wiki, and wanted him to feel what it would sound like if I was him and he was me. The number of quoted policies sounded wikilawyering to me, for the pattern of English writing - we have previously seen disruptive coordinated editing from certain users and this language difference was quite striking, so it got my attention, check his previous posts and see for yourself.
claims there are current enwiki editors still actively involved in offwiki coordination This is not true. Everyone can read with their own eyes the memo on my page: A case of pro-Azerbaijani off-wiki coordination similar to WP:EEML have been revealed on Russian Misplaced Pages in 2010, with some of the current pro-Azerbaijani editors of English Misplaced Pages on the mailing list.
Outing I did not know anything about wikipolicis of outing at the time, and that such concerning behaviour should have been reported to Arbcom. I never crossed that boundarie again, once it was explained, hence the IBAN was rescinded and annulled in due course. --Armatura (talk)
Even though my account is 15 years old, I have not spent as much time on Misplaced Pages as much you think I do, and do not have experience you keep assuming I have - see my activity over years and that will be clear. I am grateful to all users who helped me to improve George Klein article I started, apologies for initial mistakes, I am yet to check what wiki copyvivo is and with what sauce it has to be eaten with. Best wishes, --Armatura (talk) 00:59, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Response to comments

MJL and Dennis Brown, thank you for your comments. Have you looked into the behaviour of the users I mentioned I had disputes with, did you see me having problems with users who do not abuse Misplaced Pages policies? Both Golden and Solavirum intentionally abused Misplaced Pages, by edit warring, by using multiple accounts, by owning the AA articles I share an interest in, by hostile treatment towards me from the moment I re-started editing in 2020 after a long hiatus. Not knowing exactly where / how to complain, how to deal with subthreshold tendentious editing, the Misplaced Pages policies well enough to stand up against wikilawyering - these were things that made me sometimes irritated, to the point of sounding unfriendly. My 15 years is being brought repetitively as an argument against me - please have a look at the unequal spread of my activity since registration, have a look at my other interactions and you will see why I am not the the “established user who bullies others right and left”. --Armatura (talk) 06:21, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Statement by Nableezy

The whole point of the aware template is to establish awareness. I think the user is clearly aware and the request for enforcement should be considered on its merits and not dismissed on the technicality that the template is on their user page and not their user talk page. I have not looked at and do not intend to look at those merits, but it shouldnt be ignored without examining the merits. nableezy - 03:22, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Statement by Szmenderowiecki

First, we are not a bureaucracy. Secondly, a cursory look at AE archives reveals that a report against the user was filed in January 2021 (withdrawn). Armatura additionally commented in WP:AA2-related AE reports in November 2021 and in June 2022. According to awareness rules, a user is aware if In the last twelve months, the editor has participated in any process about the area of conflict at arbitration requests or arbitration enforcement (point 4). This clearly happened here. Please proceed with the analysis on the merits.

This comment does not endorse anyone's statements, it's just to make sure that the AE complaint is not dismissed on a technicality. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 10:29, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Armatura

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

Armatura had not been given a DS notice since Aug of 2020, so we kind of have to do that in order to consider sanctions for actions after this notice is given. That doesn't mean an admin can't sanction using standard admin authority for any general bad behavior, but we can't DS sanction if they haven't been notified in the last 12 months. They did add the notification, which is odd, but I stand by giving the template given the circumstances. I have not looked at the merits at this time. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 19:54, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

I haven't looked at the merits either yet, but the user has had - since January 2021 - a notice on their userpage stating "This user is aware of the discretionary sanction topic area(s): Armenia, Azerbaijan, or related conflicts. He should not be given alerts for those areas.". If a user with that template on their userpage was brought to AE and then actually tried to claim that the filing was invalid because they hadn't received an alert, they'd be told "No, because you specifically asked not to be given one", so that should be the case in all circumstances. Black Kite (talk) 10:53, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
This is looking like a WP:TE issue, broader than just AE issues. Not sure what to do here. Really, the only question is, is this a case for indef block, or is there some hope? After a lot of consideration, I'm of the mind to just assume they were aware by virtue of adding that notice to their page, and proceed, although I'm not sure we need AE authority to take action here anyway. Notification isn't a get out of jail free card. Again, is this person a net positive or net negative for the encyclopedia? I'm leaning net negative. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 19:29, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure. If this was a new user, it would be easy to slap their wrist a bit and monitor, but the gaslighting (last example in the original report) and passive-aggressively complaining about people being passive-agressive, and other examples of behavior from an editor that has been here over a decade is hard to figure out a solution for, other than using the ban hammer. I don't see a clear line violation, but I do see a pattern of behavior that is incompatible with Misplaced Pages, or any collaborative project, so again, this may be a standard admin action thing. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 23:10, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

ZaniGiovanni

There is no bright line violation that justifies AE sanctions at this time. ZaniGiovanni does exhibit some problems with WP:CIVIL that need to be reined in, but they haven't risen to the point of sanction. Yet. As the core of this dispute is about content, I suggest all parties return to editing, read WP:BRD, use the talk page, and POLITELY and PATIENTLY find consensus on these pages. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 20:35, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Request concerning ZaniGiovanni User who is submitting this request for enforcement Abrvagl (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 16:41, 10 July 2022 (UTC) User against whom enforcement is requested ZaniGiovanni (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log Sanction or remedy to be enforced Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2 Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it 20 June 2022‎ - Zani restores POV/nationalistic wording with the logic of 'wartime ethnic retribution', despite the fact that the cited source makes no mention of "because". Zani continues to push his point of view even after I pointed him that this is nearly the exact wording that got another user in AA2 topic banned recently . WP:BATTLE,WP:TE 25 April 2022 - ZaniGiovanni adds the following sentence as part of his rewrite of a mosque article: "Agdam was used by Azerbaijani forces to fire BM-21 Grad long-range missiles at the Armenian populace of Stepanakert". This sentence is not only completely irrelevant to the article, but it again creates a logic of justification for the destruction of a whole city and a mosque. WP:BATTLE,WP:TE 30 April 2022 - Zani reinstates a statement synthesized from a number of controversial sources and once again brings wartime retribution logic into an article. Zani says that the shelling of the city of Ganja, which resulted in over 130 casualties was "in response to the Stepanakert shelling". Even after I point out that the majority of reliable sources do not share same viewpoint and that Misplaced Pages isn't a basis for justifying war crimes, he accuses me of sealioning. 22 June 2022‎ - Zani ignores common sense logic explained to him by the user Golden. He reinstates his own version without reaching a consensus on the talk page discussion and then rejects the opinion of a 3O invited by Golden not once, but twice. WP:IDHT 20 January 2022 - When asked by the user Nunuxxx to be more polite, Zani replies with "Please stop asking me to do stuff, this is a last warning from me". WP:CIVIL 24 April 2022 - A user rewrote the Agdam Mosque article, removing some information and explaining why after another user asked. Zani then jumps into the middle of the conversation and makes a snarky comment towards the user: "I see you appealed your topic-ban with promises to not be disruptive in any topic area, but there's already a problematic edit", quickly turning a polite discussion into a battleground. WP:HARASS, WP:BATTLEGROUND 26 May 2022 - Zani again enters another user discussion in an article he has never edited before and immediately starts bringing dirt on another user, by bringing up eight diffs from two years ago that have no relevance on the specific content dispute. WP:CIVIL, WP:HOUNDING Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any 14 March 2021 A one-week block for personal attacks 29 November 2021 72-hour arbitration block from Uzundara article for edit warring 2 February 2022 Formally warned against edit warring with the expectation to be more diligent in pages covered by AA2 DS If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts) Alerted about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, see the system log linked to above. Additional comments by editor filing complaint Based on his repeated behaviour and prior engagements with users, it would seem Zani is uninterested in cooperating with their fellow co-editors, especially in such a contentious topic area as AA2. He also frequently complains to admins about users he disagrees with in order to discredit and block them (here he misquotes a user in order to convince an admin that there was a personal attack, and here he brings a content dispute to an admin without first talking to the other user, trying to convince the admin that the user was edit warring). Zani's disruptive behaviour has been pointed out to him by several different users on numerous occasions (March 2021, March 2021, March 2021, January 2022, May 2022, May 2022, June 2022), yet he keeps continuing down the same path. Reply 2 Here are a few more recent diffs: 20 June 2022‎ - Zani rephrases the article content to bring more weight to the Armenian version while casting doubt on the Azerbaijani version 3 July 2022 - Zani, who is not picky at all with the reliability of sources when it favours him (for example, he added 2 low-quality sources about a living person's biography, one of which is results from a search engine), now removes properly sourced material with appropriate attribution by falsely citing WP:UNDUE (which he does very often). @Dennis Brown: ZaniGiovanni was only recently formally warned for the same problematic behaviour he continues to display today. At first glance, it may be easy to classify the diffs I've provided as content disputes, however, all of these "disputes" show the patterns of disruptive behaviour this user displays and so should be reviewed in more detail. For example, the first 3 diffs (20 June 2022‎, 30 April 2022, 25 April 2022) clearly shows patterns where the user tries to insert logic of wartime ethnic retribution and war crime justifications into Misplaced Pages, which is exactly what another admin (Future Perfect at Sunrise) at AE recently topic banned a similar editor in AA2 for. Closing the report with no action, despite all the evidence of tendentious editing, would set a dangerous precedent that this kind of editing goes without any consequences. Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested 10 July 2022‎. Discussion concerning ZaniGiovanni Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks. Statement by ZaniGiovanni I'm not sure why I'm being reported all of a sudden, my recent interaction with this user was in Talk:Imarat_cemetery#Reza, where I explained how the source they wanted to keep is WP:UNDUE. Regardless, I'll address the diffs point by point; 1) It was in the article before you removed it. I made a single revert of you (the diff you present) after and explained my rationale on talk, as it's a direct quote paraphrased from the source, see Talk:Lachin#An_Armenian_sergeant. I don't have strong objections for removing it, in fact, I haven't made more than a single revert of you and I stop disengaging from the discussion. If you wanted to restore your edit, you should've done so instead of bringing my single diff here. 2) Irrelevant old diff and you didn't even confront me at the time, even though it's well sourced. If you had any objections, you should've done so instead of piling as many old diffs as possible and opening this insufficient report. 3) You're literally linking a talk comment, that's not a supporting evidence for whatever you're requesting, it's a standard reply. And you were reported for your own changes in 2020 Ganja missile attacks article already, and the commenting admin Rosguill clearly told me; "As far as the continued discussion regarding the Ganja strikes, you have no obligation to continue responding to Abrvagl's arguments; it appears that the stable status quo is your preferred version, so the ball is in Abrvagl's court to call for an RfC, since a third party has already weighed in and you're clearly not interested in taking it to DRN." I think this 3rd "diff" Abrvagl brought up against me raises huge WP:CIR issues of Abrvagl and his battleground mentality. 4) I don't "ignore" anything, I opened a discussion, made my arguments and stated my final opinion to the third party. Whatever happens after that I'm not going to revert. Are you just looking for my contributions and searching any discussion I'm involved in to add to your report? Because clearly you've never edited in that article and I don't see you commenting on talk either. 5) Go back even further, that's not enough. 6) I didn't "jump" into the discussion, I have that page wathclisted and edited a number of times in that article. And I did make valid points that I wanted to make. What are you trying to say with this old April diffs exactly? 2 (this including) are just discussion comments of mine, and legitimate ones at that. 7) You already brought up this in the previous AE case against you. I already explained to you what happened, I'll say again; You probably found that discussion on my talk page User_talk:ZaniGiovanni#Golden, so you should've seen just below that I, in good faith, also asked about it in the TeaHouse User_talk:ZaniGiovanni#Your_thread_has_been_archived () because it was still unclear to me whether discussing user conduct on article talk pages should always be prohibited. I'm certainly more careful about this now, and I make sure just for good measure to raise complex conduct issues on user pages instead or appropriate noticeboards. I already acknowledged this, and I took the criticism for this as seen by my previous explanation. But what does this have to do with you, and why are you bringing this up here for the second time? Rosguill as the previous admin commenting on cases regarding Abrvagl and me, I'm asking you if I have to address anything else. I personally find this report subpar for whatever Abrvagl tries to achieve. I just noticed that in their "additional comments", Abrvagl goes as far as my registration month and links old comments from 2 users from March 2021, my block from 2021 again (I guess it wasn't enough linking once), a random part of article disagreement with another user that I solved already from January (same diff as their 5th point), MJL's comment on my talk (regarding the same 7th point), a Teahouse good faith answer to my question from an admin lol (what does this have to do in AE?), and last one his own comment. I'm so confused at the incompetence of this report. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 17:38, 10 July 2022 (UTC) Dennis Brown I admit being snarky in some of the comments I addressed, because honestly, I was dumbfounded by a number of "diffs" against me. This isn't the first time this user tries to gish gallop me with as much stuff possible, with disregard to how old the diffs are, relevancy, accuracy, etc. They linked my March 2021 block (when I just registered) for the 2nd time for christ's sake, with comment; "Zani's disruptive behaviour has been pointed out to him by several different users on numerous occasions". It's just a standard block notice. If this isn't browbeating me with random inaccurately described stuff to embellish their report, I don't know what is. Unfortunately this is the reality of battleground topic area that AA2 is. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 19:14, 10 July 2022 (UTC) El C can you please clarify that this is not a "sanction" but a warning you gave me back in February? There is a pretty big difference as far as I know, and shouldn't this user be more diligent given the insufficient report that they already posted and wrongly characterized a bunch of things, including ancient diffs when I just registered? See my comment above for examples. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 13:46, 11 July 2022 (UTC) 1) Actually my edit was similar to the status quo version which was changed, see . But I didn't make any edits after that, I didn't even make a single revert even though my change was modified. Why are you commenting this now, and where do you find these diffs that you weren't even part of? Why didn't you discuss this with me anywhere if you somehow saw this despite never editing in the article? Are you just going through my random contributions now because an admin noted that your added diffs were not sanctionable? 2) That's literally something that I opened up in my first comment here, see Talk:Imarat_cemetery#Reza. I already told you what I think and very clearly justified my edit. I don't plan discussing content with you here, if you still have objections, comment on article talk like a normal bloody process instead of dragging everything here. Dennis Brown That's was not a sanction btw like Abrvagl claimed here and added in the sanctions section, that's a warning from February by El_C and I kindly asked them to clarify this. The last 3 diffs Abrvagl links in their 2nd comment are literally the same things from their 1st comment, already addressed, including a standart talk page reply of mine in an article regarding which Rosguill clearly told me; "As far as the continued discussion regarding the Ganja strikes, you have no obligation to continue responding to Abrvagl's arguments; it appears that the stable status quo is your preferred version,...". This same repeated "diff" (a standard talk reply from an article, an article where Abrvagl yet has to gain consensus per admin comment as well) that Abrvagl links for the second time now is what constitutes "wartime ethnic retribution" according to them. I'm not going to tolerate personal attacks like this again. I believe this user should be WP:BOOMERANGed because of the continued sheer incompetence and insufficient diffs against me, characterized with bad faith and outright false accusations. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 14:05, 11 July 2022 (UTC) Yesterday, Abrvagl showed my diff from Talk:Imarat_cemetery#Reza as an evidence of "now removes properly sourced material with appropriate attribution by falsely citing WP:UNDUE". I asked Abrvagl to reply on talk instead of bringing several content issues here. I also asked them to stop making false accusations. Hours later, they replied. After some comments, we reached an impasse and I thought a third opinion was needed. I requested a third opinion from Morbidthoughts and notified Abrvagl. I specifically choose someone who's an established third-party, who agreed both with me and Abrvagl in the past depending on the situation not the user. Clear examples when Abrvagl wanted to remove something and took it to BLP just not so recently; Misplaced Pages:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive339#Saadat_Kadyrova (, ), and when Morbidthoughts replied to my thread in BLP Misplaced Pages:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Hidayat_Orujov. Today, Abrvagl accuses me of canvassing. I honestly don't know if this user legitimately has short memory problems, because it shouldn't have been hard to remember that Morbidthoughts agreed with them not so recently in two separate occasions. How is this canvassing? I barely know Morbidthoughts and only from BLP noticeboards and I specifically choose someone established, third-party, impartial. This is just another bad faith passive-aggressive accusation. For the record, I could've taken this to WP:THIRD, but then it would take too long to get picked up and in some instances, not to be picked up at all (as seen by Abrvagl himself who had to add a separate issue twice), and I personally thought this was a simple matter that Abrvagl refused to see. I made the request itself as impartial as possible. I honestly don't know when enough is enough of this user's continued bad faith accusations. I feel attacked even though I tried my best and took good faith measures to solve our issues. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 18:05, 12 July 2022 (UTC) Hut 8.5 thanks for the comment. While I agree that I could've used better tone in that particular example, in all fairness, it's a diff from half a year ago. And it was a content issue at core, which I solved with the user (Abrvagl wasn't even in the discussion) a long time ago. For context, the authorities were added back by the user themselves after the talk discussion . ZaniGiovanni (talk) 19:01, 13 July 2022 (UTC) Statement by (username) Result concerning ZaniGiovanni This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above. The 3O was by someone that had been here 2 or 3 weeks with 200 edits, so it's hard for me to even understand why they are giving 3rd opinions, making ignoring it utterly forgivable. The other stuff seems to be backed with diffs and falls under "content dispute", which I have no comment on. Adding a sentence once isn't an example of battleground or WP:TE. Commenting on someone having their topic ban lifted and making huge edits as problematic isn't harassing them. It might be snarky, but that is about it. I haven't looked deeper than the diffs you provided, as I assume you have provided the worst offenses, yet I don't see any bright line violations. Some heat is expected when editing in controversial topic area. Based on this, I would recommend no action, and just remind ZaniGiovanni that being snarky isn't helpful. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 18:57, 10 July 2022 (UTC) I've had a look at the headline diffs and I agree with Dennis Brown - while the tone of some of the comments isn't very good (e.g. ), these are largely content disputes. Discretionary sanctions are mainly intended for behavioural problems, and the bar for applying them for content edits is very high. Hut 8.5 18:23, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

There is no bright line violation that justifies AE sanctions at this time. ZaniGiovanni does exhibit some problems with WP:CIVIL that need to be reined in, but they haven't risen to the point of sanction. Yet. As the core of this dispute is about content, I suggest all parties return to editing, read WP:BRD, use the talk page, and POLITELY and PATIENTLY find consensus on these pages. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 20:35, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Request concerning ZaniGiovanni

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Abrvagl (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 16:41, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: ZaniGiovanni (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log

Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

20 June 2022‎ - Zani restores POV/nationalistic wording with the logic of 'wartime ethnic retribution', despite the fact that the cited source makes no mention of "because". Zani continues to push his point of view even after I pointed him that this is nearly the exact wording that got another user in AA2 topic banned recently . WP:BATTLE,WP:TE
25 April 2022 - ZaniGiovanni adds the following sentence as part of his rewrite of a mosque article: "Agdam was used by Azerbaijani forces to fire BM-21 Grad long-range missiles at the Armenian populace of Stepanakert". This sentence is not only completely irrelevant to the article, but it again creates a logic of justification for the destruction of a whole city and a mosque. WP:BATTLE,WP:TE
30 April 2022 - Zani reinstates a statement synthesized from a number of controversial sources and once again brings wartime retribution logic into an article. Zani says that the shelling of the city of Ganja, which resulted in over 130 casualties was "in response to the Stepanakert shelling". Even after I point out that the majority of reliable sources do not share same viewpoint and that Misplaced Pages isn't a basis for justifying war crimes, he accuses me of sealioning.
22 June 2022‎ - Zani ignores common sense logic explained to him by the user Golden. He reinstates his own version without reaching a consensus on the talk page discussion and then rejects the opinion of a 3O invited by Golden not once, but twice. WP:IDHT
20 January 2022 - When asked by the user Nunuxxx to be more polite, Zani replies with "Please stop asking me to do stuff, this is a last warning from me". WP:CIVIL
24 April 2022 - A user rewrote the Agdam Mosque article, removing some information and explaining why after another user asked. Zani then jumps into the middle of the conversation and makes a snarky comment towards the user: "I see you appealed your topic-ban with promises to not be disruptive in any topic area, but there's already a problematic edit", quickly turning a polite discussion into a battleground. WP:HARASS, WP:BATTLEGROUND
26 May 2022 - Zani again enters another user discussion in an article he has never edited before and immediately starts bringing dirt on another user, by bringing up eight diffs from two years ago that have no relevance on the specific content dispute. WP:CIVIL, WP:HOUNDING

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

14 March 2021 A one-week block for personal attacks
29 November 2021 72-hour arbitration block from Uzundara article for edit warring
2 February 2022 Formally warned against edit warring with the expectation to be more diligent in pages covered by AA2 DS

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

Alerted about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, see the system log linked to above.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Based on his repeated behaviour and prior engagements with users, it would seem Zani is uninterested in cooperating with their fellow co-editors, especially in such a contentious topic area as AA2. He also frequently complains to admins about users he disagrees with in order to discredit and block them (here he misquotes a user in order to convince an admin that there was a personal attack, and here he brings a content dispute to an admin without first talking to the other user, trying to convince the admin that the user was edit warring). Zani's disruptive behaviour has been pointed out to him by several different users on numerous occasions (March 2021, March 2021, March 2021, January 2022, May 2022, May 2022, June 2022), yet he keeps continuing down the same path.

Reply 2

Here are a few more recent diffs:

20 June 2022‎ - Zani rephrases the article content to bring more weight to the Armenian version while casting doubt on the Azerbaijani version
3 July 2022 - Zani, who is not picky at all with the reliability of sources when it favours him (for example, he added 2 low-quality sources about a living person's biography, one of which is results from a search engine), now removes properly sourced material with appropriate attribution by falsely citing WP:UNDUE (which he does very often).

@Dennis Brown: ZaniGiovanni was only recently formally warned for the same problematic behaviour he continues to display today. At first glance, it may be easy to classify the diffs I've provided as content disputes, however, all of these "disputes" show the patterns of disruptive behaviour this user displays and so should be reviewed in more detail. For example, the first 3 diffs (20 June 2022‎, 30 April 2022, 25 April 2022) clearly shows patterns where the user tries to insert logic of wartime ethnic retribution and war crime justifications into Misplaced Pages, which is exactly what another admin (Future Perfect at Sunrise) at AE recently topic banned a similar editor in AA2 for. Closing the report with no action, despite all the evidence of tendentious editing, would set a dangerous precedent that this kind of editing goes without any consequences.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

10 July 2022‎.

Discussion concerning ZaniGiovanni

Statement by ZaniGiovanni

I'm not sure why I'm being reported all of a sudden, my recent interaction with this user was in Talk:Imarat_cemetery#Reza, where I explained how the source they wanted to keep is WP:UNDUE. Regardless, I'll address the diffs point by point;

1) It was in the article before you removed it. I made a single revert of you (the diff you present) after and explained my rationale on talk, as it's a direct quote paraphrased from the source, see Talk:Lachin#An_Armenian_sergeant. I don't have strong objections for removing it, in fact, I haven't made more than a single revert of you and I stop disengaging from the discussion. If you wanted to restore your edit, you should've done so instead of bringing my single diff here.
2) Irrelevant old diff and you didn't even confront me at the time, even though it's well sourced. If you had any objections, you should've done so instead of piling as many old diffs as possible and opening this insufficient report.
3) You're literally linking a talk comment, that's not a supporting evidence for whatever you're requesting, it's a standard reply. And you were reported for your own changes in 2020 Ganja missile attacks article already, and the commenting admin Rosguill clearly told me; "As far as the continued discussion regarding the Ganja strikes, you have no obligation to continue responding to Abrvagl's arguments; it appears that the stable status quo is your preferred version, so the ball is in Abrvagl's court to call for an RfC, since a third party has already weighed in and you're clearly not interested in taking it to DRN." I think this 3rd "diff" Abrvagl brought up against me raises huge WP:CIR issues of Abrvagl and his battleground mentality.
4) I don't "ignore" anything, I opened a discussion, made my arguments and stated my final opinion to the third party. Whatever happens after that I'm not going to revert. Are you just looking for my contributions and searching any discussion I'm involved in to add to your report? Because clearly you've never edited in that article and I don't see you commenting on talk either.
5) Go back even further, that's not enough.
6) I didn't "jump" into the discussion, I have that page wathclisted and edited a number of times in that article. And I did make valid points that I wanted to make. What are you trying to say with this old April diffs exactly? 2 (this including) are just discussion comments of mine, and legitimate ones at that.
7) You already brought up this in the previous AE case against you. I already explained to you what happened, I'll say again; You probably found that discussion on my talk page User_talk:ZaniGiovanni#Golden, so you should've seen just below that I, in good faith, also asked about it in the TeaHouse User_talk:ZaniGiovanni#Your_thread_has_been_archived () because it was still unclear to me whether discussing user conduct on article talk pages should always be prohibited. I'm certainly more careful about this now, and I make sure just for good measure to raise complex conduct issues on user pages instead or appropriate noticeboards. I already acknowledged this, and I took the criticism for this as seen by my previous explanation. But what does this have to do with you, and why are you bringing this up here for the second time?

Rosguill as the previous admin commenting on cases regarding Abrvagl and me, I'm asking you if I have to address anything else. I personally find this report subpar for whatever Abrvagl tries to achieve. I just noticed that in their "additional comments", Abrvagl goes as far as my registration month and links old comments from 2 users from March 2021, my block from 2021 again (I guess it wasn't enough linking once), a random part of article disagreement with another user that I solved already from January (same diff as their 5th point), MJL's comment on my talk (regarding the same 7th point), a Teahouse good faith answer to my question from an admin lol (what does this have to do in AE?), and last one his own comment. I'm so confused at the incompetence of this report. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 17:38, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Dennis Brown I admit being snarky in some of the comments I addressed, because honestly, I was dumbfounded by a number of "diffs" against me. This isn't the first time this user tries to gish gallop me with as much stuff possible, with disregard to how old the diffs are, relevancy, accuracy, etc. They linked my March 2021 block (when I just registered) for the 2nd time for christ's sake, with comment; "Zani's disruptive behaviour has been pointed out to him by several different users on numerous occasions". It's just a standard block notice. If this isn't browbeating me with random inaccurately described stuff to embellish their report, I don't know what is. Unfortunately this is the reality of battleground topic area that AA2 is. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 19:14, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

El C can you please clarify that this is not a "sanction" but a warning you gave me back in February? There is a pretty big difference as far as I know, and shouldn't this user be more diligent given the insufficient report that they already posted and wrongly characterized a bunch of things, including ancient diffs when I just registered? See my comment above for examples. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 13:46, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

1) Actually my edit was similar to the status quo version which was changed, see . But I didn't make any edits after that, I didn't even make a single revert even though my change was modified. Why are you commenting this now, and where do you find these diffs that you weren't even part of? Why didn't you discuss this with me anywhere if you somehow saw this despite never editing in the article? Are you just going through my random contributions now because an admin noted that your added diffs were not sanctionable?

2) That's literally something that I opened up in my first comment here, see Talk:Imarat_cemetery#Reza. I already told you what I think and very clearly justified my edit. I don't plan discussing content with you here, if you still have objections, comment on article talk like a normal bloody process instead of dragging everything here.

Dennis Brown That's was not a sanction btw like Abrvagl claimed here and added in the sanctions section, that's a warning from February by El_C and I kindly asked them to clarify this. The last 3 diffs Abrvagl links in their 2nd comment are literally the same things from their 1st comment, already addressed, including a standart talk page reply of mine in an article regarding which Rosguill clearly told me; "As far as the continued discussion regarding the Ganja strikes, you have no obligation to continue responding to Abrvagl's arguments; it appears that the stable status quo is your preferred version,...". This same repeated "diff" (a standard talk reply from an article, an article where Abrvagl yet has to gain consensus per admin comment as well) that Abrvagl links for the second time now is what constitutes "wartime ethnic retribution" according to them. I'm not going to tolerate personal attacks like this again.

I believe this user should be WP:BOOMERANGed because of the continued sheer incompetence and insufficient diffs against me, characterized with bad faith and outright false accusations. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 14:05, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Yesterday, Abrvagl showed my diff from Talk:Imarat_cemetery#Reza as an evidence of "now removes properly sourced material with appropriate attribution by falsely citing WP:UNDUE". I asked Abrvagl to reply on talk instead of bringing several content issues here. I also asked them to stop making false accusations. Hours later, they replied. After some comments, we reached an impasse and I thought a third opinion was needed.

I requested a third opinion from Morbidthoughts and notified Abrvagl. I specifically choose someone who's an established third-party, who agreed both with me and Abrvagl in the past depending on the situation not the user. Clear examples when Abrvagl wanted to remove something and took it to BLP just not so recently; Misplaced Pages:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive339#Saadat_Kadyrova (, ), and when Morbidthoughts replied to my thread in BLP Misplaced Pages:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Hidayat_Orujov.

Today, Abrvagl accuses me of canvassing. I honestly don't know if this user legitimately has short memory problems, because it shouldn't have been hard to remember that Morbidthoughts agreed with them not so recently in two separate occasions. How is this canvassing? I barely know Morbidthoughts and only from BLP noticeboards and I specifically choose someone established, third-party, impartial. This is just another bad faith passive-aggressive accusation. For the record, I could've taken this to WP:THIRD, but then it would take too long to get picked up and in some instances, not to be picked up at all (as seen by Abrvagl himself who had to add a separate issue twice), and I personally thought this was a simple matter that Abrvagl refused to see. I made the request itself as impartial as possible. I honestly don't know when enough is enough of this user's continued bad faith accusations. I feel attacked even though I tried my best and took good faith measures to solve our issues. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 18:05, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Hut 8.5 thanks for the comment. While I agree that I could've used better tone in that particular example, in all fairness, it's a diff from half a year ago. And it was a content issue at core, which I solved with the user (Abrvagl wasn't even in the discussion) a long time ago. For context, the authorities were added back by the user themselves after the talk discussion . ZaniGiovanni (talk) 19:01, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Statement by (username)

Result concerning ZaniGiovanni

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

The 3O was by someone that had been here 2 or 3 weeks with 200 edits, so it's hard for me to even understand why they are giving 3rd opinions, making ignoring it utterly forgivable. The other stuff seems to be backed with diffs and falls under "content dispute", which I have no comment on. Adding a sentence once isn't an example of battleground or WP:TE. Commenting on someone having their topic ban lifted and making huge edits as problematic isn't harassing them. It might be snarky, but that is about it. I haven't looked deeper than the diffs you provided, as I assume you have provided the worst offenses, yet I don't see any bright line violations. Some heat is expected when editing in controversial topic area. Based on this, I would recommend no action, and just remind ZaniGiovanni that being snarky isn't helpful. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 18:57, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
I've had a look at the headline diffs and I agree with Dennis Brown - while the tone of some of the comments isn't very good (e.g. ), these are largely content disputes. Discretionary sanctions are mainly intended for behavioural problems, and the bar for applying them for content edits is very high. Hut 8.5 18:23, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Kurds and Kurdistan

As this is a sanction from a final decision, it is not eligible for appeal to AE. I have transferred it to the correct venue - WP:ARC. Barkeep49 (talk) 19:19, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Thepharoah17 Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found here. According to the procedures, a "clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved administrators" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action. To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see WP:UNINVOLVED). Appealing user Thepharoah17 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) – Thepharoah17 (talk) 04:47, 11 July 2022 (UTC) Sanction being appealed Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds and Kurdistan#Thepharoah17 topic-banned Administrator imposing the sanction ArbCom (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) Notification of that administrator The appealing editor is asked to notify the administrator who made the enforcement action of this appeal, and then to replace this text with a diff of that notification. The appeal may not be processed otherwise. If a block is appealed, the editor moving the appeal to this board should make the notification. Statement by Thepharoah17 I got a one year topic ban in this area and would like to appeal the ban. Apparently, my editing was disruptive and I pledge to change that. I never meant any harm with my edits. In any case, I just took a seven month break from Misplaced Pages and am ready to contribute positively. I was kind of busy in the past few months. If you let me back, I promise I will contribute positively. There was a sockpuppet that I was dealing with and things may have gotten a bit messy but I promise there will be no disruption from me. You can look at my talk page history and see that I have never been disruptive. By the way, I am not sure if I am appealing this the right way or if I have to appeal to the arbitration committee i.e. I did not know what to put for 'user imposing the sanction' so I just put ArbCom. The only reason I am topic banned is because there was a sockpuppet and because Levivich did a witch hunt (and did not even get one of the diffs correct). Go through my talk page history and you will find almost no warnings. You want to extend the topic ban, go ahead. I fully swear 100% to god that I have NEVER been disruptive. That case was opened by a banned user. That one month block btw, I’m not sure what it was for i.e. I think it was supposed to be an arbitration block but it was because a user went forum shopping. I am telling you I am 100% innocent. The block on the French wiki was because I was reverting a sockpuppet's edits on that wiki. I am telling you, though, I am 100% innocent. If you do not believe me, that is your choice. The topic ban is not even possible. Banned users cannot open arb cases. Do whatever you want. Honestly, I don’t even know why I even came back. The whole thing is just weird but again do whatever you want. Banned users cannot open arb cases and users like Levivich cannot do (or are not supposed to be allowed to do witch hunts). Before that point, I had NEVER really had any warnings. He did a witch hunt and portrayed me as a disruptive editor. I am telling you, though, I am not a disruptive editor. Believe whoever you want. It is your choice. Thepharoah17 (talk) 22:17, 11 July 2022 (UTC) I'm really just a poor guy who was hoping to make positive contributions to Misplaced Pages. If you believe I am disruptive, then I don't know what to tell you. BTW the only reason I was topic banned was because I reverted a sockpuppet. Thepharoah17 (talk) 22:21, 11 July 2022 (UTC) Statement by ArbCom Statement by Levivich Two things I'd like to raise: First, the last edit Thepharoah17 made prior to posting this request is this from Dec. 6, which I won't characterize, but I think reviewing admins should read. Second, I think it would help to see a few examples from the past year where Thepharoah17 has resolved a content dispute with another editor, or at least engaged in discussion of content with another editor, to demonstrate that their approach has indeed changed from the approach that led to the TBAN. Levivich 18:34, 11 July 2022 (UTC) For convenience of those reviewing this and the next appeal, and maybe for Pharoah's benefit, let me quote WP:KURDS#Thepharoah17: 4) Thepharoah17 has shown a battleground mentality with respect to Kurds and Kurdistan topic area: they attempted to sidetrack concerns about their article-writing due to an unrelated bias from the other editor, and claimed they have no further interest in the topic yet returned to make similar edits shortly thereafter. Thepharoah17 has edited tendentiously in the topic area by seeking to erase Kurdish names and mentions of Kurdistan,, pushing an anti-Kurd POV, and drawing equivalencies between Kurdish groups and the Islamic State. Passed 12 to 0 at 14:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC) Since then, we've seen the same behavior on the French Misplaced Pages (where he was blocked for erasing Kurdish names in favor of Arabic ones), in the Dec. 6 posting linked above ("I really do not care about all about Kurdistan nor do I really know anything about it" yet here he is seeking to edit the topic area again), and in this AE appeal (sidetracking concerns about their article-writing: "The only reason I am topic banned is because there was a sockpuppet and because Levivich did a witch hunt..."). Levivich 19:05, 12 July 2022 (UTC) Statement by (involved editor 1) Statement by (involved editor 2) Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Thepharoah17 Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks. Statement by (uninvolved editor 1) Statement by (uninvolved editor 2) Result of the appeal by Thepharoah17 This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above. The topic ban was placed in February 2021 with a note that it can be appealed after 12 months. They were blocked for a week by El_C for violating the topic ban in March 2021 which they unsuccessfully appealed here. They were block again in May 2021, this time for 1 month, following this AE thread. This clearly shows the claim that they have never been disruptive to be incorrect. Looking at their talk page, it seems there have been several issues relating to deletion since then but none have been in the area of the topic ban. However, this appeal is their first (and so far only) contribution to the project since December when they were indefinitely blocked on the French Misplaced Pages for Kurdistan-related disruption. All this together, and particularly the last two points, mean I'm leaning towards not accepting the appeal now - I'd prefer to see another 6 months of clearly good editing in other topic areas first. Thryduulf (talk) 08:35, 11 July 2022 (UTC) I'm really just a poor guy who was hoping to make positive contributions to Misplaced Pages. you are free to make positive contributions to Misplaced Pages about every other subject you can think of. If you believe I am disruptive, then I don't know what to tell you. It's not about telling us things, the evidence of your contributions shows that you very much were disruptive. You need to show us, through your edits, that you no longer are. BTW the only reason I was topic banned was because I reverted a sockpuppet. Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds and Kurdistan#Thepharoah17 makes it clear that the basis for your topic ban was not just "reverting a sock puppet". In order for your topic ban to be lifted you need to demonstrate three things: That you understand why your past behaviour was disruptive That you are now able to make positive contributions to the encyclopaedia without being disruptive That if the topic ban is lifted you wont return to the behaviour that resulted in the topic ban in the first place. Regarding point 1, not only have you not demonstrated this, it's becoming clear that you don't (or possibly don't want to) understand this; with no recent edits we have no evidence on which to evaluate point 2, but your edits from December do not make a good case for you. The lack of recent edits also make point 3 hard to judge, but your actions on the French Misplaced Pages after being topic banned here and your lack of understanding of why your actions were disruptive don't fill me with confidence. I'm now a firm decline. Thryduulf (talk) 23:16, 11 July 2022 (UTC) I would oppose removing the tban at this time. Our first obligation is to the reader, then the editors contributing to those articles in a positive way. I don't see lifting the tban as helping either group, given the statements, prior blocks and insufficient time actually contributing in a constructive manner. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 20:10, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

As this is a sanction from a final decision, it is not eligible for appeal to AE. I have transferred it to the correct venue - WP:ARC. Barkeep49 (talk) 19:19, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Thepharoah17

Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found here. According to the procedures, a "clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved administrators" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action.

To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see WP:UNINVOLVED).

Appealing user: Thepharoah17 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) – Thepharoah17 (talk) 04:47, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Sanction being appealed: Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds and Kurdistan#Thepharoah17 topic-banned

Administrator imposing the sanction: ArbCom (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Notification of that administrator: The appealing editor is asked to notify the administrator who made the enforcement action of this appeal, and then to replace this text with a diff of that notification. The appeal may not be processed otherwise. If a block is appealed, the editor moving the appeal to this board should make the notification.

Statement by Thepharoah17

I got a one year topic ban in this area and would like to appeal the ban. Apparently, my editing was disruptive and I pledge to change that. I never meant any harm with my edits. In any case, I just took a seven month break from Misplaced Pages and am ready to contribute positively. I was kind of busy in the past few months. If you let me back, I promise I will contribute positively. There was a sockpuppet that I was dealing with and things may have gotten a bit messy but I promise there will be no disruption from me. You can look at my talk page history and see that I have never been disruptive. By the way, I am not sure if I am appealing this the right way or if I have to appeal to the arbitration committee i.e. I did not know what to put for 'user imposing the sanction' so I just put ArbCom.

The only reason I am topic banned is because there was a sockpuppet and because Levivich did a witch hunt (and did not even get one of the diffs correct). Go through my talk page history and you will find almost no warnings. You want to extend the topic ban, go ahead. I fully swear 100% to god that I have NEVER been disruptive. That case was opened by a banned user. That one month block btw, I’m not sure what it was for i.e. I think it was supposed to be an arbitration block but it was because a user went forum shopping. I am telling you I am 100% innocent. The block on the French wiki was because I was reverting a sockpuppet's edits on that wiki. I am telling you, though, I am 100% innocent. If you do not believe me, that is your choice. The topic ban is not even possible. Banned users cannot open arb cases. Do whatever you want. Honestly, I don’t even know why I even came back. The whole thing is just weird but again do whatever you want. Banned users cannot open arb cases and users like Levivich cannot do (or are not supposed to be allowed to do witch hunts). Before that point, I had NEVER really had any warnings. He did a witch hunt and portrayed me as a disruptive editor. I am telling you, though, I am not a disruptive editor. Believe whoever you want. It is your choice. Thepharoah17 (talk) 22:17, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm really just a poor guy who was hoping to make positive contributions to Misplaced Pages. If you believe I am disruptive, then I don't know what to tell you. BTW the only reason I was topic banned was because I reverted a sockpuppet. Thepharoah17 (talk) 22:21, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Statement by ArbCom

Statement by Levivich

Two things I'd like to raise: First, the last edit Thepharoah17 made prior to posting this request is this from Dec. 6, which I won't characterize, but I think reviewing admins should read. Second, I think it would help to see a few examples from the past year where Thepharoah17 has resolved a content dispute with another editor, or at least engaged in discussion of content with another editor, to demonstrate that their approach has indeed changed from the approach that led to the TBAN. Levivich 18:34, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

For convenience of those reviewing this and the next appeal, and maybe for Pharoah's benefit, let me quote WP:KURDS#Thepharoah17:

4) Thepharoah17 has shown a battleground mentality with respect to Kurds and Kurdistan topic area: they attempted to sidetrack concerns about their article-writing due to an unrelated bias from the other editor, and claimed they have no further interest in the topic yet returned to make similar edits shortly thereafter. Thepharoah17 has edited tendentiously in the topic area by seeking to erase Kurdish names and mentions of Kurdistan,, pushing an anti-Kurd POV, and drawing equivalencies between Kurdish groups and the Islamic State.
Passed 12 to 0 at 14:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Since then, we've seen the same behavior on the French Misplaced Pages (where he was blocked for erasing Kurdish names in favor of Arabic ones), in the Dec. 6 posting linked above ("I really do not care about all about Kurdistan nor do I really know anything about it" yet here he is seeking to edit the topic area again), and in this AE appeal (sidetracking concerns about their article-writing: "The only reason I am topic banned is because there was a sockpuppet and because Levivich did a witch hunt..."). Levivich 19:05, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Statement by (involved editor 1)

Statement by (involved editor 2)

Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Thepharoah17

Statement by (uninvolved editor 1)

Statement by (uninvolved editor 2)

Result of the appeal by Thepharoah17

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

The topic ban was placed in February 2021 with a note that it can be appealed after 12 months. They were blocked for a week by El_C for violating the topic ban in March 2021 which they unsuccessfully appealed here. They were block again in May 2021, this time for 1 month, following this AE thread. This clearly shows the claim that they have never been disruptive to be incorrect. Looking at their talk page, it seems there have been several issues relating to deletion since then but none have been in the area of the topic ban. However, this appeal is their first (and so far only) contribution to the project since December when they were indefinitely blocked on the French Misplaced Pages for Kurdistan-related disruption. All this together, and particularly the last two points, mean I'm leaning towards not accepting the appeal now - I'd prefer to see another 6 months of clearly good editing in other topic areas first. Thryduulf (talk) 08:35, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
I'm really just a poor guy who was hoping to make positive contributions to Misplaced Pages. you are free to make positive contributions to Misplaced Pages about every other subject you can think of.

If you believe I am disruptive, then I don't know what to tell you. It's not about telling us things, the evidence of your contributions shows that you very much were disruptive. You need to show us, through your edits, that you no longer are.

BTW the only reason I was topic banned was because I reverted a sockpuppet. Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds and Kurdistan#Thepharoah17 makes it clear that the basis for your topic ban was not just "reverting a sock puppet".
In order for your topic ban to be lifted you need to demonstrate three things:
1. That you understand why your past behaviour was disruptive
2. That you are now able to make positive contributions to the encyclopaedia without being disruptive
3. That if the topic ban is lifted you wont return to the behaviour that resulted in the topic ban in the first place.
Regarding point 1, not only have you not demonstrated this, it's becoming clear that you don't (or possibly don't want to) understand this; with no recent edits we have no evidence on which to evaluate point 2, but your edits from December do not make a good case for you. The lack of recent edits also make point 3 hard to judge, but your actions on the French Misplaced Pages after being topic banned here and your lack of understanding of why your actions were disruptive don't fill me with confidence. I'm now a firm decline. Thryduulf (talk) 23:16, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
I would oppose removing the tban at this time. Our first obligation is to the reader, then the editors contributing to those articles in a positive way. I don't see lifting the tban as helping either group, given the statements, prior blocks and insufficient time actually contributing in a constructive manner. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 20:10, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Ghazaalch

Request concerning Ghazaalch

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Iraniangal777 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 18:07, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: Ghazaalch (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log

Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Iranian politics

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

WP:CRP: Ghazaalch has been edit-warring their preferred version into this article non-stop: Content 1: (----) and Content 2: (---)

WP:NPOV. Ghazaalch does this while removing other content (from the same sources) without proper explanation: (-----)

Many warnings (at first they appear to have self-reverted, but now they seem to have lost any regard for policy): (---)

Ghazaalch's other disruption: tampering RFCs (--), not giving explanations in the talk page when asked to explain reverts (-), making false narratives (), stonewalling (-), and other forms of WP:GAMING (such as WP:BADFAITHNEG ). There is also WP:Tag-teaming, all of which can be discussed if anybody wants, but the above may be the worst of it since at this point Ghazaalch seems to have lost any regard for policy (particularly WP:CRP). Even today they edit-warred this again using a trumped-up edit summary.

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

Date Explanation
Date Explanation

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

CASE from a month ago.
Their Talk page also shows a couple of alerts about discretionary sanctions in this are of conflict.
Participated in an arbitration request or enforcement procedure about the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on 22:49, 25 July 2021.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Done.

Discussion concerning Ghazaalch

Statement by Ghazaalch

I won't need to defend myself if the administrators had enough time to go through the discussions in the talk-page, since as I said in a previous Arbitration the main problem with this page is that there is no admin to watch it, so pro-MeK users feel free to do what they like. Here is the summary of the discussion that made Iraniangal777 to bring the case here:

Revert of names's discussion starts with Vice regent's objection that TheDreamBoat shouldn't have deleted the English versions of Mojahedin-e-Khalq i.e. People Strugglers& Holy Warriors
TheDreamBoat's response is that the translation is not among the most common names used for MeK
VR asks that How many sources do you require to show you that "People's Strugglers" has been a commonly used name for the organization? and provides 25 sources that uses the "People Strugglers" and "Holy Warriors"
TheDreamBoat's answer starts with Hi Tia, Could you please click on this link, and add the following there (at the bottom) which shows he is editing on behalf of a blocked pro-MeK user.(see Stefka Bulgaria, BarcrMac and Idealigic for the pro-MeK users who were topic-banned before the new ones Fad Ariff, TheDreamBoat, Hogo-2020 and Iraniangal777 emerged) However the reasons that was copy-pasted into the talk page by the proxy was that the 25 sources provided by VR used "MeK" as a common name other than "People Strugglers" and "Holy Warriors"
VR's response is that no one is disputed the "MEK" name for the organization, I'm only saying that alternative names are also commonly used
TheDreamBoat was topic-banned by then, so another pro-MeK user (Ypatch) continued the discussion but provided no reason other than the section doesn't need more name variations
Then it became obvious that Ypatch himself was topic-banned, so another pro-Mek user (Hogo-2020) continued discussion but gave no reason independent of those given by previous users. Because, as I said in a previous arbitration pro-MeK users don't want to reach consensus. They just discuss, or better say, write something, no matter what it is, to show that they are not convinced, and that there is no consensus yet; meaning you cannot add anything to the article; and since there is no moderator to implement the consensus, they are not worried about the way discussions goes on. So I gave up the discussion.
Three months later I happened to read a comment by Apaugasma, so I came to know that per WP:BLOCKEVASION I could revert the deletion by TheDreamBoat, because he had been editing on behalf of a blocked user
So I reverted TheDreamBoat's deletion, then the edit war started. Now I know that I should have brought the case here instead of involving in edit war.

Being reported by a did-nothing-but-reverting-account, I would also like to summarize another discussion in which pro-MeK users are Gaming the system, deliberately using Misplaced Pages:Consensus required policy to remove a well sourced content, if you let me exceed 500 words limit.

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GoodDay

Request concerning GoodDay

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Sideswipe9th (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 21:05, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: GoodDay (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

GoodDay posts "friendly advice" on Newimpartial's talk page, casting aspersions of them being a SPA
Thirteen minutes later, on his talk page GoodDay pings Newimpartial.
Newimpartial replies to the suggestion and the ping.
GoodDay removes Newimpartial's reply with summary Don't ya just hate it. When someone 'reverts' you off their talkpage.
GoodDay makes note of a one sided application of ds/alert notifications
I comment on the aspersion in diff 5, to which GoodDay replies with a non-sequitur about misuse of MOS:GENDERID
GoodDay returns to aspersions about an editor.
GoodDay posts a brief forum style message that is only tangentially related to the current state of the discussion
GoodDay pointedly states he has no intention to respond to posts by Newimpartial on any talk page.
GoodDay comments on the hatting at Talk:Jordan Peterson, misgendering Newimpartial despite being aware of their pronouns and having made a oblique comment on it on 10 July.
In response to the forum comment being hatted, GoodDay refers to the editor who hatted it as "it" on another user's talk page (Springee)
After a request from Newimpartial relating to diff 11, GoodDay amends the comment with an edit summary We must always be 'PC', of course.

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

GoodDay warned by El C on 1 July 2022 saying Your comments on this matter on various pages are skirting the line.

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Received the BLP sanctions alert on 21 June 2022
Received the GENSEX sanctions alert on 12 July 2022
Formally warned by El C on 1 July 2022 relating to conduct in GENSEX content area
Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive299#Statement_by_GoodDay Contributed to the Maneesh GENSEX enforcement request in December 2021

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

With the diffs above, I've focused on a protracted back and forth between GoodDay and Newimpartial over the last 7 days. However GoodDay's conduct in these topic areas has been disruptive for some time. As noted by El C on 1 July, GoodDay has been making many frequent short disruptive comments relating to the GENSEX content area, across many talk pages for a substantial amount of time. I can present diffs of examples, but to do so I'd need a word and diff limit extension. Sideswipe9th (talk) 21:05, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Notification of this request.

Discussion concerning GoodDay

Statement by GoodDay

I request a topic-ban from discussions about the LGBTQ (Gensex) topic and any form of an interaction ban, between myself, Sideswipe9th & Newimpartial. Note: I haven't & don't, add or remove material from LGBTQ (Gensex) pages, directly concerning LGBTQ issues. GoodDay (talk) 21:08, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

I've learned a few things in the last few hours & so I've rescinded my t-ban request. I wish only for the aforementioned 'interaction' bans. GoodDay (talk) 04:26, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

If this is all about 'pronouns'? It would help to know exactly 'what' pronouns are being requested. Otherwise, I don't know what I can & can't use. Overall, my preference is to use an editor's name, to avoid the apparent minefield. GoodDay (talk) 05:02, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Furthermore, if this is about something I posted way back in Dec 2020? on an BLP? I've no intentions of doing so again, as I don't need reaction(s) that would come with it. GoodDay (talk) 05:19, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Back to pronouns. I shall never call you 'it' again & I apologise, as I didn't realise it was a 'hurtful' term. Where I live, the word is used often, even among my own family, towards each other. GoodDay (talk) 05:30, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

I prefer to use editors' "names", rather then pronouns. At this point Newimpartial, I'm going to ask you to stop & let us 'walk away' from each other. GoodDay (talk) 05:38, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

What EXACTLY is it that you want from me? GoodDay (talk) 06:01, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Statement by Springee

I've been watching Newimpartial and to a lesser extent Sideswipe9th. I've been concerned that Newimpartial engages in behavior that tends to provoke editors. This is especially true when it appear the other editor is starting to lose their cool. Consider just a few weeks back when Clicriffhard was reported for edit warring. The editor was given a 24hr block for violating a 3RR on a talk page. Newimpartial continued to prod Clicriffhard after the block was in place . When it was clear they were not welcome they continued . Newimpartial also pinged Clicriffhard to NI's own talk page after it was clear they were not welcome on Clicriffhard's own page . Eventually Acroterion told Newimpartial to knock if off .

Newimpartial's behavior towards GoodDay was similar. They followed GoodDay to another editor's talk page where they offered what appears to be an unwelcome interjection . Here is an example where they interjected themselves into a discussion on GoodDay's page . When that edit was reverted , NI responded with a null edit and an edit summary which of course can't be removed . Newimpartial decided one of GoodDay's comments was off topic and thus collapsed it . Collapsing the article talk page comments of someone you are arguing with certainly is not a great way to calm things down. While the comment wasn't strictly on point I don't think it violated FORUM and certainly no more than Newimpartial's own comment just a few edits later .

I don't think Newimpartial and to a lesser extent Sideswipe9th should be rewarded for needling editors to the point where they cross a line in frustration/exasperation. Newimpartial has only one block for edit warring but a number of editors have come to their talk page with behavioral concerns., , ,

I will admit, accusations != actual violations but it does appear Newimpartial is rubbing a lot of editors the wrong way.

A. C. Santacruz warned Newimpartial about civility just a few months back .

This doesn't mean GoodDay didn't (or did) violate a behavior guideline, only that I think looking only at GoodDay without considering the Newimpartial's behavior is a mistake. I would suggest nothing more than a clear warning for all involved. Springee (talk) 02:48, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Newimparital, your highlighted comments illustrate one of the issues with your editing. You have taken a disagreement related to content and tried to turn it into a morality dispute. You are trying to contrast disagreements related to the quality of sources, a discussion that is absolutely allowed, with trying to needle an editor with whom you disagree thus creating an opportunity to use behavioral sanctions to achieve victory in what should be a basic content dispute. It is also important to note you are falsely presenting my arguments. Springee (talk) 04:27, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

As a further example of Newimpartial needling GoodDay, after this ARE was opened Newimpartial again injected themselves into a discussion on GoodDay's talk page even after they state they assume GoodDay doesn't want to talk with them (something I believe GoodDay said on one of the article talk pages). I understand the desire to get in the last word. Excusable when the debate is content related. When it seems to be little more than continuing the fight it becomes very easy to understand how the other party might slip and break a rule. Springee (talk) 04:39, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Statement by Newimpartial

Springee - if you are suggesting a clear warning for all involved, are you including yourself in that? Because you are as involved in the antagonism on Talk:Jordan Peterson as is any other editor. You have:

minimized the incident that got Peterson removed from Twitter, as though it were about "altering common speech to placate revisionist language", rather than the site's policy against hateful speech
recommended that the article rely on editors' own assessments of the impact of Peterson's primary sources because you found the peer-reviewed SECONDARY piece I cited "less than impressive"
suggested that LGBTQ Nation "would not be impartial enough" to lend WEIGHT to a quote you wanted kept out of article text
argued that "the substance of Peterson's reply" to the Twitter ban should be given a prominence in the article it lacks in the available independent RS
insisted that the higher bar for the inclusion of deadnames in quotations (established in a widely participated RfC) was "a bar of (my) own invention", after receiving my explanation, doubled down with "So this is a bar of (my) own making" - dismissing my comment without responding to its actual basis in policy- and tripled down with a bar that I was setting, rather than a decision made in a community process.

This is a very clear pattern of POV engagement on your part, on a culture war topic that is part of the GENSEX sanctions area, and your drawing attention to encounters I've had months and years before - while not acknowledging your own provocative participation in the very same Talk discussions where you are accusing me of provoking GoodDay - is, ahem, somewhat inconsistent. (And certainly my "Woke Moralists" band name comment, which you cited above, has not contributed to aggravating the tone of discussion on that Talk page the way your consistent choice to let your POV outweigh policy considerations in your comments has done.) Newimpartial (talk) 04:19, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Springee, you say here that I have presented your arguments falsely. If so, I have never done so intentionally, and I am unaware of any explanation you have given that would clarify that anything in my presentation above was misleading.

Concerning trying to needle an editor with whom you disagree thus creating an opportunity to use behavioral sanctions to achieve victory in what should be a basic content dispute - I have never done this, and it seems like a rather serious, unfounded accusation to which both WP:NPA and WP:ASPERSIONS apply. Why are you accusing me of this? I am not trying to achieve victory at Jordan Peterson (or anywhere else); I have shown flexibility with respect to article text and have adhered carefully to the need to align sources with policy considerations in that domain. You, on the other hand, have chosen not to acknowledge policies that mitigates against the preferences dictated by what you would like to see in the article text, whether that has to do with sourcing requirements, MOS:DEADNAME and WP:BLP policies, or whatever, and have dismissed sources with which you disagree as "partisan" while simply ignoring sources (such as the National Post) that you cannot dismiss in this way.

Your accusation that I have taken a disagreement related to content and tried to turn it into a morality dispute is quite absurd, as the only piece of argumentation where I can even imagine that charge being made was my response to your attempt to minimize the seriousness of the events that got Peterson removed from Twitter, and even then, my statement that you don't seem to be taking this incident as seriously as Twitter, or the RS, are taking it is far from establishing me a woke moralist, I suspect. Newimpartial (talk) 04:46, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Also, Springee, in this comment you seem to have missed the order of the two edits you offer as diffs, thus reversing the sequence and the signification. It was the edit summary by GoodDay in response to the earlier one that told me I was unwelcome on his Talk, which he had never communicated to me before. Newimpartial (talk) 04:49, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

On proposed remedies

For my part, any remedy that prevents GoodDay from (1) misgendering me and (2) casting ASPERSIONS on my conduct and my editing, going forward, would be much appreciated.

The one other comment I have about the 1-way IBAN approach is that, because these can only cover editors named in the ban, there is nothing in that sanction to discourage GoodDay from engaging in misgendering with other editors not named in the ban. Because my negative interaction with GoodDay began when he gratuitously misgendered a BLP subject on Talk - the reaction to which he has frequently referred to as censorship, presumably by "woke moralists" - I would like to know, at a minimum, that he has no current intention of doing that to anyone else on-wiki. Newimpartial (talk) 04:58, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

GoodDay, you referred to me as "it" less than 24 hours ago, for which you have not apologized. The idea that you would not do it again because it isn't worth the aggro is not really the expected or desired consequence, in terms of WP:CIVIL. Newimpartial (talk) 05:26, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Also, GoodDay, while I see this as a step forward, your statement is still very narrowly circumscribed. In the context of a possible IBAN, my concern is that you may feel moved to misgender *other* editors, possibly by using terms ofher than "it". Newimpartial (talk) 05:33, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

This statement by GoodDay leaves me concerned that he is likely to engage in further disruption in the GENSEX topic area, since he apparently does not underhand why misgendering is understood by the WP community as disruptive. Newimpartial (talk) 05:58, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Statement by Crossroads

Keeping this on topic: Having read through the above, I believe a logged topic-related warning and especially the IBANs which GoodDay has voluntarily offered to do is sufficient. If the issues continue, then a topic ban can easily be done, but as it is this should be fitting. Crossroads 04:50, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

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Result concerning GoodDay

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Sounds like a topic ban from GENSEX, broadly construed and a one way iban from Sideswipe9th & Newimpartial would solve the problems, which are a problem. As a bonus, it fits your criteria, although that isn't the primary concern. I could agree to that. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 01:50, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Volunteer Marek

Request concerning Volunteer Marek

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Levivich (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 02:35, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: Volunteer Marek (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

WP:BLPDS. The "pro-Putin" language might also bring this into WP:ARBEE.

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

Mar 20, 2022: This is Volunteer Marek's (VM) first edit to the article. It adds Her views have been described as far-left, pro-Assadist, and pro-Putin. The edit summary says "this was removed by IPs, reverted, removed again etc, until it got missed - restoring". This appears to be a reference to a content dispute from over three years ago in January 2019. A talk page discussion was started Jan 29, 2019 at Talk:Rania Khalek#This is shameful, and "Her views have been described as left-wing/far-left, pro-Syrian government, pro-Palestinian, and pro-Russia." was removed Jan 29, 2019 15:43. As far as I can tell, that content stayed out until Marek restored it on March 20, 2022.
The history shows four edits to the article between VM's edits to the article ending March 20 07:29, and July 5.
Jul 5 13:36: the edit is remove by Pinkville with edit summary removing a non-NPOV sentence from the first paragraph and adding it to the Talk page. Its contents can be reinserted in a more appropriate section (e.g. "Criticism". Pinkville also made this post to the talk page, in the same thread from 2019.
Jul 5 13:45: Philip Cross restores the content, but places it in the body, not the lead
Jul 5 18:53: VM moves the content from the body, and puts it back to the lead.
Jul 5 18:57: Burrobert removes the content, referencing WP:LABELS and the talk page discussion in the edit summary
Jul 5 20:02: VM restores the content
Jul 10 22:15: Huldra removes the content (and replaces it with a different description/source) with edit summary "see talk"; she starts another talk page discussion at Talk:Rania Khalek#The lead
Jul 10 23:01: VM restores the content
Jul 11 23:06: Huldra removes the content with edit summary "See talk, and pr WP:ONUS: start a WP:RfC if you want to include this stuff".
Jul 11 23:58: VM restores the content with edit summary "Nah, nah, nah. This “UNDUE” business is an obvious false excuse for reverting since you’re fine with her views being summarized in the first place. And with 9 RS in there (more can be easily added but don’t want to ref bomb) the “ONUS” argument is weak sauce too"
Jul 13 21:51: I remove the content, with edit summary "Disputed content stays out until there is consensus for inclusion, per ONUS. This is especially true of controversial statements about BLPs. Next person to reinstate this without consensus gets a trip to AE."
Jul 14 01:06: VM restores the content with edit summary "the material is well sourced, the purpose of the lede is precisely to summarize a person's views, there's 9 sources there, all reliable and trying to defend your WP:IJUSTDONTLIKEIT edits with threats and intimidation in edit summaries fails several Misplaced Pages policies"
Jul 14 01:26: VM posts to the article talk page asking me to "explain how you got here" and accusing me of edit warring, "trying to find an excuse to file another (spurious) WP:AE report against an editor that you have a contentious history with" and "stir it up with your ol' friends and pour some cans of gasoline on some fires that had nothing to do with you"

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

I don't know about any BLPDS sanctions. Previously sanctioned in WP:EEML.

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

Previously sanctioned in the EE topic area
Alerted to EE DS June 27, 2022
Alerted to BLP DS July 14, 2022 00:31

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

I think the only AE report I've ever filed before, ironically, was 3 years ago against Huldra. I don't think I've ever taken VM to AE before; I did take him to COIN last year, where there was consensus he had a COI, but that was unrelated to this.

FYI, On July 5, the subject posted about this on Twitter, where she has 250k followers. Levivich 02:35, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

he tried to drag me before ARBCOM and ANI numerous times before is not true. Maybe I'm forgetting something, but I've never tried to drag VM before Arbcom or ANI before. I remember this ANEW, this COIN, both from Nov 2021, and I think this is the third. Levivich 03:30, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Special:Diff/1098074760

Discussion concerning Volunteer Marek

Statement by Volunteer Marek

Aside from linking to some edits, Levivich fails to explain exactly what is supposed to be wrong with any of these edits. The text was there going back to at least 2019 although it got bounced around the in the article. When I put it back in the lede there were 7 reliable sources supporting it. I added two more making it 9. Now there's 11 reliable sources supporting the summary (indeed, it's earned an "excessive citations" tag)

Couple notes:

1. As mentioned on talk, Levivich never edited the article before. As is well known we've had some very serious disputes before, in particular before WP:ARBCOM. His sudden appearance in a middle of my disagreement with another editor looks very much like WP:STALK and a lame attempt at getting payback/restarting old fights.

2. I've been trying not to make too much fuss about it, but one of the other editors who tried to remove the text from the article, User:Pinkville was canvassed off-wiki to perform that edit on someone else's behalf. As soon as an admin comments here I will send the evidence privately. Since they made only one revert though, personally I'd let it slide with a warning.

3. There's some substantial WP:COI editing on the article by one of the subject's co-workers/employees/co-authors, with a clear attempt at POVing the article. My edit was the first step to try to undo some of that. Since those edits were made under a username which is potentially identifiable to a real person I'll refrain from linking the specific edits here but will send the diffs to any admin who comments here.

Anyway, this report by Levivich is just petty and vindictive and about as spurious as they come. They know it too which is why they engage in this pre-emptive "I don't think I've ever taken VM to AE before" (no, but he tried to drag me before ARBCOM and ANI numerous times before and anyone who's been around for any amount of time knows the whole sorry Icewhiz-related story). Honestly, this deserves WP:BOOMERANG on account of the WP:STALKing and WP:BATTLEGROUND by Levivich. Volunteer Marek 02:58, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

he tried to drag me before ARBCOM and ANI numerous times before is not true. Oh my god Levivich, are you seriously going to pretend that there isn't some serious history here? Somehow you conveniently "forgot" your part in this little ArbCom fiasco (in which you played a HUGE role in agitating against me). I mean, for cow's sake, you wrote... let me check ... 2400 words (words, not characters) there demanding sanctions against me (was rejected), but now you're here with this little "Volunteer Who? Barely heard of them before!" act? Seriously? Volunteer Marek 03:45, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Statement by Nableezy

Rania Khalek is not in WP:ARBEE, it is however in ARBPIA (and ARBBLP). I dont see where he was notified of the ARBPIA sanctions however. His ARBBLP notification was made today and postdates all but the final two diffs. I also dont see where an explicit claim of a BLP violation was made here, just a nebulous claim that it is contentious material. I dont see how this merits AE at all, there are only two diff that postdate any relevant DS alert and neither of those two diffs on their own merit anything. As far as "pro-Putin" bringing it in to ARBEE, it might if that were in reference to say Ukraine, but it isnt, it is in reference to Syria, which makes it a WP:GS/SCW issue, but no, not an ARBEE one. Though VM should stop reverting and open an RFC or a thread at NPOV/N to gauge consensus. But there is nothing that merits AE here. nableezy - 02:43, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Statement by GizzyCatBella

So Levivich, you tracked VM to that article, then you made 1 edit (one), quickly followed by see you at AE comment of yours. But what do you have here? Nothing. Looks like it didn't work last time around for you, so you are trying again, don't you? This spurious report deserves a speedy WP:BOOMERANG and I hope you'll get one promptly. - GizzyCatBella🍁 04:41, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

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Result concerning Volunteer Marek

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