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How is still considered too soon if the series will release next week on Prime Video.
Source: https://trendrod.wordpress.com/2024/10/29/julia-montes-sharon-cuneta-comeback-series-saving-grace-heads-to-prime-video-this-november/ 122.55.235.127 (talk) 02:26, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- It will release next week. It hasn't been reviewed. Notability is based on significant coverage by reliable sources, such as reviews. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:53, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Now, that is starting to make sense. I was going to ask that IP user about when it is ready for resubmission, and I'm the one who created the draft article. So, we need to wait until after the show airs next week to resubmit the draft article for review, and we have to provide additional reliable sources besides ABS-CBN, which is considered an original research, as references when expanding the article before that. JRGuevarra (talk) 04:13, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- It will be hard because there are times a series or a movie is out but only ABS-CBN is the only source not a lot of additional sources. It's only often you get these addtional sources. :( 122.55.235.127 (talk) 06:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Now, that is starting to make sense. I was going to ask that IP user about when it is ready for resubmission, and I'm the one who created the draft article. So, we need to wait until after the show airs next week to resubmit the draft article for review, and we have to provide additional reliable sources besides ABS-CBN, which is considered an original research, as references when expanding the article before that. JRGuevarra (talk) 04:13, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
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The RfC that you started, about the composer of the opera I look forward to see today: I believe it should be mentioned on the projects Composers, Classical music and Opera. It seems not well known that, while the former two still have a guideline against infoboxes, it was dropped from project Opera in 2019. - My story is about the opera. Happiness and sadness under music, travel pics under places (unfinished). -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:27, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
Listen today to Beethoven's 3rd cello sonata, on his birthday - it was a hook in the 2020 DYK set when his 250th birthday was remembered. I picked a recording with Antônio Meneses, because he was on my sad list this year, and I was in Brazil (see places), and I love his playing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:01, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
I come to fix the cellist's name, with a 10-years-old DYK and new pics - look for red birds --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:07, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
Today it's a great woman, soprano Sigrid Kehl, and I found a 1963 Christmas Oratorio detail. 10 years earlier than that cycle, Bach wrote seven cantatas for the 1724 season, based on seven songs, - my focus this year. Expect three stories for the three days they celebrated in Leipzig ;) - Enjoy the season! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:50, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
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Dealing someone's personal attack in edit summary
Hi there Robert, I found this discussion you open a decade ago and I just want to get some advise on how you deal it because I'm having the same situation. See their recent contributions. 𝙳.𝟷𝟾𝚝𝚑 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 03:49, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- You also did this to me a few months ago, you're joke with your summary but i never complaint to anybody. Oh my god. Aidillia 04:03, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- User:D.18th, User:Aidillia - Please discuss your issues in a civil manner. It appears that there is an issue about a K-pop group. I don't see a personal attack, although maybe I missed it. Be aware that personal attacks in edit summaries are even more serious than personal attacks on talk pages, because they can only be deleted by admins. What is the issue? Robert McClenon (talk) 04:28, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- I created this redirect page of an upcoming group then the other user created a draft of it then suddenly edited and copy paste the contents from their draft to the redirect page I created then published it after that they moved it to other space in WP to have ownership of content. 𝙳.𝟷𝟾𝚝𝚑 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 04:49, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- User:D.18th, User:Aidillia - This sounds childish. There is now a redirect from Close Your Eyes (group) to Project 7. There is also a draft at Draft:Close Your Eyes (group). The draft is not ready for article space, and both of you can work on improving it. When will the band first either perform and be reviewed or release an album or single that will chart? You can both collaborate. If there is any more quarreling, I may have to file a report at WP:ANI, which might result in both of you getting logged warnings or short blocks. If you don't have a different idea for how to divide the labor, each of you can research the history of some of the band members. Misplaced Pages is big enough for both of you. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:43, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- I created this redirect page of an upcoming group then the other user created a draft of it then suddenly edited and copy paste the contents from their draft to the redirect page I created then published it after that they moved it to other space in WP to have ownership of content. 𝙳.𝟷𝟾𝚝𝚑 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 04:49, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- User:D.18th, User:Aidillia - Please discuss your issues in a civil manner. It appears that there is an issue about a K-pop group. I don't see a personal attack, although maybe I missed it. Be aware that personal attacks in edit summaries are even more serious than personal attacks on talk pages, because they can only be deleted by admins. What is the issue? Robert McClenon (talk) 04:28, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
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Your bludgeoning accusation to me at the DRV for Clock/calendar is a bit off-topic so I'm responding at your talk page. I really don't like repeating myself, but I did so in response to your comment because you mentioned It isn't clear what if anything the appellant wants to change in the outcome.
That was a very confusing comment to me because I felt that I had been very clear in that regard. So I succinctly explained what needs to change in this outcome for your own clarity (along with addressing the red herring policy forum suggestion). That you followed it up with accusations of bludgeoning is perhaps even more confounding. I disagree that I am making a very high number of comments and making the same arguments over and over again. Bludgeoners always have to have the last word
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Happy new year 2025, opened with trumpet fanfares that first sounded OTD in 1725 (as the Main page has). - I saw a lovely opera by Rimsky-Korsakov, - see here. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Liebster Immanuel, Herzog der Frommen, BWV 123, my story today 300 years after the first performance, is up for GAN. Dada Masilo will be my story tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:53, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
My story today is about a composer who influenced music history also by writing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:18, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
... and today, pictured on the Main page, Tosca, in memory of her first appearance on stage OTD in 1900, and of principal author Brian Boulton. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:18, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
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Hi Robert, hope you’re doing well. Letting you know that I’ve returned to Misplaced Pages and I’ll be doing some bits and pieces over at DRN from time to time. I’ve seen a thread about DRN and its effectiveness (closed, since October last year) but it raises some good points that I think should be considered, as our DR processes have changed since I first created DRN 12 years ago. I’d be keen to hear your thoughts too. Speak soon, Steven Crossin 18:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Greetings, User:Steven Crossin. I will provide some thoughts about dispute resolution within the next 48 to 72 hours. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:58, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Some Thoughts on DRN
You, User:Steven Crossin, refer to a thread on the effectiveness of DRN that has been closed since October. I assume that you mean a thread at the DRN talk page that was in August, and, two months later, in October, the originator withdrew it. I completely missed it in August, because I wasn't watching the DRN talk page at the time. I probably wouldn't have said anything in defense of the continued existence of DRN that would have added to what was said. The originator provided some interesting statistics, and I think in good faith missed the point in a few ways. He overestimated the community time that was lost on the misplaced filings. More importantly, he assumed that the filers of the misplaced filings would have somehow found more constructive solutions on their own, when we know that many editors, especially new editors, don't have a clue what to do about a dispute, and can use advice, and he failed to attach value to having a place for volunteers to give advice. I think that one effect of a proposed shutdown of DRN that was not mentioned is that more disputes would go to WP:ANI as a place of first resort, if DRN was eliminated as a place of first resort. Some of those disputes might then go to article talk pages, Wikiprojects, or RFCs, but there would be hard feelings from the WP:ANI thread. I don't think that the originator thought his idea through.
I think that one change to DRN could be to recognize that it has at least two functions in dispute resolution. The first should be as a help desk for advice and possibly quick assistance in answering where to take disputes. The second would be for mediation. The current description of DRN is that it is an informal place that is an early stop in disputes. What other than RFC, WP:ANI, and ArbCom are later stops? When DRN was established, there was MEDCOM. Was there also MEDCAB, or did DRN follow the dissolution of MEDCAB?
Some of the disputes that we listed as closed because they belonged somewhere else may be successes if we think that directing a user to the right place is a success.
What else did you have in mind as the changes that you say there have been in dispute resolution since DRN was created?
I will have more comments, but I think that I should post these now so as to ask you to explain which changes in dispute resolution you were thinking about, and whether you have any specific ideas. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:38, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- So, I've given this a lot of thought over the past few days, and talked about this with quite a few people to get their thoughts on the current state of DRN, and of dispute resolution in general. I'll go in a little bit of a random order to address your thoughts, as I think we are aligned in some ways on how DRN should operate, but vary on perhaps our approach. So, let me give you my (somewhat unstructured thoughts). Way back when in 2011 when I created DRN, it was really designed as a 3O+ - handle content disputes in a relatively lightweight fashion with minimal structure or bureaucracy, and acknowledged the fact that existing dispute resolution processes at the time (which were predominantly MedCab, which I closed after DRN was created and effective), and MedCom (which closed much later) usually had one DR volunteer to many involved editors, which could cause mediator burnout (it required focus from one person over an extended period of time). By creating a relatively unstructured noticeboard (as other noticeboards are), it would allow a many-to-many relationship between dispute resolution volunteers and editors, reducing this burnout and aiding prompt resolution. To me, dispute resolution on Misplaced Pages made sense where disputes had somewhere else to go other than DRN (and not just RFC, and I'll get to my thoughts on that shortly). By having MedCab and MedCom closed, DRN has morphed into a one-stop shop for most content disputes, which is not what it was intended to be (the Autism dispute currently open is a prime example). So now, I consider what's working well at DRN and what I think needs to be improved. DRN 100% should remain a noticeboard that we can direct issues to more suitable forums (in a way, act as triage/traffic control), but in my view, with a less strict adherence to rules than is done presently - the overarching idea behind DRN was to keep it lightweight and super informal. I've mediated some disputes where I have found putting in ground rules and structuring conversations is beneficial, but this is something I've evaluated on a case basis rather than a universal approach. An example of a dispute where I took this approach is here, and while it did spin off to a talk page mediation, I found that the approach I took garnered a fair bit of success, and I relied on overseeing the conversation and steering it was more effective than breaking up conversations into sections and largely restricting users to their own section (e.g. like ArbCom).
- Now, the question in some degree becomes, what is the impact that happens due to this structure. Reflecting on my original design of DRN, and myself as a DR volunteer, I take the Autism dispute as an example, and due to all the conversation being in sections, I can't actually follow the conversation between editors, and that makes it challenging for me as a volunteer to provide additional assistance to the dispute. I'd like to discuss the idea working with you to return DRN to it's original style, and see if that has an impact on the volunteering effort. I'd also like to discuss the use of the term "moderator" as I think what we historically do at DRN is more in line with "mediation" which is a little more involved in shaping the conversation where traditionally, moderation is more about enforcing rules than leading the conversation. I'm also considering reopening MedCab, and referring larger disputes there. Let me know your thoughts - as our main volunteer to DRN, I'm keen to have an open conversation with you on how we can improve our processes. If you're interested in having a chat via email or Discord, I'm happy to do so as well, but of course also happy to chat here. Speak soon, Steven Crossin 05:05, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Hi Robert, just following up the message above. If you’d rather not discuss the above, that’s fine too, just let me know. Thanks, Steven Crossin 18:40, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
Wait Until 21 January
User:Steven Crossin - I will reply in more depth no later than 22 January 2025. I have two higher priorities at this time. The first is unpacking all of my household goods in a new townhouse (well, new for me). The second is writing about the national tragedy, to distribute it no later than 19 January 2025, while I know that I still have freedom of expression, and before I have any specific wrongs to comment about. I am not choosing not to discuss. I am choosing to discuss next week. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:13, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
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- A penny from Offa of Mercia that is authenticated to be approximately 1250 years old and so authentic would be worth far more than a penny. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:09, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
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You have added this to Evan Funke but I think that it has been complete. Can you review it or is it okay if I remove it? VECCHIASFLOGLINA (talk) 11:29, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- User:VECCHIASFLOGLINA - I don't own the merge tag. If you have done the merging, you may use your own judgment in reviewing it and removing the tag. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:17, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
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You closed the request because I submitted it as an ip. Before submitting the motion, I searched to see if it was allowed for ip's to submit motions and found nowhere that it was not allowed. Can you please provide me with the link that confirms that your motion is correct? 188.4.120.7 (talk) 18:39, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- I suggest that you provide me with a link that says that I am not allowed to close a DRN request from an unregistered editor with a shifting IP address. It might be easier to register an account. If you disagree, you can also post an inquiry at the DRN talk page or Village pump (miscellaneous). Robert McClenon (talk) 19:10, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Ιf something is not forbidden, it is allowed. You can't make up new rules yourself. 188.4.120.7 (talk) 20:01, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Hi Robert, I'm afraid I disagree with your thoughts here, I've commented on the posting at WT:DRN and re-opened the dispute which I will happily handle. Steven Crossin 02:31, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- User:Steven Crossin - Okay. I won't handle the dispute, but if another experienced volunteer is ready to handle it, that is all right. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:31, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
Your draft article, Draft:Beuys (disambiguation)
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In accordance with our policy that Misplaced Pages is not for the indefinite hosting of material, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.
Thank you for your submission to Misplaced Pages, and happy editing. Liz 05:58, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
Draft:Caitlin McCarthy (activist)
Sorry, Robert, but I don't get it. Draft:Caitlin McCarthy (activist) and Draft:Caitlin McCarthy is about two different people from opposite sides of the country. I'm not sure why you thought they were the same I don't get the "but there is an article with that title"--sure, but if I (or User:Jamiebuba decline something, there is no need to even check if there is something in mainspace. In fact, I thought there was some automated thing that checked for that, but it doesn't matter. I guess you're criticizing Jamiebuba and me for that?
That the article, in your opinion, makes some kind of valid claim to notability because it has a filmography (I don't think that it does) is irrelevant here--unless you were really trying to say that because the article is on a notable subject, the draft should be notable as well and should thus be merged. Maybe, but they were on different topics, so when you declined it saying "the subject of this article already exists in Misplaced Pages", that was not correct. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 22:23, 15 January 2025 (UTC)