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By the terms of Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Waldorf_education#Pete_K_banned Pete K is banned from editing this Waldorf related page.

If this or any other user page consists of material which relates to the Waldorf Schools it falls within the terms of Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Waldorf_education#Pete_K_banned. If the page concerns ordinary user issues, if does not. Fred Bauder 22:11, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Nonsense. I was banned from Waldorf-related ARTICLES, not my own user page. Can you please point me to some rule that says my user page is considered an "article"? Otherwise, please allow me to restore it. --Pete K 01:21, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

• Forgive my butting in, but the specific remedy in the Arbitration proceeding states: 1) Pete K is banned indefinitely from editing Waldorf education, PLANS, Rudolf Steiner, Anthroposophy, and related pages or their talk pages. The ruling makes no mention of "articles", but does mention "related pages and talk pages". By the exact semantics of the ruling, any page discussing Waldorf would be "related". - Crockspot 01:40, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

No, I believe user page is not related. The dictionary definition of "related" is "being connected; associated". User page with mention of something is not "associated" with that thing. Wooyi 02:05, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

He made it related. Fred Bauder 02:06, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Please consider Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Waldorf_education#Enforcement_by_block. Fred Bauder 02:08, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't quite understand how a user editing a user page has anything to do with said users ban from wikipedia articles and talk pages. The reason for banning users from articles and their talk pages is due to purported violations of wikipedia policy which is hampering wikipedia. Editing ones own talk page to express opinions about articles is totally unrelated to the articles themselves. It's quite a stretch to prevent a user from editing his own talk page because he expresses opinions about other articles on it.Wikidudeman 02:43, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

This is incredible logic Fred. I made my user page related to Waldorf so that makes it an article? I didn't think this situation could get more ridiculous... but you've proven me wrong once again. It's a USER page - I'm using it. Once again - please point me to the rule that says I can't do this. The ban was related to Waldorf articles and their talk pages. I am free to discuss this material on ANY USER page including my own. --Pete K 02:47, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

What was on that page was pure soapbox and for an editor who has been instructed to get down from that soapbox its obvious why Fred did what he did. Good call. Spartaz 05:56, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Nowhere in the initial arbitration does it mention "getting down from a soapbox". It simply says he's baned from a specific article and related articles.Wikidudeman 06:33, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Please see Misplaced Pages:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_soapbox, Misplaced Pages:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_blog.2C_webspace_provider.2C_or_social_networking_site, and Misplaced Pages:User_page#Removal_of_inappropriate_content. Fred Bauder 10:54, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, Fred - none of your examples applies to what I did here. NONE. There was no outcry from the community - just YOU. You have stood by while Waldorf teachers, with a known (to you) conflict of interest, have removed all critical views from the Waldorf articles day by day - over the comments and efforts of lots and lots of neutral editors. What has happened here is shameful. They are, indeed, using Misplaced Pages as their soapbox and as advertising for Waldorf. Everyone who reads those articles has the same comment - that they read like Waldorf brochures. They're now getting ready to remove the NPOV tags. That is where your attention should be focused Fred - it's an inappropriate use of Misplaced Pages to distort material in such a way.

You have banned me - the only editor who was willing to work endlessly to challenge their efforts and to bring material that refuted their claims. I thank you for this - as it has made my life much more simple to not have to fight this fight 12 hours a day. Furthermore, you have singled me out for aggressive editing and have not applied the rules fairly to those aggressive editors - despite community outcry that they were just as responsible for the problems. Misplaced Pages has become their soapbox.

Again, none of the rules you are suggesting apply here actually apply to my user pages. As Wikidudeman said, I have not been instructed to get down off a soapbox - nor am I on a soapbox. I've presented, on my Biodynamics page, well-researched material about Biodynamics and the Nazis. I have presented on my Steiner Quotes page material that is direct quotes from Steiner. All sourced. I'm allowed to do this - and it is certainly not getting on a soapbox to put information here - in fact, it is my intention to make it easier for other editors to access it. If there is something in Misplaced Pages policy that says I can't do this, please show it to me. So far you haven't been able to justify your actions. I'm not on here as a troll or a vandal, I'm here working within Misplaced Pages policies despite your obvious distaste for my way of doing things. These pages are allowed and there is no Misplaced Pages policy nor ruling that would prevent them from being here. --Pete K 13:34, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

While the related content should be removed from the userpage, actually banning the user from editing it seems like overkill. He should, of course, be banned from putting the content back. --Tango 14:34, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Can you explain why the content should be removed from my userpage? What Misplaced Pages rule supports this action? --Pete K 16:03, 1 June 2007 (UTC)