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Archive 1 (October 2005 → E³ 2006) Archive 2 (May 24 → May 31 2006) Archive 3 (May 31 → June 6 2006) Archive 4 (June 6 → July 9 2006) Archive 5 (July 9 → August 28 2006) Archive 6 (August 28 → November 12 2006) Archive 7 (November 12 → December 9 2006) Archive 8 (December 10 2006 → March 3 2007) Archive 9 (March 3 → April 21 2007) Archive 10 (April 22 → May 17 2007) Archive 11 (May 17 → May 22 2007) Archive 12 (May 22 → May 30 2007)

May 30th Update

Hmm, so the Super Scope is back. And now you can move around while firing it? Interesting... Disaster Kirby 07:54, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

The update seems to be saying you can move while using any shooting item now.

We’ve included rapid-fire items like the Super Scope once again. This time, though, you can walk and even jump while shooting these weapons!

I'm guessing it'll apply to weapons like the gun with the green ray awell, but that's specuation. For now, Let's not say you can move while using the Super Scope, but you can move while using shooting weapons.--Viridis 08:05, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

This is interisting, but is the update that big a deal? Anubiz 12:31, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Clearly it is. Since you couldn't move with items like that in the last game. -Sukecchi 13:46, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

You mean the Ray Gun Viridis. Angry Sun 15:45, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Layisers nice. Anubiz 16:42, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Wouldn't mentioning the ability to move while shooting be considered game guideish? Vilerocks 17:00, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

No because it would be pointing to a change between an earlier game in the series. --myselfalso 17:34, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Point taken but, we nead everything we can git. Anubiz 17:02, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

And no, we don't need everything we can get. Not all of the information being released about Brawl is necessarily encyclopedic. --myselfalso 17:35, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

But we are just gitting bits and peases. Anubiz 20:00, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, we are just getting bits and pieces. Eventually the game is going to be released, and when it is, and when someone completes the game, then all the information that is considered encyclopedic will finally be in the article. Until then, we really don't need everything we can get. The article has substantial length as it is. --myselfalso 22:18, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Developer

This notice is now on the official website:

"This is the official site for the Wii game Super Smash Bros. Brawl — a place where I offer personal, straight-from-the-creator reports on the project. -Masahiro Sakurai (Sora Ltd.)"

I highly doubt that Sakurai would go out of his way to mention Sora Ltd. on the site unless that studio was developing the game. All evidence points toward Sora being the developer: HAL has not made any sort of official statement about SSBB. Sakurai has made many, and we know he's part of Sora. We know that Nintendo funded a brand-new studio in order to develop SSBB, and lo and behold, that's right around the time Sakurai says Sora was created. In addition, we know Sora is working on several "unnamed projects", with Sakurai as head. I think a monkey could make the connection here. Can we pull out the common sense clause and end this "Unknown developer" nonsense now? Phediuk 13:39, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't think so. Anubiz 13:47, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

No. No other website lists Sora as the developer...they all use Nintendo because they don't know who is developing the game. We would be making an assumption that Sora is developing the game. For all we know, Sakurai is merely mentioning his own company to promote it. While common sense seems to be the logical course, this is something that needs to be verified, and not even IGN-type sites will use Sora as the developer. The game is slated to come out some time this year- and it certainly won't get cancelled; there's no rush to uploading the information. When it's announced, it's announced and then it can be put on the article. --myselfalso 14:20, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

They wont tell us untill we have to. Bluefire princess 20:22, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Azula has a point, we won't konw untill they have to tell us. Anubiz 22:02, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Lead Paragraph

As I stated earlier in the now archived version of the discussion, I'm trying to improve (mostly by expanding) the opening paragraph as per WP:LEAD, since an article of this length needs a longer opening. Of course, I don't feel that what I have is sufficient, so I'm not adding it in yet. Any help is appreciated. My rough draft can be found here. -TwilightPhoenix 02:29, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Meditate on the subiut. (He asked for any help) Anubiz 02:42, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Not bad, just one suggestion. Try to use "slated" as few times as possible :) Powerslave (talk-contribs) 07:04, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Picture yourself as someone who knows nothing about Smash Bros series. Don't assume they are already fans. Zojo 15:30, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks to those who improved it, I think it looks great now. Any objections/alterations needed before I add it? -TwilightPhoenix 17:56, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

May 31st update

Another item: The Cracker Launcher. "After you grab this item, it’ll rapidly release blast after blast of firecrackers that explode gaudily. You can walk around and jump while holding the launcher. You can also aim the launcher at different angles by tilting the Control Stick up or down."

They mention the control stick, but they still don't tell us what controller. Ah well. Disaster Kirby 08:31, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

the mention of the control stick at least rules out using the wiimote sideways, as was suggested in an archive somewhere. Djchallis 08:34, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Another thing: Is it absolutely necessary to add every new detail given? By the release of the game (especially if they continue with this pattern of pushing back the release), we're likley going to be overflowing with unencyclopedic "filler" info. I think we ought to be more judgemental about what is important and what is not. For instance, I've integrated the bit about the Cracker Launcher to make the paragraph flow, but I really don't think that mention was necessary. You Can 't See Me! 08:45, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I would personally think that the Wii Remote was ocmpletely ruled out, as is the Nunchuk. Can you imagine playing Smash bros with the Remote/Nunchuk setup? 84.13.127.171 09:01, 31 May 2007 (UTC) Mojanboss

Yes, as a matter of fact, I can. It's not that hard to imagine playing a game with a controller. In any case, that is speculation. You Can 't See Me! 09:08, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

i don't remember where, but someone said they didn't want to "alienate players familiar with the (Gamecube) controller" and that adding Wiimote sensor functions made it too complicated. i don't have the time to dig up the links and sources, but i think they've been referenced again and again. FyreNWater 09:19, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

That doesn't eliminate the use of the Wii Remote completely, though. It could mean something as simple as a button/analog-only interface (no motion sensing), for instance, which is still possible on the Wii Remmote. You Can 't See Me! 09:24, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Ase they drieing us lunnie on perpuis? Anubiz 10:53, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Is it the bazooka from Kirby's Air Ride? It has the same function and Kirby is holding it the same way. - Joshua368 12:31, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I think he is right. Anubiz 12:38, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

i think a small mention of some of the newer items wouldn't go amiss, even if it's just listing them mid-paragraph (i.e. "some new items include the cracker launcher, etc...). the wii-mote nunchuck combination has not been ruled out, since it has enough buttons to keep the smash bros basics and does indeed have a thumb-stick. i don't sakurai's passing mention is enough information to conclude anything, or at least not anything article-worthy. Djchallis 12:57, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

They are driving is loony on purpose aren't they? Anubiz 13:21, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

For veteran players, Nintendo announced that Brawl would use Gamecube Controllers. This doesn't defeat the idea that other controllers could be used however...

As for the new weapon, wouldn't hitting up result in a jump? I think they meant to say the C-stick, because it would be a pain to have to keep moving around just to try aiming a weapon (think Terminator II on 32x... *shudders*) Dark Ermac 13:30, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Terminator? Anyway that sounds pretty good but technically it is speculation. Anubiz 13:37, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

It seems as if this section has gone into ?controller? again. "Didn't want to alienate those familiar with the pad..." obviously means the GC conroller. I doubt that the Wiimote plus Nunchuk will be used. The only reason why I would think it would is because they don't want people to have to buy a conroller to play this game. In my opinion Characters and items should be listed on, well, a list. No info. Just list the references and people can go to the official site for the full story (so far it's a better site for info than wikipedia right now. Shame on you) Zojo 15:28, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Responce one lets not specluate. Anubiz 15:38, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Do we really need to have a post on this talk page every day because DoJo has a new update? Seriously, a big update would be about characters or game modes. When it's all said and done, the Cracker Launcher is only going to have maybe a line in the article. --myselfalso 15:46, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Agreed unless we get a future update that confirms a new newcomer we shouldn't continue making talk sections for each and every update. Anubiz 16:03, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

The bazooka I do believe was from Kirby's Air Raid, and it works double here: The fireworks attack was also in a Kirby game. It was a dual-element ability in Kirby 64 (I think Fire/Lightining, not too sure). Jake52 My talk 20:35, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

No that is wrong, the fire/lighting combo is a light saber,just leave it as is.--[[User:Entei- Anubis]] It was Fire/Bomb Jake and E A The light saber was Spark/Cutter. Anubiz 21:15, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Thats besides the point,it just isnt worth mentioning..--User:Entei-Anubis

I'm jsut wondering, if they do decide to go with the gamecube controler, then what are all the new nintendo users who do not have gamecube controlers goign to do? They arn't in production in England anymore, as even GAME do not sell them. This would mean a lot of people simply could not get the game. Thankfully I still have two working gamecube controlers. This makes me believe the wiimote+nunchuck are perfectly usable (and i've even tried to see what it would feel like... heh). --Brendoshi 18:53, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

There is NO reason to think you won't be able to use the wii remote and nunchuck to play the game. It was said that they wouldn't alienate the veteran players by allowing use of a gamecube controller, but that doesnt mean you HAVE to use the gamecube controller.DurinsBane87 17:51, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

It does when the freaking creator states that you will use the GC Controller for the MAIN Game. Angry Sun 17:54, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Find me that statement. All I've read is where he says that gamecube controllers will be useable to avoid alienating veteran players. That could very easily mean that you can use both controllers, especially since the Brawl site still uses the wii remote smbol for the "How to Play" section.DurinsBane87 17:58, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Yoshi confirmed?

I think i saw screenshot somewhere I know its not official but something will soonMarioman12 16:57, 31 May 2007 (UTC)\

If you saw a screenshot and it's a legitimate source that it originated from, that would make it official. --myselfalso 17:18, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I would like to see this picture...well we'll see in the weeks to come--User:Entei-Anubis

Lets not git are hopes up. Anubiz 18:29, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Believe me, there not...(WHO THE HECK CARES ABOUT A CRACKER CANNON?! GIVE ME SOME CHARACTERS!!)...ahem. --User:Entei-Anubis

Aloha to that. Anubiz 18:37, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

You know what you saw? Photoshopped Image. Angry Sun 20:22, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Maybe he just saw the Yoshi's Island stage, who knows? 206.230.184.88 00:10, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

That might be, Yes

By the way did they show Link's stage? Anubiz 00:15, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I tell you where I found this I saw a screenshot of Yoshi on the super smash bros. brawl website but it was in a dream I have some weird psyhic powers or something to see into the future. So my guess is he revealed this month. Marioman12 22:46, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay Mr. Mime tell us is Mii in this? Anubiz 23:22, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Maybe, I can only see into the future a couple of days into the future and don't make fun of meMarioman12 23:27, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I make fun of you? I didn't ride on your spelling and put up a disturbing web comic. Anubiz 19:35, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Um, Marioman, are you serious? I assume you're not, but... — Malcolm 19:41, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I can assure Yoshi will be revealed soon, forget everything I said before, and also a new character was revealed at Nintendo's pre E3 show the name of the character has not been revealed for nintendo has forced the news outlets who viewed the information to keep quiet about it until E3, they also said to keep the release date secret even though everyone knows the game will be released in November or early December. Marioman12 20:24, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

The only people that are psychics are people in cartoons and shows like Pet Psychic. Face it kid. You are just a die-hard Yoshi Fan. Angry Sun 20:27, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Strange enough, I actually believe you. I know it's really bizarre and not possible, but yea, i guess i somewhat believe in psychic powers. The lie that someone says their psychic is so overused and so, how do i put this, never believed, that no one actually thinks to say it cause it would be so stupid. The only way they would say it is if they're telling the truth, which i suppose you are(or maybe you're just a really good liar)I'm not making fun of you or anything. So, yea, I guess Yoshi will be confirmed soon. If so, can you try to remember how soon? Do you know who the character that was revealed's name???

Enough. Unless it gets released officially, it doesnt matterDurinsBane87 21:03, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Hugely Anticipated Brawler?

I am a subscriber to Nintendo Power, and as such, I receive e-mail updates on each coming issue. Just yesterday, I got an e-mail that said that the next issue would have "news on a hugely anticipated brawler," with a screenshot from the first trailer (the same one we have under the "Characters" section) nearby the text. My only question -- who could this hugely anticipated brawler be? With no name given, it is highly likely, if not inevitable, that this is a new character announcement, most likely Sonic the Hedgehog.

I know that this is merely speculation (which is forbidden), but, being Brawl-related and very possibly a new character announcement, I thought that I had some kind of responsibility to tell the people here at Misplaced Pages. So keep your eyes peeled for the next NP. Teamrocketspy621 19:30, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Or it could be a brawler who is hugely anticipated simply because he/she is so beloved from the previous game(s) and has yet to be confirmed. Frankly, this could be anything, but any news is good news. --Bishop2 19:37, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

When would the next issue come, then? Erik Jensen 19:41, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Not completely sure. But I'll post anything I find here when it arrives. Unless someone else has already gotten it and beats me to the punch. Teamrocketspy621 19:44, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I received the same e-mail, and it says, word for word, "Super Smash Bros. Website Debuts - News on the Hugely Anticipated Brawler!" In my opinion, "Brawler" seems to be referring to the game itself, since "Brawler" can be another name to call a fighting game. Sorry to kills your hopes like that. Disaster Kirby 19:59, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

GHA HA HA!!! How on earth could I have fallen for that. In other words, Nintendo Power will be saying that the Dojo site relaunched with a little bit of new info posted every weekday - something we all knew all about already. Erik Jensen 20:03, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Chill guys We will know in a mounth. Anubiz 21:24, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah they won't tell us anything new just up the site has updated. Bluefire princess 00:00, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Lets not get spippy. Anubiz 00:02, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Stop making a fool of yourself, Anubiz. >.> - Joshua368 00:31, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Heh...heh... --User:Entei-Anubis

Hunnka Motta, relax complaining on Misplaced Pages will not make The next issue of Nintendo power company sooner. We just have to flow with the River of time. Anubiz 00:54, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Which issue of NP are you talking about? Cu'z I have issue 217 in my hande hile i'm writing this. Vilerocks 02:10, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

This user has gotten their information wrong. they're talking about a Wii Newsletter Nintendo sends out via e-mail. It's talking about the game itself, a brawler. -Sukecchi 02:59, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that does seem quite likely. However, there's also something else to note. While that is more and likely a notification that the the website is receiving massive updates, there is something else left amiss. Who will appear on the next Smash File? --69.210.132.201 04:18, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Probably a stage or item, but hey, this isn't the place 207.40.117.177 04:20, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Not only did I recieve the email, but I have the issue that the email is talking about. "Brawler" is refering to the game itself, not a new character. ~Commonsenceman

Since half or more of this is section is repeating the same thing over and over, I think we should leave it aloneDurinsBane87 06:25, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I shoud not thoro stons but, this is geting formuine. Anubiz 10:41, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Not only this, but NP currently stopped the Smash Files. Seems they couldn't get the info they were hoping for... Dark Ermac 11:49, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

A tottle rip if you ask me. Anubiz 13:05, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry. If NP is, in fact, referring to a new character and not a new fighting game, we'll know the character beforehand. I highly doubt they'll tell NP something and have them reveal it before they do it themselves on the official site. (Zojo 15:10, 1 June 2007 (UTC))

Oh to be young and nieve agian. Anubiz 15:17, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

And now we wait... (Zojo 15:29, 1 June 2007 (UTC))

Reaally??! NP ended Smash Files?? Man, I really looked forward to those every month. And this month of all I was hoping that they'd reveal info of a new char, the last issue revealing the last character and all(Zero Suit Samus, which is strange cause Samus and Zero Suit got different files). I suppose they stopped it since they couldn't get any new stuff :( it will probably start up again as the release date gets closer, but I like to know beforehand :D — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.195.110.145 (talk • contribs)

Release Date

Before you say "We don't know the release date!" I have good news, so please read this before replying:

According to Jeux-France.com, in this article: http://www.jeux-france.com/news20454_mario-kart-wii-annonce-a-l-e3-.html The release dates for Brawl will be released to the public at E3. This site is not known to spread false rumors, nor has it ever been proven not to be credible. Yes, yes, the word "Rumeur" appears a few times, but this whole article doesn't seem so far-fetched to me. Anywho, this doesn't need to be mentioned in Brawl's article anywhere, just thought that I'd give some people a heads-up. Teamrocketspy621 16:20, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

And I thought I was gubble. Anubiz 16:22, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually it makes sense. If Brawl really is going to be released in 2007 like Dojo says, they would have to release a specific date soon. Powerslave (talk-contribs) 17:07, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

But when they put "Planned for a 2007 Release" doesn't make me feel better. Saying that leaves the option that they may not be able to release it 2007. Basically, "we're planning to but it might not happen..." is the impression I'm getting. (Zojo 18:36, 1 June 2007 (UTC))

I beleieve thats called the Twiilight Princess effect. We wont know until they offically give an exact date so theres no point in disscussing it further.--User:Entei-Anubis

amazon state that the release date will be june the 30th, and have done for a very long time. They've never got the release dates wrong for anything i've pre-ordered before, so could thnis be the right one? If so, then only 29 days to go >.>--Brendoshi 19:00, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Delfino Plaza pic?

Should we replace the battlefield pic withh Delfino Plaza? I was wondering if this could be a possiblity. If we can't, should we add the pic with Battlefield? OBEY STARMAN 17:35, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I like it the way it is. Anubiz 17:59, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't. I think the article is shameful. It needs to be reconstructed into an article based on the catagories of the official site and the way the article was before the update. (Zojo 18:11, 1 June 2007 (UTC))

This article looks like a 12 yearold chainsawed it. We really should restore it to its orgins. OBEY STARMAN 18:13, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I didn't know Jason had a son... AFAIK, the article in its original status had sourcing based on the Dojo site in its original status, and now that the Dojo site is all different, getting it to the way it was originally is impossible. I think. Erik Jensen 18:17, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I think it's a slop job because we've just been adding stuff to it (except someone deleted the character list and in place wrote a sloppy paragragh). I think it doesn't need additions or deletions from it, just a whole recontruction. (do we really need anything about Sonic except that he's the most requested 3rd party character?) (Zojo 18:34, 1 June 2007 (UTC))

Then instead of complaining about it, be bold and fix the damn page. And I think we should have a Delfino Plaza pic. --myselfalso 21:29, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

The scene changes on Delfino Plaza so 1 picture probably won't do it justice. And, please, someone be bold (65.41.108.140 22:28, 1 June 2007 (UTC))

Why doesnt this IP get a real username? People will take you more seriously if you do, (when I see a IP all i think is "VANDAL")..--User:Entei-Anubis

The stages section is pretty small and looks like it doesn't need to be any bigger than it currently is in text quantity... which means we shouldn't have two stage images in the section (one for Battlefield, one for Delfino Plaza), there's barely enough room for one pic as it is. Perhaps then we need to decide which picture should be chosen over the other to be shown in the stage section? I would vote for keeping the Battlefield pic as it is because that stage is far more thematically and symbolically attached to Brawl and the whole SSB series, and Delfino is only one of what could be many new sensational stages based on various game franchises to be revealed before the release. Erik Jensen 17:54, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Fire Emblem stage

I see there's no mention of it in the Stages section. Why is this when the castle – which was almost certainly Daein – was shown on one of the earlier trailers? Ashnard _Talk 10:18, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I see that it says "the interior and exterior of a gloomy castle", although it is highly probable by the standards/flags on the castle that it is Daein. Ashnard _Talk 10:21, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Because saying it is a Fire Emblem stage without any proof is speculation. -Sukecchi 11:44, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't like to be a pain, but where is the proof for the other stages then? Only Battlefield and Shadow Moses are sourced. Does that mean that the other stages are speculative? Ashnard _Talk 11:48, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that's a bit odd. We had a note saying that Pit's stage was confirmed since it was a Palutena statue, and that's the same situation. Seems the note (and any mention of the stage) is gone at the moment though. Gurko 12:39, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

On a technicality it would still count as speculation or original research for Pit's stage. To stay barely within the line it'll probably need two or more citations that are very similar in detail. For Pit's stage, a comparison picture of Palutena is enough. In the article it should use words that aren't definitive, like "supposedly" or "it appears that.." - Zero1328 _Talk? 12:55, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

If there were a picture of a Daein flag/standard used as a source, could the "gloomy castle" then be identified as a Fire Emblem castle? Thanks. Ashnard _Talk 19:53, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I think we should just remove the speculation from the stages. We can add the stages when they're released on the site. They will be eventually, so there's no need to go through all this. Lets delete the unconfirmed stuff.DurinsBane87 19:59, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Seconded, keep things that are definite (gloomy castle, stage with changing seasons, stage with crumbling platforms) while removing speculation (that the above three are Fire Emblem, Yoshi Stage, Palutena) until the site confirms it.--Viridis 20:31, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

This raises difficulties since it would be difficult to describe the Yoshi or Mario Kart stages without making references to the actual series or character. Ashnard _Talk 20:41, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

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