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WP:BLP again

I see above that you are having trouble with the policy regarding articles on living persons. Restoring unsourced or improperly sourced content, as you did on José Saramago, by saying that the information is "useful" is a clear violation of a critical policy. Do not restore this information again unless you can provide valid sources to back it up. | TheBLPGuy 13:52, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

The sentences which I added, and which you have again deleted as "unsourced", are in fact the only sourced statements in the entire article. What is your problem with them? RolandR 14:04, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

You are mistaken; there are sources for other statements - the paragraph following the one I deleted, for example, is properly sourced, since it provides a link to the document he signed - and there are sources at the bottom, such as his Nobel Prize biography, that verify much of the other content. I went after that one paragraph because it was the one paragraph that wasn't sourced at all. Most of what you re-inserted is acceptable, but the sentence that states that his works have aroused controversy in Portugal must be sourced, per WP:BLP. | TheBLPGuy 16:13, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

There is a link to the document he signed since I inserted it. I repeat, the only sourced statements are those I inserted. For instance, there is no source for "Saramago was in his mid-fifties before he won international acclaim", for "It was the 1988 publication of his Baltasar and Blimunda that first brought him to the attention of an English-speaking readership", or for "This novel won the Portuguese PEN Club Award" in the first paragraph alone. It seems very strange to me that the only statements you removed on blp grounds were the sourced ones which i had inserted, and not any of the others.

I removed the content I removed because it was "contentious," which is grounds for immediate removal under WP:BLP, a policy for which you don't seem to have much regard. The content to which I objected is now properly sourced. Was that so hard? | TheBLPGuy 14:59, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't need your patronising tone, thank you very much. What was in the least contentious about the statement? Has anyone ever suggested that Saramago's work is not controversial, or that it is offensive or defamatory to state this? And what about the statement that hsi wife comes from "a very powerful Barcelona family of editors who actively promote his books around the world", to which I added a citation needed tag two and a half months ago, but which no-one has attempted to justify? Why do you not focus on the dubious claims, not the well-attesrted facts? RolandR 15:05, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Template removed

I am mystified by your message. Please specify where you believe that I violated WP:NPOV by "adding commentary and my personal analysis". I do not believe that I have done so on any article, and it doesn't help that you don't specify where this is supposed to have happened. Thank you. RolandR 17:14, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Hello, I misintepreted one of your edits on Steven Plaut. Pardon my mistake. Tomj 18:22, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Unfounded claims of sockpuppetry

You have reverted various sockpuppet pages to state that the socks are mine. A CheckUser request proved that the socks were not mine. If you continue to accuse me of sockpuppetry in the face of proof to the contrary, then you're violating WP:NPA. Note that I'm one of your few Misplaced Pages adversaries who has not resorted to personal attacks on you. Truthprofessor 18:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

The accounts were all blocked indefinitely as sockpuppets of Truthprofessor, and the blocking admin added the Confirmed Sockpuppet tag. If you dispute this, you should ask the same admin to remove the tag; to do so yourself could be construed as vandalism.

I am truly grateful that you have not descended to the gutter language of the hundreds of sockpuppets who have attacked me. RolandR 18:29, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

OK, I will ask the admin.

I suspect that the attacks by the socks are happening because you're posting very hostile allegations about participants in political controversies when you're clearly on the opposing side. (For example you want to include Newman's claims about Plaut even though Newman doesn't give any source for those claims.) This makes some excitable people decide that it's a free-for-all.

Truthprofessor 18:42, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

That sounds like a confession to me. In fact, I am being attacked because Kahanist bigots cannot accept the idea of an anti-Zionist Jew. I am not the only victim; the abuse that has been poured on Ilan Pappé, Noam Chomsky, Norman Finkelstein, Baruch Kimmerling, Tanya Reinhart, Shimon Tzabar and many others who have never edited Misplaced Pages shows that the abuse is directed ar anyone who dares to step beyond the parameters which you determine. And it goes well beyond Misplaced Pages. As you well know, the abuse directed at me frequently links to a website set up to attack me; this is clearly linked to similar websites set to attack Tony Greenstein, Richard Silverstein and others, and to abusive messages sent to subscribers to the Alef mailing list by supporters of Plaut, who claimed to have stolen the mailing list. There is an obvious pattern here, and it's worth noting that you see fir to excuse and justify this. RolandR 20:05, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Is this abuse just unprovoked nastiness, or have you and your friends contributed by calling people racists, war criminals, Nazis, apartheid supporters and Kahanist bigots? If it really is just unprovoked nastiness, why are you getting your revenge here on Misplaced Pages? If you try to use Misplaced Pages as a soapbox for attacks on political enemies, isn't it obvious that their supporters are going to do the same? Maybe I'm being naive, but why not look for ways to de-escalate the situation. Truthprofessor 22:57, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

As I said, you are excusing and justifying libellous and defamatory lies. Anyone who reads my edits, and the abuse I have faced, can see who is telling the truth and who is lying here. RolandR 01:46, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I can't see which defamatory lies I'm supposed to have justified - and please remember that you just called your opponents Kahanists and bigots.

If you believe in telling the truth, can you explain why you keep re-posting that Newman claim in Plaut's entry. Newman wrote: "Writing under assumed names, Plaut has a long history of attacking, labeling, and targeting left-wing scholars in Israel. One anonymous article appeared under the name of Socrates in the Middle East Review of 2001." Newman didn't provide any evidence that Plaut uses assumed names or that Plaut is "Socrates." Do you have evidence?

You also linked to the claim about Plaut's spamming activities. Maybe I'm not reading carefully enough, but I didn't see any proof that Plaut rather than a supporter was the culprit. And how do you know that someone didn't fake this "evidence" - just as some of the abusive socks on Misplaced Pages faked messages from you?

Truthprofessor 11:28, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

And please note that you've missed my point. Far from excusing or justifying gutter language against you or charges of Kahanism and bigotry against your opponents, I'm arguing that both sides should avoid this sort of conduct, as I've tried to do.

Truthprofessor 11:36, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I've watched the treatment handed out to Roland in WP (and elsewhere) and I'm horrified. This level of abuse cannot possibly be a reaction to anything he's done, it can only be from very nasty people that he has somehow upset. I don't know what he's done (it can't possibly be just what you claim, which is relatively innocuous). Roland comes across to me as a gentle and industrious soul who is a credit to this project. And likely most else that he touches. PalestineRemembered 17:04, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Israel Shamir

Hi, Roland. It looks like you and I both reverted Tube Deny on Israel Shamir just now--that is, from the history, it looks rather like I reverted you, but that's not what happened. Sorry about that. I don't know why I didn't get an edit conflict. I'm going over to warn the editor about calling content disagreements "vandalism", I'm awfully tired of seeing that. Bishonen | talk 22:45, 26 August 2007 (UTC).

August 2007

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. However, Misplaced Pages is not censored, not even to remove profanity or pornography. Please do not remove or censor information that is relevant to the article. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Stop stifling open debate on important issues. If you can improve presentation, then improve it. Don't delete fully referenced, relevant data which takes a lot of effort to put together. M12390 07:32, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Misplaced Pages. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Stop removing fully sourced material from authentic sources. M12390 01:36, 28 August 2007 (UTC)