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Big Man Bill/ RMAX

Center for the B-T-W Foward/Guard for the B-T-W —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 205.127.88.130 (talk) 15:45, 28 March 2007 (UTC).

MEAT?

IS CHEESE CONSIDERED A MEAT? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 199.44.250.83 (talk) 22:58, 10 April 2007 (UTC).

(personal attack removed)

No. It's a dairy. ~Crowstar~ 15:44, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Target for Vandalism?

For some bizarre reason, it seems that this article (from a glance at all the reversions of late) is of special interest to the dimmest of wits. Perhaps it should be protected from anonymous edits, perhaps more. --Kaz 14:21, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

cheese affecting dreams

it is fairly widely accepted that cheese affects dreams, making them kinda freaky in cases. that is why i looked up this article but didnt find anything within regarding dreams....

is it part of the opiate effect? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.9.229.170 (talk) 23:53, 10 April 2007 (UTC). cheese dont affect dreams

I love cheese! I could eat it for lunch every day.... but my personal experience is that if I eat it at night I have bad dreams. This is what you call "Original research"... can't write it in the article without documentary evidence! --Amandajm 11:35, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

I love cheese too. I've never found it to affect my dreams especially. Here's a link to the British Cheese Board which did a study suggesting that different cheeses will have different effects on your dreams, but won't give you nightmares. http://www.britishcheese.com/news.cfm?page_id=240 Jon5 11:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I think you have to be a bit careful interpreting the results of the 'study' - it was done by the British Cheese Board - hardly impartial observers. There is also no indication of the quality of the study. There is no indication of a control group or how those involved in the study were recruited: for all we know, they are all cheese enthiusiasts on the British Cheese Board's mailing list! Also - would you expect 200 people to have even a single nightmare in a fortnight? I have perhaps one every year or two. Let's be honest, it's a rubbish source of data and the article should note its shortcomings. PsychoticSock 18:13, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

BCE to BC

Everyone knows the BC/AD dating system, the BCE/CE system is an obvious ripoff of it. The correct term is BC or AD. The BCE/CE system is the same system, but with junk names attached. I strongly suggest that you change the references of "BCE" in this article to "BC", and also those of "CE" to "AD". It might not be politically correct, but since when has Misplaced Pages ever been politically correct? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.220.204.53 (talk) 00:40, 11 April 2007 (UTC).


Cancer

I suggest editing this section out of controversy until a peer-reviewed medical source or published research study can be cited. The source link does not actually even mention cancer. Cannot edit myself due to protection. Ngaskill 22:25, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Removed per notes above. Additionally, I have found scholarly articles citing links with caseins, but none that directly implicate cheese as a factor in cancer. Perhaps if this is the assertion one wishes to make, it would be best cited with the article foe casein itself which this one is linked to. Ngaskill 03:12, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


edits please

as far as the following content: "Hard cheeses — "grating cheeses" such as Parmesan, Pecorino, and Romano — are quite firmly packed into large forms and aged for months or years" Romano is a type of Pecorino, so it is redundant to have both of these on the list. i would suggest just "pecorino romano" as it is the most well known of the grating cheeses.

and this content: "Some cheeses are categorized by the source of the milk used to produce them or by the the added fat content of the milk from which they are produced. While most of the world's commercially available cheese is made from cows' milk, many parts of the world also produce cheese from goats and sheep, well-known examples being Roquefort produced in France from ewe's milk, Peccorino Romano, produced in Italy from goat's milk." again, about the pecorino romano. first of all, it is mispelled! secondly, pecorino means sheeps milk, not goats milk. any pecorino is always a sheeps milk cheese. acozza 08:20, 24 May 2007

Thanks, acozza! Yes, goat/sheep.... stupid mistake! i'll fix it if its not already fixed. --Amandajm 00:59, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

To quote from the first paragraph: "Cheese is lighter, more compact". This line makes no sense whatsoever and is wrong in so many ways. Firstly the article should refer to denseness as that deals with mass per unit volume. (Even if we assume 'lighter' here to mean less dense then that would imply a certain mass of cheese is LESS compact than the same mass of milk.) Also as the article is at great pains to point out, there are many kinds of cheese with different characteristics - some will be denser than their milk, others less. I think something along the lines of 'more nutrient dense' is much better. (http://www.innovatewithdairy.com/InnovateWithDairy/Articles/IF_Facts_Cheese_062905.htm) Jon5 12:15, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I suppose the lightness (density) has to do with the fact that cheese has a higher fat content and lower water content than milk.....
OK! I just tested the theory with a piece of cheddar. The cheddar sank like a brick. No doubt whatsoever that the cheese was denser than water.

--Amandajm 03:48, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Fixed! --Amandajm 03:54, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

What a great article. Thanks to everyone who participated. I appreciate it. 71.110.130.138 20:05, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

history versus origins

In this context, these headings are synonymous, and the same ground is covered in both sections, with oblique contradictions--or so it seems to me. Does anyone else feel these sections need to be combined and reconciled by a good editor? 167.115.255.20 14:46, 29 May 2007 (UTC)LINKBook

I did quite a lot of organization here and put in headings where necessary. History is the Heading, origins is the subheading. Yes, I think maybe it does need tidying up, but I'm always loathe to chop bits that other editors have written, unless they are really off the mark. --Amandajm 15:45, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I think I sorted it out. --Amandajm 10:05, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Pom Sprout's comment

Please remove the move protection of Cheese! It interferes with me. Sev Snape 03:10, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Why do you want to move the page? I think that Cheese should stay as it is, because Cheese (as in the food) is by far the most dominant use of the word. Alternate uses should remain on the disambiguation page. Please see WP:DISAMBIG. Andrew_pmk | Talk 03:17, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Ignore the comment. It is from a page-move vandal. --BorgQueen 03:18, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Obesity

The unsupported claim regarding OBESITY should be removed unless the person who posted it can provide a reference. The web page of the American Dietetic Association seems to take a different position. I can not find a study suggesting that societies with increased cheese consumption have increased obesity. In fact the highest cheese consumption countries, ie, France, Germany, et. al., are not at the forefront of the obesity epedemic.Lwready 21:02, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, not quite : in Germany, nearly half of the male population is overweight, and more than half in Greece, the country with the largest consumption of cheese per head... for female population that's respectively 33% and 36.5 %. But France, the second largest country for consumption of cheese is, nevertheless, one of the slimest developped country with only 35 % of overweight male and 20 % of overweight female  : . By comparison, 66% of americans are overweight -nearly 80 % of male...). Anyway, that proves nothing, as what makes people fat is the global quantity of calories they eat, whether it is by eating a lot of vegetables or a smaller portion of cheese... Gedefr 15:28, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

A possible external link?

A cheese website Cheeseline.com has an extensive cheese library of "for reference only" cheeses, particularly the European gourmet varieties. All their cheeses can be accessed by their internal search box or by using their "drill down" which allows you to drill down cheeses by their country, milk and texture. They also list almost a hundred reference books on cheeses in their cheese book section, they do not sell them, they just give you a link to Amazon. We use the website as a reference very frequently.

Bill Cheese 08:53, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Done. --Amandajm 11:14, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

CHEESE ROCKS!!

Chese is awsome but i think it is a dairy product seeing that it comes from cows milk. So why would anyone think that cheese is a meat?? I mean, if you think about it... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.32.99.220 (talk) 21:33, August 22, 2007 (UTC)

Dairy and meat are to different products. Making cheese does not kill the cow, goat or wherever you got the milk from. Unintended Disaster 16:12, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but Cheese uses Rennet, which is calf stomachs. That kind of does kill the cow... JoeyETS 06:37, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
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