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Thank you!

Well .... where to start?

I just want to thank everyone - I can't possibly reply to everybody :) - for being so loving and supportive over the last few days. I said what I had to say and left for a few days, just to get some breathing space. I'd actually been thinking seriously about leaving over the last few weeks, as the unwanted attentions from certain people and the pressures of the current ArbCom case were beginning to wear me down. I truly wasn't expecting the kind of responses that came flooding in. I really don't know what to say. I've archived everything, my original message and all your responses, as well as a message to others at the top, at User:Alison/Depression. As I said, I hope others in a similar situation can read this, understand it, and take some comfort from it all.

Love you all, friends :)

-- Alison

PS: I guess I'd better get back to work, then! WP:RPP is calling out to me :)

PPS: Amit, it's lovely to see you back on here, too, with job intact!

Troubles ArbCom

Hi Alison, I noticed you have had dealings with this editor. You may be aware of this recent unpleasantness which I will pursue myself, as this is not the first time this editor has abuse there tools. They have been warned before and I know they have a history of this sort of thing. What I would like is for them to be included on the Troubles ArbCom, as the articles would come under that heading. My approach with this editor will be done strictly by the book, as evidenced here and regardless of the attempt to provoke me with there reply I will maintain my cool.Take care Regards --Domer48 (talk) 21:14, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Domer, I agree that something strange is going on here. I need to investigate in more detail later but will look into it. Crazy-busy right now - Alison 21:20, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Alison, Please, this is getting out of hand here, can something not be done. This type of name calling is a straw too many. --Domer48 (talk) 21:42, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Wow. That.. way over the line. I've spoken to R.Fiend on his talk page, but content aside (again, not familiar with the situation), he needs to dial it wayyyyyy back. SirFozzie (talk) 21:49, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Listen folks thanks for that, I know no one on the Troubles ArbCom would get away with that carry on. I got blocked for less by this editor, and they abuse and revert at will. I'd put a warning template on thei page again, but what is the point, they would just delete it and block me again. Sorry for having to bring this to your page, and thanks both of you again. --Domer48 (talk) 21:55, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Domer, first of all, let me just say, that the REASON you were blocked was valid, even if the blocker wasn't. WP:3RR is an electric fence. You shall not break 3 Reverts within 24 hours for ANY reason whatsoever (except reverting blatant vandalism, and if it's that blatant, you should be bringing it up on AIV or ANI to get the other editor/IP address blocked). This wasn't the situation. Them's the rules, man. you did revert four times (for different reasons, admittedly), to your preferred version. I would suggest that you, Dunc and VK don't continue to edit war here (you can be blocked for editwarring EVEN if you don't break 3RR). If the situation is so intolerable, you can always create an article content Request for comment or an administrator conduct RfC. SirFozzie (talk) 22:04, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Fozz, I'm not going to play word games with you. I do respect ye! But come on "you did revert four times (for different reasons, admittedly), to your preferred version." Preferred version, ah hello. You mean the correct version according to wiki policies, WP:V, WP:RS. Now picture me laughing when I say this, And I was Shafted. All things aside, thanks for the advice, I did ask John for advice on that. Now do you want to apply the same logic of "you did revert four times (for different reasons, admittedly), to your preferred version," to my new best friend on the Easter Rising or is it just for the lower ranks. LOL --Domer48 (talk) 22:47, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Looks like I was away for most of the drama here. - Alison 05:45, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi Alison, glad your back LOL. Just following on from my last post, I posted this last night. With my last block in mind and my dialog with Fozz. "you did revert four times (for different reasons, admittedly), kind a stuck in my head if you know what I mean. Based on that report I posted and the comment from Fozz "you can be blocked for editwarring EVEN if you don't break 3RR" I think that two stes of ruls are being applied. I will more than likley go with John's suggestion but can you look at the 3 rr for those on the Troubles ArbCom list, in light of this situation. Thanks, and Regards --Domer48 (talk) 14:08, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Think this says it all dont you Domer48 (talk) All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others-- BigDunc (talk) 14:38, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Well the way I see it, all those involved in the ArbCom are subject to the penelties, and yet anyone not involved can just bounce in a run amock, and we get the bad end of the stick. In such a clear case of edit warring, the editor should be place on the ArbCom list, and be subject to the same things as the rest of us. By and large, all involved in the ArbCom have being editing away and trying their best not to create problems, and we at lest deserve some credit for that. --Domer48 (talk) 15:27, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Ali, you must admit, Dunc is a very blunt way dose have a point.LOL, Regards --Domer48 (talk) 13:15, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Final Question

What do you mean by archived? Does this mean they won't appear on the net?

fansoffans1983 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fansoffans1983 (talk • contribs) 16:57, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Google doesn't really spider userspace here thanks to the robots.txt file, so it shouldn't pick up all the talk page entries. I wouldn't worry too much about it - Alison 22:07, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Aatomic1

Hey Alison, just a heads up that at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/The Troubles, Aatomic1 (talk · contribs) is attempting to remove him/herself from the probation you put into place there. Metros (talk) 19:27, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello, Alison. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue that you may be involved with. You are free to comment at the discussion, but please remember to keep your comments within the bounds of the civility and "no personal attack" policies. Thank you. (yay, I templated a regular ;)).. The section is Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Request_for_more_eyes_related_to_Easter_Rising_and_Tom_Clarke_.28Irish_republican.29 SirFozzie (talk) 20:16, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Foz, thank you so much for standing up for me in my absence and for taking on this contentious 'troubles' case (and I know you're burned out on all this nonsense, too) - I really appreciate it! Thanks ;) - Alison 22:01, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

6 Colors

Hi Alison, I have been working on the backlog at WP:CV. Came across this article, permission was claimed and the user indicated that he sent the email. Can you please check OTRS... Thanks and cheers!--DO11.10 (talk) 20:36, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi there. I ran a search and I'm not finding any entries in OTRS relating to this article. Really sorry :( Can you ask if they have an OTRS ticket number? They should have been assigned one by the clerk when they received a response - Alison 22:06, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Smile

NHRHS2010 (talk · contribs) has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Awww - thank you!! :) - Alison 16:54, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Heya

User:I need a name over on GA.Wiki is almost definitely NOT the same one here. Folks have been creating accounts to harass him here and elsewhere apparently. I need a Name confirms that User:You Need a Name, who is claiming to be him, is definitely NOT him (and he's reverted You Need a Name's edit) SirFozzie (talk) 03:16, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Good enough for me, Foz, and blocked - míle maith agat! ;) - Alison 06:04, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

One over at pt., as well. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 16:56, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

a check please

Hi Alison, hate to bother you but with regard to this , a new user has sprung up today, Makemewish (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). Can you check on it, or should I file another CU? Thanks R. Baley (talk) 04:23, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Noticed you were offline, so reported at ANI. R. Baley (talk) 05:08, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

 Confirmed and  IP blocked - Alison 05:15, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, R. Baley (talk) 05:35, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

No problem :) - Alison 05:55, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Sarah777

Per your comments at the AN/I thread, I have unblocked her with the proviso she refrain from editing that article in the meantime. Daniel Case (talk) 11:34, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thanks Daniel. That's excellent - Alison 16:54, 22 December 2007 (UTC) (just woke up :) )

Copyvio?

I'm going to take you up on your kind offer of assistance :)

So how does one determine copyright violations? I'm looking at E. W. Bullinger, in which there are several sentences that are exactly the same as on . But a) it's certainly not a major part of the article, and b) I don't know which came first - we've had the article since 2003, and the "offending" sentences seem to have been introduced back then: . So how does one address that? SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 18:02, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

An Introduction To Misplaced Pages

Hey ho there! We haven't really corresponded on this site, but, Alison, as an admin, could you possibly do a favour for me? I notice most users recieve a warm welcome to this site on their talk page and such, telling them what guidelines there are and etc. I did not recieve one. Out of kindness, could you please give me a belated "welcome" on my talk page? I haven't read all the guidelines because I amn't sure how many there are, so it would be even more appreciated in that way. Cheers!

Merry Christmas!

Sporker (talk) 19:56, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

PS: I speak Scottish Gaelic, and I notice you gave an invitation to users who do to help you out in translating some kind of Wiki-related stuff on the SG Wiktionary...I can not do it now but would love to at a later stage. Sporker (talk) 19:56, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Ah, looks like you've gone and done it! Thank you very much! :D Sporker (talk) 12:33, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Unblock request by 64.53.2.215

See here. Since this involved a checkuser and the IP would naturally be supposed to be kept private, you might be better able to tell what's up here and provide any admin with relevant info (if that were to be me, you can send email ... I will keep the case confidential). Daniel Case (talk) 03:21, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

You might also want to check this while you're at it: User talk:4.152.165.81. nat.utoronto 03:25, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi guys. I've commented on both cases. The latter one isn't my checkuser case, but the former one is. As the former blocked editor is largely not forthcoming with an explanation and refuses to identify, there's not much that can be done there - Alison 19:55, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Rklawton

Ali; I'm looking at the options here - I have tried to follow the steps in setting up an RfC re this editor for abuse of Admin powers and I note that to be "activated" it needs a co-signer. How does one alert the interested sections of the community to the existence of the RfC proposal without falling foul of some Wiki rule about canvassing? - Sarah777

I'm also concerned at the suitability of User:Philip Baird Shearer (another Admin editing this "Massacres" article). There was a clear WP:Edit war edit by User:Jack.Hartford which Philip ignored even though he himself edit the same section, Irish Rebellion of 1641, shortly after the warring. Again, I have asked him to revert the warring edit on his page and await the response.

Regards - Sarah777 (talk) 14:37, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

While I'm at it User:R. fiend appears to have blocked Domer48 in similar circumstances to the Lawton block. And this Admin obviously takes some pride in his aggressive adminship as you see here (Sarah777 (talk) 15:05, 23 December 2007 (UTC))

This appears to be a big and growing problem on Wiki; we need to do something about it in general terms. Perhaps like 3RR a warring Admin who blocks and edits on the same article should get an automatic one-month loss of Admin powers? (Sarah777)

Hi Sarah. Ummm ... there's a lot going on here. Firstly, admins are just editors - they can edit what they like, get into edit-wars, get blocked, etc, etc, just like any other editor and it's important to bear that in mind. Admins are editors, too :) However, admins tend to be held to a higher standard than other editors and are aware they need to be absolutely open and fair in whatever they do. There's little wiggle-room for arrogance and aggression when it comes to admin actions. When editing articles, we are just human, same as anyone else!

As regards the behaviour of certain admins; if you have any issues and you have done your best to resolve them, you could either bring them to the attention of the admin community at WP:ANI or file a Request for Comment regarding either the editor/admin or the article/situation. You just have to have all your homework done and everything documented with diffs, etc, and have other editors who are willing to endorse that. It sounds like you may have both here, looking at your talk page. If you need help filing an RFC, I can possibly help. Needless to say, I'm neutral in all this and, as you know, if you're off on something here. I'll sure let you know. You know that!!! :)

In the case of Rklawton, I should tell you that the guy is on vacation now and won't be around to answer a case. He told me this early on in yesterday's crisis, BTW. It's not that he's gone AWOL or anything - he's just away for a break. I know about the User:R. fiend thing and Domer, etc and I'm keeping a close watch on the whole thing, too - Alison 20:12, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Shearer

Ali, I am now formally reporting to you User:Philip Baird Shearer for WP:edit warring and abuse of Admin powers on List of massacres (Sarah777 (talk) 18:32, 23 December 2007 (UTC))

Hi Sarah. Thanks for mentioning it here and I'll take a look in a few mins. While I see this editor has been editing List of massacres, I don't see any (ab-)use of his admin tools over there. Can you show me where? - Alison 20:00, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi again. I took a look and it seems that Philip is making constructive edits over there. He's done a nice job of cleaning up messy refs. He has stepped in (where RK left off) and removed the Fallujah section. However - he's only done this once and has brought his detailed rationale to the talk page where anyone can address the issues he has with the cites. He says there may be issues around them being a "reliable source". None of this seems to be off-the-wall unreasonable or anything - Alison 20:38, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

He refused to reply to me comments on his page explaining my edits, so inability to communicate isn't the trademark of a good Admin surely?; he repeated a bad-revert by Lawton that another Admin has already reversed; he added back a name for the killing of settlers in Ireland in the 1641 rebellion without any explanation; a name which I had deleted with a clear explanation and which the original author has now himself agreed was a wrong name. I am only looking at his edits where I am involved and I find bias and very poor judgement. I don't think either himself or (obviously) Lawton are suitable people to be mentoring this particular article. (Sarah777 (talk) 21:03, 23 December 2007 (UTC))

Happy Holidays

Happy Holidays Alison. Have a Happy New Year !

Thank you both :) That's lovely .... - Alison 18:45, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey Ali, same from me from sunny/cloudy and definitely hot Laos. All the best ,The Rambling Man on tour (talk) 09:01, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Wild sex at 7-11

One night in the summer of 1997 I had wild sex with a strange girl named Alison in a white lexus in the suburbs of Philly, by any chance could that be you? She was very hot.--Zimbobman (talk) 02:01, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Bye bye, NisarKand. To answer your question, it must have been so utterly non-memorable that it slipped my mind. So sorry! - Alison 02:10, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Owned 13:54, 25 December 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tinkleheimer (talk • contribs)

Weird, I signed, but my name didn't show up, only the date. D=Trevor "Tinkleheimer" Haworth 21:05, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

User:Famguy231

Famguy231 is requesting unblock. Please feel free to comment at his talk page. The Evil Spartan (talk) 04:16, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Invite

As a current or past contributor to a related article, I thought I'd let you know about WikiProject University of Florida, a collaborative effort to improve Misplaced Pages's coverage of University of Florida. If you would like to participate, you can visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks and related articles. Thanks!

Thanks

Thank you for welcoming me. I have just read the tutorial and some other pages and have learned a great deal about Misplaced Pages already! Blurple (talk) 22:27, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

Happy Holidays Alison. Have a Happy New Year !

ANI question

Hope this isn't canvassing; I'm only asking one editor. But I saw you recently comment on a similar matter, and I believe this needs to be addressed (it's currently in danger of being ignored): Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#GusChiggins21_blocked_for_edit_warring_by_involved_admin. The Evil Spartan (talk) 02:23, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Checkuser poll or vote

Hi Alison...can you link me to the supporting poll or vote that was used to grant you checkuser privileges?--MONGO (talk) 11:05, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Ali's still asleep, probably (PST slacker ;), but the decision was made by ArbCom, and you can see the request here. SirFozzie (talk) 14:17, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi MONGO. As Foz states, there is no poll nor vote for Checkuser on the English Misplaced Pages. I was appointed by the Arbitration Committee to that role, as per our checkuser policy. I guess if you have any questions around my suitability, you could directly contact either ArbCom or the Ombudsman commission. Have I done something to cause you concern? - Alison 17:53, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

And what about the part about being a PST slacker? ;) SirFozzie (talk) 17:57, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, indeed! I just spotted your little bit of "vandalism" :) Nothing gets past your eagle-eye! - Alison 17:59, 26 December 2007 (UTC) (just woke up. How'd you guess? :) )

Oh, because it's the day after christmas, and if I had my choice, I'd be asleep in bed as late as possible, instead of at work? ;) SirFozzie (talk) 18:00, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Nicely done...

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		{{{1}}}

Oh! Thank you, Will :) What did I do? - Alison 17:54, 26 December 2007 (UTC)