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This page in a nutshell: Should the post-1967 Jewish neighborhoods in Jerusalem be principally titled as "neighborhoods" or "settlements"? What do the reliable sources say? What is the predominant usage?

• I created the Neighborhoods of the Ring, Jerusalem. Except for the footnotes and the second paragraph in the Demographics section (section header added), I translated it word-for-word from שכונות הטבעת. Perhaps the participants would wish to give their opinions about this more central article, to avoid fragmentation. (comment in the Discussion section/s below, please). Thx. El_C 12:11, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

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Jewish Neighborhoods versus Israeli Settlements of Jerusalem

For excessive reverts on related articles (Pisgat Ze'ev, Gilo, Ramot, Har Homa, Neve Yaakov), Colourinthemeaning (talk · contribs), ILike2BeAnonymous (talk · contribs), Robertert (talk · contribs), Gilabrand (talk · contribs), and possibly other users upon examination (needless to say, anyone else reverting on this set of articles, is at risk of being added), are, for the next month, placed on a one-(talk page obligatory)-rr on any Jerusalem-related entry. We are not going to have this multiple-entry revert war go on, indefinitely. I gotta step out now, but I will give this formula further thought later. Comment below, but please keep them brief. Long winded debate will be aggressively redacted. Many thanks. El_C 23:29, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, please do take action against User:Colourinthemeaing, who went ahead and did a blanket revert well after you sent this message. In fact, this person should be blocked from Misplaced Pages altogether for the disruptive and aggressive nature of his "editing," which is to go from article to article and insert his personal views, and promptly set off an argument with people who have long contributed to the page before he parachuted out of nowhere and decided that he is God's gift to Misplaced Pages (if not mankind).--Gilabrand (talk) 16:38, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

1)Fairness: Colourinthemeaning has violated the 3 revert policy 3 times on Gilo after unsuccessfully trying to block another user, resulting in two protections to his new version while I've let his changes to the original version stand a number of times while continuing the discussion. ILike2BeAnonymous hasn't joined the conversation at all. Colour also namecalls (vandal, nationalist) and as I showed below contradicts his sources. Treating us all the same is not fair.

2)Discussion: The summary above (Jewish Neighborhoods versus Israeli Settlements of Jerusalem) is not correct. I restored the original version of the pages that said these places are neighborhoods that are widely considered Israeli settlements, while Colourinthemeaning is arguing that not only do many people say that these places are Israeli settlements, but that the same people say they "aren't" neighbourhoods.

3)Sources: His own sources Globalsecurity and Peace Now]], contradict him and all refer to them as neighborhoods, as does even Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat]. Erekat and Peace Now believe the neighborhoods are also settlements while Globalsecurity mentions that their status is disputed. No one says they are independent cities or towns instead of neighborhoods.

I wish someone could put in some time to read through all this. I know that it isn't the most simple dispute but it is straightforward. Most of the discussion is here --Robertert (talk) 10:08, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

The Settlement side is urged to provide reliable sources that demonstrate usage of the word "settlements" with respect to these neighborhood as the predominant term. Please be specific, citing entire passages, when needed. El_C 07:40, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

My solution is my version of the page that Mr. Color keeps blanket reverting. It makes sufficient mention of both terms. I have nothing further to say on the matter except that I will not let agenda-pushers write history and disseminate misleading information on Misplaced Pages.--Gilabrand (talk) 13:05, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

And we're off on a friendly note! Links? El_C 13:59, 18 February 2008 (UTC)