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Your puerile threats

Tango, don't be wet. Block my ip address and I'll get another. Block my ID and I'll get another. You would be much better off using reasoned, logical argument. Or are you too powerful/stupid for that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.132.159.170 (talk) 15:46, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Archives

/Archive06, /Archive07a

I believe this is a shared IP address, in use by AstraZeneca.

--A different 193.132.159.170 (talk) 13:29, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

In that case, why not block it? Don't just hide up there in Durham Uni, using their computers to issue threats.Address129.234.8.61 (talk) 21:20, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Thomas, I don't expect you to be any more impressed than I was at your attempt at sockpuppetry. When all is said and done, you have threatened to block me for putting a POV in an article, so block me and stop acting like a little Adolph.Address129.234.8.61 (talk) 10:50, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry? Did I forget to log in at some point? If so, that was an innocent mistake, not an attempt at sockpuppetry. You haven't vandalised the article since I gave you your final warning, so why would I block you? --Tango (talk) 12:30, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

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comment request

Hi there, would you be so kind as to provide an indepenant neutral opinion of the image Construccionkaiserrick.jpg at the section of the same name on the talk page of Richmond Medical Center here please? Thank you very much as this may help to alleviate a current debate over its inclusion.Cholga 01:09, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

User:`Abd al-Ghafur

Hi, Tango. Since you were the acting admin in the recent blocking of the above user for edit warring, I guessed I should inform you that, after being unblocked, he has not changed his editing habits nor started talking to users on article talk pages. I don't know how best to handle this, because any reversion of his edits with an explanation to take it to the talk page is basically ignored, I figured it might just be best to let an admin know. Please let me know if there's a way to possibly better handle this next time- I've been around for a while but I'm still not really experienced with Misplaced Pages processes. :) --ForbiddenWord 16:36, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I'll take a look. --Tango 16:54, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

1request for comment

would you mind commenting here please? Cholga 02:03, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Laveol, Mr. Neutron, ShippingIndustry

OK. I guess 2 of those person have been Laveol, Mr. Neutron or ShippingIndustry. I guess they're same person using proxies or something. All of them just use to vandalize and edit the same pages 7/24. It's obviously they're paid to do that by some propagandist organizations. They also accuse me without proofs and vandalize my pages all the time. I guess it's a part of their strategy to stop me to write on Misplaced Pages. Can you check out those users' IP's and their edits, please? Thanks, --Amacos 04:06, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I can't take a look at their edits, but that's as much as I can do. You need checkuser privileges to find out users' IP addresses. I'll look at the edits, and if it looks worth a checkuser, I'll make the request. --Tango 13:15, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

ShippingIndustry looks like a sockpuppet, but the account hasn't been used in over a month, so I don't think there's any reason to do anything about it. If it starts editing again, we can act then. The other two don't look like obvious sockpuppets to me. If you want, you can go to Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets and give detailed evidence (edits they've made that suggest they are the same person, for example). If you think they are being paid to edit, you could try the conflict of interest noticeboard, but I doubt you'll get anywhere with that, it's pretty much impossible to prove. --Tango 13:28, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

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Birmingham meetup

Hi there, I noticed you put your name down as interested in a Birmingham meetup. Just letting you know, the date is now set as Saturday 20th October. We really need input on where, and what time we will meet, so comments would be much appreciated on the page. Thanks. Majorly (talk) 13:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Possible sockpuppetry by currently blocked editor

Hello. I wanted to apprise of possible chicanery. You previously blocked this editor for one month for edit warring at Subregion; after that editor posted notice to you through IP User:189.154.52.229 in circumvention of your block, the blocking period was doubled. Well, this editor may be at it again: please observe recent point-of-view edits at this template by IP User:189.154.77.175: both IPs are from the same vicinity (Monterrey, Mexico) -- as is the blocked editor, per that editor's user page -- with similar addresses, and the convergence of these three editors/edits is most likely not coincidence.

You may choose to deal with this further, and would encourage corrective actions. Anyhow, thanks for your attention to this. 216.234.60.106 01:53, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

The IP address added "North America" to a list of Mexico related pages and then removed it again. How is that POV? --Tango 12:24, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

It may or may not be POV. That is not the issue: what may be is that the addition and removal of information by that IP, in combination with the positioning of the blocked editor above regarding that template and collegial editing with User:Supaman89, may lead one to believe that they are one and the same person. Even the detail for each IP on WHOIS is similar (e.g., both belonging to LACNIC). Anyhow, do with it what you will. 216.234.60.106 22:28, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

They almost certainly use the same ISP. More than that, we have no way to tell. The only two edits the IP address has made are to an article about its home country, so we can't really say they are the same person because they have the same interests. If you see any disruptive edits from that IP range, please let me know, but as long as the edits stay acceptable, I think we have to give the benefit of the doubt. Thanks for keeping me informed, though. --Tango 10:53, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your attention to this. I will notify you of any anomalies I come across. 216.234.60.106 12:33, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

As if someone was reading my mind: this report is pertinent to the above. Perhaps additional action is warranted? In the very least, I will list the IP above in the sockpuppetry report. 216.234.60.106 00:09, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello Tango, it's me Supaman89, I've just been informed that someone... has asked for a usercheck on my account arguing that AlexCovarrubias and I might be the same person, so I just wanted to let you know that I strongly support the checking so we can clarify all this issue, Alex and I would like a public checkuser and if necessary I give permission to do it, regards. Supaman89 19:05, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

The checkuser that did the original check is aware of your request. It's entirely up to him, but he doesn't seem keen on doing anything. He doesn't think there's anything he can say that would really clarify the matter. He sticks with his original assessment that you are "possibly" the same person, but it's not likely. --Tango 20:03, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

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RE: G-Virus Composition image

"Hey man, got a question for ya, where'd that G-Virus Composition image come from? That's not in any cutscene I've seen in RE2...

Thanks Tango"

Do you mean the one from this page? I'm pretty sure it's in Resi2, man. Either that or its an exclusive in Weskers Report 1. Here's a link: Weskers Reports. It's number three that the picture is from. Hope it helps. --Garfunkle20 17:02, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Must be a different Tango - I have no idea what you're talking about. Sorry. --Tango 18:26, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Strange... Well, sorry about the mishap :p --Garfunkle20 21:55, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

AlexCovarrubias

I've unblocked Alex, because he agreed via email to voluntarily limit himself to one revert per day per page for the foreseeable future. I have no objection to your reblocking him if he violates this. I think that he didn't understand that posting here via IP would be considered block violation, although he is now of course aware that he should have posted on his own talk page. Picaroon (t) 23:46, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough. Personally, I would have waited until the original 1 month block was up, but after that, I was planning on unblocking him early myself. An extra month was overkill, really - I must have been having a bad day. --Tango 00:43, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

RE:

I've decided to get Independance day to GA-class. A list of improvements is here, and one of them is to remove that whole paragraph as it does not drive the plot. Eariler some IPer reverted my entire revision to the plot, and a while ago my revisions where always reverted pertainging to the trivia. Its ovbious that noo one bothered to look at the assessment, therefore any revert to an eariler revision, I assume bad faith; I would say these reverts where going on within a periods of weeks. I'm annoyed at these revisions when they're just screaming "NO! dont change! its better this way!" when theyre not thinking about it from a Wikipedians POV. THROUGH FIRE JUSTICE IS SERVED! 01:26, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Plus, now take a took at his edits on Thomas J. Whitmore, and the film. This person ovbiously does not want to comply. THROUGH FIRE JUSTICE IS SERVED! 12:12, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

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Is that you on groklaw?

Conversation seems overheated. For what it's worth, your advice is more likely to be effective than a call to arms. Sorry that you have to be the one to apparently destroy people's faith in Misplaced Pages. Cool Hand Luke 20:46, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it's me. PJ is, understandably, taking it all rather personally - probably because it is quite personal. I'm on my way to look at the article properly and see if there's anything I can do without having the research all the disputes in full... --Tango (talk) 20:50, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

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Misplaced Pages:The Core Contest

Could you tweak the banner you put on the project page - I was not aware that the endorsement of the Misplaced Pages community was an issue. --Sagaciousuk 22:33, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I think the fact that a large number of people have objected to the project shows that it is very much an issue. --Tango (talk) 22:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

To be honest, there aren't a large number of people objecting. It's the same few people, over and over and over... --Sagaciousuk 22:59, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

This edit restores a contentious piece of information you've now added twice to a fully protected page. That is textbook wheel warring, and I strongly advise you to revert yourself. WilyD 22:56, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

It's not contentious, it's simple fact. It's inclusion may be contentious, but the information certainly isn't. Would you prefer it if I just removed the inappropriate protection and then made the edit? --Tango (talk) 23:04, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Unprotecting a page that's locked because of a dispute to edit it is also highly inappropriate conduct. Only uninvolved admins should unlock or edit pages, and only when a consensus is reached. WilyD 23:32, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I was never involved in the dispute that resulted in it being protected, so as far as undoing the protection is concerned, I am an uninvolved admin. Also, we don't require a consensus to be reached before unprotecting pages, we just require things to have calmed down. --Tango (talk) 23:35, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

You're now an involved admin, by any reasonable understanding of the term. Any reasonable understanding of "calmed down" could also not apply to the page in question. WilyD 23:42, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

The dispute over the banner has nothing to do with the dispute that resulted in the protection. The protection doesn't even work against the banner dispute, as has been demonstrated. The dispute that resulted in the protection has, to know knowledge, calmed down - to the extend that it was ever heated enough to require protection in the first place. --Tango (talk) 23:49, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Of course, this is just advice, you're free to disregard it. Of course, that people are using the page as an attack forum against a bunch of editors is likely to result in in moving up the dispute resolution tree, and I wouldn't want to be seen to have wheel warred there. Your mileage, as usual, may vary. WilyD 14:43, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

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That number ...

Just to warn you, arguing with these people tends to have only one benefit, and that's discovering brand new ways to prove the equality. If this guy is anything like the ones from the talk page archives (and if I'm right, he is one of them, and I know which one I suspect), he's going to make the same old arguments, the same old mistakes, and have the same old inability to agree with any of our conclusions, even if they come from assumptions he is perfectly willing to accept. On the other hand, arguing with these people may cause hypertension, nausea, frustration, bile, and the desire to take a sledgehammer to their head, so don't lose your cool. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 22:08, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I find idiots entertaining. ;) It's also a good way to improve your own understanding of the topic. My understanding of infinitesimals is much better after trying to work out how to explain where he's been going wrong than it used to be. Oh, and I reserve slegdehammers for computers - people get AK 47's. :) --Tango (talk) 22:25, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

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Meetup

Hi there, I noticed you expressed interest in the Birmingham meetup last October. Just letting you know, another UK meetup is in planning stages, here. We need input on where and when we will meet so comments would be much appreciated. Thanks. Majorly (talk) 16:49, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

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What should I do to undelete my article

Hallo:

You deleted my article on omnovia. If you review the article you see that it is not advertising but information about a company. There are names of competitors as well as a presentation on the general new technologies.

Would you please tell me what needs to happen for you to reconsider it?

Danke Schoen,

Peter

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Deletion of Damory Coaches

This is absolutely ridiculous. Plain stupid! At 21:06pm I got a message on my talk page saying that Damory had come up for speedy deletion. Now, I know that is is notable, as it was an article about a bus operator, just like any other one. Maybe it did need to show more significance in the intro - which I would have done happily. But before I could even add the "Hang-on" tag, at 21:08pm, you deleted the page. I spent around 20 minutes of my time making the article, to try and help Misplaced Pages expand on the Go-Ahead Group. Yet as soon as I get warned there is a small problem, I don't even get a chance to fix it. Two minutes it was, just two. No one could have got the hang on tag on the page in time, as I responded immediately. Now I was wondering whether to continue editing and help Misplaced Pages as it was, but this is the final bloody straw. There is no sense in what happened here at all. Why doesn't someone go and delete every bus-related article on Misplaced Pages. -- Arriva436 (talk) 21:21, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

And, if you look at the log, if was 21:07 the page was marked, so that makes it around one minute! -- Arriva436 (talk) 21:31, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for replying on my user page. If it would be possible, I would be very grateful if you could "undelete the article and move it to a subpage of my user page". I do realise that companies aren't automatically notable, and was working towards this, but I do accept I should have done it sooner. On the time it was deleted in, fair enough if you didn't notice, I admire administrators for what they do and I'm sure things need to be done quickly! So as I said, if you could move the page onto a subpage of my user page for me to work on it would be brilliant! Thanks -- Arriva436 (talk) 16:15, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Done! --Tango (talk) 16:41, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much!!!! -- Arriva436 (talk) 16:47, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

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Re: huggle

Show, or at least allow easy access to, contribs and user talk page when automatically bringing up block dialog box. (I like to make sure the previous warnings were valid before blocking.) --Tango (talk) 11:57, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Hm. Would you prefer I make the form non-modal, so you can switch back to huggle and check the user's contribs/talk page through that, or would you prefer I add links to the block form that brought up the user's contribs/talk page in your web browser? – Gurch 12:13, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Either would work. I think having them open in the web browser is slightly better since it gives more freedom for checking the contribs (can open them in tabs and flick back and forward between the edits and the associated warnings, for example). --Tango (talk) 12:29, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi Tango!

Since I've found you in the recent AfD on Adult-child sex not too opposed to the general idea to strengthen our encyclopedia with reliable, comprehensive, substantial, and essential material also on unpopular topics, and since you obviously have a basic grasp of German, I've been meaning to ask about your support.

A thought I've been harboring lately is putting up an essay within my userspace on the main source for my draft (which is Bleibtreu-Ehrenberg 1985/88) to one day maybe be moved to Misplaced Pages, WikiBooks, or WikiEssays. I'd once put this up on the German Misplaced Pages as an article and it held up for half a year, from May 2006 until January 2007, until someone on a personal revenge crusade removed it by means of an AfD (where votes were split 50:50 and of course most wanting to get it deleted did nothing more than point to their severe disgust, although that AfD actually lasted for 2 months before it was closed). This essay of mine was actually so influential that I found literal quotes lifted from it in a nation-wide newspaper endorsing them, that literal quotes were endorsed by a German General Medical Council, and just the same with an official brochure issued by an Austrian government department, I found my very own words in all those cases. Googling for it, I found that a number of people had saved personal backups of the article in various places on the web, and there also were several forums debating its content while linking to my article on Misplaced Pages.

So, I've been meaning to ask you if you'd be willing to have a look at my German essay after I'll have put it up in my userspace here on the English Misplaced Pages and tell me whether you think it's a good idea for me to translate it to English and for the time being leaving it as the draft of an English Misplaced Pages article in my userspace to one day maybe be moved to Misplaced Pages, WikiBooks, or WikiEssays. The basic idea of this essay of mine is a Misplaced Pages article on an existing work (Bleibtreu-Ehrenberg 1985/88), comparable to articles such as Civilization and Its Discontents and Dialectic of Enlightenment. --TlatoSMD (talk) 04:23, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

I doubt my German is good enough to be able to provide constructive criticism of an essay like that, sorry. I'm not quite sure what you intend this essay to be - is it an encyclopaedic description of the work, or an academic analysis of it? The latter would be original research and would be deleted pretty quickly. If it's the former, the only issue I can see is notability - as long as the work is notable enough to warrant an article about it, the subject matter shouldn't be an issue. The reasons given for deleting the Adult-child sex article were to do with the style of the article and the fact that much of it was duplicated, rather than the subject matter itself (although, the reasons people gave may not quite the real reasons, admittedly). --Tango (talk) 14:29, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

It's supposed to be an encylopedic description, similar in concept to the existing articles Civilization and Its Discontents and Dialectic of Enlightenment, hence I've linked the two. The notability is cleared up right at the top as being the only academic work internationally beside Feierman largely using a sociobiological approach to the subject, while being actually more comprehensive and less ethnocentric and chronocentric than Feierman. --TlatoSMD (talk) 19:40, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't think being one of a kind makes it automatically notable. It needs lots of independent discussion in the media, other academic papers, awards related to it, or something like that. --Tango (talk) 20:10, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

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My effort to regain adminship was unsuccessful, But I wanted to thank you for taking some time out of your day to voice your opinion.--MONGO 19:25, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

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Bpeps and Rollback

I was rejected once then it was given to me and then itgot took off me and then that boy went mad or something about his cousin and he refused it before his hissy fit. I'm a good editor - I just got hot with a single editor which definately did not disrupt the project or surely not disable me from having a tool which a monkey could get after a week of RC - its unfair. It really is. BpEps - t@lk 22:39, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Accusing someone of having a "hissy fit" is not the kind of behaviour I expect from someone requesting rollback. Learn to take "no" for an answer. Give it a month or two, there's no hurry. --Tango (talk) 22:44, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I didn't accuse him of having a hissy fit he did it in front of everyone on his talk page. Wasn't my fault he went ape was it? I prayed for that guy when he was pretending to be involved in a terrible accident. Counter vandalism isn't about talk pages Tango. Its about soaping a mop and being able to deal with quick vandalism attacks quickly. Hey if I get a new account do you think it would like make be a born again wikipedian? Please give me roll back tango. no is so harsh. I've waited two weeks to ask already. BpEps - t@lk 22:51, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

It's calling it a "hissy fit" or going "ape" that's the problem - it's not an appropriate way to talk about a fellow Wikipedian. Making a new account won't help - no-one is going to award rollback to a brand new user. The fact that you seem so desperate to get it gives me serious concern - rollback isn't a reward, or a statement about you as a Wikipedian, it's a tool to help you out doing menial work. Don't make such a big deal out of it. The bigger deal you make of it, the less suitable you appear to be. --Tango (talk) 23:07, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

ok i agree with you Comments on rollback policy Just think its unfair the way it seems to be policed at the moment. BpEps - t@lk 23:16, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

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Pure Reason Revolution

A couple of weeks ago, you blocked User:Justpassinby for vandalising Pure Reason Revolution. He then tried to avoid the block by sockpuppeting: see Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/Justpassinby. He's been making more subtle edits since, but some still seem to me to be vandalism, e.g. this one, while others strike me as gaming the system. Would you be so kind as to take a look at the situation? Bondegezou (talk) 15:12, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I'll take a look. --Tango (talk) 15:16, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Bondegezou (talk) 15:21, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I've reverted his most recent edit and suggested he discuss the problems on the talk page. He seems to be using the talk page for related issues, so I expect he will take that advice. If he continues to remove the citations without establishing a consensus on the talk page, let me know. --Tango (talk) 15:25, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

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Huggle User Category

Hi there. I have seen that you use huggle by the fact that you have automatically updated the huggle white list(it does this when closing huggle). I was wondering if you would add the category ] to your user page so that it fills out and we know who actually uses huggle. If you do not want to you do not have to. I am also sorry if i have already talked to you about this or you no longer use huggle but i sent it to everyone that has edited the page since mid January. I hope we can start to fill out this category. If you would like to reply to this message then please reply on my talk page as i will probably not check here again. Thanks. ·Add§hore· /_Cont 18:27, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

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could you possibly go in your preferences (in the top right of the screen) and enable an email address where users can mail you? You could use a hotmail or similar type which you've made solely for the purpose, that way it wouldn't breach any privacy. Only I could then send you that link.:) The special, the random, the lovely Merkinsmum 19:01, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I thought I did have email enabled... very odd... I've done it now. --Tango (talk) 19:05, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

You have mail.:) The special, the random, the lovely Merkinsmum 19:14, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

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Your revert on 0.999....

"revert - should say "real", by denseness, rational is still true, but for the rest of of the sentence to make sense, it needs to be real"

x is infinitesimal if for every natural number n, nx < 1. In other word x is infinitesimal if x is smaller than 1/n for every natural number. Thus x is infinitesimal if it's smaller than every positive rational number. Sentence makes more sense with rational.

But if it's only smaller than every positive rational, that leaves open the possibility that it's still a positive real, since the reals are larger than the rationals. The sentence goes on to talk about the Archimedean property of the reals, so it needs to be a real number for that to make sense. Just relying on the rationals being Archimedean isn't enough, since that would still allow infinitesimal reals. --Tango (talk) 16:56, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism in articlespace from indef blocked user?

How is this possible if you've blocked him?LeadSongDog (talk) 05:58, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Interesting. It looks like I blocked him a few seconds after another admin did, that admin only blocking for 24 hours, and his is the one that took. A slight bug in the program I use for vandal fighting, it seems - it shouldn't have posted the notification. I'll check his contributions and see what should be done now. Thanks for letting me know. --Tango (talk) 12:13, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

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Busy next Sunday?

Meetup? Hope it's not too short notice. Majorly (talk) 14:45, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi tango

can you please prove that that user:dark3345 has nothing to do with me please. im getting quite upset by admins being absolutely convinced that it was me. check out the link below. thanks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Dark3345&action=edit —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.77.215.172 (talk) 19:08, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

How am I meant to do that? The evidence is not in your favour. --Tango (talk) 19:10, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

well what if that user had tried to frame me making death threats or something, surely it could have been proved then. I wish someone would check it out, because i'ts either a total coincidence, or it might be one of the other admins from our thread today i dont know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.77.215.172 (talk) 19:14, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll request a "checkuser" at WP:RFCU. Someone will check what IP addresses the account has been using and say if they are in the same range as the ones you've been using. If they are, that (in addition to the similarities in your writing style) is pretty conclusive proof that it is you. If they aren't, it doesn't tell us much - it could just mean you used a different computer. Proving two accounts are not related is pretty much impossible - the best we can do is show it's unlikely. Let's see what happens. --Tango (talk) 19:19, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Checkuser says you are unrelated: Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Dark3345. I guess it was just a strange coincidence. Hopefully we can all move on now.--Tango (talk) 19:59, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Cool, thanks for checking that out for me. I dont think it was a coincidence, i think it must have been a deliberate hoax. Anyway, danke schoen fur deine hilfe und gute nacht. Ich muss jetzt arbeit weil ich habe mein a levels in etwas ein monat! Und ja, Deutch ist ein von meine faecher! :-S. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.77.133.250 (talk) 20:32, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

On the subject of your block this morning

While I disagree with the block you performed, the length of the block, and the rationale you provided, I want you to know I deeply respect and appreciate any admin trying to keep the pedia safe from incivility. I would also concur that some users push that envelope with more regularity and more severity than others, and concede that User:MONGO is a rowdier cowboy than many. MONGO is also a vastly experienced and savvy editor who chooses to walk a particularly dark beat, and generally speaking protects visible and important pagespace daily from the most vicious of vandals, actual trolls. He daily takes on administrative service and acts like a responsible admin, even without community endorsement or a toolkit. If I had any specific issue with your action, it was that you could have just as easily left a simple few friendly words, and those few words, coming from an uninvolved admin, would have carried some weight, and you might have had a more positive impact, with less molehill/mountain confusion. I just endorse a less process-oriented approach with MONGO in the future. BusterD (talk) 16:17, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments. If I thought a few friendly words would have had any effect, that's what I would have done. People have had such words with MONGO plenty of times in the past, and he hasn't learnt. I decided more affirmative action was required. --Tango (talk) 16:39, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate that MONGO's good faith dedication to being MONGO makes life more complicated from time to time, but the question becomes: did YOU ever had those few friendly words with MONGO? Don't you feel that you both being trusted and well-recognized users, you have an obligation to have a few civil words before lobbing a drive-by incivility warning on his talk for using WP:SPADE in the context of a hugely complex discussion? I don't mean to press this any farther (and MONGO, people love ya, but sometimes we tire of defending you from the same minor charge over and over), but in the case of extremely experienced users, first-level warnings seem somewhat insulting. BusterD (talk) 16:56, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

No, I didn't have those words with him. I didn't see any point, since they have failed in the past. I'm not sure what you mean by a first-level warning - the warning I issued was in accordance with the ArbCom ruling, it wasn't a standard civility warning. --Tango (talk) 16:58, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

You're correct about your warning; I meant to say "formal warnings". BusterD (talk) 17:03, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

A formal warning like that was required by the ArbCom ruling. --Tango (talk) 17:08, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

In my opinion, people like you being Admins are a liability to the project. Giano (talk) 18:01, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Giano, is Tango up for recall? 88.110.157.68 (talk) 18:55, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Recall for one good block on a frequently rude editor, who has been sanctioned by arbcom because of it? Don't be silly. Majorly (talk) 19:00, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I'd vote for recall. Tango didn't understnad the context of what he injected himself into. Thomas Basbol posted to MONGO's talk page when he has repeatedley been asked not to by MONGO. MONGO reverted him for trolling as he has done a number of times to this editor because, frankly, this editor trolls MONGO to get a rise out of him. Basbol complained about his actions being described as trolling (Basbol acknowledges that his account is a SPA so that is not an issue). Basbol tried to get an incivil comment out of my talk page as well. Tango warned MONGO about being incivil. MONGO reverted Tango's warning and basically told him he was a crappy admin for not understanding the whole situation and to get lost. Tango then blocked MONGO. --DHeyward (talk) 20:34, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I would vote for recall too. Giano (talk) 20:50, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you all for your opinions. They are noted. --Tango (talk) 20:50, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

You blocked for too long, yes, but he needed to be blocked. People have tip-toed around problems like this too long. I know where I stand: the need for cooperation is being greater than even the need for content. Many people can do good work, but they have to be able to do good work here. You're the kind of admin we need for situations like this, but it's easier to defend actions like blocks when they are moderate and proportional. DGG (talk) 20:52, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry if I appeared too harsh in my judgement of the TARIFF (Just in case zat Guy is reading) that you initially imposed on MONGO, but events bore out my observation here. Upon review I was also too lenient in my initial suggestion, and the 31 hour duration seems appropriate in context. I also think that you are correct in both applying the warning per ArbCom enforcement, and then acting upon it when it was immediately violated. I think you did, and am doing, the right thing. If this matter has given you pause to think that you might as for a quick review before acting similarly, then I would be pleased to provide an opinion. Cheers. LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:43, 12 April 2008 (UTC) (and this is precisely the reason why I am not open to recall, it is never going to be called upon dispassionately).

Thank you all for your opinions. They are noted. :-) --Tango (talk) 23:07, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

• If you read the header to Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement there is one caution to administrators which I think you'll now recognize the truth of "you should expect reactive behavior from those banned." As with any block, arbitration enforcement blocks tend to bring reaction from the blockee. Unfortunately, it the mess made it to arbitration in the first place, there is usually a lack of consensus in the administrative community, so you often also get reactive behavior from the peanut gallery. Good luck dealing with it. My personal preference is to cut a little extra slack in terms of response to arbitration enforcement actions, but I suspect I am in the minority on that point, and don't even succeed all the time myself. Think about your long run plan, should you intend to continue engaging in arbitration enforcement. GRBerry 01:56, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

• I request recall as well. After what I read on ANI, I have no confidence in you possessing the mop. Nwwaew (Talk Page) (Contribs) (E-mail me) 03:10, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

• I too request your recall as an administrator. ➪HiDrNick! 04:19, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Maybe I'm missing something, but could somebody point me to where Tango has indicated he/she is open for recall? - auburnpilot talk 04:31, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

IMHO, this has all gotten way out of hand and way off-track. In my mind, this entire incident is about overreaction. MONGO overreacted while trying to deal with an admitted SPA. Tango felt compelled to react by posting a caution on his talk. MONGO had every right to deal his talk page any way he wanted, so he deleted the warning, and overreacted by saying Tango should be deadminned. Tango next overreacted by blocking MONGO a week. In discussion since then, Tango has been subjected to what I'll characterize as abusive comments from lots of what I normally consider pretty good editors. Overreaction. Less tried to end this in ANI talk this morning, but for some reason many people still want to pile on Tango. Now some are asking for recall. Overreaction. Overreaction is why MONGO has posted a retired notice on his user page (again). Sometimes I wish we could offer cool-down blocks (my pathetic attempt at irony). BusterD (talk) 05:15, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration

Please see bishzilla _ROARR!! 21:21, 12 April 2008 (UTC).

MONGO

Tango, I've discussed MONGO's block with the latest blocking admin, Orderinchaos, who doesn't mind if it's reviewed and undone. I would like to undo it entirely, because it has led to significant bad feeling, and because you and MONGO had been in dispute before over an uncivil edit summary (you posting it, him warning you). As MONGO has said he's retiring, it seems unnecessary to keep it going. Do you have strong objections to my unblocking? SlimVirgin 02:48, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi again, this is let you know that I've unblocked, as there was significant concern about the block. I've left a comment here. I'd have preferred to wait until you were back online, but given that he'd already served 16 hours, and seems to have left because of the block, I felt it was important to undo it reasonably soon.

I completely support you in your concern about civility on the project, and I also support what you were saying about not wanting to see the definition of "involved" extended too much. However, I feel that people telling admins to "get lost," while not ideal, is not the place to start if we want to fight incivility, especially not when the editor is a long-term user in good standing, and when the comment was made while removing a post from his own talk page. We regularly let a great deal worse than that slide. I also feel that you've had a few run-ins with MONGO, which should have made you hesitate to block him unless the offence was particularly egregious.

Having said that, I see no reason not to believe you acted in good faith. I think this was just a mistake, and we all make them, so I hope both you and MONGO can put it behind you. SlimVirgin 06:13, 13 April 2008 (UTC)