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The Stinger Report Issues

Thank you for your comments, I have gone through the page and removed the interview and toned down the descriptions. The only thing that I have problems with is that you say 'reliable sources' - I think 1up.com and SPONG.com are respected consumer industry sites (as well as three trade associations)- also the amusement industry is small so there are only a limited number of references to be had, as many as possible have been used to show fairness. What else could be done to this page? Stingerreport (talk) 16:57, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I think you could say that 1up.com and SPONG.com are reliable sources, the point I'm making is that if you find something that goes on length about Stinger, but is on John Q. Public's random blog, then it wouldn't work for a source. As for what else could be done, it's really just an issue of finding good sources that talk specifically about the Stinger Report. Not that reprint information gleaned from it, not that talk about the founder, just about Stinger itself. Veinor 17:17, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your valuable observations. The Page has been paired down of reference about the founder, the interviews, and uses references only talking about the Stinger Report and not written by the Stinger. Also details on the service operation and areas of coverage have been extended - with a re-write of the start and description as suggest. Please can you confirm this is more in keeping with Wiki requirements? (I will also be pairing down more the external links to three) Stingerreport (talk) 17:55, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Kalirai

I added my name to my article on 'Kalirai', i do not understand why i cannot take credit for this page by adding my name as all the information is provided by myself after careful research. The article relates to myself as i am a 'Kalirai' and the village which i have written about is the village that my roots are from. I made the page seeing no-one had written anything or created anything and now that I have people want to take it over. i do not understand, i want a way to be credited on the main page as this is very personal to me. Kalirai (talk) 16:57, 20 April 2008 (UTC)! Veinor

Sumeet Kalirai

The point of Misplaced Pages, and indeed of the whole wiki concept is community collaboration; if you didn't want people to 'take over' your article then you probably shouldn't have made it. But as it stands, when you created the page, you agreed to license it under the GFDL, which gives other people the right to create derivatives of your work. If we allowed people to maintain exclusive control over articles that they had created, then it would devolve into anarchy as people with competing biases worked to publicize their particular version of a controversial event more than the other guy's, so to speak. So we don't let people put their names on the main article precisely because it causes divisiveness. Veinor 17:04, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

If there is any way at all i can be known as the initiator then please do let me know. Kalirai (talk) 17:29, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Your username is permanently marked in the page's history; it will not be removed unless the page is deleted, and even then it will still exist in the deleted pages archive, though it will only be visible to admins. And you could create your userpage by editing this page and add your name, and whatever else you want people to know about you. Although your userpage is still technically part of the Wiki and thus open to community editing, you will have much more exclusive control over it; see the userpage guidlines for more information. Veinor 17:33, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

jamiecg74

I am unsure specifically what it is about my article that is not allowed. The fact that I did gain national newspaper coverage on two occasions surely would be ok? Once for the selling of the carrier bag on eBay (people still talk about it today) and it was in the Daily Mail as I have uploaded the picture to prove it, and the other as I did appear int he Guardian newpapaper, and their website. I did also appear in the Whizzer & Chips comic in 1985, so there are three seperate publications that I have had something printed - two with pictures as well. Can you tell me what I can and cannot keep? I am happy to compromise. Jamiecg74. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamiecg74 (talk • contribs) 21:04, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

The Whizzer and Chips thing is basically what is considered a 'trivial mention' under the notability guidelines for people; it's something so small that it doesn't really count. I was in a car accident when I was young and my name was briefly mentioned on the news, but that doesn't really qualify me for an article. The same goes for the "spot the ball" one; somebody winning a local newspaper competition again doesn't really count for much.

As for the Daily Mail, I believe that the picture you uploaded is indeed real. However, I don't believe that getting one article written up about you in a national newspaper is really all that notable; though again, I could be wrong. This is why I've nominated it for deletion, instead of just going and deleting it myself, so that the community can give its input. Veinor 21:09, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

How will the community decide and how long will it take before I am notified of a decision? I have uploaded two photographs to validate the information so it least I am not making all this up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamiecg74 (talk • contribs) 21:13, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

The decision is made via the Article for Deletion process; it takes five days. At the end, an administrator (who has not previously stated their opinion) will look at the arguments for and against keeping the article and decide to keep or delete it, as they deem appropriate. The debate is held at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Jamiecg74. Veinor 21:51, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

HDRAPER

I understand your concern that the Draper edit is a bit long, but it is an accurate and complete biography with slew of citations. This wikipedia page is part of University of Florida class project where we have to put our biographies on the webpage. If it could be left up for just a week, that would be great. Thanks HDRAPER (talk) 22:12, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

'Your' biographies? I assume you mean biographies that you wrote... unless you are indeed a resurrected Mr. Draper.

In any case, the thing of it is that we usually don't allow people to keep their pages up for school projects or whatever. However, you can copy-paste it into someplace in your userspace, so to speak, which would be a page that starts with User:HDRAPER, such as User:HDRAPER/Henry Draper. You could tweak it then, convert the citations (which I do agree there are a good number of) into a standard wiki format, which uses <ref> tags and {{cite}} templates, and pare down the text to something more manageable. Veinor 22:18, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Are you an editor of the site or something or just a user? And yes, I am part of a class of about 20 people who wrote biographies of scientists and will probably be doing the same thing I just did here in the next week.74.239.58.220 (talk) 23:17, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm an administrator; it's one level above registered user. There's a couple higher levels, though, so it's not like I have any sort of final authority over anything. In any case, I wish you and your class well, and would appreciate it if you pass on my advice: that the articles don't have to be quite as big as that one, though the effort is definitely appreciated. Also make sure to look into that link I posted above about citations; it makes it easier both for people to check them. Veinor 23:22, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Stephen J. Petrick

Hello. I'm about to close your Afd nomination as delete. Thanks for partcipating. BTW, that was going to be my first non-admin closure. Cheers. Please delete it if it seems it neccessary.--RyRy5 (talk) 03:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Speadily deleted Melville Rovers Football Club Page

Hi, i created the page Melville Rovers Football club as am currently doing so for all the teams in the district league for the university. I am trying to link together all the clubs one by one so that people can access player info and look at club formation. I started with the team i am in as i had all the releveant info- kit colour eg so that teams know what to wear against us. This is not a personal entry as many more will be done. we would also aim to do this for the university hockey and cricket clubs so as to create a more comprehensive picture of recreational sport at our university. i would think that this would be noteable for people coming to the university and theose already at it, cheers Melville rovers (talk) 15:06, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

The problem is that notability isn't just for a specific group of people; it requires the existence of multiple independent reliable sources about the specific group. You haven't shown any coverage by, say, a newspaper or anything about the Melville Rovers Football Club, so I deleted it. I would also caution against creation of more pages along similar lines, as they will likely be deleted for similar reasons. Veinor 15:18, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

BDD page external link

Hi, I'm not sure how you can feel that a link to the website of the world's leading authority on the disorder isn't relevant to the topic? It has nothing to do with advertising. It has nothing to do with search engine results. The link was added to simply convey to people another place they can visit to get a lot more detailed information on the disorder, including links to many free scholarly journal publications that have been authored by Dr. Phillips. It's as relevant as the link to BDD Central, if not more relevant because it's information being provided DIRECTLY by the MD considered by nearly everyone in the field to be the foremost authority on BDD. Just because you didn't see the relationship of the link to the topic, doesn't mean there isn't one - and your comment about "removed because it isn't useful to people who don't live near the clinic" was really unfounded and if you took 5 minutes to investigate the site before you wrote that, you would have seen just how much information is there and just how useful it is to those suffering from BDD and those looking to Misplaced Pages to get more info on the disorder. 128.148.113.4 (talk) 15:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

stockbroker fraud

many people to not even know that they have these rights.

I tried to make this informative rather than an advertisement. Where do I send my permission to?

Thank you for your help.

stockbrokerfraud (talk) 16:19, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Nicholas J. Guiliano, Esquire The Guiliano Law Firm, P.C. 230 South Broad Street, Suite 601 Philadelphia, PA 19102 (215) 413-8223 (Telephone) (215) 413-8225 (Telecopier) njgesq@aol.com www.stockbrokerfraud.com

You send it to permissions-en@wikimedia.org Veinor 16:20, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Evil and testing?!?

Why did you move WP:AN? -- Flyguy649 21:02, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm about to tell stewards to desysop you, please respond. John Reaves 21:04, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Because MBisanz on IRC told me AN was move-protected against admins. Apparently it was a WP:BEANS test. Veinor 21:06, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Which I didnt think he'd actually try and test... MBisanz 21:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Oy vey. John Reaves 21:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Well, that was kinda silly. BTW - checkuser shows the account hasn't been compromised. Might as well post it anyways ... - Alison 21:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

Happy‑melon 21:09, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Next stop here, perhaps? _GB 21:11, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

		You have been sentenced to the Village Stocks
		For being gullible Woody (talk) 21:12, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Maybe you should have read Misplaced Pages:Don't delete the main page. Same exact situation. An IRC user says this, an admin tries it out, and then:

		The Destroyer of the Wiki Barnstar
		Oh my gosh what did you do now it seems there are monkeys and fish everywhere someone help they a...

—  scetoaux (T|C) 21:13, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Darn, I came here with my finger on the blocking trigger looking for some action. --Ezeu (talk) 21:17, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Seconded. There shall be a fish dinner tonight! --Golbez (talk) 21:21, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Anybody want to try out the new crat protection? ;)) Double dare? Woody (talk) 21:25, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

That's more like it! Happy‑melon 21:26, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I wish I didn't have to do this, but I think I probably do: That's a joke, don't do it! There is no such thing as crat protection (although there could be, the software allows for it). --Tango (talk) 21:27, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Aw, you have to go spoil the fun don't you :D ? Hehehe. I think the software only allows for two levels of protection, although you can set the barriers wherever you want. So in order to get crat-only protection we'd have to sacrifice semi :S . I could be wrong though. Happy‑melon 21:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm a spoil sport like that, sorry! As far as I know, there's no limit - there is an array in LocalSetting.php ($wgRestrictionLevels if memory serves) that controls it, and you can just list as many usergroups as you like. --Tango (talk) 21:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Rule of thumb: If you get as far as being able to click the button, it's going to work. MediaWiki tells you that you can't do something before you get to that stage. --Tango (talk) 21:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I was so about to block you when I saw that on my watchlist. Let this be a lesson: Don't believe what you see on IRC. Grandmasterka 21:41, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

AIV

I responded to your comment on the AIV noticeboard. It's not a content dispute since it's a talk page and the comment clearly violates WP:TALK particularly where it states, "Do not be critical in headings." It also violates WP:NOT#FORUM. Further, the blog article attacks Misplaced Pages specifically named editors. --Ave Caesar (talk) 21:45, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay, fine, he was critical in his heading. I also don't think he's using it as a forum; he want to discuss it. Granted, he may not have the viewpoint you agree with, but I at least don't think he's using it as a forum. I won't block, at the very least. Veinor 21:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

How is it not using the talk page as a forum? WP:NOT#FORUM clearly states, " are not mere general discussion pages about the subject of the article, nor are they a helpdesk for obtaining instructions or technical assistance. If you wish to ask a specific question on a topic, Misplaced Pages has a Reference Desk, and questions should be asked there rather than on talk pages." In this case, he is bringing up an absolutely off-topic point - a non-governmental organization's attempts to influence content on Misplaced Pages which has nothing to do with "Allegations of Israeli Apartheid." In addition to this, he has continuously readded the material. --Ave Caesar (talk) 21:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Eh, I guess you have a point. Looks like it's been taken care of, though, as the report is no longer on AIV. Veinor 21:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, either way I think it's more of a problem concerning communication. The user brought it up on the incident noticeboard rather than adding it to the talk page again. Hopefully that is a better area in which to clarify policy concerning the matter. --Ave Caesar (talk) 21:59, 22 April 2008 (UTC)