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As so many have asked about my health, in email and on this page, and been so kind as to offer kind thoughts and prayers for my health, I feel obligated to post an update. For those for whom this is Too Much Personal Information, please just ignore this.
The good news is that none of the truly nasty things which my physician tested for came back positive.
More good news is that I will be back to "normal".
The bad news is that she doesn't expect me up to full par for at least a year, as of my last visit, May 10, 2007, although she assures me if I am a good puppy and follow her directions, I will improve steadily (I'm being a good puppy).
More possible bad news is that she hasn't ruled out all of the nasties, she just wants to see how I'm doing after 6 months before deciding whether to send me for more tests (current condition could be masking other symptoms).
The truly excellent news is that so many people have been so kind and understanding. My thanks to you all.
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If Brad or Alison wish to discuss it with me, they may do so here. I blocked (not "banned") the IP for 3 hours for page-blanking, and there has been no request for unblock on the IP talk page. Decisions about page blanking, blocking, etc. are accomplished here on Misplaced Pages, not on Misplaced Pages Review or any other site or venue. I am unimpressed with any rationale for decisions made elsewhere, and take exception to the implication that I, or any administrator, should do so. KillerChihuahua21:57, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Who cares where - if anywhere - this was discussed? What about because it's the right thing to do? Is there a _reason_ to have "This user has been banned" as the top google hit for someone's real name? Or are you just being obsessed with process? --Random832 (contribs) 22:18, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, they both said that this page should be blanked and they are pretty high on the totem pole. Take that as you will. Why wait, since Alison is going to do this when she gets back anyway? cheers, Jayneofthejungle (talk) 22:02, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
I don't recall that either of them had much to do with Aubrey or are aware of the details of his history here. I fail to see that I should be impressed with anything anyone says on WR. KillerChihuahua22:14, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
The point, or one of them, is that if we really believe in BLP, then the #1 google hit for a real life person should probably not be a page that says "Jon Awbrey is banned from editing Misplaced Pages." True, this is a complex issue when someone who has chosen to edit under his real name gets blocked or banned or taken to Arbcom. However, Awbrey is not such a currently pressing problem that his ban needs to be posted so prominently. It will certainly remain in the history and the block log. Thatcher22:23, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Really? I could argue that is not the case at all. BLP is that we should be very careful that what is in an article about someone is well sourced. This is not an article, and it is certainly factual. However, that's not the issue here. My objection is to WR even being mentioned on my talk page as a place to make decisions on what to do on Wikipeida, followed by the rather insulting insinuation that Brad and Alison "outrank" me in the sense that their off-the-cuff decision elsewhere somehow translates into marching orders for me. This has nothing to do with ArbCom nor checkuser; therefore their "rank" precisely equals mine. I am, in short, highly insulted with how this was handled. I await a civil post from either Brad or Alison, and prefer to drop the subject unless and until that transpires. KillerChihuahua22:27, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Actually, I think BLP is explicit that it applies everywhere, not just articles, and if it isn't it should be. Certainly it applies to article talk pages. What about an AfD of a person where one commenter says, "He's a crackpot but a notable crackpot and antisemite so we should have an article on him." If the article is deleted, should the AfD remain in that form? If the article is kept but does not contain properly sourced allegations of antisemitism or being a crackpot, should the comment be left in the AfD? Personally I think we should be careful in all our spaces. A number of arbitration cases have been "courtesy blanked" for similar reasons. Thatcher22:35, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Concur, and courtesy is not even (or should not be) dependant upon BLP. However, although JA is not a "pressing" issue, he is still an active and annoyng sockmaster, who has stated his intentions to continue to create socks with the intent to cause trouble here. He has not, to the best of my knowledge, ever hinted that he might ever stop. I fail to see why we should extend courtesy to one who is not willing to extend courtesy back. He certainly earned and re-earned his banning. If he wants it off, I feel rather strongly that he should make a commitment to cease making socks here. KillerChihuahua22:42, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
And that's the only objection I have. I would prefer it be discussed on ANI once he does make such a commitment, as well - but my personal objection to blanking would be alleviated by such a statement from Awbrey. KillerChihuahua22:55, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
If their "rank" precisely equals yours - and mine - why is a civil post from me worth less than one from one of them? And with I don't recall that either of them had much to do with Aubrey you imply that you do and therefore that your opinion matters somehow more than theirs, therefore you get to overrule anyone else on this. Well, to that I say - at least they can spell Awbrey. --Random832 (contribs) 22:28, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
And I wasn't implying that they "outrank" you - I was simply implying that the fact that one is an arbitrator and the other a checkuser/oversight - in other words, that they're both highly respected users in good standing - might serve to contradict the idea that it should be ignored because it's a BADSITE. --Random832 (contribs) 22:34, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
The "rank" comment is in response to Jayne's "pretty high on the totem pole" comment.
So anyone who is knowledgeable about any small chunk of history is open to snide and childish rudeness? Interesting approach. I cannot say I condone it.
"should be ignored because its a BADSITE" - you seem to be missing the point by a rather large margin. Its not BADSITE that's the issue. It never was. KillerChihuahua22:39, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
My point is that _you_ claimed to "outrank" _them_ on this issue, implicitly, when you overrode them. Unless you're our resident Awbrey expert, I fail to see how this is the case. And by saying "I fail to see that I should be impressed with anything anyone says on WR." - even when that "anyone" is otherwise highly respected, you are making an issue of the fact that it's WR. --Random832 (contribs) 22:44, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Nonsense. I over-rode an IPs first ever edit, then a newbie who seems to be here to make nonsense articles and tell me I should do what two people, who I have no way of confirming are or are not who they claim to be (being on a completely different site - ANY different site, or IRC, or anywhere NOT Misplaced Pages) regardless of who they claim to be. If they claimed to be Jimbo I'd revert the IP and put a note on Jimbo's page, and/or email him. This is absurd. Other sites are NOT where to make decisions about Misplaced Pages, I've said that several times now, and you persist in painting me as irrationally opposed to one site in particular. Cease this bizarre accusation, nothing can come of it. I certainly "outrank" an IP and two unknowns who aren't even on Misplaced Pages. KillerChihuahua22:55, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
"So anyone who is knowledgeable about any small chunk of history" - You haven't established that you're knowledgeable about this. You haven't even asserted it. Would you like to assert it? And if you know so much about this case, why don't you explain it to the rest of us - why it's so bloody important to put a scarlet letter on this person? --Random832 (contribs) 22:46, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
No, but it doesn't make a difference what he believes. I'm not doing this for Awbrey or WR; WP:BLP is non-negotiable policy, and it weighs in favor of blanking. Do no harm. Cool HandLuke23:50, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
KC: I have commented at more length on the ANI thread but since I have a great deal of respect for you, I just want to say this to you directly for you to think about: BLP applies everywhere on the project, not just in article space. And we should do what's right, even if the subject of our doing right is the biggest weenie the project has ever seen. That makes us better than the weenies. Finally, as a CU, I can tell you I will not be hindered in any way by his page being blanked (not deleted, just blanked)... I know who he is already. So should ever other CU here. ++Lar: t/c03:44, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Then let it be across-the-board, by open discussion and consensus, not a Special Case for one still-disruptive sockmaster; decided offsite on a completely different forum by two individuals. This is completely unacceptable. If we're making a special exception for this person, there need to be special circumstances. If we're changing standard operating procedure for sockmasters, that needs to be made clear. Either way, it needs to be decided here, not anywhere else. KillerChihuahua15:04, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi there, KC. As things have moved on over to ANI, I've commented over there regarding the blanking of JA's userpage. It is my opinion that it should be blanked in deference to the man's RL name. Luke put it rather well when he said "do no harm" and I concur. We're not here to punish people, nor bring their name into disrepute.
Re. the "rank" issue above; I have rather strong opinions on that matter myself. As far as I'm concerned, bits - be they sysop, checkuser or whatever - do not confer greater authority nor standing upon any person. We're all editors on here, IMO, and we all should have equal weight in these matters. Like Lar says, though we've not met much, I've also a great deal of respect for you however I think we're going to have to disagree on this one - Alison07:30, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi there. Sorry, I missed your comment. The part I disagree about is where you said to Thatcher above, "I fail to see why we should extend courtesy to one who is not willing to extend courtesy back." I'm of the opinion that, as it's his RL name, we are somewhat obliged to redact it as it's the proper thing to do, regardless of this editor's actions. WP should not be a battleground, and that applies to Mr. Awbrey, too - Alison18:01, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
In that case, it should apply to all editors who use their real names - what is being proposed is a special, or extra, courtesy to someone who is still vandalizing Misplaced Pages on a regular basis. I suspect we agree in principle and disagree in application. KillerChihuahua18:03, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I think we're largely in agreement on most of the above (including that whole "rank" thing :) ) but disagree in application. Were any editor to request same, I'd likely consider. It's not a simple issue, though ... - Alison18:12, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Good call, pup
Regarding this. Maybe more on that page could be trimmed? I've tried mostly to skip over most of the bramble. Also, please let us know if you hear back from Myers one way or the other about a free picture. Mahalo. --Ali'i15:20, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Nods, that page is getting slow to load and scroll, I think it would be bad to trim any more now, but I plan to watch and remove any other off-topic threads - thanks for the support.
Great! Thanks! Although I don't know if you'll need to send the permission emails to OTRS or some other way of tracking. Brilliantly fast turnaround though. :-) --Ali'i18:35, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Well... I linked to the pic we had in my email. I suspect he was nearly as horrified as we, although he joked it off rather well. KillerChihuahua19:13, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Hey pup, it really cheered me up to see your pawprints on this article when I logged in today. Good to see you again : ) Doc Tropics04:36, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for stepping in and sorting things out on my talk page. I still can't believe that two separate editors thought I was calling an admin a troll. Strange times. But thanks for helping out. Baegis (talk) 07:13, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
No worries - I had trouble believing it as well, but it seems I'm just as completely, so perhaps its something about the phase of the moon (astrology joke, eh? perhaps illness joke better? its contagious? or maybe its just the In Thing to do) KillerChihuahua19:55, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
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Hi, the edit summary you used here seems to discourage any attempt to change the article without obtaining prior approval. This is not the way Misplaced Pages works, and I would like to encourage you to familiarize yourself with some of our policies and guidelines. The guideline at issue is that of WP:BOLD, which is explicitly mentioned in the five pillars of Misplaced Pages. You may also want to review the WP:CONSENSUS policy: I think you will find that, although it is important to gain consensus for edits, one way to do this is to make the edits by being bold. Discouraging all editing on the basis of prior discussion can have a chilling effect, and potentially terrible consequences. I appreciate your attention to this matter in the future. Thank you, silly rabbit (talk) 13:27, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
The statement "Gain consensus BEFORE changing" suggests that it was wrong of me to attempt to make a change without obtaining prior approval. Did I misinterpret you? Perhaps you can clarify your intentions further. silly rabbit (talk) 14:51, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Podbaby, it is good to hear from you (fun plushy is nice bonus!!!) I don't know who is available these days. Leaving Bishonen's page alone as measure of respect for her semi-retirement - also if you must have the truth too darn sad about it to post anything coherent. Zilla was gone then at arbcom then was burning down Reichstaag, I think... I lose track, have been on and off interweb due to my own situation. :-( All very much sadness. But it looks like at least one of the clan is up to friendly visits! Massive hugs and encouragement to all of you. Puppy misses you all. KillerChihuahua18:42, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
