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• ✓ Kanġi Oĥanko (talk) 10:47, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
• no rush Lympathy 18:30, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Talkbacks and other notifications

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Apologies

Sorry about the boo boo over at this guy's page, it had come to a stage where I got really mad at that bugga for constantly flouting wiki's policy on no personal attacks on other editors despite cautioning her/him on more than three separate occasions and the usage of weasel words on a few discussion pages as well as adding multiple coyvio entries in wikipedia. Anyway, thanks for correcting my mistake. Cheers! --Dave1185 (talk) 21:45, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Though you really ought leave it up to admins to apply blocking templates, especially if you're involved =) –xeno (talk) 22:13, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

• Roger, wilco! Cheers! --Dave1185 (talk) 19:24, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Xenobot Request

Hello, Xeno, hope you are well. The guy who runs the bot that normally delivers the Judaism newsletter is on extended wikibreak for medical reasons and I was wondering if Xenobot could fill in? This is the newsletter: Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Judaism/Newsletter, and the full list of recipients (everyone on that page, under all subheaders): User:L'Aquatique/wpjewlist. Note that because the newsletter covers multiple wikiprojects there may be some people who appear in more than one and it would be great if they didn't receive the newsletter multiple times. What else? Oh, it needs to be substed not transcluded if at all possible and if you could instruct it to deliver on the 2nd of August that would be perfect.
Oh, also, I've noticed you've been working on the account creation mailing list- excellent, we really need admins! The only advice I have for you is you don't really need to drag out the long lawyer-text-like notice for when they don't give a desired username. Just reply to both them and the list that they need to pick a username. Saves time! : )
Thanks again- L'Aquatique 04:34, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Yea, good point, those suggested templates are unnecessarily verbose =) Sure thing, I can deliver the newsletter. Any particular header you would like me to use? Any opt-out text from the bot or is that in the newsletter? The bot will sign the text for archivebots to work properly, but I can hide the sig with span tags if you like. –xeno (talk) 11:31, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, it comes preloaded with the header, so all that xbot should have to do is just add {{SUBST:Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Judaism/newsletter}} to the bottom of all the people's talk page. Sign it any way you want! The opt out is built in- there is a note at the bottom of the newsletter which provides a link to the list I gave you so then people just remove their names themselves. Oh, just in case you didn't see this, there are several headers of lists, make sure you get all the people. Thanks so much for doing this- L'Aquatique 05:06, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Shall do =) –xeno (talk) 14:02, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

The adoption.

Wait, what about sock puppetry? I'm afraid I must have missed something? --JpGrB 01:06, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

It looks like they created multiple accounts to try and argue for the inclusion of those articles. With that in mind, I wouldn't blame you if you washed your hands of this particular person, and found a more clueful adoptee from C:ADOPT. –xeno (talk) 01:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking about that. I believe I will this user a few weeks to turn around their attitude. If they still seem to be in this "funk" by then, I'll start anew. I'd like to help editors who want to learn to better this encyclopedia, just as editors who have bettered it when I began here. And hopefully this editor will turn around. If that makes sense. But I do thank you for your help. --JpGrB 19:59, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Question

Was this a no-no? J.delanoy_adds 15:01, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, it would've been better just to say something like this. But, I'm not completely innocent of playing along with IP's silly unblock templates: User talk:78.151.161.213. –xeno (talk) 15:02, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

With Gwarp and Haggar edits right off the bat, he can rot in a hole... you know, IMHO, not that I would ever be BITEy or anything... - Adolphus79 (talk) 15:12, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

that's another user altogether... but I am curious to see how he handles the 2nd chance template. –xeno (talk) 15:13, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Impressive start. –xeno (talk) 15:17, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:DUCK, my friend, WP:DUCK... ;) - Adolphus79 (talk) 15:27, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

The fact that he chose a devon-related article, the template of which was recently hagger-ized, certainly doesn't do much to allay my concerns. –xeno (talk) 15:28, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Another one

Would it be inappropriate for me to delete First daughter first son? See this. J.delanoy_adds 17:13, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Hrm, if you were the first and only prodder, I'd say "maybe" but since you guys (apparently non-ec double-prodded?) , I don't think it would be a huge problem if you were to delete it. –xeno (talk) 17:16, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok, so basically, as long as I'm not the only person who thinks it should be deleted, I should be OK? J.delanoy_adds 17:21, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Pretty much. That article is cut-and-dry. If you were the only one to prod it, I'd probably say "let someone else do it". –xeno (talk) 17:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Spoilers

I recently encountered a user attempting to add a spoiler warning to a page. I noticed the spoiler template existed once but was deleted. Is there any protocol re information considered a spoiler, or are spoiler comments left untouched? Washburnmav (talk) 16:08, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages does not omit spoilers, as it should be obvious an encyclopedia will cover subjects in detail. Relevant policy is here: WP:SPOILER. –xeno (talk) 16:43, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Gotcha, I was just wondering if there was a notification of "spoilers to follow", but I see now there is not. Thanks Washburnmav (talk) 17:54, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

{{Adminhelp}}

Yo Xenocidic: I created this template using the category you changed to, but Werdan7 (talk · contribs) objected here. I think the template is a good idea and would like to have it work in the manner you have changed it to do, but don't want to cause anyone trouble. Any ideas? Skomorokh 18:25, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I see................ Hrm... Not making it a subcategory would be one way. Lemme see what keeper has to say about it, he found it. –xeno (talk) 18:31, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Ha, pwned. I already posted at Skomorokh's page. I like it, and I support the differentiation for specific needs. If it's used even once a week effectively, it's useful enough. Keeper ǀ 76 18:33, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

User:Paperbroke1

I'm going to deny his unblock request and throw in a 2nd chance template. Does that sound alright with you? Okiefromokla 18:28, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Definately...go for it. –xeno (talk) 18:29, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Just personal preference, but I find it reads better if you decline it with a "See below" and then subst it into a new talk page section. –xeno (talk) 18:42, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Eh, might do that next time :) Okiefromokla 20:57, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Good job!

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		Well golly gee! Per , I award you this barnstar! Great job mate! Where did you find the energy to complete such a lengthy conversation?! Surely took a load off my shoulders. Happy editing! ----eric (mailbox) 18:48, 29 July 2008 (UTC)}}

heh... oh yea, that was a lot of fun =) thanks for the barnstar.... i've had a few convos like that. find the one about the guy's signature... eesh! =) –xeno (talk) 18:55, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

xD ----eric (mailbox) 18:57, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for unblocking my account

Thank you for unblocking my account. I've tried to tell coworkers that wikipedia is not a joke, but I guess you can't have everyone listen to you. tabor- 19:19, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, i'm familiar with your co-worker... it's too bad that he went rogue. –xeno (talk) 19:20, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, too bad. Misplaced Pages is the only website outside of company websites we have access to, so using it makes the time go by quicker. Many thanks though! tabor- 19:29, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Give me a break

It wasn't a good faith talk. It's just someone being a nimrod and making rude comments. --Reezy (talk) 19:34, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Can you give me some context as to what this is about? never mind, I figured it out. it wasn't a big deal, if it had been, I would've left you a message. still shouldn't remove others talk pages comments. –xeno (talk) 19:41, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Image:RivetHandtool.jpg

I see that you declined my speed delete of this image. I'm just curious why, because I feel it is blatant advertising. The image focus is solely on the logo of manufacturer. In the background you can make out a fuzzy rivet tool, but I don't think that justifies the use of the image. If you got to the talk page for the rivet article you'll notice that others think that the image is worthwhile either. I'm sure that a better image of a riveting tool can be found. Thanks! Wizard191 (talk) 20:02, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Hrm... I suppose I see your point. I'm not really familiar with "rivet tools" so I didn't know that it wasn't a good depiction of one, and only after I declined the speedy did I see the talk page discussion about it. I'll undo my edit and let someone else handle it. –xeno (talk) 20:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Wizard191 (talk) 20:12, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Looks like someone agreed with you: (Deletion log); 21:55 . . Athaenara (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Image:RivetHandtool.jpg" (WP:CSD#G11: blatant advertising (likely copyvio as well). Created by Rivetpro, tagged by Wizard191.) =) –xeno (talk) 02:02, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Celebratory

This template must be substituted, see Template:Smile for instructions I just hit 1,000 Edits! I've come a long way =) Washburnmav (talk) 21:07, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

nice! congrats =) but remember: edits don't define your worth as an editor... consider trying to unplug from the vandal fighting once in a while and work on articles (lol as if I am one to be saying this ;>) –xeno (talk) 21:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I'm more of a copyeditor, and I have unplugged to heavy amounts of that to various pages such as Seax and Persian war elephants(a work in progress). I'll try to expand more in the future. Washburnmav (talk) 00:04, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah, ok, glad to hear it. =) By the way, someone just told me it would be naive to unblock our 'hypothetical' vandal... ;> –xeno (talk) 00:08, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Haha, well I don't blame them, I did seem tlike an unlikely case. However, it seems it's definitely worth the chance, as its so easy to fix any future vandalism had you been wrong in unblocking. When giving a 2nd chance is so harmless, its hard not to warrant it in my mind. Especially if a decent unblock/2nd chance template request is made. Washburnmav (talk) 16:55, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Pretty much what I said =) "Vandals are a dime a dozen, but constructive contributors are golden". –xeno (talk) 16:57, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Madhukar (author)

I've responded on my talk page, but I just wanted you to know I'm happy to work with you (and the author) if it means we get a useful article out of it, and I've been known to make mistakes. Accounting4Taste:talk 22:14, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks for your excellent suggestion -- I agree completely with your proposed course of action. As I said there, I'm only sorry to have caused you extra trouble in the sense that I have to go offline and can't do what's needed myself. Accounting4Taste:talk 22:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

No problem at all. –xeno (talk) 22:23, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to keep bugging you...

Image:Miley cyrus2.jpg.

Did I handle that right? I mean, are images that are blatant copyright violations deletable on sight? (And yes, I know I tagged it for speedy deletion first - sue me. I'm not used to being an admin :P ) J.delanoy_adds 00:18, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Images are not my forte, but I would say, yea, that's probably appropriate. And no problem. –xeno (talk) 00:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Deliver newsletter for Shepbot?

Hi, could you deliver this newsletter for the LGBT project? Banjeboi 10:56, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

 Done. cheers, –xeno (talk) 13:45, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

A comment...

...on this: the editor in question is clearly brimming with clue. I don't think you'll make or break this discussion, from the way things look so far, but it would be good to at least go neutral. Having been at it a few weeks myself, I can say from experience that the best experience is...experience. You can't possibly cover all the scenarios in advance; the overriding criterion has to be proper judgment. In the same way we want to turn editors toward expanding constructively, let's be careful to avoid overwhelming potential admins. If good editors are golden, good admins are...latinum (the Ferengi version), perhaps?  Frank  |  talk  14:23, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Yea, I'll be taking another look soon. Still going through the morning routines. –xeno (talk) 14:26, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

On a somewhat-related note, regarding your most recent edit there...did you notice that comment came from the same one that suggested I was harassing (see thread near the top of this page)?  Frank  |  talk  15:15, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I was actually going to drop in and tell you - the reason they're staunchly defending pageblanking is because they are a big fan of blanking their page without responding to queries. –xeno (talk) 15:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Curious re: blocking procedure

I noticed with regards to User:Dackler099, it appears (he) was blocked after one bad edit. I'm only asking because I don't know the finer intricacies of wikipedia policy, but it is possible to block someone with one bad (albeit egregious) edit as opposed to escalating warnings? --Blehfu (talk) 17:25, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, if they are evading a block. See his block log. His previous advertising-only account received several warnings. –xeno (talk) 17:28, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Ahh-- I guess admins have ways of tracking IPs? Thanks for the layout tweak btw. --Blehfu (talk) 18:05, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

If necessary, but I invoked the WP:DUCK clause. No problem. –xeno (talk) 18:06, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

How old

Hey I was just curious but how old are you? --Xander756 (talk) 19:14, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

The NES was my first console. –xeno (talk) 19:15, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

That gives no indication of age. You could currently be seven and your first console just happened to be an NES. Lost of retro gamers out there. --Xander756 (talk) 19:16, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I got it when it came out, and I've graduated university. –xeno (talk) 19:18, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Were you 15 when it came out or 35? Why are you being so avoidant? --Xander756 (talk) 19:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Privacy concerns. Why do you to know how old I am? –xeno (talk) 19:22, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Said right in my initial message, I am just curious. Sorry but I just don't see the point in hiding a persons age. Not like I asked for you Social Security Number or something. --Xander756 (talk) 19:23, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I got the NES when I was a young'in and I entered University right after high school and graduated not too long ago. Maybe I'm paranoid, but imo revealing precise personal details on the Internet is dangerous. I'm in my 20's. –xeno (talk) 19:25, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I'd say "young 'un", but then Keeper wouuld probably come in here and chide me for that. :-) Tan ǀ 39 19:27, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

(too funny that I e/c'ed with you Tan) NES was your first console! You're a pup!. And Xander, there is absolutely no valid reason, including curiousity, to be asking your question, and when not given an answer to your liking, to continue to badger. Shoo. Keeper ǀ 76 19:29, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Do you have omniscient judgment? If not I don't think you could tell me if I do or don't have a reason for asking something especially in such a rude manner. Thanks. --Xander756 (talk) 19:37, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, Keeper is right. You're badgering, and then being snarky when called on it. Stop. Tan ǀ 39 19:39, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

(re to Xander). Xander, you're a good editor. You've had a bad day, and are getting a bad rap on Request for Permissions/ANI. Misplaced Pages is not worth the stress. I recommend a cold beer (if you're old enough, none of my business), a long drive, maybe a good fuck. Come back tomorrow? We admins ain't all bad guys. Keeper ǀ 76 19:41, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Xander, Keeper's statement was that there's no valid reason, not that you have no reason.  Frank  |  talk  19:44, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

• Here's some free advice while you're here: you won't get rollback granted if you don't admit that it was used inappropriately (which it was) on the Forrest Griffin article. Trying to wikilawyer to prove you were right in using it in that case is just going to waste (more) space and time. Heck, I'd support giving it back to you if you can do that, and agree not to use it in ambiguous cases like that in the future. –xeno (talk) 19:42, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Late comment: Xeno, for what it's worth, I would have just said "none of your business" and moved on. GlassCobra 02:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

You may remember...

this. He's back again. Enigma 20:29, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

o boy. –xeno (talk) 20:32, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

• cheers for the revert. oh, and I see the mang took off his "ask permission before you post" thing. –xeno (talk) 20:52, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

• No problem, and that guy is headed for a block, IMO. It's only a matter of time. Enigma 20:53, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

on the puppetry of woolen footwear

Draw your own conclusions. I'm not liking what I see here and I can't assume good faith in this case. Enigma 02:36, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Wasn't there someone from the other day who was asking these exact same questions? Never mind, it's the same person. I dunno what to say. Ridiculous oppose reason. –xeno (talk) 02:43, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Meh, not all his questions were that stupid. He asked an interesting one about cops becoming admins. GlassCobra 02:47, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

(ec)Obviously it's a ridiculous oppose reason, but looking at the user's contributions, it's a sock account, and not one created in good faith. Enigma 02:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Yea, but of who? –xeno (talk) 02:49, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Search me. I tend not to remember disruptive users that well, so I couldn't possibly tell you which user this is. Checkuser might be able to shed some light, but "checkuser is not intended for fishing, blah blah blah." I doubt it will impact this RfA at all, but it's another one of those opposes where you hope the closing 'crat reads through the RfA. Enigma 02:53, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

(Butting in... pardon me) ... it's User:JeanLatore, User:Rainbowwarrior1977, User:Wiki brah, etc. I can't be 100% certain without CU, but it's his style. He's around all the time: block one and he'll make another sock within a week. He'll nominate himself for admin within a day or two -- likely by the weekend. And upload at least one picture of a hot babe. Funny thing about this guy is, once in a while he makes good edits; it's like he has a compulsion to troll, and he's getting progressively better at it, because he's becoming more subtle. Practice makes perfect. Check out . There's lots more. I think I blocked the last one (User:AdamBraniff75). While I'm tempted to just block him and get it over with, there's a chance I'm wrong, I think it will be more obvious shortly. Antandrus (talk) 03:07, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah ... yes, that's who it reminded me of. And the promotion of drug use on the userpage... Affinity to Florida... It all fits. And, "butt in" any time ;> Talk page stalkers welcome here. –xeno (talk) 03:08, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Cool. I like TPSs too. One of the things that makes Misplaced Pages fun.  :) Antandrus (talk) 03:12, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, the promotion of snorting cocaine on his talk was the most obvious red flag. I'd indent the vote/!vote, but I've been bold about such things in the past, and people tend to get pissed off (usually someone else who is opposing, who believes that every oppose should be given as much weight as possible). Enigma 03:18, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Should probably kick it up to SSP? –xeno (talk) 03:21, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

That would be a fine idea if we had any administrators working at SSP. :) Enigma 03:25, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

SSP isa joke at the moment, tag the userpage with sockpuppet, and take it straight to RfCU... - Adolphus79 (talk) 03:32, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Not a joke today! Enigma 17:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Wewt backlog cleanup! Nice little run you had there... - Adolphus79 (talk) 18:03, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure I now hold the record for most SSP cases closed in one day. Enigma 18:09, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

• Hrm, it can just be added above the existing report. He's even got an edit in on a porn star. It's him. –xeno (talk) 03:47, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
  • it's done... if anyone knows about these things and can check it over , feel free. –xeno (talk) 04:00, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Hate to admit it, and I'll be pilloried for heresy, but this one was damn funny. Bishonen was the one who finally whacked her over the head. Still makes me laugh how she got all these guys to believe she really was this amazingly sex-crazed hot babe. Antandrus (talk) 04:04, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

• Alison confirmed it, but someone needs to actually perform the block. :) Enigma 04:58, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Bingo

Notice that he put a South Carolina Wikiproject Userbox on his talk page? That would be the only userbox I've ever had. Good catch, Xeno. Darkspots (talk) 04:03, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

actually, the credit should go to enigmaman for spotting him and Antandrus for making the connection. i just put the rest of the pieces together =) –xeno (talk) 04:06, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Nice work anyway. I never would have known who it was. I come across socks all the time, it seems, but I generally am not familiar enough with our serial sockpuppeteers to know which one it is this time. Thanks xeno and Antandrus. Enigma 04:08, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

This one, there's a pattern. Always there is a reference to a past sock's interactions, like the SC userbox. Darkspots (talk) 04:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

It's almost as if he wants to be caught. Anyways fellas, I'm off to bed. Feel free to continue the conversation though =) –xeno (talk) 04:12, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

You know we will... LOL - Adolphus79 (talk) 04:17, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Yah, he gets a buzz out of it. He gets busted, makes at least one "who, me?" unblock request, then gives up, makes another sock and does it all over again. As trolls go, this guy isn't seriously nasty; he has a sense of humor; but he's unquestionably disruptive. He used to troll Essjay mercilessly a couple of years ago.

We're pretty easy to troll since we're open, we like to assume good faith (and some people are pretty amazing about it), and we're just so big one sock can easily hide -- if he wants. This guy likes being noticed. Antandrus (talk) 04:26, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, he's definitely in a short-and-splashy mode right now. He made JeanLatore last for three months, and I definitely went too far with the good faith with that one, but it seemed like a different model than the more recent ones, which just seem to be Chum logs for our shark tank. Now that's a good joke article, whether or not he intended it (I think he did). Darkspots (talk) 04:33, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Checkuser

... says  Confirmed as a sock of JeanLatore (talk · contribs). RFCU case updated. Thanks, guys - Alison 05:00, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

cheers Ali =). –xeno (talk) 12:19, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Curiosity

I was wondering about the fact that I'm more of a copyeditor persay then an article creator/ content contributor. Will this hold me back on Misplaced Pages? Not that I'm rearing to be an admin anytime soon I was just wondering overall how that would affect things. Washburnmav (talk) 05:35, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

FWIW, my best contribution to the article space was not sufficient to get the page to GA, let alone FA, and I still passed my RFA. J.delanoy_adds 05:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

We're all volunteers--as long as you're here to improve the encyclopedia, do what you enjoy doing. Darkspots (talk) 06:33, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'm no GA/FA factory myself, but I do add content from time to time. The best place to do that is in what you know best, so whatever you're interested in IRL, I'm sure you can find somewhere to improve the relevant article. Since I watch the video game news, I'm sometimes first on the scene to create a new VG article, like Highlander: The Game, for example. –xeno (talk) 12:20, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll keep all of that in mind. I appreciate the advice. Washburnmav (talk) 18:10, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Standard notices

Misplaced Pages talk:Blocking policy#Non-administrators adding blocking templates

Please review the above thread. Non-administrators should not be adding block templates, administrators will do so when appropriate. Also, this represents a personal attack. I see you have a history of being disruptive in this arena. There's no need to be taunting the users after you've had them blocked. –xeno (talk) 12:31, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Please review the above thread. Non-administrators should not be adding block templates

That thread doesn't even rise to the level of guideline, let alone rule, so waving it about is just silly. It's a plain ordinary tagging task, and no reason not to be done -- ESPECIALLY when it also removes spam. Should I be pointing you to the actual RULES regarding spamming, then?

As for your farcical claim of "taunting", the less said about your projection regarding the standard addition of a standard notification template, the better.

If you have an actual complaint about actual violations of actual rules (or guidelines), please let me know then. Otherwise, don't make up rules to enforce. --Calton | Talk 12:42, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

If you had bothered to read the talk page of that user who's talk page you are tagging, you would see that I was in discussion with him both over the worthiness of the article and his username. Thus, your actions are unhelpful. Please stop. –xeno (talk) 12:46, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

• I've also noticed you have a tendency to summarily blank or otherwise edit other user's pages. This should stop as well. People are free to use their userpages as a sandbox, and you should not be interfering with this. As for your edit summary suggesting I read WP:NPA, saying "don't be daft" in an edit summary is indeed a personal attack. –xeno (talk) 12:55, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

If you had bothered to read the talk page of that user who's talk page you are tagging, you would see that I was in discussion with him both over the worthiness of the article and his username.

Huh, you seem quick to resorts to insults (like your obnoxious edit summary on my talk page and your wholly false "If you had bothered to read..." crack) while making (false) claims about "taunting". Not very bragworthy, I think.

Of COURSE I read the talk page -- exactly how did you think it possible to avoid doing so when editing it? -- and it makes not the slightest bit of difference: HE'S INDEFBLOCKED. If you don't like that, you ought to take it up with the blocking admin or, if you're really sincere, unblock him yourself. But you can't, can you, what with it being a prohibited meta:Role account and all? Perhaps a refresher on the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam, the guidelines on user pages, and, especially, the FAQ for businesses is in order. Oh, and for your cracks, I'll throw in WP:NPA, to boot: you're not exempt.

Thus, your actions are unhelpful. Please stop.

As you are someone who is removing standard notification templates without real cause, citing non-existent rules/guidelines, encouraging the edits of a meta:Role account, and restoring its spam, I'd say it's not me who's being unhelpful here. --Calton | Talk 13:03, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I am prepared to unblock as soon as they choose another username. It's under control. Cheers, –xeno (talk) 13:05, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I've also noticed you have a tendency to summarily blank or otherwise edit other user's pages. This should stop as well. People are free to use their userpages as a sandbox, and you should not be interfering with this.

Nope. Once again, you need a refresher on the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam, the FAQ for businesses, and, especially, the guidelines on user pages. Hint 1: the prefix "User:" doesn't sprinkle magic pixie dust over spam and other unsuitable content. Hint 2: the {{uw-socialnetwork}} and {{uw-webhost}} templates exist for a reason. Hint 3: encouraging spam on Misplaced Pages is disruptive, and you should not be interfering with its removal.

As for your edit summary suggesting I read WP:NPA, saying "don't be daft" in an edit summary is indeed a personal attack Uh huh. And your TWO bits of snark are what, exactly? I'd say you do need a read of WP:NPA -- or have you granted yourself an exemption? --Calton | Talk 13:18, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

The blanking I was talking about was some months ago, so perhaps you've stopped doing that (specifically, you were blanking users who had added example images to their user pages). I don't see anything in my comments that approaches the level of personal attack the way saying someone is being "daft" would. In any case, I am in discussion with the user - which may indeed end in the conclusion that the potential article is not worth of inclusion and should be deleted - in which I will do the needful. Until then, please let me work with the user in question. There's no need to be uninviting to people who don't understand our policies. –xeno (talk) 13:21, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't see anything in my comments that approaches the level of personal attack the way saying someone is being "daft" would. You had not the slightest compunction in suggesting that I was ignorant despite the obvious implausibility of such a claim. Which points to an obvious problem of awareness and proportion, it seems to me. And, of course, I didn't call you "daft" -- I asked that you not to be so.

I'll also note you haven't bothered to refute a single actual citation of the actual rules I'm going by, in favor of some vague recollection of months-old clean-up work -- which doesn't even match your claims about it, to boot. If you're going to play authority figure, you need to be on at least semi-firm ground.

And as for your saying the editor will be unblocked when he chooses a new name, that's just great -- but wait, that old name? Oh yeah, IT'LL BE INDEF-BLOCKED, STILL. So, what, exactly is your rationale for not tagging it, again? --Calton | Talk 13:31, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:CHU. What I'm trying to explain here (and clearly doing a poor job at it) is that if someone is working with a user to explain to them relevant Misplaced Pages guidelines and practice and bring them in line with them, someone coming in and unnecessarily tagging their pages during the discussion is unhelpful (and frustrating to the user trying to do the explaining). I'd appreciate it if you kept that in mind for the future. I'm sorry that we got off on the wrong foot, and perhaps my approach could have been more tactful. –xeno (talk) 13:35, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

"Relevant Misplaced Pages guidelines and practice" includes not allowing spam -- and certainly not editwarring to restore spam -- nor does it mean ignoring actual cited relevant Misplaced Pages guidelines and practice, making up new ones, and insulting other editors's good-faith efforts to clean up Misplaced Pages. So yeah, I'd say tact is not involved here at all. --Calton | Talk 13:53, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't say it's out-and-out spam and this user had the respect to ask us if the article was worthwhile of inclusion, the least we could do is have the respect to discuss with him whether it is, or why it is not, rather than just templating him. All I'm asking is that you use some common sense in deciding when a template is appropriate and when it might be better to personally discuss the issue with a user. Best regards, –xeno (talk) 13:57, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

All I'm asking is that you use some common sense in deciding when a template is appropriate and when it might be better to personally discuss the issue with a user.

I did. It was appropriate -- your projections regarding "taunting" notwithstanding. Shall I repost -- again -- the policy-page links, especially the FAQ for businesses, the COI guidelines, and policies regrading spam? All I'm asking is that YOU use some common sense...and if you find that suggestion insulting, perhaps you shouldn't have used that phrasing yourself in your "advice" to me. --Calton | Talk 23:10, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

I was attempting an appeal to your rule #3 above. I'll make this perfectly clear: do not template a user in which I, or another admin, is conducting a discussion with. Full stop. –xeno (talk) 23:34, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

madhukar author

First of all thanks a lot for your support!! I´ll work on the article the next days, trying to find more reliable sources. i know there is a book and a documentary film about him published in Italy and I also read some interviews in german newspapers, these sources I will add. Is this what is needed? ? I also can add more references about the philosophy Advaita-Vedanta, but in fact it´s an article about Madhukar and not about Advaita, isn´t it? Wish you the very best :-) Syb (talk) 14:41, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the articles must be written directly about the person, not about his philosophy. –xeno (talk) 14:47, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Coudnt stay away

Im sure you would have noticed by now, but I have decided to continue editing Misplaced Pages.   «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l»  (talk) 15:06, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I've noticed =). Feel free to let me know if you need anything. And remember ... CMR! ;> –xeno (talk) 15:07, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

detective conan

go to mr. green's talk page and read my message about detective conan ok?--Spittlespat (talk) 16:09, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

I'm back?

Is mr.green making a light green backround for my userpage and aren't you going to ask how my trip was???--Spittlespat (talk) 17:01, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I haven't talked to green in a while, i didn't know you went on a trip...how was it? –xeno (talk) 17:02, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

didn't you say you were going to edit my userpage anyway it was great well I say kung fu panda and uh I went on a boat it was expensive well kinda and uh went to the museum and learned aabout mammoths we saw a real mammoth but it was already dead the food was great and the show detective conan was awesome I also bought a dvd have you seen detective conan or keroro?--Spittlespat (talk) 18:46, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

hrm, no, i think that was jacob. if you want help with your userpage, go here. nope, i've never seen that show. glad you had a nice trip. –xeno (talk) 18:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

what! Isn't mr.green jacob? and also how do I make my archive I tried to make one but it didn't work it sasid /archive1 but it was in red and alsonjacob said he make a light green background for me before i got back but it isn't green so could you make a light green background for me? I'm so confused and also how should I get my first barnstar--Spittlespat (talk) 19:01, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the same person. I meant it was him who was going to edit your userpage. I made your userpage background green and archived all your talk and made you an archive box. as far as barnstar... well you'll just have to keep working hard to improve the encyclopedia, and hope someone gives you one! –xeno (talk) 19:15, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

for being bold in this. Forgot that too! :S Ncmvocalist (talk) 19:47, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

sure thing... –xeno (talk) 19:49, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Best laugh of the day

Seriously, how awesome is this? Enigma 00:29, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Another goodie. See his note at the top of the page. Enigma 00:33, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

that SSP is hilarious. –xeno (talk) 12:33, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

No oppose for leaving the acceptance line in? :o Enigma 17:58, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

• actually in looked back and I've never opposed for that, only neutral (see also User:Xenocidic/RFA#Standards) plus he fixed it before I got there, so... =) –xeno (talk) 18:01, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

• That RfA linked to another RfA where the following Oppose was left:

• Oppose there's waaaaaaaaaay better canidates than this guy. --My Name Is Not Earl 04:16, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
• Enigma 19:22, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Copy of U16 European Championship Men 2004 Division C

Can you give me a copy of this deleted article, please. --Wicked Cuyos

 Done –xeno (talk) 12:29, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

a shiny

		The Template Barnstar
		Awarded for creating the Admin dashboard. Enough said. J.delanoyadds 04:28, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

shiny, indeed! thank you kindly =) are you transcluding it yet? if you transclude it, it will run admin stats for you. –xeno (talk) 20:32, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. You deserve far more than that, but you're already an admin, so I can't nominate you... Anyways, I've transcluded it now, I meant to, but I forgot. Thanks for the suggestion. Cheers! J.delanoy_adds 20:45, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

.... Yet again. StaticGull  Talk  14:10, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

heh, no problem, you'd do the same for me =) –xeno (talk) 14:12, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Question

When I Usurped i tried to unify my account to all wikipedia projects and I was able to except for

• es.wikipedia.org
• nl.wikipedia.org

---HereFord 16:28, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou HereFord 16:51, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Please dont laugh at me :) but is there like a Nederlands And Spanish wikipedia embassy, or some thing like that? HereFord 17:28, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: moar template help

Done. I added in a bunch of <!-- Comments --> to take them out. As far as Mediawiki is concerned, they're now all on one line. Because of that, you may need to add in some <br> tags to make it display properly when those statements are true, but hopefully not. Hersfold 16:26, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

I think I've gotten it fixed - I moved the |} to the next line, and it seems to have worked. See my test. Hersfold 21:10, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

thanks

thanks a lot for your help with my first effort!!!!! Travelingirl52 (talk) 18:38, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

• No problem. =) –xeno (talk) 18:39, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Signature

Is it just me, or is it very hard to read the 'cidic' on the default skin?  Asenine  22:51, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Seems it might not have been your sig, saw it on an RfA and presumed it was, but I just noticed you are signing as 'Xeno'. Sorry for the inconvienience.  Asenine  22:52, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

The cidic is intentionally opaque because of an unfortunate interpretation of my name when translated literally. I now sign as "xeno" - but for clarity, I leave my whole name when asking RFA questions. cheers, –xeno (talk) 23:40, 1 August 2008 (UTC)