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Battle of Mylasa

Hello Ariobarza thankyou for your edits on wiki it is much like thanks for you edits an Battle of Mylasa i would like you to help me make a new artical in the Battle of Pedasa please rely on my talk page

hello again you said that the description on the artical is different this is because i was recorded by different historians e.g Xenophon wrote a large sumry about it is his Hellenica and Anabasis (which i have at home)

many thanks,

Secthayrabe Ø

P.s sorry about not having I link please reply on my talk page take care,

Hello again i have checked with this Maeander River. 497 B.C,yes it is not different battle from Battle of Mylasa

Hello again I understand you have a problem with the talk on Battle of Opis and User:ChrisO well i will help you about this matter so long as you tell me what it is about and `i will find as much evidence and sources as possible

thanks,

Secthayrabe Ø

Hello once agiain I have wrote about this matter and answered it on the Battle of Opis talk page and am ready for a reply on my talk page

Thanks,

Secthayrabe Ø

hello ok edit away on the talk page!!!(of battle of Battle of Opis )

ta ta for now!

Secthayrabe Ø

Hello agian i am writting to tell you that I will be leaving wiki for a while as I am writing a book on Iran at around christmas time another thing is that Battle of Opis artical has much incorect content (and it is made from Chriso why doesn't that surpise me) any way so would you like to help me on the artical and clean it up thanks,please reply on my talk page

Secthayrabe Ø

right|thumb|175px|The Persian Expedition, Penguin Classics edition of Xenophon's Anabasis, translated by Rex Warner

Archiving assistance

Hi Ariobarza, your talkpage is very long right now. Some people's web browsers have trouble with long pages, even at 32K, and your page is more than twice that. May I create a system to archive it for you? This will automatically remove threads that are not active. Let me know, --Elonka 14:34, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Accept Elonka's offer, Ariobarza! She did it for me, as it happened, when I was blocked a few months ago. My Talk page exploded.... I'd been manually archiving, but didn't get around to it.... --Abd (talk) 22:08, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Ariobarza! I have set up the archive bot for you. It will automatically archive any threads which have not been active for a week. I can make it wait longer if you want. Let me know. :) --Elonka 03:52, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Sock puppetry and disruption

For block evading sock puppetry and habitual disruption to the encyclopedia as documented here, I am lengthening your block to indefinite. Should you wish to resume editing, you will need to explain how things will be different in the future. Admins, please do not unblock this user without contacting me first or obtaining a consensus at WP:AN or WP:ANI. Thanks. Jehochman 12:58, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

To Jehochman

Jehochman, this is what I told ChrisO, and I am forwarding it to you;

I could not reach you by any communication, so I am I am commenting on your page now. I do not know why I can edit from my computer now. I NOW (I did not know I was evading in the first place, all I did was poste "Please sign your commments" as a suggestion, it was not a big edit that I should be blocked infinitly for) know I should not, so I will make this brief. I had prophesied I would get finally banned, despite my efforts to be nice, you escalated things, and I am now blocked, and now you want to ban me? THIS WAS YOUR AGENDA/ plan PERIOD?! You just needed to sway the crowd a little, so good job. By the way check out my home page, and do not edit it please. So again I know I should not break the rules now, but seeing that your trying to delete valid articles, I had to put in the sources. I do not know if my articles (with you here) will survive in a week, so I had to do it. I am willing to not edit Misplaced Pages for two weeks (I will double my own sentence, to make up for my breaking of the rules) IF you promise me you will not delete those articles until the end of November, when I come back with my Public Apology and Reconciliation Letter to ALL (maybe even to you too, ChrisO). I want to come back, I love contributing Misplaced Pages (it makes me happy people are obtaining free knowledge, and that I am responsible for it) and I ask to have a mentor if I knew I could make articles before making them when putting my name in front of the title I would have done that, and no OR would have occured, I needed to put enough material to sustain the article in the begining, that is why IF I known, it looks like OR. So this is my solution to how I will be good, thats if you do not ban me of course, if you do I will never come here again, the founder of Misplaced Pages made mistakes too, and he's a Libertarian like me, so we have something in common. I know I have potential to improve, I accept I have made major mistakes in Misplaced Pages, mostly in OR and CIVIL stuff, I came here to Misplaced Pages last year, so I am technically new to the game, and wish to survive, so my life is in your hands...) I say this to you from the bottom of my {heart}. Thank you.

Overall, whether or not ChrisO has a plan against me (which I want to believe that he does not, and I think it started because of a dispute we had between eachother, that he did not gain anything for) I will anyways from now on be polite to him and others that do not agree with me, I know that ChrisO is a good person inside, he is not the problem, but I am. I hope that as your reading this message consider, that I am not an expert and I request to be mentored, and will use sandboxes from now on, then I will poste the article I want when it is complete with sources that confirm the titles. Jehochman, I will deeply appreciated if you tell Alvestrand to set my block for two weeks, and not let my Kapisa and Tigris articles get deleted until the end of November, when I come back. And please tell Alvestrand to read this message on my talk page, its updated and provides better details to how I will improve, thank you very very much!--Ariobarza (talk) 09:23, 1 November 2008 (UTC)Ariobarza talk

I am willing to reduce the block if you work with a mentor. There are a couple of editors who have expressed interest to me. Let me check with them.

Don't worry if an article is deleted. Any administrator can provide a copy to you. I strongly suggest you work with a mentor to create and polish articles in your userspace. Once your new articles satisfy Misplaced Pages standards, you can move them into main space. Jehochman 11:44, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I have emailed one prospective mentor. Jehochman 14:07, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, that would be me. Thanks, Jehochman. Ariobarza, you are welcome to email me, use the Misplaced Pages mail facility from my User or Talk page. I'll be watching your talk page, as well, if you have any problem, but my watchlist is enormous now, and I can miss a lot. Be patient if you email me, I don't always respond quickly, but feel free to send another mail if I haven't responded in a day or two. I'm not agreeing, yet, to be your mentor, only to talk with you about it, about what this would mean, what my job would be and what your part of it would be. You don't have to be an expert on anything to edit Misplaced Pages, but it's very important to understand the behavioral guidelines, which include restrictions on incivility and on edit warring. Beyond that, understanding the content guidelines, such as WP:NPOV, is, if you are going to be an active editor, also important, or you may create too much mess for others to clean up. All of that, though, can, I'm sure, be learned or worked out, if you are collegial, i.e., if you are able to work with other editors. I'd guess from what you've written above that you are willing to become this, if you aren't there already. (I have no opinion about the history of your block, I have not investigated it.) I'm looking forward to hearing from you. --Abd (talk) 21:11, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

One more thing, echoing Jehochman. Don't worry if the articles are deleted. We can get them back, if it's appropriate. (We can get a copy of the articles, period. It's getting them back into mainspace if they are deleted that's more complicated.) I'll put a Watch on them, so, maybe, if they are AfD'd, I'll see it and possibly comment. While you are blocked, unless I tell you otherwise, you could also email me with comments, and I'd review them and see if anything important from them should be added to the AfD. (I won't !vote for you, but you can present me with facts or opinions for my consideration.) --Abd (talk) 21:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I've now looked at WP:Articles for deletion/Battle of the Tigris, which has been deleted. I can't see the original article, but AfDs aren't a place to debate content, as such. Rather, the sole question raised by the AfD was the existence -- or nonexistence -- of reliable source on the topic. If reliable sources exist that substantiate what is in the article, or at least enough material for there to be a stub, it should be possible to describe them in a few lines. Not pages. One of the biggest problems is that "Battle of the Tigris," as applied to the event you have in mind, if that event existed, is a neologism. We don't make up words for things on Misplaced Pages. The fact that a battle happened at some time, and that it was on or near the Tigris, is not enough to create a topic of "Battle of the Tigris," unless it has been referred to as such in a reliable source, or there is a common usage established. I'm sure there have been many battles on or near the Tigris! I did read over much of what you wrote in the AfD, and it was almost totally off-point. I know it can be frustrating, but no original research is a basic guideline, you cannot look at sources, figure out something new from them, and put it on Misplaced Pages. Unless you can convince someone, some magazine, for example, to publish it! If you think about it, this is an essential guideline, for, without it, Misplaced Pages would be overwhelmed with new ideas, a few of them valid, perhaps, but most of them cockamamie. --Abd (talk) 22:05, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Abd. Let me know when you come to an agreement. I may be online less this week than normal, but I will be checking in at least once every 24 hours. Regards also to Ariobarza. Jehochman 21:47, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again, Jehochman, I'll be in touch. --Abd (talk) 22:05, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Here are the former contents of the page: User:Ariobarza/draft1. Jehochman 22:07, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Jehochman, I thank you for what you have done for me, but I cannot find Abd's email address to contact him, and I cannot comment on your page, so what do I do?--Ariobarza (talk) 06:12, 3 November 2008 (UTC)Ariobarza talk

Menus on the left hand side of the page, in the toolbox section, you'll see 'E-mail this user', just click on that. Please pay serious attention to what Abd has already said about about your Tigris article. Dougweller (talk) 07:08, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Doug, at least your one Big Brother that I'd like to have.--Ariobarza (talk) 09:33, 3 November 2008 (UTC)Ariobarza talk

That's nice. What you need now is to be patient and learn -- and accept that quite a few editors have commented upon your articles, some who hadn't seen anything from you until the past few days, and they all more or less agree about the situation. When you are used to essay writing, Misplaced Pages writing can be difficult because it is very, very different. Hmm, a list of the differences might (or might not) be useful. dougweller (talk) 21:32, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I've responded to the email by email. We have not yet negotiated terms of mentorship, so I have not agreed to it, nor has he (beyond generally accepting the idea), but I assume we'll get to that in short order. --Abd (talk) 19:38, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Abd, I just wish if this could go a little faster, so I can provide Misplaced Pages with the sources I have found, plus further improving existing articles. I think you need to send me the email again, for some reason I did not get it, with best regards.--Ariobarza (talk) 20:18, 3 November 2008 (UTC)Ariobarza talk

This message comes after I had asked Abd to email me again. So Elonka if your reading this I accept to let you archive my page, thanks.--Ariobarza (talk) 03:45, 5 November 2008 (UTC)Ariobarza talk

To Jehochman 2 (I emailed you the complete version)

Jehochman, thanks again, but Abd is not ready to be my mentor (as he says). And I do not know who to ask, am I in a ditch? Secondly, could I edit my User:Ariobarza/draft1, while I am blocked? I just wish and want to know how long I will be indefinitely blocked because I commented on my ANI (at the time I did not know I broke a rule for commenting , but for editing articles, I did it as a last ditch effort to save them, the latter was done before the commenting). So you could please try to make this process go a little faster, (so I can contribute suppressed knowledge to this website) thanks.--Ariobarza (talk) 17:51, 5 November 2008 (UTC)Ariobarza talk

Unblocked

I have unblocked your account for reasons of assuming good faith and your emails to me. Please attempt to follow the advice we discussed. Thank you. Jehochman 19:36, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

You will not get many warnings....

is not appropriate behaviour. You need to show that you are willing to concentrate on providing sourced material to Misplaced Pages, not attack other editors. --Alvestrand (talk) 20:04, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry, I retracted what I said. It was a slip up, it was part of my point. Its okay now, you can check it.--Ariobarza (talk) 03:36, 7 November 2008 (UTC)Ariobarza talk

Battle Verifying

This will be here soon.--Ariobarza (talk) 03:36, 7 November 2008 (UTC)Ariobarza talk

Languages

Hi Ariobarza, do you speak any other languages? If so, we could add babelboxes to your userpage. These would tell other Wikipedians which languages you can understand. Let me know if you would like help with this? --Elonka 03:54, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Template

The {{hangon}} template is only to be used in cases where an article is up for speedy deletion. In the case of a regular deletion, you can continue to make improvements on the article until the AfD has run for five days if it ends up being deleted. Generally administrators take changes made during the course of an AfD into consideration before deleting it, and should it be deleted anyway and you feel your improvements weren't taken into consideration you can always file a deletion review and ask for the deletion to be overturned. AniMate 03:58, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay, got it, thanks.--Ariobarza (talk) 04:18, 7 November 2008 (UTC)Ariobarza talk

Citing a reference

Ariobarza, when you cite a reference, the usual style is to give author, title, year of publication, publisher, ISBN number, and which page you're citing. I have a preference to use the {{cite book}} template, which helps you to add the proper information in a standard format. I also recommend getting the books physically and seeing if others reference the book and author, so that you know that you're not quoting from a fringe theory. And when you are quoting from a book, the standard way is to put the quote in quotation marks, followed by a reference to the source.

If you do this, I think people will have an easier time discussing sources with you. (They still won't agree that a 19th century work that is clearly written to entertain is an appropriate source, but at least we'll all agree which book you're talking about, and what you are citing from it.) --Alvestrand (talk) 23:51, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Working together

I'm posting this to your talk page, rather than the article talk page, as this is something I think you need to hear. I've decided to work with you as an unofficial mentor to help you keep from being indefinitely blocked again. Your enthusiasm is clear and undisputed, but your technique leaves quite a bit to be desired. First off, you need to stop worrying about ChrisO and anything said on the subpage he created. The best way to prove him wrong isn't to argue with him, but to improve your contributions and the articles you're interested in. Secondly, these articles are all likely to be deleted in the state they are in now. Third, I'm willing to work on them with you in your userspace/sandbox, but you must understand our policies. You must read up on original research and understand that from here on in, if I say something is original research, I say so because I believe it is not because ChrisO thinks it is. You also, must learn and understand our reliable sources policy and our policy about verifiability. Most importantly, you need to read about and understand our policy on notability. Many of the battles you have written about have reliable sources, and the fact that they took place is verifiable (as much as something from the 400s BC can be verified). However, you seem to have a hard time establishing notability, and the only way to do that is with reliable sources.

So, no connecting the dots from here on out. For the time being, I'd like you consult with me on talk pages before you add anything to articles. Every sentence we craft on a talk page needs to be well sourced without our interpretations. I hope you can work within this framework until you better understand how our policies must be implemented. Also, if the articles you're currently concerned about are deleted, there are admins that will happily copy them into article space and I will happily work with you to improve them. However, if we cannot establish notability, they cannot be moved into the encyclopedia. That being said, if we are able to get these articles well sourced but not necessarily establish notability, we'll have the beautiful and richly sourced beginnings of an article about Cyrus the Great military campaigns. I know it's not your first choice, but you must keep an open mind. AniMate 00:28, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I'll easily promise you I won't force you to make an entry about Cyrus the Great's campaigns, but there is one thing you've forgotten. That isn't an article I could write. I'm mentoring you to help you understand how articles are built here, and that's all. My only interest is teaching you the correct way to work and build articles here. AniMate 10:47, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I can also promise you that if Battle of the Marsyas is deleted I will immediately ask for it to be copied in one of our user spaces so we can continue to work on it. I don't know if we can make it a Misplaced Pages worthy article, but I promise to help you learn how to make articles worthy of inclusion here. AniMate 10:59, 8 November 2008 (UTC)