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Featured article review of November 20, 2005

This review resulted in the passing of a new version of the article.
  • This quote which was in the article when it was an original FAC, is from the link to St. Joseph's's cathedral which too has always been listed. References and links are given so people can check facts. Perhaps people should check these out before claiming lack of references. Giano | talk 10:18, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Changes since being promoted on April 19, 2005. This is the version that was promoted. Changes are minor but significant and seem to be positive. Tuf-Kat 04:52, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

  • One of the best articles I've read. Changes have been positive. Well, except for this edit. I'm not an expert in em dashes but I don't think this is a correct usage. It appears the subject of the phrase ("styles") is lost inside the dashes leaving the "the" referring to...well, I'm not sure what. --maclean25 08:09, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
    • I'm not sure if you are correct about em dash or not, butI reworded the sentence in question to make the point moot. If this change is not reverted, I will pass this review in a few days (assuming no other issues are brought up). Tuf-Kat 09:11, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
      • Thank you, that clears it up. Two minor imperfections in the article include an unreferenced quotation in the "Architect" section (with quotation marks in a block quote) and a one sentence introduction-section to "Cathedrals" (and it doesn't end with a period). --maclean25 07:36, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Proposal to remove date-autoformatting

Dear fellow contributors

MOSNUM no longer encourages date autoformatting, having evolved over the past year or so from the mandatory to the optional after much discussion there and elsewhere of the disadvantages of the system. Related to this, MOSNUM prescribes rules for the raw formatting, irrespective of whether or not dates are autoformatted. MOSLINK and CONTEXT are consistent with this.

There are at least six disadvantages in using date-autoformatting, which I've capped here:

Disadvantages of date-autoformatting


  • (1) In-house only
  • (a) It works only for the WP "elite".
  • (b) To our readers out there, it displays all-too-common inconsistencies in raw formatting in bright-blue underlined text, yet conceals them from WPians who are logged in and have chosen preferences.
  • (c) It causes visitors to query why dates are bright-blue and underlined.
  • (2) Avoids what are merely trivial differences
  • (a) It is trivial whether the order is day–month or month–day. It is more trivial than color/colour and realise/realize, yet our consistency-within-article policy on spelling (WP:ENGVAR) has worked very well. English-speakers readily recognise both date formats; all dates after our signatures are international, and no one objects.
  • (3) Colour-clutter: the bright-blue underlining of all dates
  • (a) It dilutes the impact of high-value links.
  • (b) It makes the text slightly harder to read.
  • (c) It doesn't improve the appearance of the page.
  • (4) Typos and misunderstood coding
  • (a) There's a disappointing error-rate in keying in the auto-function; not bracketing the year, and enclosing the whole date in one set of brackets, are examples.
  • (b) Once autoformatting is removed, mixtures of US and international formats are revealed in display mode, where they are much easier for WPians to pick up than in edit mode; so is the use of the wrong format in country-related articles.
  • (c) Many WPians don't understand date-autoformatting—in particular, how if differs from ordinary linking; often it's applied simply because it's part of the furniture.
  • (5) Edit-mode clutter
  • (a) It's more work to enter an autoformatted date, and it doesn't make the edit-mode text any easier to read for subsequent editors.
  • (6) Limited application
  • (a) It's incompatible with date ranges ("January 3–9, 1998", or "3–9 January 1998", and "February–April 2006") and slashed dates ("the night of May 21/22", or "... 21/22 May").
  • (b) By policy, we avoid date autoformatting in such places as quotations; the removal of autoformatting avoids this inconsistency.

Removal has generally been met with positive responses by editors. I'm seeking feedback about this proposal to remove it from the main text (using a script) in about a week's time on a trial basis/ The original input formatting would be seen by all WPians, not just the huge number of visitors; it would be plain, unobtrusive text, which would give greater prominence to the high-value links. Tony (talk) 08:32, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

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