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October 2007 - April 2008

Sex Link chickens

In my recent work on chicken breeds, I discovered our project has three articles sex linked chickens. We've got a general sex link page, a red sex link and a black sex link. As sex links are not breeds (they are never bred to one another in a line, they are always the product of first generation cross breeding), I don't think it's appropriate that there are separate articles on black and red sex links. Much of the content of both those is overlapping, and the differences between black/red sex links are so minute that they can easily be covered in a single paragraph. Also considering that there are other sex link varieties, such as Goldens, I think it's best to merge/redirect red sex link and black sex link in the main sex link article. I was just going to boldly do this, but I wanted to check in at the project first. Thoughts? VanTucky 00:45, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree entirely. On a related note though, there are sex-linked geese (viz. Pilgrim Goose) and they ought to receive some mention as well. Unlike chickens, they breed true.--Doug. 23:33, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Sexual differentiation, even in the young, is a common trait in all sorts of animals. With the gesse, it's a breed trait. But the proper noun of "Sex Link" refers only to hybrid chickens. VanTucky 23:38, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Vancouver, British Columbia meet-up

Vancouver Meetup Please come to an informal gathering of Vancouver Wikipedians, Monday, May 5 at 6:30 pm. It will be at Benny's Bagels, 2505 West Broadway. We'd love to see you there, and please invite others! Watch the Vancouver Meetup page for details. This box: view • talk • edit

Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 15:39, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

I have requested a move of Cockscomb to either Comb (anatomy) or Bird comb here. Please feel free to chime in, VanTucky 00:41, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Important new stub

Hey y'all. I just created the long-overdue stub for the American Poultry Association. I would really like a DYK for this, so if you can let's expand this well. It's the oldest livestock organization in the States, so it's an important topic. Thanks, VanTucky 19:52, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Ag-ed userbox

Could i ask that the shade of this userbox be considerably lightened as it it right now very hard to read? Simply south (talk) 10:26, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Proposed merger of Glyphosate and Roundup

Please take part in the discussion. As of now, the latter article is essentially a duplicate of the former, with a potential to become a POV-fork. Colchicum (talk) 17:16, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Butter

Butter has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Ultra! 18:57, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Rename proposal for the lists of basic topics

This project's subject has a page in the set of Lists of basic topics.

See the proposal at the Village pump to change the names of all those pages.

The Transhumanist    09:50, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme

As you may have heard, we at the Misplaced Pages 1.0 Editorial Team recently made some changes to the assessment scale, including the addition of a new level. The new description is available at WP:ASSESS.

• The new C-Class represents articles that are beyond the basic Start-Class, but which need additional references or cleanup to meet the standards for B-Class.
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Articles flagged for cleanup

Currently, 1046 articles are assigned to this project, of which 310, or 29.6%, are flagged for cleanup of some sort. (Data as of 14 July 2008.) Are you interested in finding out more? I am offering to generate cleanup to-do lists on a project or work group level. See User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings for details. Subscribing is easy - just add a template to your project page. If you want to respond to this canned message, please do so at my user talk page. --B. Wolterding (talk) 18:55, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Input appreciated at AfD -- Frozen bovine semen up for deletion

The article Frozen bovine semen is up for deletion. Input from people familiar with agriculture would be appreciated at the AfD page. Thanks, RayAYang (talk) 17:06, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Stub?

Is there no tractor/farm machinery stub? If there is, tag this? FYI, the information in the article is taken from the display plaque on the tractor in the photo...) TREKphiler 07:16, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Rogers Orchards survives

(moved here from User talk:Doug) Hey there, I just wanted to let you know that my new ag article that was under the AfD axe, Rogers Orchards, survived in a Speedy Keep thanks to a group of people who came to its rescue. It is currently up for DYK consideration. More ag stuff to follow. :) Ecoleetage (talk) 21:25, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Update - the article received a DYK honour today! This is third ag-related DYK I've brought in. More to come... Ecoleetage (talk) 12:47, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

This is awesome. You not only saved the article but got a DYK out of it! Many accolades. I'm still waiting for someone to create a "Barn" Star or I'd give you one with special honors (maybe a wreath of hay) (This star should have a special status as the barn star for articles about barns and other agricultural topics!). You definitely deserve one.--Doug. 16:04, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, if there are no barnstars to be presented, I also accept PayPal (Euro and Swiss Franc transactions, if possible). :) Ecoleetage (talk) 17:35, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

P.S., I just wrote a new article, Bruce McAbee, and put that up for DYK consideration. Ecoleetage (talk) 19:07, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Orchard, fruit garden, and meadow orchard

The one-line article Fruit garden has now been merged into the lead paragraph of Orchard and a redirect from Fruit garden to Orchard has been created. While working on Orchard I anglicized the German word Streuobstwiese as meadow orchard (based on German-English Collins Dictionary, see ref). I would appreciate it if people with better knowledge of this topic would look at the section Meadow orchard and see if it could be improved further.

I also have considerable doubts about Jalpaiguri in West Bengal, India as "a town known for its orchards". Tea gardens/plantations, yes, but orchards? Could someone clarify or edit? --Zlerman (talk) 03:40, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Would any one mind...

If I redid your project page? I have recently redid all of the food related pages and would do the same here.

Take a look at the Ice Cream WikiProject page to see an example:

Before : WP Ice cream

After : WP Ice cream

I will not use the same color set (I call it Neapolitan), but will use a stock set of colors in blue.

--Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 20:53, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

• I personally do not like the use of continuous colored areas in WP Ice cream. I find it highly distracting to the reader/viewer. My personal preference is for large white areas interspersed with smaller color highlights -- not continuous color of different shades. --Zlerman (talk) 01:53, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

As I stated, I would use a single color. I was using the Ice Cream WikiProject because it has the cleanest code because I worked on it last, so I used it as an example. To see what it will look like you can go to the WP:F&D page. For now, how about I do it with white with a blue border? You can undo it if you would like. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 18:08, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Starting with this revision I made the changes I proposed, keeping the standard Misplaced Pages color palate and adding a little color splashes here and there. I also cleaned up the page a little and moved some information to the new side panel Is it okay? --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 18:32, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

No particular objection, it's just as functional as the original and a little prettier, I must admit. Not sure I approve of the barn as I think that's used somewhere else. --Doug. 02:42, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

To my taste, the use of three different colors in navigational boxes produces a garish effect. The bright red for cherry cultivars is particularly disturbing. I would prefer to have all the navigational boxes in the traditional "lilac", or if variety is desired, then lilac and orange (as in apple cultivars). In short, muted colors, if possible, no strong reds. --Zlerman (talk) 02:59, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages 0.7 articles have been selected for Agriculture

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Need help with an unusual article

I know it seems strange, but Animal ethics and probably Animal rights fall within the scope of this project, nothing in our names says we're the WikiProject Pro-Agriculture and we have an interest in ensuring that all articles within our scope are NPOV. I moved Animal Egalitarianism from another user's userspace because it hadn't been worked on for a year and was up for MFD just for being stale. The history of the article is that it was originally created under a completely made up name and nominated for AfD, while pending the author recreated it under the current name. A combination of misunderstandings, people being upset at the recreation, and the name not being in common use resulted in the consensus to delete per WP:NEO, it was userfied. The citations look significant, though I don't have easy access to them, I'll do some looking though. My thought is that this may belong as a section of Animal rights. So if anyone wants to help make this into a useful article please dig in.--Doug. 03:11, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

• In my view, this curiously named piece should be merged into Animal rights (since Animal ethics anyhow redirects to Animal rights). It is well sourced and probably contains important information, but it is a neologism and to justify my recommendation I will simply quote two sentences from the "History" section: "The concept of merging human rights and animal rights has been promoted ... throughout history. ... The day may come when the rest of the animal creation may acquire those rights which never could have been withholden from them but by the hand of tyranny." So "animal egalitarianism" is basically about animal rights and should be treated as such. I will look in our Agriculture Library for the sources cited in "animal egalitarianism" and will report here if successful.

• I do not object to dealing with this issue under WikiProject Agriculture, but please note that Animal rights falls under WikiProject Animal rights and perhaps you should cross-post this discussion in that project also.

--Zlerman (talk) 05:44, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I have now looked more closely at Animal Egalitarianism and Animal rights. It seems to me that not much is left to merge from "egalitarianism" to "rights". First, the core of the "egalitarianism" piece are two quotations: one from Bentham, another from Paola Cavalieri. The Bentham quotation already appears in full here in Animal rights; the Cavalieri quotation (and the reference to Cavalieri's 2001 book) are missing in Animal rights and should definitely be incorporated. Second, "egalitarianism" lists seven 18th and 19th century references that deal with animal rights. Of these 7, two (Bentham and Gompertz) are already mentioned in Animal rights; the other five are not mentioned and perhaps should be incorporated as a matter of historical record; they could be anchored to one sentence based on the opening paragraph from "Animal Egalitarianism#History". Third, speciesism is already dealt with here in Animal rights and perhaps the opening sentence of "Animal Egalitarianism" should somehow be transported there too. In my opinion, this is all that needs to be done. --Zlerman (talk) 06:30, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I didn't even notice that Animal Ethics was just a redirect, I was only going off exposure to the topic within ag. Good call on cross-posting, I sort of forgot they existed since I don't deal with them much and this is the first place I go with anything animal unless it's clearly wild. Good work reviewing the matter, too, I didn't really have time to look at it carefully and just didn't want to see info lost.--Doug. 08:57, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

• FYI, the MfD - which is still active - is here.--Doug. 09:07, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Go ahead and work that material in if you want to but I recommend using a merge to do it so the history on the material is preserved and I can safely delete the material on my user subpage.--Doug. 21:32, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Portal:Agropedia

I want to improve this portal but why is this portal named the way it is ? Isn't suppose to be Portal: Agriculture and can we change it ? Bewareofdog 00:39, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

New user help with Arnold Tremere

A request is sent out to help a new editor Amazona with the article Arnold Tremere a nutritonist then agricultural buiness person with the Government of Canada. SriMesh | talk 03:37, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Agriculture in present-day nations and states

This is a new list (patterned on Demographics of present-day nations and states and Economies of present-day nations and states) that can be used as a checklist for the creation of missing Agriculture in country articles: zillions of them show as red links in the list. --Zlerman (talk) 05:07, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Merge progeny testing into animal breeding

Please contribute to this discussion. Regards—G716 <·_C> 19:37, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Suffolk Punch FA push

Hello everyone! I am just dropping a note to let you all know that several of us from the Equine Wikiproject are working to get Suffolk Punch (a draft horse breed) to FA status. More eyes on the article are always appreciated. Please feel free to copyedit as needed or just drop comments on the talk page. Thanks in advance! Dana boomer (talk) 17:57, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Black pepper for FAR

I have nominated Black pepper for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 22:19, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Request for article assessment

Not sure how I request assessment for new article from your Wiki-Ag team. Just finished article on E. R. Jackman (Oregon author and agriculture expert), and would like to get assessment?--Orygun (talk) 01:06, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Related AFD

Agricultural society is up for deletion currently. Steven Walling (talk) 06:29, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Coordinators' working group

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