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Kira Takenouchi

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Nominating for deletion as an article about a non-notable writer. The article was previously deleted at AfD a year ago, and while it probably qualifies for speedy deletion as recreation of previously deleted material, I gave it some time to see if new editors could this time add reliable third-party sourcing to verify the claimed notability of this writer. Unfortunately, the situation remains unchanged since the previously deleted article, and all of the reference sources so far found are from fan blogs or the publisher's site, making this also a WP:BLP violation. It may also be of note that no article for this subject exists on Japanese Misplaced Pages. DAJF (talk) 01:36, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

  • Comment Publishers Weekly is not fan blog or her own company. That said, a single news article does not make notability. So it's to WP:CREATIVE that we need to look. A spot check of a three of her titles finds nothing in the way of reviews and, in fact, hardly any bookseller listings, which does not give one the warm fuzzies. (Nor does an ISBN format that indicates a very small press indeed, but notability does not come from the size of the publisher, but the notice it gets.) I need to finish checking the rest, but it's not looking like she's notable as an author. —Quasirandom (talk) 01:53, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
    • I've not found coverage, let alone reliable third-party coverage, of any of the books with listed ISBNs. Having gotten strikes on all those, I'm not swinging at the others. Unless something turns up about the subject as a publisher, I say delete as not notable. —Quasirandom (talk) 04:22, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete just does not have any significant coverage and fails WP:CREATIVE. Agree with the BLP concerns that there is little referenceable information and as such, it should be redeleted. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:00, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Comment A article saying that her enterprise is a commercial failure does not necessarily make her notable. I think it's fairly clear that she is not in the US, but I cannot judge about Japan. Am I correct there is no article on her in the Japanese WP? DGG (talk) 02:11, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. —Malkinann (talk) 02:54, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete This bio doesn't produce enough evidences of notability both in quality & quantity. Ancient version of this article indicated that this person works were banned from Singapore, Malaysia, and Thailand. Asserting this fact with Reliable Sources could have justified a keep vote but that didn't happen. That convinced me this article is no more than an attempt to get more visibility & to catch attentions of potentials investors. --KrebMarkt 06:17, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
    Going further in my argumentation for delete, this article is the sole edited article by Katsumasahiro while the article creator Kxings did is very best to insert an in-wiki link to Kira Takenouchi in Yaoi & Ai no Kusabi to the point of being disruptive. That reinforce my conviction of a botched attempt to put Kira Takenouchi on wikipedia map aiming for maximum visibility in Yaoi and yaoi related articles. --KrebMarkt 06:36, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  • I didn't find the insertion of the links disruptive, but rather to be rooted in the belief that KT is a notable, prolific, GloBL author and that her fanfiction was relevant to the main article on Ai no Kusabi. After I removed the links from Ai no Kusabi, they did not return, and when I asked for a better source for the yaoi article, another was provided (sadly a Misplaced Pages mirror and unusable). It's just a pity that there aren't enough sources to prove notability - I've checked aestheticism.com and come up with nothing. Katsumasahiro has said that Yaoi World will be a new magazine about yaoi, and that it will have an article on KT in its first issue, but the overall reliability of Yaoi World cannot be assessed at this time. --Malkinann (talk) 21:58, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your clarification. I think, she may be notable in the future but not now and not in that way with big unverified stuffs that were removed afterward. --KrebMarkt 06:07, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Obscure? No offense, but you guys are idiots. Kira was just named "Best New Yaoi Author in the World" for 2009 by Yaoi World. You people are really out of touch. The same publication is featuring authors also hosted here on wikipedia but they are not the feature article, Kira is. Asking a COMPETITOR about KT hardly counts. Yuri is COMPLETELY different from yaoi. Yuri is girl on girl. If you don't know anything about Yaoi, keep off this page. Kxings (talk) 05:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)Kxings

ALSO, Yaoi World does have a teaser up. If you scroll down there is more information about the issue. The people featured in their lineup are real yaoi writers. If you don't know who they are, you have no business editing this page. Kxings (talk) 05:12, 5 August 2009 (UTC)Kxings

You people are really funny. You think wikipedia is the gold standard or something? No one needs to be listed in wikipedia when there are a zillion other pedias out there to be listed in. So your insulting suggestion that we're trying to boost Kira's notability is ridiculous. She is ALL OVER THE WEB ALREADY. The only reason I even care is that you really ought to at least be half-way accurate about what you're including in wikipedia. You include Tina Anderson, but not Kira Takenouchi? Where does that come from? Do you even monitor any of the other yaoi writers listed on this site, or do you just come here? Having yaoi article without mentioning Kira Takenouchi is like celebrating candy without including chocolate. I honestly don't know why I'm wasting my time, except now I feel insulted, especially since NONE of you knows ANYTHING about yaoi and yet have the audacity to put this page up for deletion. You have your notability question answered by Yaoi World. You can't get much more notable than "Best New Yaoi Author in the World"!! Just because YOU have never read Yaoi or know what it's about doesn't mean it's not very popular and growing rapidly in the world now. If you actually read yaoi, you would know Kira. Why do you even care? Why this RUSH to remove her from wikipedia? Doing so will only launch this entry onto the web where it will be replicated a zillion times by the deletapedias out there. Kxings (talk) 05:32, 5 August 2009 (UTC)Kxings

Book reviews: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2317045.Taming_Riki_Vol_1_Part_1 http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2807506.Taming_Riki_Volume_1_Part_2 You aren't going to find book reviews at Amazon because Yaoi House, her publisher, ONLY sells through its own website and thus has complete control over the price. Incidentally, Yaoi House is also being featured in Yaoi World as an entrepreneur for redefining what it means to be a publishing house in today's self-publishing/anti-Amazon world. Yaoi House publishes other authors besides Kira's books, so it is not a vanity press. The company stopped selling books temporarily when Kira Takenouchi, who was the President of the company, left the yaoi scene, but is now rebuilding their site/store. I make no apologies that I'm a huge fan of Kira Takenouchi. But it doesn't matter whether I'm a fan or not. You can no longer deny her notability simply because you are ignorant of yaoi. Kxings (talk) 06:36, 5 August 2009 (UTC)Kxings

keep for all the reasons I've stated and the fact that the reference you all poo-pooed turned out to be correct. Also, with regard to the remark above about investors, Kira/Yaoi House are not taking any new investors. So your point is irrelevant. Kxings (talk) 07:20, 5 August 2009 (UTC)Kxings

KEEP - If "Best New Yaoi Author in the World" doesn't count for notability, what the hell does? Who was the asshole that accused me of posting a "bogus" reference? You can't refute it now, these are all COMPETITORS of KT being interviewed by Yaoi World. And I quote from their website: "Yaoi World is a free review e-zine, a public service for those who appreciate yaoi/boy's love. We hope to become the definitive source for unbiased news relating to the world of yaoi and boy's love. Yaoi World is not affiliated with any company, organization, or individual. We will host a single banner from any yaoi-related site, free of charge.

Editor-in-Chief: Yutaka Takehiko Contact: admin@yaoiworld.net Issue 1: Rising Stars & Entrepreneurs

Featuring: Kira Takenouchi, "A Pioneer of American Yaoi" - Winner: Best New Yaoi Author in the World, Yaoi World 2009

Interviews with: - Tina Anderson "Keeping the Press Hot" - Tricia Owens of Juxtapose Fantasy "Making Boy's Love A Business" - Becca Abbott "Raising the Bar on Quality" - SL Publishing Group "Innovation and Cooperation" - Shuang Wen "The Art of Yaoi: China's Finest" - Van Duran "Spain's Little Gem" - Yaoi House "Redefining the Publishing House"

and others.

Release: October 10, 2009 Article submissions: We will consider article submissions related to yaoi, however, you may not submit an article which publicizes your own work or company. Interviews are selected by Yaoi World only and cannot be requested." Katsumasahiro (talk) 09:24, 5 August 2009 (UTC)Katsumasahiro

Kira Takenouchi is based in the USA, not Japan. Katsumasahiro (talk) 09:51, 5 August 2009 (UTC)Katsumasahiro

All her books can be seen here: http://openlibrary.org/a/OL3761269A/Kira-Takenouchi You say you are waiting for the publisher to show up or someone to provide more information, and yet conveniently you DELETED Yaoi House a year go from wikipedia. Katsumasahiro (talk) 09:57, 5 August 2009 (UTC)Katsumasahiro

What is Yaoi World actually? Does it have any reputation? --Apoc2400 (talk) 10:48, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
I've not been able to locate any google hits for the name of the editor in chief, which doesn't exactly fill me with confidence. --Malkinann (talk) 11:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Comment I believe we need to have a checkuser done for Kxings (talk · contribs) and Katsumasahiro (talk · contribs). Both accounts where created at about the same time, both edit the same group of articles, both add the same content, and both edit at approximately the same time. This raises the suspicion of sock puppetry. --Farix (Talk) 12:30, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete I'll have to go with delete as there is insufficient coverage by published third-party sources with a history and reputation of reliability. Unpublished sources, yet to be published sources, sources that are not independent of the subject, or sources that has not yet established a history or reputation for reliability do not demonstrate that the subject is notable. --Farix (Talk) 12:48, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Strong Delete: Out of a pure "gut feeling:" someone who throws unreferenced material at us, starts arguing, then pulls up a website that's "under construction," calls several others users 'idiots' and 'homophobes,' then brings up the next website with flying logos and a lot of bling -- also "under construction" -- and then rants away at this deletion-nomination in the same tone, clearly does not have a concept of what "reliable sources" are. Anyone who is certain about verifiability simply would not need to throw a tantrum like that, but rather just go to the bookshelf and direct us to the relevant page. Seb az86556 (talk) 13:23, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I can't believe any of you people. Your suggestion that I, as fan, would go to the time and expense of creating a new organization, new website, interview a zillion people just to "make" my reference at Misplaced Pages legitimate simply blows my mind. Are you for real? Do you have a real life outside of editing here at Misplaced Pages? And I got a message I was accused of sockpuppetry? You people are fucking assholes. You were proved wrong and this is how you respond--oh, the two people who actually know something about yaoi MUST be the same person. That's so insulting I ought to sue Misplaced Pages for slander. Did you ever think of that? As for this entry, I completely give up. You'll find out soon enough that you're wrong. BTW, I got the balls to email Kira on this and here's her reply, a lot of thanks I just got from her as well for all my trouble.

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Follow up message from Kira Takenouchi <kiratakenouchi@gmail.com> to katsumasahiro@gmail.com date Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:15 AM subject wikipedia entry mailed-by gmail.com

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Follow up message Katsu,

Misplaced Pages is one of many sites on the Net over which I have almost no control. I simply do not have the time to monitor every site that posts information about me. I appreciate the effort you seem to have put into updating the article posted about me, but surely you must have better things to do with your time. Whether or not I am in Misplaced Pages makes little difference to me; my deletion from it will have no effect on my existence. It is Misplaced Pages, not Existipedia.

I am thankful that Misplaced Pages was diligent about protecting certain aspects of my privacy. Reliability and verifiability of information are not merely "good ideas," they are absolutely essential in this age of litigation. Do as you will with this statement; however, I have no interest in hearing about Misplaced Pages again.

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