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Question

Hey Child. As you created the article Burger Heaven I'm guessing you live in or near New York City. Am I correct? Because according to Paper shredder (there should be a red link in the article's text) there is a place called "Horseshoe". Is this an actual place or not? There doesn't appear to be an article about this place and all Google seemed to give me were matches about a bar in the area. Thanks.--_{Sky Attacker} 04:50, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

I haven't heard of a place called Horseshoe, but I haven't been back in NYC in a while. :) If someone could try out Golden Krust for me, I would appreciate it. :) Yah mon.

(post ec) after you clarified your comment I looked into it some more. There does appear to be a person by that name and an area known as Horseshoe . But I can't find anything connecting him tot he paper shredder. And one source, that can't be viewed, seems to suggest the first one "Discover‎ - Page 67 Education "The world's first shredder, built in the early 1930s, was modelled after a

Bavarian... a German printer and manufacturer who was also an amateur inventor,... but this doesn't really confirm much. I think I would remove that bit and post it to the talk page for sourcing, investigation and discussion. My spidey sense feels that it's sort of bogus. I wonder how long it was in the article? ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:04, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

I've had a look through the revision history and it has been there for years. But it still isn't sourced. I think I'll start a discussion about it on the talk page.--_{Sky Attacker} 05:14, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

This source discusses the Low fellow . What does his article say about him? ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:20, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. According to page 90 Horseshoe is a lake!--_{Sky Attacker} 05:27, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

I think I've found it. Horseshoe is here. Thanks for looking that up for me. ;)--_{Sky Attacker} 05:30, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't that source say he is second only to Edison in patents? Where is the Abbot Augustus Low article? Bongo, stop fucking around and get to work! (He's probably waiting for the New York Times obituary, but the man has been dead for some time...) ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:36, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

See also Horseshoe Tavern in Toronto, a regular stop for Stompin' Tom Connors. --kelapstick (talk) 22:39, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Ninja miner

Another story this time by NPR, would be a good resource if we could get a couple pictures...--kelapstick (talk) 15:03, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

I always want to see the pack or helmet or whatever it is that makes them look like Ninja miners. We have it pretty good here all things considered! Thanks very much for the link. Interesting stuff. ChildofMidnight (talk) 14:03, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

You asked for them, here they are. Cheers.--kelapstick (talk) 22:22, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Who knew you had snuck the link in here! Thanks for sharing. I had a lot of fun checking them out. I commented on a few. My other thoughts are as follows:

• I like that you got some Chix fried steak on your way out. This is a good sign that you're becoming a patriotic American. I've been to SLC several times. They have a pretty good brew pub there.
• I like the lizard in camo (on the marble type orangey surface)
• I liked the Mr. Potatohead omage to Amelie and the garden gnomes.
• I was less impressed with the Corona and Eco Domani... IN HAWAII!!!
• The cliff drive looked pretty awesome. I was also hoping for a helicopter ride with TC, but I assume you decided to save that for next time.
• There weren't any photos of you or your family, which is going to make it difficult to initiate a snide discussion about the personal attributes of you and your family over on Misplaced Pages Review. Still, your wife must be a real humanitarian. hahahaha. Who needs photos???!!!
• The sticky bun needed pecans, but looked good otherwise.
• Gorgeous scenery. I would have liked some more shots of the native flora and fauna, especially flowers, fruit, and tropical plants. But it's good that you were relaxed and just taking it all in.
• Next time get out of the aquarium and do some more snorkeling!
• The water shots and viewpoints are so nice. Makes me very relaxed. Not a worry in the world! Are you an Israel Kamakawiwo'ole fan (examples: and )? Thanks again for sharing.

I hope my comments and critique have been helpful to you. :) Take care bruddah. Coppah is rallying! ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:29, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

The Corona was my wife's, I was on the Kona or something local.

We did hit the Maui Ocean Center, it was pretty awesome, there are some shots there, also we had a whole day snorkeling, I just don't think we had our underwater pictures developed yet.

The chicken fried steak was on the way out, our 3 hour layover turned into 7 hours :S That was what the extra four hours of my life are worth to Delta.

We picked up one of Israel's CDs while we were there, throughly enjoy it.--kelapstick (talk) 21:28, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

You've also gone a little light on the food reporting. Shave ice? Cold coconuts? Papaya? Fish (what kind)? Crustaceans (or are you allergic? all the better!). ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:32, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Abbot Augustus Low

Excellent. _matic 17:05, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you sir. I hope you are well and staying out of trouble! ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:08, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

You made the article just this morning CoM? Very nice.--_{Sky Attacker} 22:26, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

I really do have to applaud you for making this. I just made a few tweaks to the categories section by changing "Inventors" to "American Inventors" and I added the article to "1912 deaths". I'll say it again, very nice!--_{Sky Attacker} 22:37, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Those were good edits Sky, thanks. If you want to start something I have some possible subjects on my user page and I'll keep an eye out for something interesting. ChildofMidnight (talk) 14:02, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

WQA - Barney Frank

Hello, ChildofMidnight. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Wikiquette alerts regarding uncivil editing behavior. The discussion is about the topic Barney Frank. Thank you. MichaelLNorth (talk) 19:55, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Can you help . . .

. . . with this important topic? _matic 04:06, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

redirect to User:Drmies. kelapstick (talk) 04:24, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

That's interesting because I was just going to point out that you are an expert. I added a popular culture section (unreferenced) so the article looks fine now. I think Doc shows up to work, just for a very very limited time. Office hours: Thursdays 3:15 to 3:45 p.m. But he will be away the next two Thursdays... grilling. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:26, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Feel free to include me in the "see also" section. kelapstick (talk) 05:13, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

This biography may be up your alley, too. _matic 08:12, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Dick Armey

I wondered if you had ever taken a gander at the article?--Die4Dixie (talk) 04:33, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Was his father affiliated with the mafia? ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:38, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Not that I know of. But that woman from msnbc is half the article.--Die4Dixie (talk) 04:54, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

I'll have a look. But I'm no Dick Armey fan. :) How are things going Dix? You staying out of trouble? Who knew that Armey was still alive... I saw that Traficant was just let out of prison. It would be good to put them all in a cell together, no?ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:00, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Let's dig up the guest list for his brother's bar mitzvah. _matic 05:22, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm confident he's not Jewish. He may be pagan. Or a Mason? Elk? Moose? I'm sure he calls himself Christian, but so do a lot of characters that would fit in on South Park or Misplaced Pages. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:30, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Are you still chasing after mafia members CoM? You should know by now that even if you catch them with reliable sources, which can verify the facts (straight from the horses mouth no less) - that's still not going to be enough to submit to an article. You'll need photos, tape recordings, police reports, ... well you get the picture. As I'm sure you're also aware of by now: "one of the brightest and most energetic defenders of civil rights issues" is not puffery, please consider the very NPOV Clinton - Gottheimer source. Of course I would have to assume that any quote from O'Reilly, Limbaugh, or Hannity would simply not be allowed. All those guys have to backup their claims are "research" and "facts". By the way, you never followed up on which articles you wanted restored to your sandbox. Let me know. Cheers. — Ched :  ?  06:16, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Everybody is a comedian (and a rapper). The AfD closer was slow in responding, but eventually came through.

There was actually more puffery than that about Frank being a bridge builder with conservatives, so maybe I should be thankful. Did you know that Frank is renowned as a moderate who frequently crosses party lines and only engages in partisan attacks with the utmost reluctance?

If people want to be silly and put ridiculous shit in articles there's not much I can do about it. I don't think it makes sense to play games and force readers to play interpreter in guessing what slanted abstractions signify. I would like to see fair and accurate article content. But even more than that I would really appreciate it if the POV pushing slime would refrain from launching false accusations, personal attacks, and time wasting smears against me here and on article discussion pages. That these fuckers then report my responses on noticeboards hoping some boob of an admin (and there are plenty to choose from) will block me, is par for the course at this point, but I have better things to do with my time then play the diff digging game and tit for tat with the animals at the zoo. And I've had enough of the arbs and admins who want to play wiki-cop and think this is some sort of model UN forum. If they can't grasp the basics of what goes on here then it's no wonder we have so much incivility and asinine time wasting drama. I prefer to write and edit articles and will continue to do so as long as I am able. So I'll keep hoping for the best. I do miss the Law. :( ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:30, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages isn't supposed to be "fair and ..."—that's Fox News. _matic 06:50, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Why don't they put all these talking head crazies on one or two channels and actually have news programs on a couple of other channels. I can't watch any of the main "news" programs because it's nothing but some schmuck in a jacket and tie (or a bleached blonde in a brightly colored dress) spouting off. And now they changed anchors on Worldfocus so I can't even get a proper dose of international news without having to endure a melodramatic British accented host who isn't comfortable or up to doing the job. Why is everyone trying to get me fired up. :) I do like Katty Kay though, although some of her viewpoints are bit simplistic. The whole media is just so echo chambery it's getting ridiculous. As nutty as Glenn Beck and O'Reilly are, at least they do some original research on occasion and every now and then have interesting nugget or something so over the top it's kind of funny. Those shows are just bad, the rest of the stuff is mind numbingly awful. How hard is it to replace the talking points and spin with the occasional journalistic offering of investigative reality or actual news? I've concluded that we're just getting more and more stupid in the U.S. of A. The situation on Wiki and in the media are just symptoms. But hopefully they're getting smarter elsewhere. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:01, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

looks ever so much better now. I just didn´t know where to start. I´m doing well, and hope you are as well. --Die4Dixie (talk) 06:23, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

It mostly looked okay content wise until I got to that one section. It does need better organization and some tweaking. You should have warned me about the photo. I almost pissed myself. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:30, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

• Calm down, I was only trying to make you smile - not get you all riled up. I agree with you, and when I thought the badgering had gotten to be more that it should be, I asked for it to stop. You know that I don't really edit political areas, and if I ever do start - it's only going to be on a subject that I have a modicum of respect for, and frankly, there are a few of our "brightest and most energetic defenders of civil rights" that I can't find an ounce of respect for. Just keep your cool, and stick to the "content" - if I can help, I will. There is nothing here worth getting emotionally distraught over. It's a website. Do the work that you enjoy, be happy in what you do. When the payroll office opens up, then I'll be more than happy to join in on the political side of things, but until then - SMILE, enjoy life. You do some damn good work here, and I respect you a lot. Stay mellow, and "Don't worry, Be happy". ;-) — Ched :  ?  06:46, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Calm is my middle name! ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:48, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Child of Calm Midnight .. hmmm ... I'm likin that! by the way, I miss Law too. ;) — Ched :  ?  06:50, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

By the way Chedsky, I blame your buddy Pedro for my F-bomb dropping. He's a very bad influence! ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:13, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

F-Bombs huh, you may want to watch out on that. Some editors around here get upset when you say those, but then again maybe it has always just been me, since my sentences have always been "Fuck You". No that is nonsense, I don't think that is it. What is your opinion you?--WillC 08:25, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Clean language and wholesome living are best. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:13, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

I guess that depends on the person.--WillC 23:57, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Undo

Hi CoM

I undid this contribution, thinking you may not have intended to leave it overnight. If you wish to re-add it, I won't undo it again.

_matic 10:03, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

The guy has always seemed somewhat notable to me (although after this most recent look-see I was inclined to vote delete). Is a somewhat well established translator of major works notable? ChildofMidnight (talk) 13:38, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't think so. Are established pit crews of notable car racing teams notable? Choose a better analogy, but the result is the same. Doing something vital on notable works doesn't necessarily make one notable unless one's work has been noted. _matic 17:03, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

You're probably right on this one. I do respect the editor's earnest efforts to meet the notability guidelines though, even as there is probably a COI issue. Oh well. Ashes to ashes and dust to dust. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:06, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

I've started Chick magnet

I have started one of the articles that you were going to work on but I might not be able to get it to the pass on my own. Are you available?--Sky Attacker Here comes the bird! 23:39, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to help with this ... but it would be a BLP / COI conflict. ;P — Ched :  ?  12:12, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Ha, I would help but have no knowledge of the subject. kelapstick (talk) 13:35, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

CoM, a picture to visually demonstrate what a chick magnet is would really be good for the article. I asked J.delanoy earlier because I had seen a picture of him on his userpage, but he'd rather not have a picture of himself in the article. I've never seen a picture of you CoM, but do you believe that you are sexy? If so, would you mind posing with a small group of ladies and uploading the picture to use in the article? Again, it's okay if you won't do it but it would improve the article and who know's...it might be a good opportunity for you (if you know what I mean) ;)--Sky Attacker Here comes the bird! 20:44, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

How about these shots , , and . All freely licensed. In fact here's a whole page of returns . I would put up a photo, but jealousy is a big enough problem on here as it is. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:10, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

This shot is rather good also . ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:18, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Cool. I'll look into it a bit later.--Sky Attacker Here comes the bird! 02:00, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

I've made several changes to Chick magnet. Do you think you could look it over? Cheers.--Sky Attacker Here comes the bird! 05:23, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Have a good weekend. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:47, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks CoM. You too.--Sky Attacker Here comes the bird! 05:48, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Did You Know

... that the top four articles in the Bacon Challenge 2009 received over 37,000 page views? Wow I hadn't checked, 17,000 for peanut butter, banana and bacon sandwich, 11,000 for Mitch Morgan , 9,200 for maple bacon donut, 9,800 for bacon vodka? Check it out at Misplaced Pages:DYKSTATS#June_2009. It's no bacon explosion but i'll take it!--kelapstick (talk) 18:17, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Are you craving bacon K-stick? Did you not get enough pig at the Luaus? How's the fam, the job and the new place? ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:16, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Have you recovered from your vacation? Where are the encyclopedic photos that you took to enhance our coverage of related subjects??? ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:04, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Your brain, please

CoM, who was that college football player we messed around with some last year or so? Refresh my memory if you can... Drmies (talk) 02:19, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Jerraud Powers? Why isn't Vince Young the starter for the Titans? Silliness. The Broncos were 7-4 when they pulled Jake Plummer. They missed the play-offs that year, haven't done squat since, fired their coach, and traded Cutler. When a guy is winning you stick with him. Period. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:45, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

I thought there was one who both you and I claimed was notable and got deleted nonetheless. Am I misremembering? I obviously haven't kept up with the NFL like you have. I never followed the Titans anyway--their uniforms are too ugly. The Broncos pulled Plummer for Cutler? I used to enjoy watching both. Note the similarities in their names (first names as well). Coincidence? Drmies (talk) 15:36, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

You're right, it was Powers--strange history (of the article, I mean). Look at this: Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for deletion/Jerraud Powers. Drmies (talk) 15:38, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

I wholeheartedly agree with everything you stated before the comma. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:18, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Reply

HaHa. ... I'm pretty sure you know that I was referring to the person who accused you of "GROSS BLP violations". If not, then you are hereby sentenced to self-inflict a punishment of 10 lashes with a Wet noodle ... OH MY! ... a redlink. As further punishment ... turn that link blue. Until then please use watered down generic, run of the mill, plain old - Noodle. ;) — Ched :  ?  20:10, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Snowpack

...I don't think we're agreeing on this one man. I mean, do you think there is plenty of information out there that would qualify it for its own article. Wouldn't it be all right as a section of Snow?--Sky Attacker Here comes the bird! 22:07, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Snow pack is a critical subject related to water supplies, avalanches, winter habitats, and glacier building. A section in snow would be a good start, but I think it's an important and interesting subject that should have its own article. I was actually a little disappointed with the sourcing on chick magnet once I dug into what was available, but I still think it's a decent article. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:11, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Snowpack is incredibly important here, most of our water comes from snowpack in the Sierra Nevadas (there are two large reservoirs that feed the agriculture here). Quite surprised that it redirects. --kelapstick (talk) 22:14, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough. I'll let you two handle that one. I think I like the idea of Fuddy duddy though. Maybe I could do that.--Sky Attacker Here comes the bird! 22:23, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

I just launched wet noodle. Will it last? Fuddy duddy is a good one. I don't know what I means. But there are those who will delete that type of article saying we are not a dictionary. Good luck. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:26, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Do you know anything about Fuddy Duddy's fudge? See .--Sky Attacker Here comes the bird! 22:48, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

• I've never heard of it. But it's another example of the important significance that fuddy duddy has. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:45, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

I removed the speedy template (inappropriate criteria), you should probably come up with some sources of it's use as an idiom (it is isn't it?) or figure out what to redirect it. --kelapstick (talk) 22:34, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't think it's figurative, I think it's literal. So I don't think idiom is the right terminology. We could ask Doc, but I don't know if I can handle all those commas and semicolons. Plus he's known to be very discriminatory when it comes to that and which. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:36, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Literal use in a figurative statement? I know of nobody whom has been lashed with a wet noodle, albeit I have been threatened.--kelapstick (talk) 22:38, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

What do you think the wet noodle is meant to refer to then? The idea of trying to whip someone with wet linguini seems to me to make sense quite literally as an example of a punishment that would not be injurious. I am researching the subject now, and it's also very significant as something that can be pushed on one end without success in moving the other end. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:44, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Maybe figurative was wrong, I meant that there is no real intent to actually lash. I have to think back to all the context in which I have heard it used.--kelapstick (talk) 22:50, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

I think the problem is that practically, and I speak from experience, attempting to lash someone with a wet noodle is no easy task. So while the intent may be there, it's not effective. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:15, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Nice work on the opening line. Much better. Snowpack is now up and running as well. I used the most reliable and expert source available. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:27, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

I think metaphor was the word I was looking for. Still not sure if it is right though.--kelapstick (talk) 01:03, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Wet noodle

Please refrain from introducing inappropriate pages, such as Wet noodle, to Misplaced Pages. Doing so is not in accordance with our policies. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. Eeekster (talk) 22:30, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Ched Davis encouraged me to create the article. I hold him personally responsible. An RfC might be in order or some type of appropriate punishment if anyone can come up with something fitting... ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:34, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Speedy was rightfully declined. As far as my punishment ... I guess you'll just have to flog me with a ... <*cough, cough*> ... — Ched :  ?  01:13, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

The real reason I removes the tag was because anything Ched suggests is noatble by default. :) kelapstick (talk) 01:32, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Kelapstick, I really needed a smile right now. This has been an absolutely horrible week, and the last few hours may have made it one of the worst in my life (R/L). — Ched :  ?  01:42, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:03, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Rehi

I'm back, raring to go after nearly a year's Wikibreak :-) I don't have as much time for WP as I used to, so I'm going to be putting some long-overdue effort into improving and expanding WP's micronation articles, as my main focus. Given that this subject seems to be a source of profound misunderstanding and perpetual annoyance for some editors, I think it would be great if experienced, un-involved editors like yourself could offer guidance, and help mediate disagreements, where necessary. Is this something you might be willing to consider? If so, please think about registering at the Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Micronations. --Gene_poole (talk) 09:06, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

New definition

Picked this up when I was on recent changes. Check out the new meaning of the word Hardware.--Sky Attacker Here comes the bird! 09:43, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Heads-up

Hi there. I'm shortly going to propose that this site be added as an WP:EL to both List of micronations and Micronations.

As the site includes the most extensive, up-to-date listing of micronations currently available from any source, I believe that it is directly relevant to the subject of those articles, and that its inclusion within them would significantly complement the existing content, and enhance their usefulness and the level of informativeness they communicate to the general reader.

However, before I iniate that discussion I firstly wanted to disclose that I'm the owner and primary author of www.listofmicronations.com. Secondly, in order to avoid any suggestion of WP:COI I intend to refrain from adding the link myself, should the eventual consensus support my proposal. --Gene_poole (talk) 02:32, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

The website looks very good! Thanks for the link. I don't have any problem with including it and I think it's helpful and I appreciate the full disclosure. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:04, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Timelines

--Cybercobra (talk) 06:11, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of "Heath Ceramics"

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Thank you. ukexpat (talk) 18:51, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

thx and other stuff

Hey CoM, just wanted to say thanks for the kind words. I prolly won't get back up to full speed here at WP til middle or end of this week, but I'll try to get caught up asap. re: Jets. Actually, I'm a Steeler fan. Born and breed here in "da Burg". I saw that the Jets did win, but the only game I really paid attention to on Sun. was the Ravens game. (Steelers played on Thurs. night). Anyway, hope all is well, I'll get back to you soon as I get caught up. Cheers.

Oh ... by the way, I think you've come a long way. I think you do some damn fine work here, and I've noticed that it appears that you've been able to tone down some of the more controversial things. Congrats on that, I'm glad to see it. Keep up the good work. ;) — Ched :  ?  11:01, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Lord Loss

Don't you think that merging the article to the series would be a better choice? Joe Chill (talk)

Never mind. I have found out that it is independently notable (which isn't surprising since the series is awesome and by a popular author). Joe Chill (talk) 21:13, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Cool. I'm glad notability has been established. I have changed my vote accordingly. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:15, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Very slow reply...

I only just now saw your reply: . It makes me sad to read it, because it seems that you believe me to be the opposite of what I am. You said, "I often find myself disagreeing with your approach. I like to keep the focus on article content. I don't like a lot of discussion that isn't directly focused on how to improve content and I'm not big on process."

I, like you, like to focus on article content. That's all I was supporting in my post to you, and it's all that my approach is directed to. Apparently, you think I don't like to focus on article content, and that makes me sad. I wonder what you consider "my approach" to be.

For the last week or so, I've been working hard on setting up WP:INCUBATE, which has nothing to do with anything but improving article content. I'm mystified as to what you think I'm about. I'm glad you recognize my good faith, but I think you believe some strange fictions about my approach. My only point in that Jedi AFD was to save you the trouble of arguing, so that you can focus on content.

I am 100% in agreement with your priorities. My priorities are identical to yours. You said, "I often find that once positions are staked out there's not much that can be done." That's all I was trying to say to you. No more, no less. Same words, just about. Stubborn deletionists can not be convinced. Arguing with them is a waste of time. Let's find ways to waste less time on them, so you can spend more on content. That's what I'm all about.

I am entirely mystified regarding what you refer to as my "approach". Everything you say about it is alien to me, and everything you say you prefer to "my approach" is nothing more nor less than what my approach actually is. Maybe you can explain to me, but I don't want you to waste your time doing that. I want you to work on content. I'm not so good at it - I'm support staff. All I offer is support, of the kind that means you don't have to argue in AFD.

It truly makes me sad that you seem to think I care about anything more than content here. I do not know how I came across that way to you. I hope you'll check out what we're doing at WP:INCUBATE. It's not being created to add process or bureaucracy, but rather to solve the problem that you and others have complained about. I can't change the way AFD nominators think, and neither can you. All I want is a way to improve articles without having to argue with them one bit. When I suggested that there are ways you could spend less time arguing with them, you seemed to think that I was asking you to spend more time, and in your post on the 8th, you still seemed to think that. That makes me quite sad.

• "My feeling remains that editors who are willing to work on improving articles should be given as much assistance as possible in the AfD process". Me too.
• "nominators who treat AfDs in a way that doesn't seek to improve the encyclopedia or to find the best outcome, but to be vindicated and "win" is unfortunate." 100%
• "Any time someone is willing to come to a subject, determine in good faith that it's worth fixing, and to try to do so they should be given the benefit of the doubt and as much assistance as possible." That's the assistance I've always been offering.
• "I like the focus on what needs to be done to improve the encyclopedia, I think that's the whole idea behind the Ignore All the Rules guideline." I wrote WP:WIARM because I agree with this so much.
• "If there's disagreement then that has to be sorted out, but it should be done in good faith with a focus on how best to improve the encyclopedia." Yep.
• "I'm almost always willing to compromise and try to work things out in an agreeable way, but the time spent in trying to get rid of things that are useful and interesting when they can be merged or are fairly notable doesn't seem useful to me. There's plenty of room, so if things are reliably sourced, it's a matter of how best to include content." Abso-freakin'-lutely.

Every statement you made in your reply, I'm behind 100%. I wish you realized that I'm entirely your ally, in total agreement with you. All I said that seemed to be a problem was that you already are free from having to waste time in AFD. I'm more on your side than you are when it comes to that. You never have to argue with a deletionist. I've got your back. You arguing in AFDs is less efficient than you ignoring AFDs, and there is no threat of deletion, because I'm ready to undelete. I want you to know that you are free and empowered to stay out of those stupid discussions with those people who will not be convinced. It pains me that you thought I was saying anything else.

I don't really care if you reply to this. I'm kind of curious what planet you think I've been coming from - don't say Dagobah - but that's not important to me. You knowing that you don't have to waste your time on dumb debates is important to me, because you are much more valuable as a writer than as a deletionist-persuader. I've got your back, CoM. Whatever you think I believe that you disagree with - I don't actually believe it. Throw all of those bizarre conceptions away - I'm just your servant, here to make sure you have time to write. -GTBacchus 21:59, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I can vouch for GTBacchus, I am still interested in his motives, (the most influential and successful editors are able to find common ground in any disagreement) but he is doing wonderful work at WP:INCUBATE. Maybe you know something I don't, but from the brief time I have worked with Bacchus, he seems like a very helpful, intelligent, hard working individual, who believes in the goals of wikipedia. Ikip (talk) 02:07, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

I've followed the incubator development a bit. I'll be interested to see how it progresses. I don't have any complaints about GTB except that he really really seems to like discussing things. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:14, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

I just type fast. All the discussing I do is so that you won't have to. Some might be grateful... -GTBacchus 05:55, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Lord Loss

Hello Mr. Childofmidnight. We have talked briefly in the past. But lord, I seem to see your name everywhere. Quite a controversial figure.

The reason I am here is the Lord Loss AFD. I have asked the nominator to close the AFD because of the new information establishing minimal notability provided by Mr. Chill. But I just realized that you may have to change your !vote also for me to close this. Please consider the new information and decide what you feel.

Thank you for your time, and I hope things have calmed down for you. Ikip (talk) 02:01, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

ChildofMidnight, hi fellow controversial figure. Joe Chill (talk) 02:03, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

LOL. Glad you liked that. You need to work harder making waves Joe, because you don't seem to have the notoriety that Child has yet. Ikip (talk) 02:08, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

If Ikip is telling me I'm controversial... gulp. :) It seemed a case where deletion wasn't a good option so merging was a fair compromise. I did say if it wasn't independently notable. For what it's worth, most of my troubles have been caused by Drmies. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:12, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Rrrrright. I'd give a you barnstar with one point missing, if such a thing existed. Has all that bacon grease finally clogged the arteries to your brain? Which reminds me: I told my lit class the other day about this great new invention of mine, a 5-second snack: a strip of bacon with hot sauce. Of course, if you don't have pre-cooked strips of bacon sitting on the counter you're not a good American. Oddly enough, they were not impressed! Drmies (talk) 14:57, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Listen all of y'all it's a sabotage! Funny. I hope things are going well down there. Cooling off is it? ChildofMidnight (talk) 15:38, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism?

Did you see the latest vandalism to Bacon mania? Shocking. _matic 14:05, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm innocent! What is vanalism? ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:34, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Did you see the link? _matic 23:22, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes. It was wonderful. I left it up. There is some brouhaha on ANI (in the Russavia thread) about a secret mailing list. So I'm trying to get caught up with that. :) What's new with you? ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:28, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Eh, doesn't seem to be much there. Just the usual off-wiki collaboration and discussion by admins who are busy shrieking about being "outted" should their lack of transparency and cabalism get exposed to the light of day. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:56, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Philippe Torreton

Why are you tagging the Philippe Torreton article for deletion etc, notability etc.. He has won a César Award for Best Actor and has appeared in several notable French films. I created the page because its on the list of things to do at the French cinema 'task force' page. And references, well it's from the french wikipedia article so its o.k. and if its allowed to stay long enough I'll add references.Sayerslle (talk) 22:57, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Super. References would be very good. I will update the article according to your comment. Verifiability is very important on the English speaking Misplaced Pages. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:59, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Miniature horses

Please see my comments on the talk page. Are you an admin? Do you have any background with horses? Montanabw 23:25, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

I saw some of your comments on the talk page, but none about the bit you keep removing without proper discussion. I am not an admin, but I am very very powerful so it's usually best to just go along with whatever I say. What does my background with horses have to do with anything? You agree that miniature horses bite, so it doesn't seem to be an issue of fact (and I cited the assertion which I hadn't added in the first place and was considerate enough to modify TWICE per your edit summaries). Yet you continue to edit war, so I'd say it's up to you at this piont to explain why it makes sense to state how friendly and lovely the animals are without mentioning that they kick and nip. Are you trying to endanger our children and to keep thsoe reading Misplaced Pages's miniature horse article in oblivious ignorance of the very real dangers that can suffered at the mouth and hoofs of these dwarfs? ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:34, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

What are you thinking when you revert sensible changes to absurd wording like "miniature horses are found all over the world" and "they are still real horses"? Are you serious? You've edit warred to exclude note that they kick and nip, but readded a statement that they are real animals? I need a drink. Where's GTB when I need him. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:38, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

A big mega hit at WP:ACN

Hey, have you seen this big mega hit incident regarding secrete cabal to systematically harass some user and to meatpuppet for content dispute for a long time Wikipedia_talk:AC/N#Eastern_European_mailing_list? --Caspian blue 01:00, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I mentioned it above. ;) I'm way ahead of you Caspian blue.

Russavia is a difficult editor with a strong POV, but I haven't followed the situation closely enough to know if they've been treated fairly. That admins communicate off-wiki and think it's okay to to do so without transparency or the involvement of the parties they judge is pretty standard. Still it is amusing when they get all outraged and yell about OUTING, when flashlights and daylight are cast upon their dark coreners and spidey holes. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:05, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Definitely, Russavia has been treated unfairly for a long time. I have no idea what content they are disputing, but all edit warring by the whole team look same to me, but Biophys has been weirdly saved by the involved admins including the temp.desysoped admin many times while Russavia has been straightly blocked or baited or wrongly accused of sockpupetry. Well, I have been also harassed by Japanese off-wiki site, blogs, but those are written in Japanese, so not much attentions were given to. So this case reminds me of them as well.--Caspian blue 01:13, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. I'm hoping that the logs and such will be posted (with real names redacted). Nothing like the light of day to impart a little justice on those lurking in the shadows. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:15, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

CCD

I've moved your question and my response to the article talk page William M. Connolley (talk) 07:19, 18 September 2009 (UTC)