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Blocked
- Ludvikus, I am very sorry to see this happen. I strongly urge you to contest this unfair block. I have felt for some time that you are an excellent editor and that your contributions are invaluable to the project as a whole, not just the few articles you choose to edit. Again, I am very sorry my friend. I very much look forward to seeing you out in front of everyone else once again soon. - 4twenty42o (talk) 06:45, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you very much. I'm glad there are nice people like you around. But I find this place far too ugly to want to appeal. And I don't want to give these "jerks" any satisfaction. I'll miss you, and the other true Content-editors. But I find this last banning editor utterly disgusting. And you should know that they all stick up for each other. So even if I was interested, I would not succeed in an appeal. But I'm truly not interested in editing now. Maybe later when Jimbo replaces these ugly Cops with Computer-software. But even then I'll probably find a much more rewarding and civil environment. I wish you the best. Too bad you're not an Administrator. But a nice person like you would not be accepted as such. Most of them are jerks, like the one who blocked me. And I think none have the balls to over-ride him. To be an administrator you have to be a coward - like all bullies are. And I never liked bullies, nor have I ever submitted myself to them. So I'm glad to be out of here. --Ludvikus (talk) 07:25, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
- i would not make such generalizations about administrators, nor any other group of people. i did encounter a few decent ones, who base their decisions on reason, and not emotion. BUT, i have a suggestion for you, try to contact an arbitrator. they are in general MUCH more responsible than administrators, and they don't wave with blocks the way "small minded" administrators do. (note that i just made a generalization -- but it is not really such a generalization, as there are only few arbitrators, so generalization is based on consideration of the most of the sample :) 212.200.205.163 (talk) 10:26, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for taking the time to make your observations. However, I think you, and probably Jimbo Wales is un-aware of the extent to which Misplaced Pages is run by such bullies as those that ganged up on me. That is utterly disgusting. If they cannot break you into kissing their asses, they will Block you. Don't you see how they stick together? They don't care how valuable your contributions are. All they really care about is that you lick their boots. And in such an atmosphere I definitely do not belong. Let me remind you what happened - I asked that threatening Administrator to be my Mentor. His reply involved a remark about "holding a gun to my head." That's exactly how it works at Misplaced Pages. If you do not Conform, one of the comes over, and "puts a gun to your head." That guy is definitely what he said he was not - a "jerk." A do not what to be in a place were a "jerk" like that blocking Administrator, and his supporting side kick, a character named "" do "hold a gun to my head." I suggest they uses to blow each others heads, not hold that gun of theirs to mine. It's these two characters who, working in concert "blue my brains out." If you are willing to work in that kind of atmosphere, fine. I'm not willing to do that. But I will miss you, though. That's the only bad part - the editors, who actually do the writing, and editing are normal human beings, like you. But I think these so-called "administrators" are mostly sadomasochists, I'm not. They should play those games with one another. Not with me. Besides, Misplaced Pages, because they control it, is far below my standard of scholarship. So I do need to find a better place to make my contributions. But I'm glad I finally expressed my anger at these disgusting administrators who often partner with a lackey. Maybe, one day, Jimbo will find the time to do something about such "jerks." Again, I will miss you. But that too makes them happy. --Ludvikus (talk) 13:09, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
- my guidance in life is this: All that evil needs to prevail is for good men to do nothing! 212.200.205.163 (talk) 23:48, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you for your support. It's extremely appreciated! --Ludvikus (talk) 11:42, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
- Since 2003 you are here? Wow. A Serbian bother I see. Serbs are Slavs, right? I'm Czech by birth - so we're related? So much so that they think we're the same! Have you read nineteen eighty-four?
- my guidance in life is this: All that evil needs to prevail is for good men to do nothing! 212.200.205.163 (talk) 23:48, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
- Yep, we are Slavs. some native english editors seem to have problems with our usage of their language. :) they seem confused with some things we say, and we need to explain to them that perception in our countries of things they talk about (i.e. conspiracy theories) is different from their perception. that's why i insist on finding better sources for their 'american angled' statements. 1984 -- honestly, i don't remember if i read it, i think i did, but i totally know what it is about. a few books / movies talk about similar topic. 212.200.205.163 (talk) 14:36, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
- You better answer quickly - before you're Blocked for "disruption." Anyone now who stand-up for me is a disruptor. Even this statement can be viewed as a "disruption." I could even be blocked for this. So you have to be very careful, and conform to the majority. How is that good for creating a great encyclopedia? It seems rather a way of insuring that it remain mediocre. --Ludvikus (talk) 13:11, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
- i don't conform to majority, like ever. there are times i don't say anything, as i see it would not have effect. when i do say it, i say it because i don't want to change their mind, but the mind of their listeners. there is a time for everything. now, you have to understand 2 things. when editors call you disruptive or this or that, and it is not true, you can respond in few ways. one is to be spontaneous, and simply state plain straight what they are doing, but there is a civillity policy which makes it easy for passive aggressive types to get what they want, while getting you banned if you respond in a non passive aggressive way. another way is to be wise and calm, and point out to the identifying incivility section, and to point out that in order for them to be civil, they have to point specific diffs of your disruption, etc., to backup accusations with facts. why is this important. because, even when there are few of editors backing up each other, if you are right, and truth is on your side, other uninvolved editors will see it, and will act upon it. that is why RfC, and similar tools are very good for article disputes - it expands discussion from few article's regulars to a wider group of editors. 212.200.205.163 (talk) 14:36, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
- That's sound advise. But when I started editing at Misplaced Pages, in 2006, I was naive in my belief that it was possible for me to edit successfully at Philosophy. There I got disagreements from different editors for different reasons. Eventually on megalomaniac (I'm not naming him, so it's not a personal attack), evaluated me on the Bristol Stool Scale. Well, I exploded. Anyway, the result was being labeled a "disruptor." Now every time an editor or administrator disagrees with me, they look up my record, and I'm just being "disruptive" all over again. So you have a clean record. I'm a Wiki criminal. And there's another thing. Not so many editors or administrators are as intelligent as you and me - so they cannot do all that reading or research you suggest. If the argument is long - well, you're a "disruptor." But I'll re-read what you wrote to see if there's something I missed from which I can learn. But notice that I'm not jumping in to beg that I be un-blocked. I'm really hoping Jimbo Wales would replace some of these Administrators with a Computer - especially that User:Moreschi, and his side kick User:Blueboy96, who approved the idea of "holding a gun to my head." This blue-boy editor thinks I was not justified in agreeing with User:Moreschi that he's a "jerk" for saying he would be "holding a gun to my head." As you can see, WP:Civility means nothing to these Administrators - and now my demand for Civility has become, itself, a new reason to Block me - they will call this demand for Civility itself disruptive. I thing an administrator talking about "holding a gun to an editors head" is extremely disruptive, and that's not a "grudge" - it's my effort to get Misplaced Pages to improve itself. It appears that the "senior administrator" thinks otherwise. But he shows some wisdom in lifting the Block over you. I don't think he'll do that when it comes to me - because once your labeled a "disruptor" at Misplaced Pages, anything you say that isn't agree able - is just another "disruption." --Ludvikus (talk) 15:04, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
- that is a vary nasty scale. he should have been blocked immediately. 212.200.205.163 (talk) 15:11, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
- But User:Blueboy96, his side-kick, has been here since 2005. So that should tell you something about the real culture of Misplaced Pages. According to User:Blueboy96, for me to call an administrator who says he's a "jerk" for saying he's "holding a gun to my head" is grounds to get me an indefinite ban. So what's the pretense at civility. You know, if somebody slaps you in the face and you hit him/her back, whose disruptive? By the way, I watched Jimbo Wales on YouTube yesterday - and that's the word he used: "jerk." He actually stated that there are "jerks" at Misplaced Pages. We also have the expression, "don't be a dick." This is - apparently - an appropriate expression at Misplaced Pages - but to be used cautiously. So I don't believe that "jerk" should ban me indefinitely when in fact the banning administrator is what he himself considered about himself. He said he didn't want to be a "jerk." Yet he has the power to lift this Block. But you know what may in fact happen? Some other "jerk" Administrator will come and Block this page for "disruption." That's why I say to Jimbo Wales - replace many of these jerks by software - it knows better how to be "soft" and doesn't need to "hold a gun to the head of another editor." Oh, I know - I'm playing the victim. I'm holding a "grudge." There are too many ways these administrators can abuse their privileges. --Ludvikus (talk) 15:33, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Blocked
- To say that I am extremely relieved that you have been indefinitly blocked from Misplaced Pages is an understatement. However, as I've told you before, although your major proposed changes to the New World Order (conspiracy theory) article were soundly rejected because of their convoluted logic or poor style, I cannot deny that some of your minor proposed changes have improved the article and I thank you for them. That being said, I hope you will see your ban not as a punishment but a motivator to finally take the time to both deeply familiarize yourself with Misplaced Pages guidelines but also reliable sources for the subject of any article you take interest in. I therefore sincerely hope you come back to us as a better person to collaborate with on making Misplaced Pages the best 💕. Take care. --Loremaster (talk) 10:12, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
- "I therefore sincerely hope you come back to us as a better person to collaborate with on making Misplaced Pages the best 💕. Take care." I'm focusing on that remark of yours, and want you to know that I'm a forgiving person. We might have worked things out down the road, and I think you probably are not fully aware of yourself. I hope this was a learning experience for you. It's not nice how you are still insisting on calling User:Batvette a "conspiracy theorist." I read the "truce" message you left on his Talk page. My anger is actually not as great with you as it is with those "jerks" who feel they are "holding a gun to my head." Unfortunately, it is these kind of quasi-psychopaths who ultimately run this place, and as long as they are in charge, I do not wish to be here, around them. However, I realize that you are a passionate content editor, and I think that over time you would have learned to put aside your extremely abusive ways of confronting other editors. So if your hope is that I learn to live with such abuse, then you're gravely mistaken. I'm formally trained - among other subjects - in philosophy. In that field there's a distinction made (derived from the ancient Greeks) between knowing how (techne) and knowing that (episteme) (I see it's in red, too bad I'm not around to make it blue, but maybe someone else will do that in my honor - I'm joking about the last word). Knowing that consists, roughly speaking of facts and theories, and therefore knowledge. And that was the beginning of philosophy. However, "techne," which they denigrated, is how one acquires morality. You can get knowledge from a professor through a single lecture. But to become physically fit, you need to work out. So I think we could have worked things out, and I could have invited you to one of the colleges where I teach to get some interesting knowledge that's not readily available on the web. But the more important aspect of our exchange would have been the quasi-physical training whereby you would have become more sensitized to labeling people as "cranks." I hope you give this experience with me its due weight - because if I had to choose between the good of your soul, and wiping out Misplaced Pages, I assure you I would, without any hesitation choose your soul. There is a saying and belief in Judaism that to save a soul is to save the whole world. --Ludvikus (talk) 13:59, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
- I cannot understand how someone can justify an indefinite ban on the grounds that:
- you are sometimes a little bit annoying,
- have a different opinion to some other people, and
- have poor editing style (i.e. making 15 small edits, rather than 2 larger ones followed by 2 small ones to correct errors)
- In the short time I have known you on Misplaced Pages I have grown to respect you, even when you were being annoying. I disagree with the decision taken.
- Best wishes for the future.--Toddy1 (talk) 11:48, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for your observation, my "cousin" from Ukraine. I'll miss you too, besides the other kind editors above. I was hoping you could teach me some of your techniques in setting up those lovely charts - but I never got a chance to ask you about that. And of course, I remember you acute observation about that place where the "bullies" run the show. So I will definitely miss working with you. But the hypocritical "administrators" don't really care about that - like the one who told me that he was "holding a gun to my head." He obviously has no sensitivity to language, and is a "jerk" who does not deserve to be an Administrator. And if Jimbo Wales want to keep him here, that I'm glad to be out of here - but I will miss you - and of course, that makes that "jerk" administrator, and his side-kick, very, very, happy to have Blocked me indefinitely - for calling a "jerk" what he called himself, with the assistance of his "Blueboy." Let them enjoy each others company - I'm glad to be out of here. --Ludvikus (talk) 13:24, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
- Ludvikus, your comment on my Talk page came while I was away from Misplaced Pages, and I haven't gotten back until just now. I'm sorry to see you were blocked, and wish you the best of luck. Jayjg 00:42, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you so much. It's individual editors like yourself who really count. I appreciate your response. Have a nice day. --Ludvikus (talk) 02:20, 1 November 2009 (UTC)