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December 23, 2009

  • (Discuss) — Georges-Pierre Seurat → Georges Seurat — Twofold: he is better known as simply Georges Seurat than as Georges-Pierre Seurat, and the sources that do use Georges-Pierre are contradicted by the equally large number of sources that use Georges Pierre (without the dash). So we aren't even certain that the current title is a correct version of his name, while the proposed new name is universally recognised and certainly also correct. Fram (talk) 09:11, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) — Mohammad Mosaddegh → Mohammad Mossadegh — Procedural nomination. I closed the above two requested moves as fait accompli, then discovered that there had been a cut and paste fork of the page history (now fixed). Consensus wasn't reached in the previous discussions about what the name should be, nor are all the available options necessarily made clear. Therefore, I'm reopening a requested move. Please consult the above two discussions. — æk 07:51, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

December 22, 2009

  • (Discuss) — Karan Mahajan → Family Planning (novel) — The deletion discussion brought up the possibility of moving the page to one for his book. Nearly all the suggestions for why the author was notable brought up reviews of the book rather than any discussion of the author himself. I still don't think there's a case for notability for the author as opposed to the book, and think the page should be moved. Cjs2111 (talk) 21:44, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) — Ratchet & Clank (series) → Ratchet & Clank — Since the launch of the first game Ratchet & Clank has developed into a wide series consisting of numerous games, a sub-series, manga and action figures. Thus Ratchet & Clank is now more commonly referred to as a series rather than as simply the first game. The move is also supported by the disambiguation section of the naming conventions for the series. Hence the first game should be moved to Ratchet & Clank (video game) and the series page should be moved to Ratchet & Clank. An example of how this has been done before is that Final Fantasy directs to the series page while the first game, Final Fantasy is under Final Fantasy (video game) KiasuKiasiMan (talk) 12:45, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) — Devil May Cry (series) → Devil May Cry — Since the launch of the first game Devil May Cry has developed into a wide series consisting of numerous games, anime, manga, novels and comic books. Thus Devil May Cry is now more commonly referred to as a series rather than as simply the first game. The move is also supported by the disambiguation section of the naming conventions for the series. Hence the first game should be moved to Devil May Cry (video game) and the series page should be moved to Devil May Cry. An example of how this has been done before is that Final Fantasy directs to the series page while the first game, Final Fantasy is under Final Fantasy (video game) KiasuKiasiMan (talk) 12:36, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

December 21, 2009

  • (Discuss) — Thakore → Thakur — Most appropriate and commonly used term. Just did a google search and found 2.29 million hits against 0.1 million for Thakore. Even in the article itself, the term is spelled "Thakur". Thakore is very rarely used and I haven't find any one addressed as such so far. —Axxn (talk) 01:59, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

December 20, 2009

  • (Discuss) — Tavares (band) → Tavares (group) — I'm currently in the process of creating articles on the Tavares albums, and one thing which is bugging me slightly is the naming of this page 'Tavares (band)'. I know everyone has their own definitions, but to me a 'band' sings and plays whereas a 'group' only sings. Using random examples, I would categorise The Isleys and Earth Wind and Fire as bands, The O'Jays and The Delfonics as groups, and Tavares fit with the latter rather than the former. I'm therefore proposing to move the page to 'Tavares (group)', and would appreciate any thought/comments from others on the matter. I'll leave it until New Year to see if any agreement/disagreement is forthcoming. If nothing is said, I'll then assume it's OK to proceed with the move. Thanks. Draggleduck (talk) 10:18, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

December 19, 2009

  • (Discuss) — Template:Infobox monarch → Template:Infobox constitutional monarch — This requested move is in lieu of a deletion proposal. I do not think this template should be implemented universally for all "monarchs". In fact, I would like to delete it from a great many pages on pre-modern monarchs. Perhaps it would be best deleted from all article, but I don't care about modern monarchs enough to look into it. So, I propose a re-purposing of this template, specifically a restriction on its use, indicated by the renaming. Here are the reasons:#The infobox tempts editors who don't know better to add information which is highly uncertain as if it were fact. (Remember, pre-modern monarchs.) An example of this can be read about here with respect to an infobox here. Never is anything in the infobox sourced or footnoted. #The infobox tempts editors who don't know better to add images which are of no value whatsoever. See Hugh Capet. The caption tells the reader that the image is a pure fantasy with no relation whatsoever to any actual Hugh Capet. It represents nothing but a picture designed to entertain children. And it isn't even entertaining! If it depicted a fantasy-Hugh doing something the real-Hugh did, I could tolerate it. As it is it detracts from the page and probably misleads a great many readers about what tenth-century French kings looked like. #The infobox concentrates on that information which is least important with respect to most pre-modern monarchs. These were active rulers (generally). Their genealogies, their wives and concubines, their offspring, their dynastic connexions were all important (in varying degrees), but the most important things about Charlemagne—namely, what he did—are compeltely absent from his infobox. These monarchs were not figureheads, nor were they merely the highest rank of nobility. #The infobox takes up a lot of space usually merely duplicating information that could be more readably presented in the lead paragraph(s). Is it so hard to mention dates of life and reign, the names of successor and predecessor and of main wives in the lead? In sentences? #The infobox usually makes the lead image appear smaller than it otherwise would and discourages interesting and informative captions. The only images that seem tolerated by those who make these infoboxes are portraits, even though few such exist for ancient and medieval monarchs, bringing me back to point 2. It also forces the lead image to always be right-aligned, although the wisdom of this is disputed when it comes to images that are right-facing. #In light of points 3 and 4, I wonder if the infobox violates WP:NPOV in deciding what information needs to be duplicated at the top of the page in a special attention-grabbing box. #Aesthetics. (There is no need to argue this point: you either see it or you don't. But I urge you to think about it.)—Srnec (talk) 18:26, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) — Rehat Maryada → Sikh Rehat Maryada — The term "Rehat Maryada" means just Code of Conduct. Code of Conduct is a generic term. This article is specifically about the "Sikh" Rehat Marayada (Sikh Code of Conduct). In India there are many Rehat Maryada's. Hinduism, Buddism, Islam, Christianity etc, all have REhat Maryada's. Therefore to make this article more specific, It should be named "Sikh Rehat Maryada". See the following references:### Thanks --Sikh-History 09:42, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

December 18, 2009

December 17, 2009

  • (Discuss) — CamelCase → Camel case — Per WP:MOSTM. Trademarks that are rendered in uppercase as a matter of corporate policy rather than because of an underlying linguistic reason are to be converted to the same regular sentence case that any other proper noun would appear in. --Labattblueboy (talk) 21:08, 17 December 2009 (UTC) Rendering a title a noun in camel case or in any other unnecessary stylized fashion, without an underlying linguistic reason, appears inappropriate. WP:NAME notes that lower case is most appropriate, except for proper names. WP:MOSTM and WP:CAPS equally appear to show that stylized nouns or names are inappropriate. --Labattblueboy (talk) 05:58, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) — Irrigation → Watering — I propose to move the article to watering. Irrigation is a word that can only be used with the watering of plants, meaning that the article could be possibly expanded if watering is used instead. In addition, watering is more clear (eg the supplying of water). Irrigation could possibly also be mistaken with the supplying of liquid fertiliser (water + fertilizer).KVDP (talk) 09:59, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) — Collection plate → Collection (religious) — So far as I can tell, the article as it exists specifically says that less than half of Christianity, the religious group mentioned, even use collection plates. At present, over half of Christianity are within the Roman Catholic Church, which is said by that page to half slightly over half of all Christians within it. I cannot see why we have an article about an aspect of basically universal Christian relevance named after a version of the process used by less than have of even the current Christian population. John Carter (talk) 02:36, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

December 16, 2009

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  • (Discuss) — FC MTZ-RIPO → FC MTZ-RIPO Minsk — Adding a city for consistency with other Belarusian football teams. The proposed namespace became available after admin deleted old page (a redirect to this page), but I cannot move the article as the new name is on the blacklist (I suppose because of the 10 capital letters in row, but that's what the team named like officially) --NineInchRuiner (talk) 10:13, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) — My Guitar Wants to Kill Your Mama (song) → My Guitar Wants to Kill Your Mama — I want to move this to "MGWTKYM". I have already moved "MGWTKYM" to "MGWTKYM (album)"My arguments are*The Frank Zappa song came first*The album is named after the song, and is by his much-less-known son*I can't speak authoritatively on this, but the album page having the {{notability}} uncertainty template for over a year would support my claim that the album's page is far less often the page people are looking for when they go to My Guitar Wants to Kill Your Mama.Because the title of this page minus (song) is currently redirecting to the album, I cannot move this page over it. Thanks, admins. ~ magbatz 06:29, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) — Track Down → Takedown — None of the two references or three external links in this article even mention the name "Track Down". Therefore I think the title should be restored to what is clearly the main name, "Takedown". A note should be added that the DVD was released as "Track Down" (including the link above as a source), and that's all. Likewise, the fact that this film has been called "hackers 2" (as noted in the section below), should be added to this article, together with a source. Debresser (talk) 00:47, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) — Colombian Primera A → Fútbol Profesional Colombiano — The official name from 2010 is Liga Postobon, furthermore the correct name should be Colombian League of Fútbol Profesional Colombiano. In Colombia the championship is not known as Primera A, that is a mistake. Official communicate from Dimayor: it says in english:"the names of the tournaments of the championships of categories A and B will be: The First Division will be named Liga Postobón, the Second Division will be named Torneo Postobón, meanwhile the U-18 tournament which is organized by the Colombian Football Federation will be known as Campeonato Postobón."--Futbolero (talk) 19:30, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) — James Braid (physician) → James Braid (surgeon) — who represented himself as a “general practitioner" on each of his census returns — on each and every document (including his census returns) upon which James Braid stated his occupation he stated “surgeon” (N.B. Never “physician and surgeon” and never “general practitioner”);:(6) He was never a “physician” in either the sense that his practise centred on the delivery of physic, or medicinal compounds, or in the sense of being a specialist in “internal medicine” — he was always a surgeon;:(7) Given the re-definition of the term “physician” in Canada and The USA (see Physician#North_America) in such a general way that it refers to anyone holding a medical degree, the inappropriate bestowal upon Braid of such a categorization, places Braid, prochronistically into a category that did not exist in Braid's lifetime; and:(8) his entire enterprise in relation to his experimentation and investigations into hypnotism can only be understood in terms of the structured thinking of a surgeon — although, of course, in 1815, the surgeons at Edinburgh, the best surgeons in the world, in that age where there were no X-Rays, no stethoscopes, no anaesthetics, no penicillin, etc. were slowly and relentlessly working to change their role from that of the surgeon-apothecary to that of the highly specialized surgeon of today.In summary, any continuation of this outright, deliberate, non-veridical, and misleading misrepresentation of Braid’s true status will only contribute to the massive contemporary (in 2009) misunderstanding of this very important man and his valuable work.••• Lindsay658 (talk) 22:50, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) — Waste receptacle → Receptacle — * There is no disambiguation page for just the word receptacle. Changing the disambiguation title to receptacle would be more general than using the word under a specific term. I've tried to move the disambiguation page to the new title, but there was a article using the word. So I changed the name of the article to a specific title that had a better fit since there is more definitions related to the word receptacle.   Rent A Troop (talk) 18:50, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) — Interdict (Roman Catholic Church) → Interdict — This is the only article which could be referred to by the noun "Interdict." "Interdict" may also be employed as a verb to refer to other articles, but nouns normally take precedence for the same reason that article titles should be nouns and not verbs. The disambiguation page can be linked via a hatnote on this article. Surveying the incoming links to Interdict, the concept in Roman Catholicism is the most commonly intended meaning anyway. Neelix (talk) 15:45, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) — Harder ... Faster → Harder.....Faster — * Proposing this move due to the fact that both the album cover and the official website list the album in question as 'Harder.....Faster' as opposed to the Misplaced Pages article which lists it as Harder ... Faster. I would perform the move myself as there is no opposition to the move, however the five dot title is apparently title blacklisted.   Glandrid (talk) 00:17, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) — Base Oostende → Basketball Club Oostende — Base Oostende is just the sponsor name, the club's official name is, as the article and the website state, Basketball Club Oostende or short BC Oostende. The sponsor's name is only used in the article's name if it is part of the club's name, for example Telekom Baskets Bonn or Brose Baskets, but that's not the case here. The same applies to Euphony Bree (officially Bree BBC), while Union Mons-Hainaut seems to have officially adopted the name Dexia Mons-Hainaut (not 100% sure, though). Anyway, I don't see a reason why sponsor names which aren't part of the club's official names should be part of the articles' names of Belgian clubs, while we consequently use official names in all other cases (for example, Victoria Libertas Pesaro's sponsor name Scavolini Pesaro hasn't changed since 1975, and the club is much better known by its sponsor name, but we correctly use the official name nevertheless). --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 11:09, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) — Louis de Saint-Just → Louis Antoine Saint-Just — Saint-Just was named "Louis Antoine" and was throughout his life known as "Antoine" (first to differentiate himself from his father "Louis" and then when the name "Louis" became very unpopular), so it makes no sense for his wiki page to refer to him by a name he did not use. Furthermore, he did not use the "de" in his name during his most recognisable period - the Revolution - and it makes no more sense to refer to him as "de Saint-Just" as it would to refer to "de Robespierre" or "d'Anton" --216.165.61.231 (talk) 02:17, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) — Jin Yong → Louis Cha — "Jin Yong" is Cha's pen name and not his "official" name. To Chinese-speaking communities, he is better known as Jin Yong, but to Westerners, he is better known as "Louis Cha" instead. Anyway, this is English Misplaced Pages, so I think it might be better if he's addressed as "Louis Cha". If I did not remember wrongly, Cha mentioned in an interview or something that he prefers to be addressed as "Mr. Louis Cha" instead of "Mr. Jin Yong" or whatever. I can't remember where I read that from. Anyone would like to help me find the source for that claim? --_LDS (talk) 08:28, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) — Cafres → Cafre — * Uh yeah partly for that reason I think this should actually get moved to Cafre since that's what it's actually about; that's the word people use there for what's described in the article for the most part. Like it says on , A la Réunion, contrairement à d'autres pays ou régions du sud-ouest de l'océan Indien, le terme y est d'un emploi courant. Il désigne "tout individu dont le phénotype renvoie plus ou moins aux origines africaines ou/et malgaches", comme le décrit le sociologue Paul Mayoka dans son essai intitulé L'image du cafre.*: Moringue should maybe be moved to Culture of the Indian Ocean Islands- why that's a single article anyway rather than several separate ones I don't know - as well as some info on it being at Réunion. Munci (talk) 14:18, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
  1. Haynes, Jeffrey ((30 Jun 2008)). "19". Routledge handbook of religion and politics (1 edition ed.). Routledge;. p. 316. ISBN 0415414555. Retrieved 17th December 2009. {{cite book}}: |edition= has extra text (help); Check date values in: |accessdate= and |date= (help)CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link)
  2. Singh, Nirmal (2008). "10". Searches In Sikhism: thought, understanding, observance. New Dehli: Hemkunt Publishers. pp. 184 onwards. ISBN 9788170103677. OCLC 320246878. Retrieved 17th December 2009. {{cite book}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)
  3. Kapoor, Sukhbir Singh (2008). "Introduction". The Making of the Sikh Rehatnamas. New Delhi, India: Hemkunt Publishers. p. 9. ISBN 9788170103707. Retrieved 17th December 2009. {{cite book}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
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