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The hows-and-whys of this talk page

Because this is my own user talk page, I have certain rules and standards as to how I like to maintain it.

(1) Comments made by me are non-italicized

(2) Comments made by others are italicized

(3) If there is a Misplaced Pages issue I am currently involved in, I prefer to keep tabs on the situation by including information surrounding the issue as content on this page for future and present reference (as necessary). This may mean the inclusion of Misplaced Pages exchanges between others involved in the issue at hand. After the issue is resolved, I will archive the information.

(4) IT IS NOT THE RIGHT OF ANOTHER WIKIPEDIAN TO TAKE IT UPON THEMSELVES TO REMOVE CONTENT FROM, OR CHANGE CONTENT ON, MY TALK PAGE (not to mention it's against Misplaced Pages policy). If you have a problem with something I have placed on my talk page regarding the issue I (or we) may be involved in, please assume good faith first and then discuss the matter with me before jumping to conclusions and making erroneous and/or bad faith assumptions.

(5) While I may remove content placed on this page that originates from exchanges elsewhere, I will never edit what someone what written in order to change the tone of what was written or to make someone look bad. Again, if you have an issue with what I have included here (or have not included), please assume good faith first and then discuss the matter with me before jumping to conclusions and making erroneous and/or bad faith assumptions.

(6) It is my intent to keep my talk page organized, orderly and in compliance with Misplaced Pages standards regarding user talk pages. This means that I reserve the right to include what I choose - so long as it complies with Misplaced Pages standards - and will, in the same vein, remove what I choose.

(7) Anything added to this talk page by another editor that is not in regard to an article being edited or is outside the guildelines for user talk pages will be seen as disruptive editing and the appropriate steps will be taken within Misplaced Pages guidelines - including issuing warnings as appropriate and in line with Misplaced Pages standards.

(8) Last, but not least, don't even think of vandalizing this page. Any vandalism will be reverted immediately and get you reported to the Vandalism Crew. Additionally, doing so will jeopardize your Misplaced Pages account and may get you banned from posting - so don't even try, okay?

Thanks for your understanding - may your Misplaced Pages edits be correct, well-referenced and relevant and may you have a great Misplaced Pages day!

Barnstar

		The Photographer's Barnstar
		For Concrete, Washington. - Omarcheeseboro (talk) 18:09, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Wow - a Photographer's Barnstar! (what's a "Photographer's Barnstar"? ;-) Just kidding - thanks, Omar! SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 18:19, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks.. I checked out the page after seeing the film of the Tobias Wolff book This Boy's Life. I guess I drove right by there too, since I went from Seattle through the N Cascades last year (via Marblemount). I'm glad to see you like the style of my userpage too :) Anyway, great photos! --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 12:04, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Userboxes

As a double finally, in answer to your question on my talk page, I didn't create the user boxes in my sandbox, rather, I put those there as reference in case I later decided to use them, and so I could reference their text should I decide to make a new user box.

The best way to make your own user box is to find one you like and edit it. This is what I did to make the KGO and Mac boxes on my page.

Regarding images, they're uploaded to Misplaced Pages and referenced via the Image tag. If you go to the Mac box, for example, and edit the page, you'll see how the image is included within the user box. There's also a helpful article on how to make user boxes at WP:UB. -FeralDruid (talk) 05:41, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. If I have any more questions, can I impose upon you again? SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 15:14, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Mantle décor

		The Press Barnstar
		SkagitRiverQueen – for diligently correcting press accounts, not to mention Misplaced Pages's "biography of a living person" for Glenn Beck, with concern to the place of Mr. Beck's birth, which WP edit was mentioned (link's here!) by Julie Muhlstein of The (Everett, Washington) Herald on October second, two thousand nine (and for splendid editing all around on the article otherwise, too!) — Justmeherenow 14:52, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, JustMeHereNow for The Press Barnstar. Personally, I've found editing the GB article somewhat amusing in light of all the discussion - as well as frustrating in light of some of the arguing (and comments by a couple of the editors ;-) You, however, I have found to be a calm in the storm; a lonely beacon of restraint in a squall of self-appointed wordsmiths! You, sir, are a gentleman and stellar Wikipedian! I am honored, and frankly, you made my day! SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 15:11, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

As you did mine, SkagitRiverQueen, with your graciousness. ;^) Thanks! ↜Just M E here , now 15:34, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Glenn Beck

Appreciate your edits Kelly, but perhaps you could read through this talk section and this talk section and comment on your changes. We went through several days gaining some consensus on the section you're rewriting. Not to say that your changes will not be accepted, but they should probably be discussed as a bit of discussion went into the current writing. This was the reason ObserverNY reverted your change earlier. Morphh 19:29, 03 October 2009 (UTC)

Actually, Morph - I did insert something in the talk section of the Glenn Beck article regarding the verbiage used in the Live Events section of the article. No one replied and that's why I made the change myself. However, those who are not enveloped in what I see as an obsession over this article and the seemingly endless hair-splitting that's occurring (that's just an objective, personal view - not meant to be a negative criticism), and would edit the article when noting irregularities and errors, shouldn't be expected to read the talk page. ESPECIALLY considering the overwhelming length and width, and bredth of it at this point (IMO). It's also my unsolicited opinion that you guys are not seeing the trees for the forest and are taking the whole thing a little too seriously. For what it's worth.  ;-)

SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 19:38, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Random comment

Gotta say, I'm impressed by your userboxes -- there are a few in there I wouldn't have expected to see on the same page. :-) --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 04:49, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks and I get that a lot. ;-) SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 04:50, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Bickering

No, I have been jerky. I also added info that was sourced but the inline citation was in the wrong place. I don't recall ever adding unsourced info on a BLP since it is a guideline that cannot be dismissed. Most important, I have admitted to my mistakes and tried to correct them. I don't even mind apologizing to another editor when it is due. Your last comment at the Glenn Beck talk page pretty much summarizes the difference. If you want to continue to bicker about it we should do it on the talk page. Cptnono (talk) 00:54, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Message

Messaged the user regarding his harassment. I've also reported the incident to be reviewed by other editors. Happy editing! Netalarmtalk 06:17, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

PS: You might want to archive your talk page. Netalarmtalk 06:17, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 06:19, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

WQA

I dont like Eusebus (or whatever his name is) and how he treated you or how he closed out the discussion. If you think it needs further looking into, or would like Equazcion or myself to mediate there with you and whatever other party you would like, I will reopen it. In fact I'd love to reopen it just because of Eusebus' rudeness on my talk page after I asked him on his talk page to apologize to you for his dismissive attitude. Your call, but I think, whether you were really wronged per Misplaced Pages policy or not, you feel hurt and aggrieved, and I will help you get closure (especially if it means pissing off Eusebus).Camelbinky (talk) 04:03, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Just wanted to take some time and make sure everything is ok, even though Misplaced Pages is not a social networking site, we should always make time to make sure our fellow editors are not stressed out. Hope all is well.Camelbinky (talk) 04:28, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

I was going to message you to thank you for taking a stand with Eusebeus. Thanks for coming to me and expressing your thoughts regarding this chain of events. Yes, I feel wronged. All the way from the admins at the AN/I board today (about which Bwilkins later stated to SarekofVulcan on Sarek's talk page that they should all be ashamed of themselves, BTW) to the treatment I received over this civility issue. I just don't get why admins think they can behave this way and get away with it (maybe because they've been allowed to get away with it?). Anyway...yes, I would like some mediation/arbitration, whatever - in good faith I went and asked for someone to look into the civility issue (at the advice of Bwilkins, an admin) because I would like for the issue(s) JoyDiamond has with me to stop. I don't see her stopping, and someone obviously has to make it stop - one way or another. Thanks for being the adult here - I was starting to think that no one around here is anymore. ;-) SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 04:13, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: Spencer

Ah...gotcha. I didn't even bother to check the user's history, I just figured they were new and thought the talk page was there for complaints. I didn't mean to get snippy with you, I just get rather irritated by those "delete this because I don't like it" type of comments. Pinkadelica 04:17, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

WP:WQA

Someone called User:Regisfugit has opened a Wikiquette Alert regarding you. Crafty (talk) 04:33, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

ANI notice

Hello, SkagitRiverQueen. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. GiantSnowman 11:37, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Beverley Jean Morrow

I have removed the entry for Beverley Jean Morrow in the article Mount Vernon, Washington. Misplaced Pages has no article on her, and the entry doesn't even say on what grounds she was considered for the peace prize (those grounds, not the mere fact she was being considered, is what the entry should have stated).

In lists of notable people from such and such place, we expect every entry to have an article, and when an article about someone on such a list is deleted, we expect the entry to be removed as well. -- Blanchardb -- timed 15:55, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Okay - makes sense to me. But...I have to ask: who is "we"? SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 18:35, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletions

Just a note: Other editors are allowed to remove speedy delete tags, as long as they aren't the article creator. If someone removes a speedy delete tag it's best to then nominate the article for AfD (regular deletion discussion). Speedy deletion is only for the most obvious and uncontroversial cases, so if there's disagreement over whether or not a page should be deleted, it generally needs to be discussed at AfD. ANI is not the place to go.

WP:POLITICIAN states: "Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage. Generally speaking, mayors are likely to meet this criterion, as are members of the main citywide government or council of a major metropolitan city."

I'm not taking sides myself, but from the above, there are at least reasonable grounds to argue against deletion, so it's not an obvious enough case as to warrant a speedy. I would take this to AfD if I were you. If you'd like to do that and need help, let me know. Equazcion (talk) 21:22, 25 Nov 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips, Equazcion. Obviously, I didn't completely understand the process prior to nominating the artcile for speedy deletion. I would, however, like to stick with what Camelbinky proposed first and see how that plays out. If that proposal doesn't work out, I would like to see the issue of possible deletion brought to AfD. I would rather see references from secondary sources brought to the article that would make the article's subject note-worthy enough to merit an article in Misplaced Pages. If that's possible, great. If not, the article should be nuked, IMO, rather than continue to take up space. Thanks for your interest and assitance.

If you celebrate, have a good Thanksgiving. --SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 21:37, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Washington

Thanks for your post. I wholeheartedly agree that Washington is one of the most beautiful places on earth. There are some pretty nice parts of the East, like the White Mountains in New Hampshire, but they don't compare. I've been to Israel, too, and that's another one of my favorites :). When I was in Washington I took a whale watching trip that specifically went to the places the Orcas like to go. They are amazing animals. I take it that you also like watching birds. I wish I knew more about birds than I do, given that Central Park and other parks in New York are major stops along the bird migration routes and we get some very interesting ones. And BTW, I think you were right about "incensed" and "posited." Take care, AFriedman (talk) 22:44, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy Monday! --AFriedman (talk) 18:04, 7 December 2009 (UTC) has extended an olive branch of peace.

Ted Bundy

Hi, I am trying hard to get everyone to focus more on improving the article than arguing or just revert warring. First, I saw the 3RR notice board comments so I went to EdJohnston's talk to clarify. I needed to know what was agreed upon about taking a week off from editing the Bundy article and if you were still able to contribute to the talk page. Ed said yes to the talk page so here I am. I answered and asked questions on the recent conversations going on there. I have a question for you under the title 'Judges comments' that I wwould appreciate you taking some time to answer if you would. I made three different comments there which shouldn't be hard to locate. Sorry but I am really trying hard to type more but my hands are really tired right now. If you have any questions about what I've said please don't hesitate. I am about to go off line for awhile but I will try to keep a look out for any comments. You can also ping me at my talk page if I miss something. Thanks, --CrohnieGal 16:06, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

SkagitRiverQueen, please don't continue the interpersonal dispute at WP:AN3 or on the article talk page. It is in everyone's interest to negotiate on actual changes in a calm manner, instead of commenting on each others' attitude. The 3RR report was filed, it was dealt with, it is over. No blocks were issued. You are not the only one who chose to make reverts instead of discussing. Even though you are limited to editing the Talk page, you can still try to set a good example for the others through your calmness and composure. If you find yourself lacking patience at the moment, consider taking a break and come back after a bit. EdJohnston (talk) 17:58, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

No problem, Ed. That's exactly why I didn't respond any further to Wilhartlivie - I felt he/she was really trying to just goad me into more of an argument, and I just don't see the point nor the necessity. Thanks for your input. --SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 19:47, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Queen

A) How long have you been a queen, dearie? ;-)
B) If it is not too personal, why are you so fascinated by Ted Bundy? Do you idolise him?
B. Fairbairn (talk) 02:28, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

(the response below was left on B.Fairbairn's talk page)

The comments you recently left on my talk page were uncivil and are considered a form of personal attack in Misplaced Pages. Please do not leave anything like this on my talk page again. This notice is only a minor warning - if this continues, I will be forced to report said behavior to a Misplaced Pages administrative group. Many of us who have been editing for a while in Misplaced Pages do take the encyclopedia's editing and behavior policies seriously. Editors who continue to edit in a rude or abusive manner will continue to receive stronger warnings over time. I hope it won't come to that, but ongoing or extreme violations of these policies can be prevented or enforced by Misplaced Pages administrators by blocking accounts from editing for short periods of time. Serious ongoing incidents can lead to permanent blocks in editing Misplaced Pages. It is in your best interest as an editor, and in the best interest of the encyclopedia, that you don't revisit this type destructive and non-productive behavior here again.

I hope that the explanation above was clear to you. If not, I'd be happy to explain further. The Misplaced Pages community expects that everyone who is participating will respect each other and cooperate in a collaborative manner. I hope that you understand how important civil discussion is for the community to thrive. I expect that you will try and discuss things in a more constructive manner in the future.

Thanks, --SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 03:01, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Okay, okay - I withdraw these questions.

I wonder why it is though that you are stalking me. It is highly inappropriate. I will report you if you keep it up.

First you kept reverting Ted Bundy, and then George Bush Junior and Ann Rule.

Just get off my back and stop interfering with me.

B. Fairbairn (talk) 03:07, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry you feel I am "stalking" you - nothing could be further from the truth. The fact is that all three of the articles you mentioned are on my watchlist - which means I see edits of certain articles when they happen. I currently have over a couple-hundred articles on my watchlist. I suppose it's possible that with that many on my list, you and I will run into one another again (kinda like when you recently edited the Jimmy Swaggart article). But please understand, I'm neither "on back" nor am I attempting to "interfere" with you. When I edit, I edit for the good of the encylopedia. Nothing more. --SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 03:18, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Apology accepted. I over-reacted. Have a nice day. B. Fairbairn (talk) 03:30, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

User talk:SkagitRiverQueen/Archive 1

I'm concerned that this archive page could be considered a violation of Misplaced Pages:Userpage. Rather than being a mere archive of old discussions from your talk page, it rather seems to be a collection of other users' statements that you view negatively, taken from several sources.

I'd like to point out Misplaced Pages:Userpage#What may I not have on my user page?, which states:

• 10. "Material that can be viewed as attacking other editors, including the recording of perceived flaws. The compilation of factual evidence (diffs) in user subpages, for purposes such as preparing for a dispute resolution process, is permitted provided the dispute resolution process is started in a timely manner. Users should not maintain in public view negative information on others without very good reason."

Please address this issue soon. If you don't, someone will likely nominate the page for deletion, and will probably be successful. Thanks. Equazcion 13:05, 22 Dec 2009 (UTC)

I don't understand why you are targeting me specifically on this matter. From what I have read and understand, Misplaced Pages recommends that talk pages be archived, not deleted. Other editors keep everything from years ago - good, bad, and everything else. The quote you included was regarding user pages, not talk pages. Currently, I have kept nice stuff on my active talk page, and archived the not so nice stuff. I used to delete stuff from my talk page (there was never really that much to keep), but since the JoyDiamond and Karel incidents, I realized it would be a good idea to keep everything. Other stuff I have included is there to tell the entire story - especially when there has been conflict - if, indeed, the entire story needs to be told. This is especially true in the case of JoyDiamond and the Karel article. When the article opens back up in February, I expect things will once again be status quo with Joy (and that's not a good status quo based on what my past experiences with her have been like). Personally, I have a hard time believing that any administrators will decide to have my archive page completely deleted - especially since Misplaced Pages states "Archive—do not delete: When a talk page has become too large or a particular subject is not discussed any more, do not delete the content—archive it."

--SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 16:54, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

If this were a simple archive then it wouldn't be a problem. The page seems to be arranged as a record of events, and contains comments that were posted on other pages, your thoughts on them, warnings issued to other users, and most importantly, titles referring to other editors as "whiners". I'm not targeting you. I'm just pointing out a problem that I think you will probably need to deal with. Equazcion 17:09, 22 Dec 2009 (UTC)

Fine, I'll get rid of the "whiner" comment(s), but the rest of it is staying as is for now. --SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 17:11, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Everything under the title of "The Karel and JoyDiamond Chronicles" is a problem, though, for the reasons I stated above. WP:UP states that maintaining a record like this long-term of other users' perceived misdeeds isn't acceptable for userspace pages. You'll need to do something about that. I was going to leave this as friendly advice, but your stonewalling response telling me it's "staying as it is" is tempting me to nominate it myself. I've defended you on several occasions in the past, and would have expected better than this adversarial stance. The page in its current state violates policy, and I would've thought you'd appreciate being informed of that by someone who doesn't have an established beef with you. Equazcion 17:25, 22 Dec 2009 (UTC)

It's an ARCHIVE, for heaven's sake. When someone doesn't want stuff on their talk page anymore, it's archived - how else am I supposed to keep it? The policy you keep quoting is in regard to userpages, not talk pages and talk page archives. Until the JoyDiamond issue is completely resolved in my estimation (and we will see after the Karel article is unlocked whether or not it is actually resolved), I'm keeping everything surrounding all of it AS IS. I appreciate your opinion(s) and assistance - but in this case, I simply don't agree and feel you are overstepping a boundry and butting in to something that really isn't any of your concern. --SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 17:31, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

The problem is that it's not an archive. Just because the page is named that way doesn't make it a simple archive no matter what you put into it. Sorry to have to do this, but I've nominated the page for deletion. Hopefully other people will be more successful in explaining to you what the problem is. See Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/User talk:SkagitRiverQueen/Archive 1, where you're welcome to comment. Equazcion 17:49, 22 Dec 2009 (UTC)

Archives

Talk page entries that took up waaaaay too much space have been archived here and here here.

Route description on WA 20

Please read WP:USRD/STDS; a substantial route description is expected in a road article. See California State Route 78 for an example. I do agree that some of the details were unnecessary, and the formatting was a bit off, but it should have been revised, not blindly reverted. --Rschen7754 (T C) 06:37, 24 December 2009 (UTC)