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Another off forum page, this time a "forum that was dedicated to tightening up BLP practices". which Casliber asked the arbitration committee to investigate in October. To my knowledge no formal statement by the arbitration committee has been issued.

Be it known that Ikip has signed the Petition against Ignore All Rules abuse.

Category:All unreferenced BLPs

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Awards and articles I created.
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I have pressed the "Save page" button, over 45,907 times, making me editor number 320 for number of edits.

I now have 20+ barnstars, but like a good monkey, I had to press the little button 2,869 times before I got my first prize.  :(

The BLP Barnstar
I hereby award you this shiny barnstar for your efforts to alert Wikiprojects about how to locate BLPs for their projects and invite their participation in the discussion that would affect potentially all projects with a mass deletion (50,000 by most estimates) of "unsourced" BLPs. Your notice was such a good idea and sharing those links will help push some of those most familiar with the topics to help the articles at risk. Keep up the great work! -- Banjeboi 12:43, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
What a Brilliant Idea Barnstar
To the artist formerly known as Ikip, for coming up with Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons/Contest as a productive means to tackling the backlog of unreferenced BLPs. Let's focus our energy and get this puppy off the ground J04n(talk page) 03:00, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
For perpetually defending Misplaced Pages's intended and most valuable purpose: catalogging human knowledge. I hope you had a nice Valentine's Day! Sincerely, A Nobody 00:29, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Defender of the Noble Spirt of Misplaced Pages
For your noble and unbreakable spirit of inclusion, mentorship and fraternity towards your fellow editors and the Wikipedian community. --Grancafé (talk) 02:01, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Barnstar of the Lamp For The Huddled Masses
For your pure intentioned dedication to speaking for those who do not speak, the wretched refuse of the teeming shores of the internet, providing a lamp of illumination. ----Milowent (talk) 03:20, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
For all your work in these difficult days: notifying Wikiprojects, discussing on the RfC's, exposing rogue editors/admins behaviour and also for this exceptional comment, which definitely proves what is the real problem of Misplaced Pages these days. We need more brilliant editors like you! Cyclopia 13:08, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
The Guidance Barnstar
Hi Okip, this barnstar is for your tireless efforts in helping, orienting and encouraging newcomers and novice editors, like me. Thanks, --Grancafé (talk) 15:35, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Grand Coffee Vizir Barnstar
For your generousous hard work, courage and distinguished dedication to the noble cause of coffee, you are conferred this Grand Coffee Vizir award of high distinction and accomplishment. Congratulations! --Grancafé (talk) 18:23, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
The Barnstar of European Merit

I can not thank you enough for the work you put into Albania-Serbia relations, there is no doubt in my mind that you have earned this barnstar. -Marcusmax(speak) 01:55, 16 April 2009 (UTC) this WikiAward was given to Ikip by Marcusmax(speak) on 01:55, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar may be awarded to those that show a pattern of going the extra mile to be nice, without being asked

Even though I almost always seem to disagree with you, I admire all the hard work you put in to whatever controversy seems to be engulfing Misplaced Pages this week! HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 17:25, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
Awarded 20 January 2007 to Travb for his valiant defense of  
the Misplaced Pages mission to produce a neutral encyclopedia. Athaenara
The Article Rescue Barnstar
For your tireless effort to save notable articles at AfD. Honestly, your commitment to fighting unnecessary deletions is extraordinary! SMSpivey (talk) 02:27, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
This user is a Wikidraco scholasticus. You deserve this Wikidraco scholasticus award for taking on current AfD policy at Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_deletion#Deletion_wars:_I_propose_a_novel_solution - and for having the patience to plough through AfD looking for articles worth saving. --Philcha (talk) 13:09, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
The Philippine Barnstar
... for your advice and assistance in the development of a Philippine-related article. -- Sultan-Commander (talk) 10:51, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
I award you this barnstar for your continued and tireless efforts to keep Misplaced Pages a welcome place for all editors... from your graciousness and guidence to newcomers who might feel "put off" when their own initial efforts end up at AfD... to your efforts to maintain the integrity of the project and its articles. The job is never-ending, and yet you continue... even when your efforts are sometimes considered as overzealous. Keep up the good fight, but with patience... as Don Quixote is not the only one to find honor in tilting at windmills. Schmidt, 20:46, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
A Lucky Penny
In the spirit of funding that is sweeping the country this penny is offered to Editor:Ikip for his incredible WikiWorld endeavors:----Buster7 (talk) 23:43, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
The Working Man's Barnstar
For all your hard work keeping an eye on Misplaced Pages talk:Notability (fiction)#Final adoption as a guideline and following up with the people who have commented there. Politizer /contribs 02:17, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages Motivation Award Misplaced Pages Motivation Award
have noticed the announcements at several pages and applaud your courtesy in sharing the news that such a discussion is going on, as thousands of affected editors would otherwise have no idea that the fates of so many articles was being determined or where to even look for such a discussion. Well done. I am surprised that others have not themselves been as proactive in seeking a wider consensus for such an important and far-reaching proposal. This thing could impact nearly three quarters of a million articles. Good job!!! Wow. Schmidt, 18:09, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Articles I have created
Using: http://toolserver.org/~sql/created.php Tool. Tool does not count templates.
  1. A_New_Life_(The_Outer_Limits)
  2. A_Test_of_the_News
  3. Template:AbUS --archive box for American terrorism page.
  4. Abdellatif_Laabi
  5. After_the_Empire:_The_Breakdown_of_the_American_Order
  6. American_civil_religion
  7. American_Expeditionary_Force_Siberia
  8. Army_Foreign_Intelligence_Assistance_Program
  9. Association_of_Inclusionist_Wikipedians
  10. Axis_of_Evil_(film)
  11. Balloon_effect
  12. Bell_Trade_Act
  13. Benevolent Assimilation
  14. Benevolent_Assimilation_(book)
  15. The Book of All Flesh as RWV.
  16. Calder v. Bull as RWV. Boring law school case.
  17. Case-Church_Amendment
  18. Charles_Henry_Dietrich
  19. CIA_and_Contras_cocaine_trafficking_in_the_US
  20. Clark_Amendment
  21. Commission_on_Industrial_Relations
  22. Commonwealth_v._Pullis
  23. Control_(2004_film)
  24. Costa_Rican_Civil_War
  25. DeLima v. Bidwell
  26. Democracy_in_Marxism
  27. Domestic_analogy
  28. Dreamland_(2007_film)
  29. Drew_Griffin CNN reporter
  30. Duck_Hook Nixon threat, called for the possibly-nuclear bombing of military and economic targets in and around Hanoi, the mining of Haiphong and other ports
  31. Edward_Atkinson
  32. Enemy_Nations
  33. Estate_of_Rodriquez_v._Drummond_Co.
  34. Fablehaven children's books.
  35. Firefight_at_Yechon:_Courage_and_Racism_in_the_Korean_War
  36. G._Robert_Blakey
  37. Green_report
  38. Guenter_Lewy
  39. Heroism Research Group
  40. Hitler's_Willing_Executioners
  41. Hughes-Ryan_Act
  42. Human_rights_in_Colombia
  43. Identical_Strangers...twins were given up by their mentally ill mother and separated as infants...met for the first time in 2004 at the age of 35.
  44. Intelligence_Oversight_Act
  45. International_Journal_of_Political_Economy, socialist perspective acedemic economic journal.
  46. Is the Holocaust Unique?
  47. Jacob_H._Smith
  48. Joseph_Lafayette_Rawlins
  49. Julian_Codman
  50. Kerry_Committee_report
  51. Kill_the_Messenger
  52. Kill_the_Messenger_(film)
  53. Klaus_Mehnert
  54. La_Violencia
  55. Leahy_Law
  56. Little_Eichmanns
  57. Lodge_Committee
  58. Looking_for_Love_(film) a 1964 romantic musical-comedy movie
  59. Michel_Garder
  60. My_Country,_My_Country
  61. Onyx_Project
  62. Operation_WASHTUB
  63. Operation_Whitecoat
  64. PCCC
  65. Plan_Cobra
  66. Power_Play_(1978_film)
  67. Picard v. Barry Pontiac-Buick, Inc. 1995 Rhode Island Supreme Court case often cited in tort law text books to explain the legal concept of battery.
  68. Predictions_of_Soviet_collapse
  69. Problems_of_Communism_(journal)
  70. Psychological_Operations_in_Guerrilla_Warfare
  71. San_Francisco_Call
  72. Senate_Document
  73. Simon_Sisters
  74. Sixto_Lopez
  75. Talk:American terrorism/Past disagreements
  76. Template:AmericanEmpire
  77. Template:Colombia conflict
  78. Template:Soatitles
  79. Template:Stay focused as RWV. This talk page is not a web blog.
  80. Template:U.S. Congressional opposition to war
  81. The_Saint_Patrick's_Day_Four
  82. Sturges_v._Crowninshield as RWV, dealt with the constitutionality of New York creating bankruptcy laws and retroactively applying those laws.
  83. Theodore_Schroeder
  84. They_Came_Back
  85. Thomas_MacDonald_Patterson
  86. Thousand_Days_War
  87. Timeline_of_labor_issues_and_events
  88. Timeline_of_Philippine-American_War
  89. Tom_Engelhardt the creator of the Nation Institute's tomdispatch.com, a liberal web blog.
  90. Total_Denial a 2006 documentary film about fifteen Burmese villagers going up against oil giants UNOCAL and TOTAL as they build the Yadana Pipeline.
  91. Trade_unions_in_the_United_Kingdom
  92. TV-6_(Russia)
  93. TVS_(Russia)
  94. U.S._Army_and_CIA_interrogation_manuals
  95. Union of Banana Exporting Countries as RWV. Attempt to create OPEC like cartel for bananas.
  96. United_States_Senate_Committee_on_the_Philippines
  97. United_States_v._Stanley the United States Supreme Court found that a serviceman could not file a tort action against the federal government, even though the government secretly administered doses of LSD to the serviceman as part of an experimental program, because his injuries were found by the lower court to be service-related.
  98. War_Feels_Like_War
  99. War_referendum a type of referendum in which citizens decide whether a nation should go to war.
  100. William_Lindsay_Scruggs (1836 - 1912) a scholar of South American foreign policy and U.S. ambassador to Colombia and Venezuela.
  101. The Wrecking Crew: How Conservatives Rule
...and here's an honorary enigma rotor for ferreting out a good solution. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:47, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks Travb! I now give you a WikiCookie from the Misplaced Pages cookie jar! for your initiative to develop and create a new very useful template for a Colombia related article! great job! User:F3rn4nd0 06:47, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
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The Original Barnstar
For keeping both your integrity and a cool head in the most trying of circumstances. Ireneshusband 05:19, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Updated DYK query On 27 February, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ludlow Amendment, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.
The Guidance Barnstar
Ikip, you have helped me in many ways over the past few weeks, thank you once again for your assistance. Marcusmax(speak) 23:00, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
Awarded to Ikip for volunteering to cleanse the Augean stables. —S Marshall /Cont 21:17, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
What a Brilliant Idea Barnstar
For your elegant and clear solution to some vexing situations I hereby award you this shiny barnstar you can play catch with or trade for superpowers or even put on a display shelf for all to behold and admire. The Article Rescue Squadron is a band of troupers who work in stressful environments to save content worth keeping and your help is very much appreciated. -- Banjeboi 11:52, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
What a Brilliant Idea Barnstar
This is an excellent idea for Foreign relations of Argentina by country to deal with the minor bilateral relationships, just 1 suggestion for improvement can we sort by continent/region? LibStar (talk) 09:19, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
Thank you very much for your successful efforts in strengthening the content and character of Misplaced Pages. Your work is greatly appreciated. Ecoleetage (talk) 19:15, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
I hearby award this barnstar to Ikip due to his heroic campaigning for the noble cause of including valuable and interesting articles in the peoples encyclopaedia. FeydHuxtable (talk) 16:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
Thankyou for being so nice to me! ScythreContribs 15:52, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
What a Brilliant Idea Barnstar
I hereby award this Barnstar to Ikip for his excellent idea to reduce conflict by pre-empting potentially heated AfD debates with a suggestion that articles be userfied, so new users can still work to improve their work, while deletionists are happy as problem articles are removed from mainspace. Everyone's a winner! FeydHuxtable (talk) 10:42, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

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The Original Barnstar
For cutting process, getting crap out of mainspace and helping newbies not to feel bitten all at the same time, a singular achievement. Guy (Help!) 20:42, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
This user played a significant role in helping Eddie Kilroy graduate from incubation.
This user played a significant role in helping Downtown Emergency Service Center graduate from incubation.

"Disagreeable and closed to new ideas - that's the picture that emerges of contributors to...Misplaced Pages from a survey of their psychological attributes." Aldhous, Peter (January 03, 2009). "Psychologist finds Wikipedians grumpy and closed-minded". NewScientist. Retrieved 2009-05-08. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help) Source: "Personality Characteristics of Misplaced Pages Members" CyberPsychology & Behavior (DOI: 10.1089/cpb.2007.0225)

This project does not exist to help editors grow a thicker skin. Our mission is to build an encyclopedia, not establish limits for low-level abuse that we think our volunteer editors should be willing to suffer. If we drive away more people than we attract, then it's a genuine loss to the project and we should fix it rather than label those who would prefer to work in a civil environment as "thin skinned." -- User:Cool Hand Luke

The problem is that our enforcement of civility and NPA has historically been quite selective. If you're unpopular or unpowerful and criticizing somebody popular or powerful, you are likely to be blocked. The other way around, not so much. We ought to come up with objective standards and stick to them. -- User:Jehochman

A reliable measure of prejudice is how many mistakes a person gets forgiven. --Durova

Misplaced Pages:Bureaucrats'_noticeboard/RfA_Report

...as an approximate guide, you are likely to pass if you achieve at least 75% support. Nominations which receive less than 70% support are unlikely to be successful, except in exceptional circumstances.

Requests for adminship and bureaucratship update
No current discussions. Recent RfAs, recent RfBs: (successful, unsuccessful)

Best welcome template: User:AxG/WikiWelcome1

wikipediareview: History of wikipedia

Thank you!

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar may be awarded to those that show a pattern of going the extra mile to be nice, without being asked

Even though I almost always seem to disagree with you, I admire all the hard work you put in to whatever controversy seems to be engulfing Misplaced Pages this week! HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 17:25, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Bot to deliver newsletters

Do you need a bot to deliver the newsletters? I wrote a simple tool:

A screenshot. Smallman12q (talk) 22:58, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Smallman12q (talk) 22:58, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

I actually proposed it at botrequests(Misplaced Pages:Bots/Requests_for_approval#Redirectcreation_Bot...but nobody seemed to care. Originally, I was going to use it to make a ton of redirects...but I think itll serve as a newsletter delivery bot much better. I'll post it up on sourceforge tonight.Smallman12q (talk) 23:05, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
It's up at sourceforge. Please keep in mind that this is a beta...I'm not positive that all of the bugs have been ironed out...but you will still probably find it of great use. Cheers.Smallman12q (talk) 00:20, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
It currently doesn't handle edit conflicts...but I'll add that in when I get a chance...let me know if it works for you. (You'll need 7-zip to open the folder).Smallman12q (talk) 00:39, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your help at my talk page while I was either asleep or at work. Power.corrupts (talk) 12:23, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

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Keep up the good edits! andyzweb (talk) 14:55, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


List of deleted BLPs

I have made a list of those unreferenced BLP articles that got deleted a few days ago. User:Apoc2400/Deletion list. Feel free to use it or send it on to anyone who might have use for it. I have not really followed what happened on the issue since the RfC started, but it seems you have. --Apoc2400 (talk) 00:37, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Now with Google cache links that might work for a few more days at least. And yes, I do occasionally help out with articles tagged for rescue, so I am aware of the ARS. --Apoc2400 (talk) 00:58, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Wow! What an incredible idea! I never thought of that! Thank you. Check out Wikipedia_talk:Article_Incubator#I_suggested_this_on_the_BLP_RFC.2C_what_do_you_all_think.3F we need an editor like you to help! I will let the other editors know in Wikipedia_talk:Article_Incubator and WT:Article Rescue Squadron. Please notify us of all updates, there. See WT:Article Rescue Squadron someone already made a list of Scott MacDonald deletions. With categories included. Ikip 01:04, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

These are all quite highly notable. All have been undeleted.

--Apoc2400 (talk) 13:05, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Transcribed to WT:ARS for wider discussion. WT:ARS#List_of_all_articles_deleted_by_the_three_editors Thank you again Apoc. Please see the entry directly below this: Wikipedia_talk:Article_Rescue_Squadron#Graph_showing_what_was_deleted_and_what_was_restored If you would like to complete this list, we welcome the help. Ikip 16:59, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi

Hi Ikip, I was just thinking of dropping a note to say "how is it going?" and I got yours... I don't think I am going to participate in the BLP clean-up, mostly because I have set myself the job of doing BLPs of all Nigerian governors, senators and federal ministers. Don't ask why because I can't answer, but it is sort of addictive and there is a lot more to do. As a side effect, I have been cleaning up some unsourced BLPs, but only when I come across them by accident.

I would also need to think carefully about the arguments in WP:BLPRFC, and that discussion seems to be growing faster than I can read. My guess is that a lot of the unsourced BLPs are not worth keeping. They are just a random selection of 60,000 of the world's 6,800,000,000 living people. Some are vanity articles, a few are abusive. And some really are notable. If the people deleting them are doing it right, checking first for sources, maybe there is nothing wrong with the process. If there are available sources but none are cited, my inclination would be not to delete but to strip the article down to a stub and then either expand based on the sources or note the sources as external links and move on. Dunno - I would have to read the arguments. Aymatth2 (talk) 12:33, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

The point of contention is whether it is OK to delete without first checking for sources. Nobody in the current RFC is disputing that if you check for sources and find none then prodding for deletion is appropriate. ϢereSpielChequers 17:22, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Incubator

For what it's worth, having seen your latest comment on WP:AWNB, you won't get any argument from me in moving unreferenced articles to the incubator. I think it's a good idea as general policy, and if it keeps them away from morons like Scott MacDonald, then it's all the better. Rebecca (talk) 13:00, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Could I request that you hold fire before mass-moving articles to the incubator? There is still discussion ongoing and it would be better to let the dust settle and analyse the conclusions before starting anything on a large scale. Thanks — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 00:02, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Of course. I appreciate and respect your concerns. I stopped yesterday and will not resume until a wikiproject agrees fully. RE: "There is still discussion ongoing" where exactly? Ikip 00:04, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Comment by Ikip

Thanks for bringing up my case there. An editor asked me on my talk page on how to get involved, I had little advice, feel free to post a reply there if you have any better ideas. Power.corrupts (talk) 17:38, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

I will. See:

How you can help

Hi Robert KS (and any editor watching my page), Power.corrupts ask me to give you some advice.
You could contact all relevant wikiprojects with the following:
Hello {{BASEPAGENAME}}, Currently their is a discussion which will decide whether wikipedia will delete all 50,000 articles about a living person without references.
The two opposing positions which have the most support is:
  1. supports the deletion of unreferenced articles about a living person:Editor Jehochman's position
  2. opposes the deletion of unreferenced articles about a living person:Editor Collect's position
Comments are welcome. Keep in mind that by default, editor's comments are hidden. Simply press edit next to the section to add your comment.
Thank you all for your valuable contributions to Misplaced Pages. ~~
Let me know if you are interested, I can show you how to do this very quickly, sending a message to each wikiproject in a list in three or less clicks. Ikip 17:55, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

I've posted my endorsement of the Collect remark. I also read your remark but refrained from commenting as, while I agree with its substance, I also agree with the follow-up remarks which point out that an issue RfC should not focus on individual editors/admins and what actions they are likely to take pending or following the outcome of the RfC. Thanks much for your leadership on this issue. It's very important that material not be blindly wiped en masse from the encyclopedia. I don't see why unsourced BLPs shouldn't have the same prod or AfD process applied to them as any other article. Robert K S (talk) 21:26, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Ta!

Thanks for the heads-up about the RfC stuff. Looks like it isn't going anywhere, which is nice - another defeat for the toddler faction on these issues.

The irony is that I actually take a fairly hard stance on BLPs. One of the unintended consequences of this ridiculous mess of the last week is that people are now running around sourcing the most obvious facts in BLPs, but leaving the majority of the article - and anything that could actually potentially be made an issue of - unsourced. It's another thing that might have been prevented had people actually thought about this before peeing all over the place. Rebecca (talk) 01:09, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Always glad to help. Have I mentioned that I am happy to see you back? ;) Ikip 01:10, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Re: BLP

Thanks for the comment. I'm not concerned overmuch about the "bullies", & I've been around Misplaced Pages too long to let people push me around. That said, I am honestly disappointed with some of the communications: if those working OTRS have convincing evidence that requires us to treat biographical articles about living people differently from our other articles, they would help themselves if they found a way to share this evidence & not simply imply we should trust them. -- llywrch (talk) 04:22, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

thanks for your message, I agree so much with what you say, thank you. Ikip 04:26, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Your post on my talk page.

Thanks for the nice comment. And there I was thinking I was sabotagin my chance for a successful rfa in the forseeabel future. What do you think of this table I'm thinking of developing.--Peter cohen (talk) 14:12, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

BLP RFC

Thanks for dropping a note... The fact that one of my own articles was an unreferenced BLP is a good illustration: 1) I had completely forgotten about creating that article in the first place (no wonder, three years have passed), 2) talk page notice left by a bot got my attention, 3) in the end, I've added the sources and expanded the article slightly. This is what editing is supposed to be: a cooperative win-win resolution to the problem. I'm afraid that "cleanup at gunpoint" isn't going to help. GregorB (talk) 16:50, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Note

Please see Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Unapproved_bot. MBisanz 02:22, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Also --MASEM (t) 02:25, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Chess project

The chess project uses cleanup (WP:WikiProject Chess/Cleanup listing) but the unreferenced lists BLPs only. Can it list all unreferenced articles? Bubba73 , 02:27, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Muchas Gracias!

I noticed the fine improvements to the reference list. I am glad you did them because I have a phobia to this stuff since I had to study FORTRAN in college. I can't do it! Thus, Muchas Gracias, --Grancafé (talk) 02:57, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

PS. I am a slow learner, but once I overcome my fears, I can learn. My offer still stands. Whenever you are ready, I am ready. Best,--Grancafé (talk) 02:57, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the STAR!!! That was awesome! I wish I knew how to do al those cyber tricks. Regarding the 'offer', I thought I had offer you some samples of The Best Coffee in the world! If I did, I am glad. If I did not, I appologize. I will be MORE than happy to send you samples for you to degustate a very unique coffee. Thanks for all your help. Best regards, --Grancafé (talk) 03:14, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

PS. Why is it that Wanda has not responded to my posting? Also, how do you (I) know who is who (and waht they are) in this laberinth, with all this nicknames going on? It feels like this cyber-game that my son used to play years ago, Ever Quest or like Lord of the Rings, with all the goblins and creatures poping out from nowhere. Best, --Grancafé (talk) 03:14, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

PS2. What is a Barnstar? Whatever it is, thank you. I used to enyoy my yellow starns in Kindergarten. In appreciation for your effort, patience and commendable work, I bestowe upon you the Grancafe Bambuco award. Please let me know if you would like to receive the actual reaward. Kindest regards, --Grancafé (talk) 03:24, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Here is your first coffee barbstar


Civility Award
message Grancafé (talk) 03:41, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


That is awesome!

What about a "Coffee Connoisseur" barnstar for merit? Best, --Grancafé (talk) 03:48, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

{{subst:MeritAward|message Grancafé (talk) 03:40, 26 January 2010 (UTC)}} This one did not work. I told you, I am cyber illiterate and I have a phobia to it. Best, --Grancafé (talk) 03:48, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

I will explain on your talk page. Ikip 00:22, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

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Wikiproject notifications

Your notifications are being posted with a broken link and formatting for the WP:Incubation link. Additionally, there are no links or instructions for what you mean by "install Cleanup_listings". These errors need to be corrected for the notices to serve their helpful purpose. I would like to help implement this for a couple of Wikiprojects. Vassyana (talk) 07:16, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Involving other language projects

I've posted a message at the Danish project, asking for help. Would be extremely useful with a list of unref BLPs broken down per nationality of subject. Are you aware if such a list exists?. Thx. Power.corrupts (talk) 08:47, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

user:WolterBot has a maintenance report that projects can sign up to, this includes a list of unreferenced BLPs - but you also have to have put your project's template on the talkpages of those articles. So it might be worth checking categories such as Category:People from Copenhagen to make sure that the individuals have been marked for your project. ϢereSpielChequers 08:59, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Thx Spiel, Ikip already answered me at my talk page, and yes, I was thinking of the possibility that articles do not have the country template on the talk page, but checking that is a breathtaking and overwhelming job. Power.corrupts (talk) 10:06, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
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Thanks for the barnstar

And I was complaining about having none just the other day. Thanks again and for your improvements to the table.--Peter cohen (talk) 12:05, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

A shiny barnstar for you

The BLP Barnstar
I hereby award you this shiny barnstar for your efforts to alert Wikiprojects about how to locate BLPs for their projects and invite their participation in the discussion that would affect potentially all projects with a mass deletion (50,000 by most estimates) of "unsourced" BLPs. Your notice was such a good idea and sharing those links will help push some of those most familiar with the topics to help the articles at risk. Keep up the great work! -- Banjeboi 12:43, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Hello, i was wondering what you mean with "Sorry to see your articles up for deletion, I hope you stay :(" No article from me was deleted, or dicussed for deletion GBK2010 (talk) 12:45, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
For all your work in these difficult days: notifying Wikiprojects, discussing on the RfC's, exposing rogue editors/admins behaviour and also for this exceptional comment, which definitely proves what is the real problem of Misplaced Pages these days. We need more brilliant editors like you! Cyclopia 13:08, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

BLPs and Article Incubator

Hi, thanks for your message on my talk page and for all your good work, especially over the last few days. I'd like to help out a bit, but I should warn you I'm a very slow worker and a technodunce. I can find and add suitable inline citations for some of the unsourced BLPs which have apparently suddenly become an emergency overnight, but I don't want to commit to any specific targets or deadlines in case real life issues get in the way. I could aim to do at least one or two a day: it's not much, but every little helps. If we're sorting them into categories my preferences to work with would be musicians and Scottish people, but I'll have a go at Googling just about anything. If there's anything specific I can do that you think would help, please give me a shout. All the best, Contains Mild Peril (talk) 19:21, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Pamela Paulshock

Hi, thank you for the message about this article. I left a comment at the AFD page for it earlier today. Like I said there, I had a hard time finding the references for it (that weren't from fansites). I was just helping to cut down the number of unreferenced BLPs. If more references are found, particularly for her wrestling career, then I'll change my vote to keep (if that's allowed?) - JuneGloom07 Talk? 00:11, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

*chuckles*

I would like to direct you to one of my goals for 2010. See this edit, on my user page? . Would you please help me with the B item on my list? You have it two different ways on the RfC, and neither of them are correct. Just tickled my funny bone, that's all. SirFozzie (talk) 01:06, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Alex McTaggart

Hi there. Thanks for moving this article to the incubator. I have referenced it and think it's ready to go back to the mainspace. Cheers --Mkativerata (talk) 02:04, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

  • Thanks heaps for the barnstar. I've been trying to rescue some articles over the last few days but haven't had much time. But when I saw a guy I once voted for in the incubator, I just had to source it right away! --Mkativerata (talk) 02:41, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


Grand Coffee Vizir

Grand Coffee Vizir Barnstar
For your tremendous hard work, courage and noble dedication you are conferred this Grand Coffee Vizir award of High Distinction and Accomplishment. Congratulations! Grancafé (talk) 04:12, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


Ever Quest

I thought I had asked you yesterday that how can one determine who all these nicknames are? How can you tell who is an editor, administrator, gendarme, novice, SS, list of titles and positions, etc.? Is there an organization chart, town hall, city hall or court of appeals? How those all this ever quest operate and regulate? Is there a map for this labyrinth? Thanks, --Grancafé (talk) 04:30, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


Hi Ikip, Thank you very much for all your help, guidance and direction. You have become my "mentor" in this ever quest labyrinth. Thank you very much for all the links and advise. Best regards, Kindest regards, --Grancafé (talk) 23:38, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Reconstruction

Hi Ikip, since I have not hear back from Wanda, may I put these two paragraphs back in the article? What else can I do?


"In December of 1930, the Fourth National Congress of Coffee Growers convened in Bogotá. Due to the vast knowledge and experience acquired by Mariano Ospina Pérez in the coffee industry, as a result of running his own coffee business, he was summoned by the Minister of Industry Francisco J. Chaux and by President Rafael Olaya Herrera to preside over this Congress. Ospina Pérez was elected President of this Fourth Congress. At the adjournment of this Congress, Ospina Pérez was elected, by the unanimous vote of the delegates, as “Gerente de la Federación” (General Director). He served in this position for four years, until 1934.

In 1954, during the election of members of the Board of Directors (of the National Federation of Coffee Growers of Colombia), Mariano Ospina Pérez, who served as President of the Republic from 1946 to 1950, was elected and installed as President of the Board of Directors. His return to the Federation marked the reappearance of one of Colombia's greatest coffee names, in an active role, in the History of Colombia's coffee industry." 42. ^ El Café en la Ecrucijada, Evolución y Perspectivas, Diego Pizano, Editorial Alfaomega, Bogotá, August 2001, Page 31, ISBN 958-682-192-7


Thanks again, --Grancafé (talk) 04:45, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi Ikip, Thank you very much for all your help, guidance and direction. You have become my "mentor" in this ever quest labyrinth. Thank you very much for all the links and advise. Best regards, --Grancafé (talk) 15:51, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


Posted in User talk:Flowanda:
Dear Flowanda, please allow me further elaborate here. What I am trying to convey and stress with these two paragraphs is the fact that if the Government, the Federation and the coffee growers of Colombia trusted Mariano Ospina Pérez to run the affairs of the nation’s coffee industry, it was because of his experience, knowhow and successful achievements, proven in the handling of his Ospina coffee business. These two paragraphs are not my words. These are direct quotes from the sources and references. It is essential to explain that his unanimous election to these positions was due to his administrative and entrepreneurial successes in his private coffee business and personal affairs. Thanks for your consideration. Thanks for your consideration. Best, --Grancafé (talk) 00:37, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Collapse boxes

Could you please restore the collapse boxes? They seemed to make the page work much better and improved readability immensely. JoshuaZ (talk) 06:13, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. JoshuaZ (talk) 06:15, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

ArbCom noticeboard

Hi Ikip, I've removed your edit there as "This page is for discussion of formal announcements by the Committee, including clarification of the specifics of notices." Have you seen ? It has a short discussion of what appears to be a forum. If you want to ask ArbCom members a question with no drama, how about emailing their list? Dougweller (talk) 06:55, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Ian James (broadcaster)

heya, nope had never to do with that article, somehow you ve send the wrong person the message, greets gbk GBK2010 (talk) 13:46, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

BLP RfC and non-closure

Hi Ikip. I rewrote the tag, wanted to see what you thought. I used your suggested timeline, but I left in the part about asking for a reformat/sorting. I think there's some consensus to do so on the talk page, plus the page is simply becoming unparseable, and is in desperate need of someone to sort the thing by theme/suggestion type, rather than by author.

I'm not sure if you saw, since even the talk page is becoming tl;dr, but there was a proposal to make this 3 phases. Phase I would be the current form, II would be a sorted/organized by theme/topic discussion, and III would try to focus discussion on the most popular / likely to achieve consensus ideas. (All this as opposed to letting the current thing drag on for a month, and trying to get someone to read a consensus out of it). Any opinion on that sort of thing? -- Bfigura 17:00, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

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Your new project...

I saw your post on MQS's page about Misplaced Pages:Wikiproject new user welcome, but (in my opinion) the scope of the project is not related to the title of the project. I understand that you are looking for ways to preserve the articles in question, however the title looks like you are looking for ways to ensure the articles are sourced properly in the first place...My opinion is they are both worthy causes, just your nomenclature is confusing. Cheers (and good luck). --kelapstick (talk) 19:16, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it really needs a new name, because I think that the outcome from the project will be a proposal for how to change the way things are handled in the future. Most important is clearly stating what the desired outcome is on the project page, and stating that it will be used as an opinion on the BLP discussion. So maybe just some clarification on the project page is in order. Personally in the invitation I would have probably written the message as:
We are currently asking for concrete, constructive proposals on how to avoid the deletion of 48,000 articles created by 17,500 editors through sourcing.
These constructive proposals will then be considered by the community as a whole at Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people.
as
Currently there are 48,000 articles about living people, created by 17,500 editors that can be rescued through sourcing. Our goal is to help ensure new editors properly source their articles so this will not happen again.
Further, our proposals will be considered by the community as a whole at Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people as options for how to proceed with the above 48,000 articles.
Or something similar (I am not really good at explaining what I am really trying to say, but you get the idea), just to explain that you are looking for an immediate solution to an existing problem, and a future solution to a major problem within the Misplaced Pages community. Cheers. --kelapstick (talk) 19:36, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
The easiest way to tell me from Adam is how we dress. I typically wear a plaid shirt, Carhartt pants and black CSA approved class 1 steel toed shoes. Adam typically wore a fig leaf, and not much else. Now that we have that straightened out, I will try to contribute something to the project if I am able, however I am quite busy these days (outside of Misplaced Pages), so I might not have the time to contribute to anything that requires much more brain power than pressing the "revert vandalism" button. Either way, I appreciate the invitation and will try to help out where I can. Cheers. --kelapstick (talk) 21:00, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
I drafted a revised project page at User:Ikip/Wikipedia:Wikiproject new user welcome/Temp, you can use it, integrate it into the existing page or just request it's deletion if you don't like it, but I think it summarizes things fairly well.--kelapstick (talk) 21:25, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Re: Thank you

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Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 20:37, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


Phobia to Cyberspace

Hello Ikip, whenever you have a chance, I am going to solicit your help again. I think we could integrate references #s 20 and 30 into one. But I have no clue on how to do this, and believe me, I have tried. But my phobia to cyberspace is greater than my desire to do so. Thus, I need your expertise. Just like the barnstars, I can learn, but I need detailed instructions. Thanks, --Grancafé (talk) 00:09, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Sofixit.org

Although I disagree its relevance at the BLP RFC, I'm glad you are giving this matter more attention. Incidentally, your last quote is from me, although you attribute it to Casliber. MZMcBride was indeed the admin of that site, and he did his normal evasive shtick in response to straightforward questions.

I found it troubling that Casliber's concerned were brushed off and buried by MZMcBride, who then claimed that Casliber was guided by unclean motives and burnout. Cool Hand Luke 00:18, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

I have been trying to follow this discussion, CHL, and my lack of total understanding of the situation is likely the reason for the following question. I just wanted to know if there was any evidence, either public or private, that clearly proved that MZMcBride was sofixit.org's site admin. NW (Talk) 00:24, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Thank you so much cool hand luke. Sorry to mis-attribute, I am glad you were involved in this too. Can the arbcom on your private page decide something to say about this? They were asked to investigate this over three months ago.
Thanks for stopping by nuclearwarfare :) I am really confused too. Ikip 01:35, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
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