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RfC on changing the protection policy for schools

As you commented on YellowMonkey's statement on WP:AN I thought I should mention that the schools part of that is now an RfC. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 13:16, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I've watchlisted the page and will give the concept some thought. --RegentsPark (talk) 14:36, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you.

I just want to thank you for protecting the Sarah Jessica Parker article. It's very much appreciated. --CrohnieGal 12:53, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome! --RegentsPark (talk) 13:40, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your reply to Semi-protection Article. Can you tell me how I can protect my changes done to the article as any one can revert back to old version which is Spoiling the Sikh Identity & Violates the NPOV fundamentals of Misplaced Pages. --Dilpreet Singh Virdi (talk) 17:13, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for valuable words , Let me put my changes one by one. Moreover, this topic is controversial and in articles reference are misused , Talk from non-Sikh were preferred and moderator is Biased(Check the Discussion Page).--Dilpreet Singh Virdi (talk) 18:34, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

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Help stopping edit war

Hey, Regents, I'm hoping that you will take a look at Talk:Wizards_(film). I issued a 3O and cautioned both users about the edit war there on the point that I was asked to opine on. The war stopped on that point, but then continued on a related point. I warned them again and put warnings on both of their talk pages (Sugar Bear (talk · contribs) subsequently deleted it). It looked like everything had calmed down, with one chunk of information (the one on which I had opined) out and the other in, but then Prosfilaes (talk · contribs) — the one who was adding the information in dispute — revered again today. Would you consider reverting the todays's edits, fully protecting the page for a week, and issuing such warnings as you may see fit? I'll watch this page for your response? — TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 01:17, 2 April 2010 (UTC) PS: If you'll check their block logs, neither of these users is unfamiliar with edit warring. — TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 01:22, 2 April 2010 (UTC) (Minor correction 01:28, 2 April 2010 (UTC) - TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK))

I've protected the page and will take a close look. --RegentsPark (talk) 02:25, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, Regents, looking forward to seeing what you think. — TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 02:34, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
While we're on the discussion of the wrong version, may I point out that part of the conto

Wizards (film)

The editor Prosfilaes is clearly trying to push his own POV on the article Wizards (film). He removed sourced content and added the opinion of an author whose opinion was already determined to not be notable, and is, in fact, overtly negative and not in any way objectionable (comparing the film itself to "the Nazi propaganda mill"). Your decision to protect the page rather than reverting Prosfilaes' vandalism is absurdly misguided. (Sugar Bear (talk) 20:10, 2 April 2010 (UTC))

It's only for a couple of days. We'll figure out what is right. --RegentsPark (talk) 20:56, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
Thanks again for your help. — TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 01:37, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
While we're on the discussion of the wrong version, may I point out that the sourced material that he's complaining about me removing is "Critics loved the movie" (cite: the filmmaker, http://somepage that doesn't even say anything about the subject.)--Prosfilaes (talk) 04:43, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

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Wendy Doniger

If you are around can you take a look at the recent edit-warring at the article, and see if warnings/blocks/protection are warranted ? Although I am not a regular editor of the article, I have commented on its content and am probably "involved" at this stage (despite my disinterest in the subject!). Abecedare (talk) 18:42, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

I'll take a look. --RegentsPark (talk) 18:56, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. It would help if you/SpacemanSpiff/YellowMonkey watchlisted the page, which is often a scene of edit-warring and pretty toxic talk page conduct. Abecedare (talk) 19:19, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
It also features editors having their friends block editors for being on the wrong side of a conflict. Lovely stuff. — goethean ॐ 03:43, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

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Okip

I think you should post a note on Okip's talk page that he has been unblocked. He may not be aware of it. I would, but there's enough reasons for me not to. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 04:34, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

done. thx. --RegentsPark (talk) 13:09, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

United States and State Terrorism

I tried to point this out earlier (though not quite so well-worded) and found it to be nothing but banging my head against a brick wall. You might find it easier just to give it up and let NYCJosh and Jrtayloriv have the page and keep it tagged, as they will never allow changes to be made. Soxwon (talk) 13:56, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Let's see what happens. I have some faith in the overall ability of wikipedia to correct itself (when enough generalist editors weigh in) but it does take time. --RegentsPark (talk) 16:37, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you!

Re . Piano non troppo (talk) 23:32, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

je vous en prie--RegentsPark (talk) 00:42, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

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Cantonese (Yue)

Kwamikagami (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA), has been attempting to rename a series of three articles against since December 2008, and has not succeeded in convincing the community. He took it upon himself just a few minutes ago to once again move the article to Yue Chinese, effectively reversing the move that you made earlier today in line with the talk page consensus - he ironically argues that the move is consensus driven. I believe that he has been acting in violation of WP:UNINVOLVED, and would ask you to please undo his move and to protect it from further moves until clear consensus has been demonstrated. Ohconfucius 06:48, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi Regents,

I was rather puzzled by your move without any discussion or explanation. There have been months of discussion, and a Request for Move which was closed with a decision here to move to Yue Chinese by User:Angr, one of two long-standing uninvolved admins at Wikiproject Language. However, a few editors such as Ohconfucius flatly refuse to accept the change. (Angr gives his reasons there, and defends them on his talk page.) Anyway, the path to renaming the article, if they wish, should follow the normal path of discussion and consensus, and there has been no discussion recently. kwami (talk) 07:00, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

  • I don't think RegentsPark would have moved it if xhe hadn't seen evidence that the previous move was improperly established, so don't try to patronise him/her. Unfortunately, this little game Kwami's playing has been going on for a year and a half. Kwami has this misguided agenda, and has failed to achieve consensus on the page moves. His previous page reshuffles have left users totally perplexed as to what the articles are now supposed to be about - and if you can figure out, then you are a better man than I am. Ohconfucius 07:21, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
If Regents had seen that and judged that it was improper, that's a different matter, but the only evidence is one brief comment, which gives no indication of that. I hadn't even seen that comment, or the closed move request, when I reverted the page move, as that discussion had petered out two weeks ago and I had only checked recent threads to see if there had been discussion on the move. Anyway, with two adamantly opposed camps who've failed to come to terms over years, a suggestion to work it out ourselves is not helpful. The only viable approach is to weigh the competing arguments, which is what Angr did. kwami (talk) 07:49, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Regents, since I didn't see that you had closed the old RfM, and can't really tell whether you have problems with Angr's closure of the previous RfM or not, I've put the page back until you have a chance to get back to me. kwami (talk) 08:23, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Kwami, I'll get back to you later today (busy morning!). Thanks for undoing the move in the meantime. --RegentsPark (talk) 10:36, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Note: Responded on article talk page. --RegentsPark (talk) 15:35, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Actually, everyone's had their say for months now. Have you read the archives? This was not a sudden move. It's been advertised all over the place. Nothing new was being said; it was the same stuff rehashed over and over. Also, there was no consensus to revert; it was only that the 4 or 5 editors who lost out made a big fuss. I didn't think "squeaky wheel" was a reason for decisions. The current name is factually inaccurate: there is no non-Yue Cantonese, and the article at Cantonese is also Yue, so it does not work even as an erroneous dab. Anyway, what would you suggest is the proper way to do this? Relist as a move request and leave it X days? kwami (talk) 19:37, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Personally, I think that would be the best way. I did scan the discussion and, admittedly this is a naive view, I think there are pertinent points in favor of either name. A properly conducted RM should resolve the issue one way or another. I'm willing to add a comment summarizing the two previous RMs (as a neutral observer) if that helps. And, of course, I won't close subsequent moves! --RegentsPark (talk) 19:41, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
That's going to be hard, because some of us have been trying to bring some sanity for this for years, and are burned out. Many of the supporters of the ISO and per-MOS name are hard to motivate anymore; what we have left is a group of Cantonese editors who want a walled garden, who have actually said that only Cantonese get to decide what English speakers should call their language. There are Cantonese editors on both sides, but the revert crowd is all Cantonese, or maybe all but one, which would be unexpected if the argument were based on anything substantial. It's more like the debate on what to call Macedonia. Nationalist/zealot movements generally have more staying power than editors who simply want a neutral, well-formed encyclopedia, so what do we do when the nationalists raise a cry of persecution any time a reasonable decision is made that doesn't go their way? Do we just let it go on until no-one else cares any more? If we can't get previous editors to restate their opinions, does the more vocal side win merely by being more vocal? kwami (talk) 19:37, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Why don't you just go down the RfC route. That usually does produce a logical result. --RegentsPark (talk) 20:11, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
We've had several of those, but I'll try again.
BTW, the argument that "not enough time" has been allowed for discussion has been made for five months now. And that was after many months of debate already! I really have a hard time understanding how this isn't enough. kwami (talk) 20:43, 23 April 2010 (UTC):::
The point of a formal RM is that you get outside eyes on the issue (otherwise the issue can be decided by the talk page regulars). One day is not enough for that. --RegentsPark (talk) 21:36, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps we should ask Angr to wait an appropriate amount of time, and then to decide whether any new arguments have been brought to bear that affect the situation? What would be an appropriate length of time? The request just prior to the move request was open for over a month. First the opposition said to leave it open for a week, after they said another month, and after that they said another three months! kwami (talk) 22:26, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
I don't have a strong opinion either way on that. I'm beginning to have an opinion on the title (!) but don't want to muddy the waters. --RegentsPark (talk) 11:28, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Angr says he's sick of the whole thing and suggests leaving it to you. Can I trust that if the RfC doesn't result in any new outside ideas, but only a rehashing of the old arguments, you will move the article back per Angr's decision? I'm curious as to what your opinion is, but if you start expressing a POV, there will be howls of protest that you're not neutral. kwami (talk) 22:27, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
That's fine. Let's set up the RfC with the two alternative titles and a comment section and let people explain their reasons in either section. I think I can figure out what is reasonable from all that. --RegentsPark (talk) 22:39, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
The RfC is already set up. There aren't just two possibilities. If it were only that, it would be easy, as the decision that "Cantonese (Yue)" is inappropriate has already been made by Angr. He would have gone with any of several possible names, though, and "Yue Chinese" wouldn't have been his first choice. We have one newbie so far at the RfC, though he hasn't suggested a concrete proposal apart from the long-dismissed "Cantonese (linguistics)". kwami (talk) 22:48, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

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Barbados

Sorry, bad phrasing. I completely accept that the cuisine and food of a nation are of paramount importance to a country and its people. My question was "How is Banks beer cultural important to Barbados?". I'm not from the country, so I felt it should be explained as for all I know it was created in Poland and now brewed in Iran. Rather than Banks Beer at sunset, which sounds like an advertisment, It should say something on the lines of "Banks Beer has been brewed in Barbados since 1923 and is the best selling beverage on the island." then it is relevent to the article. FruitMonkey (talk) 08:05, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

OK. No worries. (I'm just particularly fond of that photo!) I'll try rephrasing it. --RegentsPark (talk) 16:05, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Echo

En mi opinión, el artículo hablaba más del Municipio (Valle de Echo) que de la localidad (Echo), por eso he trasladado. Más tarde quería mejorar el artículo del municipio con algún dato más. CHV (O mío Buzón de Correus) 19:54, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

In my opinion, the article told Municipaliry (Valle de Echo) that over the town (Echo), so I moved. Later I wanted to improve the Municipality's article. CHV (O mío Buzón de Correus) 19:56, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
OK. That makes sense. Thanks! --RegentsPark (talk) 20:14, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

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Talk:Whanganui

You appear to have forgotten to sign the close of the move discussion. You probably should do that. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:40, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Done. Thanks. --RegentsPark (talk) 03:18, 30 April 2010 (UTC)