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A question: Is an online blurb from an online "magazine" that has it's acknowledged source as a chat/egroup a reliable source of information? Should information there be considered authoritative? Posting his cause of death has nothing to do with who he was, what he did, or why he's included in Wiki. I have always been creeped out by the inclusion of cause of death, considering it an infringement of his privacy since it has nothing to do with his notability. Must we include this added bit? Is it important?Lulubyrd (talk) 00:54, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Vodou link

The link does not go to an article; it goes to a disambiguation page. Ambiguous links should be directed to the correct article, which I thought I had done by correcting it to Petwo (also spelled Petro), which defines one of two contrasting and often-paired Haitian Vodou sects (Rada and Petro). But you seemed to think that that was wrong. So I tried to prod you into supplying a useful link instead of mindlessly reverting to an unhelpful ambiguous link. Where would you like it to go? Haitian vodou#Loa? Or have you reconsidered Petwo, which would be more accurate, especially if the article were expanded? In any case the link should be changed to direct to a relevant article, or removed.--ShelfSkewed Talk 18:00, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

00:15, 28 March 2009 (UTC)00:15, 28 March 2009 (UTC)00:15, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Why do you think Petwo is the correct direction? What is mindless about being directed to a disambiguation page? Why do you think it's all right for you to call me mindless? You need a lesson in manners as well as what influenced Chumbley. It is apparent that you know little about Chumbley or his influences, but instead are making changes based upon your need to be an expert on Vodou. Go talk to Schulke; after all it's in reference to his comment. Or perhaps you should talk to Frizvold. He'll know. Lulubyrd (talk) 00:15, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Directing a link to a disambiguation page is rarely helpful, and I don't see how it is in this case. The quote refers to "Petro Voodoo", but neither the quote nor the Chumbley article in general offers enough context to tell people what that is, and, should a reader follow the link, the dab page offers no guidance either. I'm not an expert on voodoo, and I'm not trying to pretend that I am; I was simply trying, by disambiguating the link, to send users to an article that might give them some useful information about what Petro Voodoo is. (And then, by removing the link, trying to remove the false promise that the link would offer something useful.) Perhaps you could help me understand by explaining what your reason is for insisting on a link to a dab page. How does that help a reader understand Chumbley or his beliefs and influences?--ShelfSkewed Talk 03:24, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Rewrite First Paragraph Sept. 2010

Hi Midnightblueowl: Some comments regarding your edit:

You wrote: "Andrew D. Chumbley' (September 15, 1967 – September 15, 2004) was an English occultist, ceremonial magician, writer and artist. He developed his own form of contemporary witchcraft which became known as Sabbatic Witchcraft and in 1991 founded a closed circle of initiates, the Cultus Sabbati, of which he acted as Magister. He helped to propagate his tradition through a series of grimoires that he wrote and published throughout the 1990s and early 2000s, most notably Azoëtia, Qutub and One, and helped to found two publishing companies, Xoanon and Three Hands Press, through which to release high quality publications on magic and witchcraft. "

You removed a reference. Why? That reference is there for a reason. Please read old material in archived discussion for the reason the reference is there. What makes the term "English people" appropriate? Where are your references for "occultist, and ceremonial magician"? Where are you getting your reference for the use of the term witchcraft as in "contemporary witchcraft" and "Sabbatic witchcraft"? Please give a solid reference where Chumbley referred to what he did as witchcraft in combination with Sabbatic. The Cultus Sabbati info is already in the article. Regarding how he "helped to propagate his tradition", please note your specific reference that he propagated his tradition so I may look it up. This sounds a bit like an interpretation. The rest of your edit is already in the article. New material that is thoroughly documented would be great here, but what you placed in the article looks like hearsay and much is already there. If you want to rewrite any parts of the article, please adhere to encyclopedic style and rigour.

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